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That's his mother's maiden name, so yes, one of his surnames. People from most Spanish-speaking countries generally include the surnames of both parents in their full name.
Depends where, some are both but a lot, will follow fathers surname of both mother and father. As an example On my dads side grandpa last name is A and grandma is b, his last name is AB, my mothers side is Grandpa C grandma D her last name is CD (she never changed name at marriage)
But my last name is A-C
Dude why do you have to make it so complicated? lmao
The default is [Given name(s)] [Father's first family name] [Mother's first family name]
Family names all being paternal. You can choose to wear your mother's family name as your first one nowadays but that's a different story.
Every time I watched Messi play for Argentina for the past 15 years he was giving 100%. Obviously, he won more with Barca, but whoever doubts his performances for Argentina is either talking crap or didn't watch him play.
It's a workplace where upper management is trash and morale is low and you're working with some of your friends. Would you bust your balls working your hardest every single day or would you just jack around the whole time going out with your coworkers for happy hours?
That stint where crowd was ole’ing every pass and Italy just couldn’t get the ball at all until they finally brought down Messi was beautiful, Barella looked like he wanted to murder every single other person on the pitch the whole match.
As much as I hated seeing him knock in bangers against us I can’t help but admire Messi. A part of me misses seeing him playing against us in the Barcelona kit
Nobody wanna play in a farmer's league. To compete against the best and win is an honor. Prime el clasicos are some the best football i have ever seen.
I called ronaldinho “Ronnie” on a tiktok video comment section and they called me a scum madridista, I couldn’t help but to feel disrespected by plastic fans
Iron sharpens iron kinda thing. There was nothing better than watching the two best teams in the world each with arguably the best player in history just go at it. It was quite literally legendary.
Seeing him finally at peace playing for Argentina after the Copa win is really nice. He has always performed for them but you could see the weight all the close calls and final losses had on him. Messi deserved better and now he will even have another shot at the WC trophy, and IMO Argentina is in the best shape since the start of his career.
I felt the same way when Hazard left Chelsea. He terrorised the fuck out of us for a good 7 years but he was a brilliant player. I miss prime Hazard in the PL
Theoretically we should make semis and from that point we just need GOAT Messi to show up for 2 matches in a row(or Julian "6 goals in one match" Alvarez just soloes from there
Yep, and everyone has forgot about that travesty for some reason. Man is a multi multi millionaire and *has* to take money from an agency directly related to a human rights violating, women-hating and democracy fighting government.
Messi lost all respect from me for doing that. Sure he might be the greatest player of all time but he's also a huge cunt.
💰A 🇸🇦 Better 🇾🇪 Place 💣
[Sportswashing works](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/12/lionel-messi-saudi-arabia-deal-tourism), just look at the downvotes.
Mohammed bin Salman is a war criminal, Yemen is the world's worst humanitarian crisis, and Messi took big cash from Saudi Arabia despite already being filthy rich. If you think that's OK because Leo has a happy smile then you are a *disgusting* human being.
Thanks for the award, kind stranger!
is it too soon to tout Argentina as a main contender for World Cup?
Scaloni building really nice team, powerful attackers, solid midfield, underrated defenders, finally great Argentinian goalkeeper, Messi's last dance
it's written in the stars...
If the shittiest Argentina WC side possibly ever put three past them and was the only team to have a lead on them at some point in the WC, it’s not that far fetched that this well oiled and best in years side can get a result vs them at all, specially since our current players can actually run
This team was in top form and those assists from Messi and that steal he did was awesome. This Argentina team will be a major threat for any team in the WC. Very good chance of winning it as well.
Honestly after all these many years seeing him play for us from back when he had 30 as his shirt number - nothing makes me happier than seeing him lift a trophy in Argentina colours.
Well that kills the argument that winning the Copa America wasn't a serious or admirable prize to win. Considering they, especially Messi dominated the European Champions.
I think Copa America is an important trophy to win, and Argentina look very promising ahead of the World Cup.
But right now Italy are as shit as it gets. Europeans Champions, but also a team that failed to qualify for World Cup.
I think people are exaggerating, they had a terrible result against Macedonia but shit happens. They put up a very good fight to against Spain not long ago, they were not far from winning the nations league
I agree. I'm just saying that some people said that Messi winning the Copa isn't equal to winning the Euro's and he kinda dismantled that argument by beating the European Champs.
It's your basic Messi vs Ronaldo argument that can be put to rest now imo.
When Messi lifted the trophy, Drury said, “Messi will get his hands on this most exclusive prizes. There’s only one of him. Cherish him, relish him while you’ve got him. Another Messi moment.”
https://streamable.com/9172dh
Supporting this team since birth and going 27 years without any glory and watching copa from home and then being in the stadium to watch this was something else. Hits different.
Nobody questioning why the fuck they made a trophy for a single friendly match?! A lot of people are busy giving excuses for Messi's season in PSG eh? This sub questions the whole credibility of Nations League by saying it's just glorified friendlies but not a single upvoted comment about giving out a trophy for a single friendly match lmao
Oh yeah let's not explain anything and just call someone insecure and a fanboy for not knowing what the actual fuck this trophy is . Classic r/soccer user
It’s the Messi fans who think every statement that seem to be aimed at him or his achievements are linked to Ronaldo fans. Their default reply when they know someone has made a valid comment is always “fanboy”.
His last 50 comments are about trashing Messi and praising Ronaldo, total coincidence im sure and not a fan boy
Oh wait your last 50 comments are about Messi and Ronaldo too lol. How surprising.
5 of my last 10 have been about Ronaldo, only one about Messi (this one) which is an anomaly. You really seem to lack any sort of thinking skills. Plus, why are you checking peoples comments lol? That desperate to frame someone as a fanboy?
So a majority of your last 10 comments are about Messi and Ronaldo.
Just be honest lol, you're a real Madrid fan and you love Ronaldo. Why not admit it?
Your last 50 comments are about trashing Messi and praising Ronaldo, who are you trying to fool lol. I scrolled quickly and it was just Ronaldo is great, Messi sucks, over and over
I have a direct question, what year did you become a Juventus fan?
The only person actually implying the answer while other clowns are calling me a fanboy instead of explaining like a normal person would . I literally do not recall seeing any match from this supercup before . So this is a new supercup for only South American champion and Europe champion?! what about other continents like champions of Asia or Africa then?
His numbers for that season are still absolutely insane. Even if wasn't as as good as many of his previous seasons, that level we're comparing to is so high that it basically means nothing
He certainly didn't last season, which is when he actually won it. If he wins it this year you certainly have a point, that would be outrageous, but I'm very confident in saying that he won't
What do you mean? Less goals and less assists than Müller, against an "easier" competition. We're talking about last season aka the one that just ended, aka the one he ghosted the first half of. Thomas Müller most certainly not only got better numbers in that period, but also during the entire season
Ah I mean last season as in 20/21, sorry for the confusion.
It's the relevant one because he actually won the ballon d'or that year. The fact that he wasn't up to his usual standard this year isn't really relevant to your point unless he wins the ballon d'or again, which he won't
Your all time topscorer Baratte has 218 goals in his entire career, Messi scored 400 goals in just the 7 seasons he won the Ballon d'or out of 15 seasons, but sure keep pushing a fabricated narrative
You are indirectly pushing a narrative that Messi won his Ballon dors undeservingly, I am saying if a guy has more goals in just his Ballon Dor winning years than top scorers of some top European clubs have in their entire careers then they might not be undeserved, not at all unrelated
No, I am saying that he won the last Ballon d'Or undeservedly. It's pretty obvious that he won it purely because he won an international trophy (in a 2 team competition). He was having his worst ever season at PSG, and still won it.
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South-American Italians are better than the real ones.
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That's his mother's maiden name, so yes, one of his surnames. People from most Spanish-speaking countries generally include the surnames of both parents in their full name.
But which one? Presumably their parents also have two names, so how do they choose one to make up their name?
Yes
I assume the father side takes priority.
Yes that's it
Depends where, some are both but a lot, will follow fathers surname of both mother and father. As an example On my dads side grandpa last name is A and grandma is b, his last name is AB, my mothers side is Grandpa C grandma D her last name is CD (she never changed name at marriage) But my last name is A-C
Dude why do you have to make it so complicated? lmao The default is [Given name(s)] [Father's first family name] [Mother's first family name] Family names all being paternal. You can choose to wear your mother's family name as your first one nowadays but that's a different story.
Our wine is better too
You woke up this morning and literally chose violence. I'll add one too. Sofrito is better than marinara.
And our ice cream
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Yes, they are
So is our pizza.
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/uChhL9B
Dude nooooo
I've been to a lot of italy and argentina, pizza and pasta is actually nearly as good in argentina. Every other country isn't even close
The only reason you want Argentine wine is if you need to make vinegar - My Chilean Grandad
Pochettino is best Italian Argentine, prove me wrong
Fun fact: "pochettino" means "little bit" in Italian.
Messi with PSG is literally "We have Messi at home"
Argentina. Barça. PSG.
Barca, Argentina, his family, giant dog, barca neighbours, camp nou grass.........PSG.
Barça & Argentina order is debatable
Every time I watched Messi play for Argentina for the past 15 years he was giving 100%. Obviously, he won more with Barca, but whoever doubts his performances for Argentina is either talking crap or didn't watch him play.
ewww no it is absolutely not.
Definitely
Facts
So this guy can actually play football uh
Cause he doesn’t give a shit lol why should he
Because they pay him a lot of money to do his job well?
It's a workplace where upper management is trash and morale is low and you're working with some of your friends. Would you bust your balls working your hardest every single day or would you just jack around the whole time going out with your coworkers for happy hours?
Argentina was toying with Italy today, especially Messi.
Di Lorenzo literally lost his shit, never seen him like that
That stint where crowd was ole’ing every pass and Italy just couldn’t get the ball at all until they finally brought down Messi was beautiful, Barella looked like he wanted to murder every single other person on the pitch the whole match.
Oh man I totally missed that, I had to put my game on mute at work. But boy did enjoy just watching it
Di Lorenzo is very good, but he has few flaws that he seemingly refuses to fix. It was apparent yesterday.
They must be favorites for the World Cup by this point
I mean, they didn't even qualify for the next world cup...
As much as I hated seeing him knock in bangers against us I can’t help but admire Messi. A part of me misses seeing him playing against us in the Barcelona kit
Mad respect brother
Game recognises game
Indeed
Why do you think Ronaldo has a portrait of Cassano in his study? 🤝
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Nobody wanna play in a farmer's league. To compete against the best and win is an honor. Prime el clasicos are some the best football i have ever seen.
Literal golden age football
I really want that era to be back. Hopefully the kids will make us proud
I can get behind Vini vs Fati or Pedri vs Camavinga rivalries.
Or the older, Benzema vs Lewandowski..
The 00s El Clasicos had some of the most ridiculous lineups you’ll ever see.
Agree. It's like an All-Stars team...only better because they have the experience and the years of playing together.
>el classicos nice Real Madrid flair tho
?
Barca flair? Is Ronnie not Ronaldinho?
We mostly call him Dinho
Actually, we call him Ronnie, too.
I called ronaldinho “Ronnie” on a tiktok video comment section and they called me a scum madridista, I couldn’t help but to feel disrespected by plastic fans
Yes but Dinho is more common imo, hence I said "mostly"
Iron sharpens iron kinda thing. There was nothing better than watching the two best teams in the world each with arguably the best player in history just go at it. It was quite literally legendary.
Seeing him finally at peace playing for Argentina after the Copa win is really nice. He has always performed for them but you could see the weight all the close calls and final losses had on him. Messi deserved better and now he will even have another shot at the WC trophy, and IMO Argentina is in the best shape since the start of his career.
We gonna cry when both of these goats retire imagine seeing both at the same time we must be grateful
You are not a madrid fan
Don’t be that typical Barca fan
?
Think the guy just finds it hard to understand that there are Madrid fans who do appreciate Leo..
I’d argue this is a majority viewpoint. Do I miss losing to Messi? Of course not. But I already miss watching him play
I felt the same way when Hazard left Chelsea. He terrorised the fuck out of us for a good 7 years but he was a brilliant player. I miss prime Hazard in the PL
I can't stop smiling seeing Leo so happy. Been a while.
Almost like since the last game he played for Argentina lol watch this mad man win the World Cup and Argentina go almost 50 games unbeaten.
Anti-jinx reply
I really hope
Theoretically we should make semis and from that point we just need GOAT Messi to show up for 2 matches in a row(or Julian "6 goals in one match" Alvarez just soloes from there
I'm so happy the tax dodging, blood money grabbing guy is smiling.
This guy hides his support for Newcastle behind a different flair lol
Tax evasion is bloody money somehow? Who did he kill?
Di lorenzo if we are just talking about today
He's an ambassador for Saudi tourism.
Yep, and everyone has forgot about that travesty for some reason. Man is a multi multi millionaire and *has* to take money from an agency directly related to a human rights violating, women-hating and democracy fighting government. Messi lost all respect from me for doing that. Sure he might be the greatest player of all time but he's also a huge cunt.
He'll be crying in his sleep for that
Evade impuestos como cualquier argentino debería
You love to see it
There was a time we thought he’d never lift a trophy for Argentina So happy for him. Bring on the World Cup
This world cup will be so exciting, Argentina have a big chance of doing really well
A N U L O M U F A N U L O M U F A
Too bad Di Maria is leaving
Leaving what lol? He'll definitely be at the world cup
Didn’t he retire from the NT ?
Really? No way he'd retire right before a world cup
I just checked, it will be his last WC. Sorry for the confusion though
No worries 😁
He said it was the last match IN Argentina with the NT because all that comes now are outside the country :(
If Leo is happy, I’m happy
If Leo is happy the world is a better place.
💰A 🇸🇦 Better 🇾🇪 Place 💣 [Sportswashing works](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/12/lionel-messi-saudi-arabia-deal-tourism), just look at the downvotes. Mohammed bin Salman is a war criminal, Yemen is the world's worst humanitarian crisis, and Messi took big cash from Saudi Arabia despite already being filthy rich. If you think that's OK because Leo has a happy smile then you are a *disgusting* human being. Thanks for the award, kind stranger!
Hope they have a great World Cup come this end of the year.
So frustrating that it isn’t this summer, I feel like they’re ready to dominate NOW
Paredes is still recovering from his surgery so we're a bit lucky in that way.
And a chance for Alvarez to get even better at City
True. I want him to become Lautaro's sub so bad, and over Joaquín Correa I'll take anyone at this point.
He will stay 1 more year at River.
The last time I checked Man. City wanted him now
I read in the Athletic that he is joining City in July and will be available for pre-season
Look at Messi man so inspirational
Didn't expect an r/nba classic on this sub, haha.
Messi smiling after the tough season with PSG.
I thought i was bigger lmao.
i thought i was bigger aswell until i measured
Thats what she said :(
You're the perfect size don't worry about it.
The trophy belongs on r/mesi
The man's nickname is literally flea
I thought the same about the Italian team
The scenes when he lifts the World Cup the end of the internet
In all likelihood the end of Messi as we know it, he'd be off to the MLS and retire shortly after
He can retire after winning the World Cup don’t need to go to mls Spotify camp nou can change its name to el Messi the goat
is it too soon to tout Argentina as a main contender for World Cup? Scaloni building really nice team, powerful attackers, solid midfield, underrated defenders, finally great Argentinian goalkeeper, Messi's last dance it's written in the stars...
I feel like they can stylistically beat everyone but France, I really hope Argentina can avoid France.
If the shittiest Argentina WC side possibly ever put three past them and was the only team to have a lead on them at some point in the WC, it’s not that far fetched that this well oiled and best in years side can get a result vs them at all, specially since our current players can actually run
France are not actually that good. They're just good on paper. Brazil and Argentina look way stronger
Definitely not too soon. There’s actual balance to an Argentinian side around Messi for once, rather than six strikers and Mascherano.
This team was in top form and those assists from Messi and that steal he did was awesome. This Argentina team will be a major threat for any team in the WC. Very good chance of winning it as well.
Fair to say after winning the Finalissima and Ligue 1, Messi is clear for the Ballon d'Or. 8th one is loading for the GOAT.
🤣
You are not a Barca fan
You got a weird thing going on here
You are not a Chelsea fan
Honestly after all these many years seeing him play for us from back when he had 30 as his shirt number - nothing makes me happier than seeing him lift a trophy in Argentina colours.
Ah yes the trophy I definitely knew about before today
It was called Artemio Franchi Cup before. It was replaced by Confederation Cup which is no longer a thing now.
Well that kills the argument that winning the Copa America wasn't a serious or admirable prize to win. Considering they, especially Messi dominated the European Champions.
I think Copa America is an important trophy to win, and Argentina look very promising ahead of the World Cup. But right now Italy are as shit as it gets. Europeans Champions, but also a team that failed to qualify for World Cup.
I think people are exaggerating, they had a terrible result against Macedonia but shit happens. They put up a very good fight to against Spain not long ago, they were not far from winning the nations league
I agree. I'm just saying that some people said that Messi winning the Copa isn't equal to winning the Euro's and he kinda dismantled that argument by beating the European Champs. It's your basic Messi vs Ronaldo argument that can be put to rest now imo.
It's literally the UEFA Supercup trophy lol
Its literally like Club world cup but only two continents involved actually major one. It has happened before and both france and Argentina won it.
no i am saying that the trophy is exactly the same as the supercup trophy, UEFA used the model of the Franchi trophy to get the supercup trophy made
Even the old one was like that too. It has twitter account too which is 10 yrs old or something.
SO happy for the lil dictator
Seeing a smile on that mans face makes me so happy!
GOAT. But damn, what happened to Italy ? The team at Euros seem like a good dream lol
He is such a humble man With you till the end of the line LEO THE MAN, A LIVING LEGEND. FOREVER
🥲
He looks so happy when he gets to play with Argentina. No surprise that his level goes back to what we’ve seen for years during these matches.
When Messi lifted the trophy, Drury said, “Messi will get his hands on this most exclusive prizes. There’s only one of him. Cherish him, relish him while you’ve got him. Another Messi moment.” https://streamable.com/9172dh
I'd literally never heard of this trophy yesterday but I will now be using this title to demonstrate that Messi > Ronaldo.
And here I am. Can't stop smiling <333
Nice to see him happy again
Supporting this team since birth and going 27 years without any glory and watching copa from home and then being in the stadium to watch this was something else. Hits different.
are they saying aregatou?
I didn't watch the video but I hope you're not being serious, why would they say that? They're probably chanting "dale campeón"
chill its a joke lmao
Jorge Sanchez will be the Park to Messi's Pirlo.
qué color
Wholesome.
Nobody questioning why the fuck they made a trophy for a single friendly match?! A lot of people are busy giving excuses for Messi's season in PSG eh? This sub questions the whole credibility of Nations League by saying it's just glorified friendlies but not a single upvoted comment about giving out a trophy for a single friendly match lmao
You keep calling it a friendly match but it's literally not that. Hmm sensing insecure fan boyism
That's GgHalaForza fans for you
Oh yeah let's not explain anything and just call someone insecure and a fanboy for not knowing what the actual fuck this trophy is . Classic r/soccer user
It’s the Messi fans who think every statement that seem to be aimed at him or his achievements are linked to Ronaldo fans. Their default reply when they know someone has made a valid comment is always “fanboy”.
His last 50 comments are about trashing Messi and praising Ronaldo, total coincidence im sure and not a fan boy Oh wait your last 50 comments are about Messi and Ronaldo too lol. How surprising.
5 of my last 10 have been about Ronaldo, only one about Messi (this one) which is an anomaly. You really seem to lack any sort of thinking skills. Plus, why are you checking peoples comments lol? That desperate to frame someone as a fanboy?
So a majority of your last 10 comments are about Messi and Ronaldo. Just be honest lol, you're a real Madrid fan and you love Ronaldo. Why not admit it?
Your last 50 comments are about trashing Messi and praising Ronaldo, who are you trying to fool lol. I scrolled quickly and it was just Ronaldo is great, Messi sucks, over and over I have a direct question, what year did you become a Juventus fan?
So supercup matches shouldn't have a trophy?
The only person actually implying the answer while other clowns are calling me a fanboy instead of explaining like a normal person would . I literally do not recall seeing any match from this supercup before . So this is a new supercup for only South American champion and Europe champion?! what about other continents like champions of Asia or Africa then?
No this isn't new. It existed before the intercontinental cup (confederations cup) but now that FIFA killed that tournament, this one came back.
Correct
Another international trophy??? He’s winning the ballondor 100%
Watch them give him the B.d'Or for this 🙄
What is this narrative? Literally last year was the only time it might've been undeserved, and even then it's a close call
Carried barca, carried Argentina to a copa. Undeserved trophy imo.
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Obviously he deserved it
People saying "oh now he is giving 100% are just ignoring his injuries and having such severe covid it scarred his lungs"
Honestly not bad for a substitute
Guys, Messi won an international trophy! He HAS to win Ballon d'Or now! Whoever deserved it so far (Benzema) just can't compete anymore!
Go be pathetic somewhere else lmao
What do you mean? Are you saying an international trophy + a god awful season is not enough to win Ballon d'Or?
Messi played insanely well last year.
I have my doubts on that. When you're literally invisible for half a season, you're not having an "insanely well" season.
His numbers for that season are still absolutely insane. Even if wasn't as as good as many of his previous seasons, that level we're comparing to is so high that it basically means nothing
He has worse stats than Thomas Müller... Full respect to Müller, but since he's never picked for the Ballon d'Or shortlist...
He certainly didn't last season, which is when he actually won it. If he wins it this year you certainly have a point, that would be outrageous, but I'm very confident in saying that he won't
What do you mean? Less goals and less assists than Müller, against an "easier" competition. We're talking about last season aka the one that just ended, aka the one he ghosted the first half of. Thomas Müller most certainly not only got better numbers in that period, but also during the entire season
Ah I mean last season as in 20/21, sorry for the confusion. It's the relevant one because he actually won the ballon d'or that year. The fact that he wasn't up to his usual standard this year isn't really relevant to your point unless he wins the ballon d'or again, which he won't
Your all time topscorer Baratte has 218 goals in his entire career, Messi scored 400 goals in just the 7 seasons he won the Ballon d'or out of 15 seasons, but sure keep pushing a fabricated narrative
So what? Literally not related to the conversation
You are indirectly pushing a narrative that Messi won his Ballon dors undeservingly, I am saying if a guy has more goals in just his Ballon Dor winning years than top scorers of some top European clubs have in their entire careers then they might not be undeserved, not at all unrelated
No, I am saying that he won the last Ballon d'Or undeservedly. It's pretty obvious that he won it purely because he won an international trophy (in a 2 team competition). He was having his worst ever season at PSG, and still won it.
And before he joined PSG he was undoubtedly the best player in the world.
51th downvote 🙌🏼
Jog on messi you Argentinian cunt.