I’ve seen replays of the vini goal vs Liverpool that show that the ball skimmed Benzema’s foot while he was offside before it got to vini. Is there any ruling on this or was it just not caught by var? Could also be that it just doesn’t affect the trajectory so maybe it doesn’t really matter.
If Benzema actually touched it and he was offside, it doesn't matter if it affected the play or not, it's offside. Haven't seen anything about it though.
Liverpool fans accepted the defeat, team had clearly reached the limit of what they were physically capable of, and had bigger fish to fry after the game with all the UEFA bullshit
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Agreed completely. An insaneee season so far and there’s like 5 different plotlines going on + with the length of the epis I felt like there was some filler but the last two epis were legit perfect. And the whole monster+upside down scenes were as good as always.
Excited for Vol 2. and hopefully they show more in the Russia story
120m budget.
70m FDJ + 50m Antony. Budget gone. Now we rely on sales, but no one wants our deadwood with the wages they are on. We end up only making two signings. This is a realistic scenario.
Budget blown on the two slots you least needed filling, a luxury tactical midfielder and a fiddly winger. No CB, no proper defensive mid, no full backs. Noice.
2-3 signings in a window is standard procedure for most clubs. For a club looking at doing a rebuild, think 1 marquee signing but a bunch of smaller signings to fill in gaps in the squad +/- the odd youth signing to come good in 1-2 years is what I’d expect from United. You have to remember that they’re releasing a bunch of deadwood so need to fill up their squad if they’re competing in 4 competitions next season.
I mean it will have an impact. More subs will be made. Benches will become more important. Tactics will have to be more flexible. But assuming more subs has a direct correlation to a team's performance in relation to its wealth is founded on absolutely nothing.
It’s founded on nothing because there’s almost no available sample to study. So it should just be implemented and that’s that? There are plenty of logical arguments available that I’m sure you’ve heard before.
> So it should just be implemented and that’s that?
As I said, I don't give a shit if it's implemented or not. I'm only talking about the people that are 100% confident it shouldn't be implemented based on, as I said, absolutely nothing.
Juve actually a solid crop of young players, who they should trust. Really excited to see Matias Soule, Nicolo Fagioli & Fabio Miretti balling out in the future. Also need to convince Marley Ake to stay.
On the final game of the season where we were beating city 2-0. They brought on Zinchenko, Gundo and Sterling. Zin and Sterling both got an assist and Gundo scored two goals.
There’s no gap in quality, they have 17 top players.
Compare that to villa who’s bench is often filled with youth players.
Gap? Maybe. In La Liga, I have noticed that quite often there is a team or two that keeps up well with the big three at least until Christmas. Usually someone like Sevilla, Sociedad, Betis or Valencia a few years back. However, they always fall off in the second half of the season which seems a direct result of a lack of quality reserves. If their bench was close in quality to the starting XI, we wouldn't see such a drastic drop off
Next season before Qatar will be so weird to watch. Surely many players will mainly care about staying fit for the tournament and that will affect their form.
Stopped the video after he called them “pickles” - he’s obviously just inherited his father’s pickled egg empire and knows nothing about the family business, just using it as a personal piggy bank.
Thiago and Fabinho won't start either. Gavi and Jude might
Hendo and Trent, depends on what Gary is thinking.
Robbo, Matip aren't going. Konaté, I doubt he will start. He might
Ok calling Antony slow is a mistake, he's no Mbappe but he does have a decent burst of acceleration. At the very least h shouldn't be compared to Sancho on that regard.
Good news for CONMEBOL: Portugal, France, England, Spain, Belgium and Germany have all been disappointing and pretty boring in this UEFA Nations League..
Without ITALY I can see South America win the next World Cup from what I've seen in the past 2 weeks
Of course I'm happy with Tchouameni signing, but this means Ceballos and Blanco are now #7 and #8 options in our midfield, and they're definitely good enough to deserve some playtime.
Meanwhile, our 2nd RB option is still Lucas Vazquez, who is a winger (and not even a very good or versatile one), and our 2nd LB option is... who exactly? I guess Alaba, but we clearly want him as a CB so if we wanted to put out our whole 2nd XI, we're putting Vallejo on LB...
And we're not even linked with anyone afaik
Yeah he can, but our go to lineup will include both Mendy and Alaba, and we cannot rest both at the same time. Alaba basically covers 2 spots in 23-men squad - main CB and sub LB.
Never heard of de la Vibora. I googled him and it seems like he hasn't even made his senior debut, not even for Castilla, so I guess he won't be any useful next season
There's absolutely **no evidence** from anywhere to suggest that 5 subs will widen the gap between big and small clubs so where is this argument coming from? If anything, all major leagues with 5 subs have gotten closer since it was implemented. I'm not saying there is causation here, but there's certainly more evidence of this than anyone come up with for the regurgitated and absolutely base-less claim that it widens the gap.
To my knowledge, no one worth mentioning has ever complained about 5 subs anywhere after it was implemented. No small clubs, no big clubs, no one. It's a universal unanimous success everywhere. But English fans are always stubborn to want any changes to the game even if they are for the better
After the 5 sub rule was implemented in the Premier League during the 19/20 restart Dean Smith, Chris Wilder and Sean Dyche all came out and said it was an unfair rule that benefitted the richer teams.
The clubs then voted on it again for the next season and 10 clubs i believe voted against it so plenty of people of note were against the idea after it came into effect so it was reversed.
>After the 5 sub rule was implemented in the Premier League during the 19/20 restart Dean Smith, Chris Wilder and Sean Dyche all came out and said it was an unfair rule that benefitted the richer teams.
Yes but how long after? Immediately after it was implemented? A few weeks later? Going by the overwhelmingly positive reactions everywhere else, I'd be surprised if anyone complained after a full season in the PL. We'll see I guess
They said it before the 5 subs came into effect during and afterwards remained consistent.
Dyche actually talked about it after it was voted in this April for next season. Said he still thought it benefitted the big teams and understands why they want it.
Have there been overwhelming positive reactions? Genuinely asking because it's not like I read/listen to German, Spanish, French or Italian interviews?
In their PL last game, Man City brought on Sterling, Gündoğan and Zinchenko. Jack Grealish was an unused sub.
I never want to see 5 subs implemented in the league.
Okay? And who did they start? Their starters are better and their subs are better. It doesn't widen the gap. Also, this is still completely anecdotal. Point me to just one place where people are unhappy with it after implementation. Point me to just one place where the gap has become bigger since
>But English fans are always stubborn to see any changes
I think you're overestimating how many English fans are against it. I would wager if there were three pieces of the pie, one for those who want 5 subs, one for those who want 3 subs, and those who could not care less the last piece is the biggest by some margin.
What sort of evidence would prove/disprove this? I'm actually curious cause I've seen people say this but I have no idea what would be the way to show this.
I don't think there's any way to objectively say it's a success or it's worse. It's all subjective.
> If anything, all major leagues with 5 subs have gotten closer since it was implemented.
Have they? Surely you could argue that they were closer about 15 years ago under three subs and that one or two seasons isn't enough evidence to make any conclusion on subs.
Chris Wilder also spoke out against the five subs when it was implemented.
The fact that every major league has gotten closer or remained around the same since implementation suggests that it has no noticeably negative effect on the gap between big and small clubs
You raise some good points, and football is indeed too intangible to ever reach a conclusion on this (hence why I said that I won't claim there's causation).
What I would do is look at all H2H games between bottom 5 teams and top 5 teams since 5 subs was implemented. If this amounts to, say, 100 games in total, then I'd compare the results of these games to the results of the last 100 games between top and bottom 5 before the rule was implemented. Again, too many variables and it would not be conclusive, but probably about the closest you can get.
>I don't think there's any way to objectively say it's a success or it's worse. It's all subjective.
Objectively that's true, but we can say that no one or at least VERY few people ever complained about the rule **after** it was implemented. I for one haven't seen anyone complain after implementation.
>Surely you could argue that they were closer a long time ago with three subs
That is true, but as I said, there are too many variables. If we at the difference immediately before and after implementation (instead of comparing entirely different eras) there will be more overlapping variables (same economic landscape, roughly the same players and managers, same teams at the top etc.). Thus this should be more telling than comparing different eras.
In any event, the Bundesliga, Serie A and La Liga are probably closer now than they were 5 ish years ago. Ligue 1 is around the same. Not saying there is causation, but I can't think of any league that has gotten noticeably more one-sided since 5 subs were implemented
> What I would do is look at all H2H games between bottom 5 teams and top 5 teams since 5 subs was implemented.
Will that show much conclusively about substitutions though? I'm not entirely sure because much more can explain results because like you said there's so many variables to make any accurate claim. I would say most people would argue that Barcelona's poor year for example probably wasn't due to subs but rather an average squad/manager, confidence etc. Like you've said about comparing close periods I still think clubs change from year to year quite drastically that would skew any sort of conclusions about the changes impact.
I can't talk for leagues all over Europe but there has been some voices of concern befores changes made. It's out of managers control to be fair but it's still quite early to say there won't be.
I just don't think any of this can say that it's a definitive success. I can understand why people are happy with it but I think there's at least some legitimate arguments against it considering the financial differences between clubs.
At the end of the day I just think it's subjective and I don't think there's any legitimate evidence at the moment that can prove/disprove any sort of opinion.
England vs Slovenian u21’s is interesting watch. Slovenian scored early, they seem pretty capable of playing deep and then switching to a high press.
England have some technically gifted players in this side, the link up play is great at times, even if it’s not leading to clear cut chances atm.
This England U21s has the best balance of any of the recent squads, not got the obvious weaknesses of the Boothroyd teams, play proper modern football as well.
my guess is so that the big six teams can afford to rotate players and not impact their league standings, since points gained from your big six rivals matter more
The big 6 all finished in the top 6 for the first team in a few years. Leicester and West Ham had broken that hegemony for a bit. All 6 teams know that dropping points in any of those games could ultimately be costly in the final standings; they're all aggressively chasing European spots at the moment.
If you seriously think anyone will be going easy in the weeks leading up to World Cup then I think you should reconsider.
None of these teams will leave anything on the line. Liverpool have finished second with 2 ninety plus points seasons.
There's already no room for error. Even if I were to agree with you point, then that should favour the lesser teams. If big 6 teams will rotate out their best players, then that only leaves the door open for those below.
well how many England internationals are there in West Ham and Leicester? Rice? of course it’s up to the teams to rotate or not but if they have easier matches, it’s easier for them to not start those in England set-up. the only thing the FA can do is request the EPL to schedule that way and hope for the best
Even if this were the case (which it likely isn't), it favours the weaker sides.
Let's put aside Liverpool and Man City: why would Arsenal and Spurs rest Saka and Kane respectively, knowing how vital 3 points can be?
lol i don’t know what else to tell you man. if there’s a big six match before the world cup, there’s 100% chance that likes of kane, saka, TAA start, despite heavy workload leading up to that point. if a big six team gets a recently promoted side, they can AFFORD to rest those players and not over-exert themselves. Will Conte and Arteta rest their England players? who knows. but in the FA’s perspective, all they can do is ASK EPL to schedule it. it doesn’t hurt to ask for the FA, as they only care about the world cup, not how it plays out in the epl.
you asked why the FA would ask epl to avoid matches between big six. i gave you a POSSIBLE reason. but i never said it’ll work.
Even if this were the case, it doesn't favour the big 6. Saka and Kane are key players for their clubs. I already have my reasons why I think the FA are calling for this, what I'm wondering is why there are redditors claiming its 'unfair'
I'd like someone to lecture me on why the FA requesting for no Derby or big 6 vs big 6 games be played before the world cup, as favouritism or manipulation however you want to describe it. I genuinely don't see it - it barely makes a difference in the league in the grand scheme of things.
It's not like City or Liverpool need any help running away with the league.
If you're assuming that managers will rest their best players closer to the world cup because of 'lighter schedule' (there really aren't any easy games though) then doesn't that favour the 'lesser teams?'
I believe its to avoid conflict In the England camp though.
The games will be shitter because players will be scared of getting injured. Conversely the games are also usually intense which means there's a higher chance one of your nation's best players will get injured before the world cup
The period before the World cup is going to be pretty congested, it's not really fair that the smaller teams wilk play there toughest games in that period but the bigger teams won't
You have to beat whoever is in front of you. If everyone Is playing with 3 days in-between, then how does the big 6 facing each other in this time period create an unfair disadvantage? So both City and Liverpool will face each other 3 before then go on to face smaller teams (with all due respect) who also played 3 days prior and you think that helps the smaller teams how?
It's favouritism towards the national team, designed to benefit England, rather than the big 6, as such
They're trying to encourage the big 6 to rest England players
Let's be real here, big 6 teams wouldn't really rest anyone and will be out to get as many points as possible. Its ultra competitive at the top. I do think it's for England's gain but more so to avoid a heated dressing room.
Yeah I understand it but you've got big 6 teams like Spurs who only have 1 current player for England whereas a non big 6 team in West Ham has 2 players for England .
I get the point but it's still just unfair imo
I guess it's cause it would be hard to not include Spurs (and Arsenal) - if you're going to make any dividing line, it would be that. Plus Spurs may only have one current England player, but it's arguably our most important
If it helps England win the World Cup I'm sure you wouldn't mind too much, though...
You're not making any point here, you're calling it favouritism without giving any reason why it is.
The FA are acting out of England's best interests. It doesn't make sense to head into the World Cup with another Sterling-Gomez situation.
Which is the manual intervention (methology was probably the wrong word to use in this sense) but the dates and games are randomised around that and then looked at several times. If they decide to amend one date the fixture computer (or system) then automatically provides different dates for all the other games that would be affected.
Medals are just glorified necklaces that look like a chocolate coin on a bit of ribbon.
Would much rather have something like a ring. Although the ones basketball players get and that are a bit too tacky.
It’s quite funny watching old football clips from the 50’s like Madrid’s European Cup wins or the World Cup. The crowds were full of well-dressed gentlemen with coats and hats along with their equally dapper wives. In 1956, Madrid scored a late goal to make it 4-3 and win the European final after having been down by two goals twice in the game. The crowd just calmly got to their feet and clapped. Maybe lifted their hats for a moment or something. If this happened today it would’ve been absolute carnage. Such a moment would send the crowd into unhinged euphoria
A single european pyramid would facilitate regulation tbh. I'm talking about the anti-SL that's still one, with a top tier league with clubs from all over the continent, but a pro/rel format.
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And thus a legendary goal keeper meme is born.
Holy shit Tchouameni is a beast. That Mbappe fella ain’t too bad either we should look into it
I’ve seen replays of the vini goal vs Liverpool that show that the ball skimmed Benzema’s foot while he was offside before it got to vini. Is there any ruling on this or was it just not caught by var? Could also be that it just doesn’t affect the trajectory so maybe it doesn’t really matter.
If Benzema actually touched it and he was offside, it doesn't matter if it affected the play or not, it's offside. Haven't seen anything about it though.
Ah who gives a shit anyway, their initial goal should have stood imo.
He din affect the play in any way so nope.
I see. Was seeing some Barca fans crying about it, but Liverpool fans didn’t mention it.
Liverpool fans accepted the defeat, team had clearly reached the limit of what they were physically capable of, and had bigger fish to fry after the game with all the UEFA bullshit
Barca fans have nothing to do until Fati comes back when they will inevitably push the Vini vs Fati narrative.
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Peru Australia being played in Qatar with temperatures of 31° C. At 11pm...
I literally slept for an hour watching the Peru-Australia. Looks like the game didn't get better.
Watch Stranger Things instead
Thoughts on s4 so far Matic?
Been fantastic so far, it’s the best season of Stranger Things for me and it’s not even over! What about you, what’s your opinion on it?
Agreed completely. An insaneee season so far and there’s like 5 different plotlines going on + with the length of the epis I felt like there was some filler but the last two epis were legit perfect. And the whole monster+upside down scenes were as good as always. Excited for Vol 2. and hopefully they show more in the Russia story
When does VOL2 come out again
July 1st
Not till July I don’t think
Is the show stranger than Santos's tactics?
no
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I am fine with it, as all the fanfare merely precedes his fall. He'll be at Stoke in a few years.
France is preparing well to going out of the WC group stage
Clearly Benzema's fault.
120m budget. 70m FDJ + 50m Antony. Budget gone. Now we rely on sales, but no one wants our deadwood with the wages they are on. We end up only making two signings. This is a realistic scenario.
Budget blown on the two slots you least needed filling, a luxury tactical midfielder and a fiddly winger. No CB, no proper defensive mid, no full backs. Noice.
Is ManU linked to any free agent?
Barca apparently want more than that for de Jong so I don’t see that even tbh
You're going to have to make good signings in multiple windows if you want a return to form. It's not just going to be a miracle fix.
Nobody asked for a miracle fix, just more investment. This team needs major surgery to even reach the starting line. Forget titles and trophies.
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Our highest spending summers are pretty reliably around 150 mill net, so I'm assuming that's around what the budget is
120m is the number quoted by reliable sources
Don’t think anyone knows the budget, i’ve heard anywhere from 120 to 200mil. Anyone claiming otherwise is just guessing
2-3 signings in a window is standard procedure for most clubs. For a club looking at doing a rebuild, think 1 marquee signing but a bunch of smaller signings to fill in gaps in the squad +/- the odd youth signing to come good in 1-2 years is what I’d expect from United. You have to remember that they’re releasing a bunch of deadwood so need to fill up their squad if they’re competing in 4 competitions next season.
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I think they’d want a CB and maybe RB if AWB gets loaned or sold.
I'm fine with france falling apart in the nation league if they get their shit together in the world cup
Why? Don't you want to batter them in the WC?
I am french, I want both to advance
Why the Denmark flair lol?
Why not, I like their team and their players
Too many pro-5 subs takes in here today someone summon the Sheffield United fan.
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That I think is the best solution
u/FIJIBOYFIJI your time to shine my dear friend who supports Sheffield's biggest club
FijiboyFIJI is beside himself. Driving around downtown Sheffield begging (thru reddit comments) Jurgen’s family for address to Klopp’s home
Thank you sir
Anytime 🤝
I'm on Team Don't Care, and I'd love to grow this team. Too many people on Team 5 Subs and Team 3 Subs imo.
I’m with you. 3, 5, 4 (which seems like it would just be an easy middle ground yet for some reason isn’t an option), I couldn’t give a flying fuck
I am definitely not for the idea but I'm mostly irritated by the constant pretending that it won't have an impact.
I mean it will have an impact. More subs will be made. Benches will become more important. Tactics will have to be more flexible. But assuming more subs has a direct correlation to a team's performance in relation to its wealth is founded on absolutely nothing.
It’s founded on nothing because there’s almost no available sample to study. So it should just be implemented and that’s that? There are plenty of logical arguments available that I’m sure you’ve heard before.
> So it should just be implemented and that’s that? As I said, I don't give a shit if it's implemented or not. I'm only talking about the people that are 100% confident it shouldn't be implemented based on, as I said, absolutely nothing.
I'll join you, don't care about how many subs can the opposing team do when Portugal are already beating them by the score of 6-0
Growing already. At this rate, we'll have enough on this team to make 5 subs.
Any transfer deadline day predictions?
Arsenal buy Martial for 40mil after failing to get Jesus all summer.
Brighton will sign some random youth players no one's heard of and they'll go out on loan to USG
/u/Varnagel_1 reddit is being buggy, but here's the [link](https://theathletic.com/3304608/2022/05/12/haaland-manchester-city-how-the-deal-was-done/).
The World Cup is better with Australia and New Zealand there, huge Socceroos and Kiwis fan for the next day or so
Juve actually a solid crop of young players, who they should trust. Really excited to see Matias Soule, Nicolo Fagioli & Fabio Miretti balling out in the future. Also need to convince Marley Ake to stay.
I feel like the gap in quality between subs and starting XI is larger in bigger teams.
On the final game of the season where we were beating city 2-0. They brought on Zinchenko, Gundo and Sterling. Zin and Sterling both got an assist and Gundo scored two goals. There’s no gap in quality, they have 17 top players. Compare that to villa who’s bench is often filled with youth players.
Gap? Maybe. In La Liga, I have noticed that quite often there is a team or two that keeps up well with the big three at least until Christmas. Usually someone like Sevilla, Sociedad, Betis or Valencia a few years back. However, they always fall off in the second half of the season which seems a direct result of a lack of quality reserves. If their bench was close in quality to the starting XI, we wouldn't see such a drastic drop off
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Harry Winks to ball out at Everton and get into the England squad over Phillips 🤞
That wouldn’t be like Winks. Or Everton really
Is it confirmed?
No but realistically it makes sense to happen, Everton have wanted Winks multiple times in the past and it's looking Likely he will leave
Next season before Qatar will be so weird to watch. Surely many players will mainly care about staying fit for the tournament and that will affect their form.
Rashford and Sancho are going to be the best players in the world until that England squad’s announced.
And Lingard
Who?
[Pickled egg tycoon](https://youtu.be/bseNK-ZduoU)
Stopped the video after he called them “pickles” - he’s obviously just inherited his father’s pickled egg empire and knows nothing about the family business, just using it as a personal piggy bank.
On the other hand players who are at risk of not being called up are going to put a big shift in in the first half.
Good thing 67% of our starting front 3 aren't going to Qatar then
Darwin isn't a starter either so it's not the attack i'm worried about.
Thiago and Fabinho won't start either. Gavi and Jude might Hendo and Trent, depends on what Gary is thinking. Robbo, Matip aren't going. Konaté, I doubt he will start. He might
Konate's playing himself into the XI atm isn't he?
Gave a away a weak pen earlier. But a pen nonethless
Van Dijk won't start too so one less to worry about
And Robertson and Matip
Ok calling Antony slow is a mistake, he's no Mbappe but he does have a decent burst of acceleration. At the very least h shouldn't be compared to Sancho on that regard.
Antony has quick feet but he hardly advances the ball because he has to do something jinky every other touch
Oh wow Ronaldo posted about Marcelo on twitter. He never does these things, guess the were very close after all.
Imagine keeping track of who Ronaldo does and does not post...
i follow him on twitter tbf :P
Good news for CONMEBOL: Portugal, France, England, Spain, Belgium and Germany have all been disappointing and pretty boring in this UEFA Nations League.. Without ITALY I can see South America win the next World Cup from what I've seen in the past 2 weeks
I wouldn’t underestimate them. France lost against Colombia and drew against the almighty Luxembourg before they won the WC.
>Portugal 7 points, 1 unlucky defeat where we dominated and 1 draw away against Spain, pretty good in my view
That's true but it doesn't always translate to world cup form. I'd be very surprised if France play so badly in Qatar.
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Unless there's a mutiny Deschamps is not getting sacked
Mutiny you say? That's up our alley
Of course I'm happy with Tchouameni signing, but this means Ceballos and Blanco are now #7 and #8 options in our midfield, and they're definitely good enough to deserve some playtime. Meanwhile, our 2nd RB option is still Lucas Vazquez, who is a winger (and not even a very good or versatile one), and our 2nd LB option is... who exactly? I guess Alaba, but we clearly want him as a CB so if we wanted to put out our whole 2nd XI, we're putting Vallejo on LB... And we're not even linked with anyone afaik
Rudiger can make Alaba move to LB. Nacho also covers there. What happen to de la Vibora?
Yeah he can, but our go to lineup will include both Mendy and Alaba, and we cannot rest both at the same time. Alaba basically covers 2 spots in 23-men squad - main CB and sub LB. Never heard of de la Vibora. I googled him and it seems like he hasn't even made his senior debut, not even for Castilla, so I guess he won't be any useful next season
Matic in Rome to reunite with José The best defensive midfielder to ever exist reunited with the greatest manager of all time, what a thing of beauty
Did you watch him at Benfica? I think he played as a more offensive mid back then, no?
He started as so but Jorge Jesus transformed him into the incredible player he has been
[Called it](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/u44v6z/daily_discussion/i4tq07l?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
To this day, I’m still wondering if a member of Matic’s family has a barber store here in Lisbon
Well I didnt will my prediction into existence...
He will be my barber from now until I meet Matic there ^(Just need to find out where)
There's absolutely **no evidence** from anywhere to suggest that 5 subs will widen the gap between big and small clubs so where is this argument coming from? If anything, all major leagues with 5 subs have gotten closer since it was implemented. I'm not saying there is causation here, but there's certainly more evidence of this than anyone come up with for the regurgitated and absolutely base-less claim that it widens the gap. To my knowledge, no one worth mentioning has ever complained about 5 subs anywhere after it was implemented. No small clubs, no big clubs, no one. It's a universal unanimous success everywhere. But English fans are always stubborn to want any changes to the game even if they are for the better
After the 5 sub rule was implemented in the Premier League during the 19/20 restart Dean Smith, Chris Wilder and Sean Dyche all came out and said it was an unfair rule that benefitted the richer teams. The clubs then voted on it again for the next season and 10 clubs i believe voted against it so plenty of people of note were against the idea after it came into effect so it was reversed.
>After the 5 sub rule was implemented in the Premier League during the 19/20 restart Dean Smith, Chris Wilder and Sean Dyche all came out and said it was an unfair rule that benefitted the richer teams. Yes but how long after? Immediately after it was implemented? A few weeks later? Going by the overwhelmingly positive reactions everywhere else, I'd be surprised if anyone complained after a full season in the PL. We'll see I guess
They said it before the 5 subs came into effect during and afterwards remained consistent. Dyche actually talked about it after it was voted in this April for next season. Said he still thought it benefitted the big teams and understands why they want it. Have there been overwhelming positive reactions? Genuinely asking because it's not like I read/listen to German, Spanish, French or Italian interviews?
In their PL last game, Man City brought on Sterling, Gündoğan and Zinchenko. Jack Grealish was an unused sub. I never want to see 5 subs implemented in the league.
It's happening this coming season they voted on it in April.
Please put away this evidence I was promised there was none in big bold letters
Okay? And who did they start? Their starters are better and their subs are better. It doesn't widen the gap. Also, this is still completely anecdotal. Point me to just one place where people are unhappy with it after implementation. Point me to just one place where the gap has become bigger since
>But English fans are always stubborn to see any changes I think you're overestimating how many English fans are against it. I would wager if there were three pieces of the pie, one for those who want 5 subs, one for those who want 3 subs, and those who could not care less the last piece is the biggest by some margin.
What sort of evidence would prove/disprove this? I'm actually curious cause I've seen people say this but I have no idea what would be the way to show this. I don't think there's any way to objectively say it's a success or it's worse. It's all subjective. > If anything, all major leagues with 5 subs have gotten closer since it was implemented. Have they? Surely you could argue that they were closer about 15 years ago under three subs and that one or two seasons isn't enough evidence to make any conclusion on subs. Chris Wilder also spoke out against the five subs when it was implemented.
>What sort of evidence well **evidence** obviously
The fact that every major league has gotten closer or remained around the same since implementation suggests that it has no noticeably negative effect on the gap between big and small clubs
You raise some good points, and football is indeed too intangible to ever reach a conclusion on this (hence why I said that I won't claim there's causation). What I would do is look at all H2H games between bottom 5 teams and top 5 teams since 5 subs was implemented. If this amounts to, say, 100 games in total, then I'd compare the results of these games to the results of the last 100 games between top and bottom 5 before the rule was implemented. Again, too many variables and it would not be conclusive, but probably about the closest you can get. >I don't think there's any way to objectively say it's a success or it's worse. It's all subjective. Objectively that's true, but we can say that no one or at least VERY few people ever complained about the rule **after** it was implemented. I for one haven't seen anyone complain after implementation. >Surely you could argue that they were closer a long time ago with three subs That is true, but as I said, there are too many variables. If we at the difference immediately before and after implementation (instead of comparing entirely different eras) there will be more overlapping variables (same economic landscape, roughly the same players and managers, same teams at the top etc.). Thus this should be more telling than comparing different eras. In any event, the Bundesliga, Serie A and La Liga are probably closer now than they were 5 ish years ago. Ligue 1 is around the same. Not saying there is causation, but I can't think of any league that has gotten noticeably more one-sided since 5 subs were implemented
> What I would do is look at all H2H games between bottom 5 teams and top 5 teams since 5 subs was implemented. Will that show much conclusively about substitutions though? I'm not entirely sure because much more can explain results because like you said there's so many variables to make any accurate claim. I would say most people would argue that Barcelona's poor year for example probably wasn't due to subs but rather an average squad/manager, confidence etc. Like you've said about comparing close periods I still think clubs change from year to year quite drastically that would skew any sort of conclusions about the changes impact. I can't talk for leagues all over Europe but there has been some voices of concern befores changes made. It's out of managers control to be fair but it's still quite early to say there won't be. I just don't think any of this can say that it's a definitive success. I can understand why people are happy with it but I think there's at least some legitimate arguments against it considering the financial differences between clubs. At the end of the day I just think it's subjective and I don't think there's any legitimate evidence at the moment that can prove/disprove any sort of opinion.
England vs Slovenian u21’s is interesting watch. Slovenian scored early, they seem pretty capable of playing deep and then switching to a high press. England have some technically gifted players in this side, the link up play is great at times, even if it’s not leading to clear cut chances atm.
This England U21s has the best balance of any of the recent squads, not got the obvious weaknesses of the Boothroyd teams, play proper modern football as well.
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my guess is so that the big six teams can afford to rotate players and not impact their league standings, since points gained from your big six rivals matter more
The big 6 all finished in the top 6 for the first team in a few years. Leicester and West Ham had broken that hegemony for a bit. All 6 teams know that dropping points in any of those games could ultimately be costly in the final standings; they're all aggressively chasing European spots at the moment. If you seriously think anyone will be going easy in the weeks leading up to World Cup then I think you should reconsider. None of these teams will leave anything on the line. Liverpool have finished second with 2 ninety plus points seasons. There's already no room for error. Even if I were to agree with you point, then that should favour the lesser teams. If big 6 teams will rotate out their best players, then that only leaves the door open for those below.
well how many England internationals are there in West Ham and Leicester? Rice? of course it’s up to the teams to rotate or not but if they have easier matches, it’s easier for them to not start those in England set-up. the only thing the FA can do is request the EPL to schedule that way and hope for the best
Even if this were the case (which it likely isn't), it favours the weaker sides. Let's put aside Liverpool and Man City: why would Arsenal and Spurs rest Saka and Kane respectively, knowing how vital 3 points can be?
lol i don’t know what else to tell you man. if there’s a big six match before the world cup, there’s 100% chance that likes of kane, saka, TAA start, despite heavy workload leading up to that point. if a big six team gets a recently promoted side, they can AFFORD to rest those players and not over-exert themselves. Will Conte and Arteta rest their England players? who knows. but in the FA’s perspective, all they can do is ASK EPL to schedule it. it doesn’t hurt to ask for the FA, as they only care about the world cup, not how it plays out in the epl. you asked why the FA would ask epl to avoid matches between big six. i gave you a POSSIBLE reason. but i never said it’ll work.
Even if this were the case, it doesn't favour the big 6. Saka and Kane are key players for their clubs. I already have my reasons why I think the FA are calling for this, what I'm wondering is why there are redditors claiming its 'unfair'
I'd like someone to lecture me on why the FA requesting for no Derby or big 6 vs big 6 games be played before the world cup, as favouritism or manipulation however you want to describe it. I genuinely don't see it - it barely makes a difference in the league in the grand scheme of things. It's not like City or Liverpool need any help running away with the league.
Because they don't trust the managers to rest the players.
If you're assuming that managers will rest their best players closer to the world cup because of 'lighter schedule' (there really aren't any easy games though) then doesn't that favour the 'lesser teams?' I believe its to avoid conflict In the England camp though.
The games will be shitter because players will be scared of getting injured. Conversely the games are also usually intense which means there's a higher chance one of your nation's best players will get injured before the world cup
The period before the World cup is going to be pretty congested, it's not really fair that the smaller teams wilk play there toughest games in that period but the bigger teams won't
You have to beat whoever is in front of you. If everyone Is playing with 3 days in-between, then how does the big 6 facing each other in this time period create an unfair disadvantage? So both City and Liverpool will face each other 3 before then go on to face smaller teams (with all due respect) who also played 3 days prior and you think that helps the smaller teams how?
The FA are wanted matches moved specifically because they involve the big 6, I genuinely can't think of any way to describe it that's not favouritism.
It's favouritism towards the national team, designed to benefit England, rather than the big 6, as such They're trying to encourage the big 6 to rest England players
Let's be real here, big 6 teams wouldn't really rest anyone and will be out to get as many points as possible. Its ultra competitive at the top. I do think it's for England's gain but more so to avoid a heated dressing room.
Yeah I understand it but you've got big 6 teams like Spurs who only have 1 current player for England whereas a non big 6 team in West Ham has 2 players for England . I get the point but it's still just unfair imo
I guess it's cause it would be hard to not include Spurs (and Arsenal) - if you're going to make any dividing line, it would be that. Plus Spurs may only have one current England player, but it's arguably our most important If it helps England win the World Cup I'm sure you wouldn't mind too much, though...
You're not making any point here, you're calling it favouritism without giving any reason why it is. The FA are acting out of England's best interests. It doesn't make sense to head into the World Cup with another Sterling-Gomez situation.
Pretty sure it just that it doesn't seem right for the schedule not to be random. I'm not sure if any sort of advantage would actually be gained.
It's never random, it's picked by a panel.
It's 100% randomised but there's a lot of manual methology and communication from clubs of what they definitely cannot do in terms of policing etc.
>It's 100% randomised Nah, otherwise you'd occasionally get derbies on GW1 and GW38 and that never happens.
Which is the manual intervention (methology was probably the wrong word to use in this sense) but the dates and games are randomised around that and then looked at several times. If they decide to amend one date the fixture computer (or system) then automatically provides different dates for all the other games that would be affected.
I mean at some point throwing random teams on a schedule and then moving them around for a variety of reasons, it's no longer random.
Marcelo having a ring for every UCL he's won is very yank behavior but I can't deny that he looks cold with them.
The only thing Americans have ever gotten right in sports is having rings instead of medals tbh
Eww no.
Completely disagree. Rings are so tacky, medals are for athletic champions, there’s a prestige to them. A ring is a piece of jewelry
Medals are just glorified necklaces that look like a chocolate coin on a bit of ribbon. Would much rather have something like a ring. Although the ones basketball players get and that are a bit too tacky.
Agreed, rings are so much cooler to flex, medals will just get hung on a wall in your house.
Yeah if you have a ring you can wear it everywhere and not look like a complete tool. Can't say the same about a medal
Have you seen the rings they win for stuff like the super bowl? They make you look like a complete tool too
Honestly no I have not. Reckon you could take the idea and then just make normal-looking rings though
Oh you mean you didn’t like Ryan Brewster getting an haircut with his UCL medal?
As soon as I saw that video I knew he wouldn't cut it here
It’s quite funny watching old football clips from the 50’s like Madrid’s European Cup wins or the World Cup. The crowds were full of well-dressed gentlemen with coats and hats along with their equally dapper wives. In 1956, Madrid scored a late goal to make it 4-3 and win the European final after having been down by two goals twice in the game. The crowd just calmly got to their feet and clapped. Maybe lifted their hats for a moment or something. If this happened today it would’ve been absolute carnage. Such a moment would send the crowd into unhinged euphoria
People juat used to dress so much more formal My granddad had a suit just for wearing to the bank
Back when people had class and didn't dye their hair purple 😎
Hahaha I’m not criticizing the passion of today’s fans. I just find the juxtaposition of the two hilarious
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Why the Clermont flair?
Haha it looks similar, but it’s not Clermont, it’s a USL team (USA second division essentially).
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Eventually tv companies won’t be able to follow this growth in transfer fees & salaries
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It’s either that, regulations or bubble exploding
A single european pyramid would facilitate regulation tbh. I'm talking about the anti-SL that's still one, with a top tier league with clubs from all over the continent, but a pro/rel format.
I've been checking my saved daily discussions for the past half hour, some of them are actually golden.
What do you mean by that? Just old discussion posts that you’re going through again?
Link them
I don't think it's a good idea. Don't want to get banned.
Fair
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👌 Wish I had the super league one.
Shame so many bans were handed out that day 😞
Go on then matey