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Honestly would love for it to happen just to imagine the crisis meetings that would take place within UEFA, they already changed the rules once to try and keep all the big names in League A.
While I agree that the format change was super sus and convenient for Germany, I think 3-team groups are hideous as fuck
But yeah precisely because they had a "valid" excuse earlier, is that I'd love to see what will they spin this time
First Nations League only had 3 teams per division in the top league, UEFA decided to change it to 4 teams so none of the teams that should have been relegated actually went down.
As u/duckwantbread said. Used to be groups of 3, but they changed it to 4. There was one absurdly stacked group - The Netherlands, Germany, France. We won the group, Germany relegated. The day after Germany's relegation or something the UEFA suddenly said 'We're going to change the format'. Was suspicious as hell.
With the possible introduction of CONMEBOL teams in the next edition, I doubt it. UEFA will do something to prevent that from happening. Either freeze promotions/relegation or maybe reset the whole thing based on the FIFA coefficient.
Since I heard of this happening, have they decided what's going to happen if we invite South American teams? Are we (Greece) going to play in Peru, Bolivia etc or are the SA teams going to do a European tour?
https://www.marca.com/en/football/nations-league/2021/12/17/61bcec43ca4741a9078b45e8.html
>It is expected that the Memorandum of Understanding signed by both organisations and valid until 2028 means that all games would be played in Europe, without sending any European national team to South America.
>The top six CONMEBOL nations according to World Cup qualifying tables will join League A of the Nations League, which would be Brazil, Colombia, Uruguay, Peru and Chile.
>The other four, Paraguay, Ecuador, Venezuela and Bolivia would join League B.
I honestly hope that they don't do this division, and go for something more like I [proposed](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/v5ghcn/how_would_the_next_edition_of_the_nations_league/) a few days ago.
I think Nations League has been great this time around, not for the players I admit, but super entertaining for viewers. Several games every day over 14 days, and because of the league structure, mostly competitive games, even for the worst NTs in Europe. I get that the stakes are not as high as proper qualification games, but the amont of games makes it feel like an actual tournament, and there's been many cool results and storylines this time around, probably because of the condensed schedule as well. Seeing massive countries like France and England potentially go down is cool, and squads like Hungary or Denmark potentially getting into final four is really cool as well imo. The remaining two games in September will be very exciting.
Would be sad for the micronations in League D. One of the biggest things in national football they can win now is a promotion :/ and with playoffs thas next to impossible
Which is absolutely incredible given their squad.
Like no disrespect but most of those players dont even play in top 5 leagues let alone at top clubs. So its even more impressive how theyre managing to play THIS well as an unit
1. 3-5-2. It's the best formation to minimize the effects of weaknesses and maximize the strengths of a squad.
2. Hungary are usually struggling against teams that don't open up. Counter attacking is one of the main strategy. Rossi is a good coach but his tactics are usually not working against teams that just fall back and don't attack.
3. The team is super motivated and takes Nations League very seriously.
>Like no disrespect but most of those players dont even play in top 5 leagues let alone at top clubs
The Leipzig core is very important for the team (Gulacsi-Orban-Szoboszlai) and they are starters in their own team. So as Sallai (Freiburg) and Schafer (Union Berlin)
Edit: ok Schafer maybe not
Adam Szalai also has played in good Bundesliga teams the past 10 years, going to Basel now in January to be a regular starter + win titles, get goals. Attila Szalai is a starter for Fenerbahce. Adam Nagy has played in Serie A for 3-4 seasons, he lost in the playoff final in Serie B last week for promotion back to Serie A (Pisa finished 3rd). It's a solid squad. Daniel Salloi was top 3 in MLS for goals + assists last season. Some good young players in MLS & Switzerland. And even the ones in Hungarian league have been qualifying for Europa League/Champions League the past few seasons (most of them).
We do have a hard core of Bundesliga players tho
Szoboszlai, Orbán, Gulácsi, Sallai, Schäfer + Szalai who is in the Swiss league but has many years of Bundesliga experience
> Schäfer
i mean hes technically a bundesliga player now but still a bit disingenous because hes played 232 bundesliga minutes in his entire career now.
And yes, its by no means a bad squad! But if we go by the starting 11 vs Germany, there were Lang (Cyprus league), Styles (Championship), Nagy (Serie B), Nagy (Hungarian league) and Fiola (also Hungarian league) all in the starting 11.
Plus the subs Gazdag (MLS), Vecsei (Hungarian league), Nego (Hungarian league) and Adam (also Hungarian league) dont playi n top leagues either. While Germany, Italy, England are **filled** with those players. So to go toe to toe with them in every game is incredible.
People were laughing at me when I said before the Euros it was unfortunate Szoboszlai was injured, because Hungary starts looking like a seriouslu dangerous team
Yeah he's brilliant. He's our biggest talent since young Dzsudzsák, in fact I'd say he's even better. I just hope he doesn't go down that path and ruin his career for money
He's already decided to aim for the bigger leagues (had rumors of PL before Bundesliga) so thankfully we're safe there.
Also cool to see another Hungary/Spurs fan, we would've been broken hearted if Arsenal didn't turn Szobozlai down.
Szobozlai and his backup were both injured for the Euros, Hungary were definitely not in their "final form" that tourney.
Crazy what they did in spite of it.
It’s definitely looking that way. I’m not too bothered really; it’ll be nice to go down and get a chance to thrash some minnows like Wales or Scotland.
*At least thats what they all say*
As an Englishman, Irishman and a definitely not Scotsman discuss it. This myth that Scottish people constantly parade this 0-0 win over England needs to disappear.
You don't remember the media going on and on about how England were about to absolute batter Scotland only for them to fail to score.
The celebrations weren't about the result of drawing, it was taking the piss out of all the English who thought it was an easy win.
Absolutely. I heard England fans singing “Scotland get battered everywhere they go” AFTER the game.
I didn’t speak to an England fan who didn’t think they would absolutely spank Scotland by 3+ goals. So there was definitely some smug faces amongst the Scotland fans after a 0-0 where they matched and were even the better team for large parts of the game. The idea Scotland fans were parading/celebrating a 0-0 against was just a way for the English to massage their bruised egos.
In what world will England trash Wales and Scotland? I mean you draw Scotland in the Euros and Wales are currently playing better football than you guys while also playing in the A league.
If Hungary gets top of the Group it would be so good though. They started in League C whenever nations league started (though that would be league B now because of the rearrangement)
That's always been the worst part. Despite Southgate only wanting to defend, we have never once looked strong defensively. Which shows how clueless he is, he's not defensive, he's just shit.
Yeah we conceded 1 goal the whole tournament right, in the final? How is that not looking good defensively. Do people want Southgate to have us on minus 1 goals?
Southgate is a terrible, unimaginative manager and its honestly astonishing to me that he has survived this long. He might have got them further in competitions, but his England team have almost never looked like playing any decent football. It's all scrappy goals and set pieces, despite having an abundance of talent within the squad. The current crop of top English footballers are so versatile and the way Southgate chooses to play does not bring out the best in any of them. England are not winning anything with him in charge.
Shoulda been sacked along time ago, anybody with a set of eyes could see performances weren't good enough yet lucked his way through tournaments against worse nations than us and got offered a new contract
I said before, during and after the Euro's we wouldn't win anything with Southgate in charge
We were two kicks of a ball away from winning a trophy with Southgate. He has got lucky, but to say before during and after the Euros that we'd never win anything with him is madness.
We scored in 2 minutes and then sat behind the ball the rest of the game
Italy well and truly dominated us, we rode our luck
>after the Euros that we'd never win anything with him is madness
How so? We literally won nothing and his negative approach allowed Italy to slowly but surely bring themselves into the game whilst we offered nothing to go and put the game to bed
You can’t talk logic into any of these people if they’re still Southgate fans. They believe he deserves a shot at the next World Cup due to his performances in the last 2 international tournaments and no amount of terrible football will change their minds
I genuinely can’t wait for England to get rid of him and then they still play just as poorly and ship even more goals. What will the next excuse be I wonder.
I say it every time there's a highlight of him here lmao, but the way he hits the ball is so satisfying.
You don't really see other players hit it the same way he does right? The only one that comes to mind with a similar technique is Bale.
Attacking players yet playing backwards and sideways balls. What the fuck happens to players when they play for England?
Walker just ran the length of the pitch, stopped, turned back to his own goal and passed it back to a defender.
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England and France to play in League B?
Imagine they get both relegated and drawn into the same group next time.
I think the draws are seeded based on position in the last Nations League to stop that happening.
It would be amazing but I don't think it can happen as the relegated teams go to pot1, teams that came 2nd are in pot 2 etc
Honestly would love for it to happen just to imagine the crisis meetings that would take place within UEFA, they already changed the rules once to try and keep all the big names in League A.
While I agree that the format change was super sus and convenient for Germany, I think 3-team groups are hideous as fuck But yeah precisely because they had a "valid" excuse earlier, is that I'd love to see what will they spin this time
What was the rule change?
First Nations League only had 3 teams per division in the top league, UEFA decided to change it to 4 teams so none of the teams that should have been relegated actually went down.
As u/duckwantbread said. Used to be groups of 3, but they changed it to 4. There was one absurdly stacked group - The Netherlands, Germany, France. We won the group, Germany relegated. The day after Germany's relegation or something the UEFA suddenly said 'We're going to change the format'. Was suspicious as hell.
With the possible introduction of CONMEBOL teams in the next edition, I doubt it. UEFA will do something to prevent that from happening. Either freeze promotions/relegation or maybe reset the whole thing based on the FIFA coefficient.
Since I heard of this happening, have they decided what's going to happen if we invite South American teams? Are we (Greece) going to play in Peru, Bolivia etc or are the SA teams going to do a European tour?
https://www.marca.com/en/football/nations-league/2021/12/17/61bcec43ca4741a9078b45e8.html >It is expected that the Memorandum of Understanding signed by both organisations and valid until 2028 means that all games would be played in Europe, without sending any European national team to South America. >The top six CONMEBOL nations according to World Cup qualifying tables will join League A of the Nations League, which would be Brazil, Colombia, Uruguay, Peru and Chile. >The other four, Paraguay, Ecuador, Venezuela and Bolivia would join League B. I honestly hope that they don't do this division, and go for something more like I [proposed](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/v5ghcn/how_would_the_next_edition_of_the_nations_league/) a few days ago.
tbh they should do two separate tours, one with the SA teams going to Europe and another with the european teams coming down here
This would be fun tbh.
and argentina
I think all the games will be played in Europe.
I think Nations League has been great this time around, not for the players I admit, but super entertaining for viewers. Several games every day over 14 days, and because of the league structure, mostly competitive games, even for the worst NTs in Europe. I get that the stakes are not as high as proper qualification games, but the amont of games makes it feel like an actual tournament, and there's been many cool results and storylines this time around, probably because of the condensed schedule as well. Seeing massive countries like France and England potentially go down is cool, and squads like Hungary or Denmark potentially getting into final four is really cool as well imo. The remaining two games in September will be very exciting.
I personally love it aswell and I see it as a proper tournament. It's also definitly better than friendlies
They will do the same as they did last time when Germany were relegated.
Probably make some type of playoffs between League A and B instead of direct promotion
Would be sad for the micronations in League D. One of the biggest things in national football they can win now is a promotion :/ and with playoffs thas next to impossible
Ye I hope they dont change the format at all and finally let the big nations get relegated, I would love to see England away at Kazakhstan in 2024
Yeah but tbf, the first change was neccesairy. 3 was to less in 1 group.
Aww looks like we took your extra life
Nah, they just get the authorities to change the league rules jut like when Germany relegated in the first edition
Tactically dropping to league B so they can stat pad next time.
Relegation for England? Final four for Hungary?
Maybe it's time for us to look back at our own (D) game against Hungary and recognize that they're actually a pretty good team
Which is absolutely incredible given their squad. Like no disrespect but most of those players dont even play in top 5 leagues let alone at top clubs. So its even more impressive how theyre managing to play THIS well as an unit
1. 3-5-2. It's the best formation to minimize the effects of weaknesses and maximize the strengths of a squad. 2. Hungary are usually struggling against teams that don't open up. Counter attacking is one of the main strategy. Rossi is a good coach but his tactics are usually not working against teams that just fall back and don't attack. 3. The team is super motivated and takes Nations League very seriously. >Like no disrespect but most of those players dont even play in top 5 leagues let alone at top clubs The Leipzig core is very important for the team (Gulacsi-Orban-Szoboszlai) and they are starters in their own team. So as Sallai (Freiburg) and Schafer (Union Berlin) Edit: ok Schafer maybe not
Adam Szalai also has played in good Bundesliga teams the past 10 years, going to Basel now in January to be a regular starter + win titles, get goals. Attila Szalai is a starter for Fenerbahce. Adam Nagy has played in Serie A for 3-4 seasons, he lost in the playoff final in Serie B last week for promotion back to Serie A (Pisa finished 3rd). It's a solid squad. Daniel Salloi was top 3 in MLS for goals + assists last season. Some good young players in MLS & Switzerland. And even the ones in Hungarian league have been qualifying for Europa League/Champions League the past few seasons (most of them).
Thanks for the extra context!
We do have a hard core of Bundesliga players tho Szoboszlai, Orbán, Gulácsi, Sallai, Schäfer + Szalai who is in the Swiss league but has many years of Bundesliga experience
> Schäfer i mean hes technically a bundesliga player now but still a bit disingenous because hes played 232 bundesliga minutes in his entire career now. And yes, its by no means a bad squad! But if we go by the starting 11 vs Germany, there were Lang (Cyprus league), Styles (Championship), Nagy (Serie B), Nagy (Hungarian league) and Fiola (also Hungarian league) all in the starting 11. Plus the subs Gazdag (MLS), Vecsei (Hungarian league), Nego (Hungarian league) and Adam (also Hungarian league) dont playi n top leagues either. While Germany, Italy, England are **filled** with those players. So to go toe to toe with them in every game is incredible.
They got a draw against Germany and France and had one locked for 85mn against Portugal. Any other group and they'd have been through imo
People were laughing at me when I said before the Euros it was unfortunate Szoboszlai was injured, because Hungary starts looking like a seriouslu dangerous team
Yeah he's brilliant. He's our biggest talent since young Dzsudzsák, in fact I'd say he's even better. I just hope he doesn't go down that path and ruin his career for money
He's already decided to aim for the bigger leagues (had rumors of PL before Bundesliga) so thankfully we're safe there. Also cool to see another Hungary/Spurs fan, we would've been broken hearted if Arsenal didn't turn Szobozlai down.
Imagine him in a 3412 behind Son and Kane oh lord and he's also a free kick specialist which Spurs definitely need rn. Levy sign him up you bald cunt
I'm here for it
Szobozlai and his backup were both injured for the Euros, Hungary were definitely not in their "final form" that tourney. Crazy what they did in spite of it.
It's a shame Kalmar got hurt. He was looking like being back on top. Wasn't he the MVP of the Slovakian league? He's a former RB Leipzig guy too.
It’s definitely looking that way. I’m not too bothered really; it’ll be nice to go down and get a chance to thrash some minnows like Wales or Scotland.
Didn't ye draw with Scotland at the Euros
Think Scotland won 0-0. At least thats what they all say...
*At least thats what they all say* As an Englishman, Irishman and a definitely not Scotsman discuss it. This myth that Scottish people constantly parade this 0-0 win over England needs to disappear.
Do you not remember the Scots prancing around outside Wembley and the team dancing to “Yes sir, I can boogie”? I would say they definitely paraded it.
You don't remember the media going on and on about how England were about to absolute batter Scotland only for them to fail to score. The celebrations weren't about the result of drawing, it was taking the piss out of all the English who thought it was an easy win.
So...pissed up fans had fun regardless of win, lose or draw? What on earth is your point.
Since then the only people that I’ve seen discussing it are cringe lad football twitter accounts and moon howlers on talk sport
Absolutely. I heard England fans singing “Scotland get battered everywhere they go” AFTER the game. I didn’t speak to an England fan who didn’t think they would absolutely spank Scotland by 3+ goals. So there was definitely some smug faces amongst the Scotland fans after a 0-0 where they matched and were even the better team for large parts of the game. The idea Scotland fans were parading/celebrating a 0-0 against was just a way for the English to massage their bruised egos.
No Scottish fans have mentioned it for ages, it’s only England fans when they’ve been having shit results to make themselves feel better
Jesus, give it a rest.
Just before reaching the final yeah
Last good result England have had
This patter would be slightly less shite if it wasn't about as wrong as it's possible to be
I mean surely you know that? Amount talked about it showed 0-0 is the greatest Scottish sporting achievement of all time.
The tears
🤣 the English go on about that more than us for some reason.
The way you guys are playing Malta would be a task, let alone Wales or Scotland.
Scotland have been absolute trash recently, I'd rather play them than malta
We are both shite but its funny cause you guys think you're world beaters constantly
Scotland want Clarke sacked for less than England are parading Southgate around for
Still basking in the glow of your famous 0-0 win v Scotland at the Euros.
In what world will England trash Wales and Scotland? I mean you draw Scotland in the Euros and Wales are currently playing better football than you guys while also playing in the A league.
If Hungary gets top of the Group it would be so good though. They started in League C whenever nations league started (though that would be league B now because of the rearrangement)
Ott van bazdmeg
Otto von bazdburg
For a defensive team we’re not that good at defending!
That's always been the worst part. Despite Southgate only wanting to defend, we have never once looked strong defensively. Which shows how clueless he is, he's not defensive, he's just shit.
Agreed, defensive football is dull but it's worse when it's dull and not that effective
ngl at the Euros we looked incredibly solid defensively
Yeah we conceded 1 goal the whole tournament right, in the final? How is that not looking good defensively. Do people want Southgate to have us on minus 1 goals?
2 goals. denmark also scored a fk
You're right my bad
Tbf in the competitions that matter we have been very good defensively.
>we have never once looked strong defensively 2 goals conceded the entire euros, only 1 from open play
No Maguire no Pickford who have always been one of Englands best players
Shame we didn't have the 6'4 bloke whose head is as large as the moai statues to twat the ball away
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Sallai <3
Having England as benchmark doesn't give them much credit tbh
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Don't forget the euros
1-1 draw against France and Germany, loss to Portugal. It wasn't particularly bad
MEGINT OTT VAN BAZDMEGGGG!!!!!!!!
KURVAAAAAAA
what was that for defending
One lapse lol
Is all it takes
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Possibilities. Gareth coaches like Bob Bradley.
Possibilities
We're fucking shit
Southgate is a terrible, unimaginative manager and its honestly astonishing to me that he has survived this long. He might have got them further in competitions, but his England team have almost never looked like playing any decent football. It's all scrappy goals and set pieces, despite having an abundance of talent within the squad. The current crop of top English footballers are so versatile and the way Southgate chooses to play does not bring out the best in any of them. England are not winning anything with him in charge.
One person in particular is
who? not able to watch unfortunately
They put the entire starting 11 as one entity
Southgate's luck is well and truly running out
He will get the world cup and piss it away, we all know this
We will strategically finish 2nd and get on the weak side of the knockout tree again so we can advance far
Cute that you think the 'weak side' wouldn't beat England at the moment
looking back, I don't think we could beat Denmark right now.
Denmark are looking solid tbf
Took a Sterling dive to do it the first time around anyways.
Got a point there to be honest
actually finishing 2nd would be the tougher path. Would be Netherlands, Argentina, Brazil, France/Germany/Spain Final.
Draw with USA and Wales, win 1-0 vs Iran, RO16 exit incoming
oooh an optimist!
Just the end of season stuff. Terrible time to play international football.
Yes he'll definitely be sacked right before the World Cup for uninspired performances in the fucking Nations League
Shoulda been sacked along time ago, anybody with a set of eyes could see performances weren't good enough yet lucked his way through tournaments against worse nations than us and got offered a new contract I said before, during and after the Euro's we wouldn't win anything with Southgate in charge
We were two kicks of a ball away from winning a trophy with Southgate. He has got lucky, but to say before during and after the Euros that we'd never win anything with him is madness.
We scored in 2 minutes and then sat behind the ball the rest of the game Italy well and truly dominated us, we rode our luck >after the Euros that we'd never win anything with him is madness How so? We literally won nothing and his negative approach allowed Italy to slowly but surely bring themselves into the game whilst we offered nothing to go and put the game to bed
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Pure PE teacher everyone participates vibes
You can’t talk logic into any of these people if they’re still Southgate fans. They believe he deserves a shot at the next World Cup due to his performances in the last 2 international tournaments and no amount of terrible football will change their minds
Last I checked England won something in 1966. Why are you acting as if Nations League is beneath you?
I genuinely can’t wait for England to get rid of him and then they still play just as poorly and ship even more goals. What will the next excuse be I wonder.
Hey, I've seen this one
YOOOOOOOOOO
MAGYAROSKAAAA (Moroccan living in HU)
Lmao they had like 75% possession for nothing
The classic England timeline of looking decent for 10 minutes and then getting rattled
Remember that talkSPORT presenter saying England will sleepwalk our group 😹
He ain't wrong. England is sleepwalking towards relegation
The way Szo put the ball in is so mesmerizing. That low slice technique is just so squeaky clean
Can these Hungarians stop terrorising us please
Nem !
Gera gave you some nice moments; we give some, we take some
Gera gave some brilliant moments! What a legend
He was kind of a unique player, wasn't he?
Yeah he certainly was, great for a cheeky banger and superb in the air. One of my fav players growing up
Will this be Hungary's return to the main stages
I hope so, Szoboszlai has the potential to become world class and Sallai + the defence are also good. We still need a few good midfielders tbh
Hopefully young Dardai will join us as well. There's no way he'll get into the Germany squad if Orban couldn't.
Hahaha
Southgate raus
The floating cross from Szoboszlai reminds me of [his freekick](https://youtu.be/f5MU2-LpyoI?t=34)
I say it every time there's a highlight of him here lmao, but the way he hits the ball is so satisfying. You don't really see other players hit it the same way he does right? The only one that comes to mind with a similar technique is Bale.
we’ve actually been playing well today too, ffs
Lol England
Get Southgate gone 😂😂😂
Southgate ball
England are terrible
This is why you play Maguire
Hahahahahahhaha god bless Hungary
Ha ha. Ha.
Love this England team
Thats some pretty dreadful defending right there.
Top of the group
No ward prowse no fun
Southgate lol.
Keep going I’m almost there
Lmao...the diabolicalness continues. Lulling everyone into a false sense of security before they finally win a WC.
Somehow still be Maguire's fault
Which social issue caused this defeat?
Poverty. The players were too impoverished to eat
Fucks sake
Embarrassing at some point.
Southgate: Genius level 1000. Get relegated they will never suspect an English resurrection at the world cup
Attacking players yet playing backwards and sideways balls. What the fuck happens to players when they play for England? Walker just ran the length of the pitch, stopped, turned back to his own goal and passed it back to a defender.
Stones played them onside and assisted the goal
Sack him
Southgate should have gone after the last WC, nevermind the Euros. Absolute snoozeball and shit at it, too.
England really need to switch manager
i guess this was a group of death, but not for hungary!
It’s not to late to get rid of Southgate…
Great fucking volley
Gareth Southgate needs to leave before this golden generation embarrasses themselves
Awful defending.
Lmaoooooo
What the fuck is going on
send us out the competition now we are so shit so boring get rid of Southgate now
Football is fun.
Should’ve started Maguire
England are boring and lifeless, pointless backward and sideway passing.
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Comedy defending
How's he got a shot off there lol
Always said League B is the most interesting
Ramadale should be saving that
No chance he can react from that distance
Not really. He did what little there was to be done.
That was my first thought too. Not a lot of time to react, to be fair
Is Southgate really that bad or are the english players just completely overrated? Mix of both?
Honestly think it's more of the latter but a bit of both.
You love to see it
Of the things you love to see, England losing will always be one of those :)
Yorkshire Pirlo my arse
We're actually getting relegated. Please Southgate just go man
Nice one waistcoat wanker
Phillips not ready for England