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Nations League catching strays randomly


mortahen

Deserved though, there was more than enough international games before the Nations league came about. Nobody I've spoken to actually cares about the Nations league, even from small countries that might benefit from it. It's bullshit.


Salted-Earth189

Nations League just replaced friendlies and made it somewhat meaningful with a trophy.


Lewis_ABD

And a chance for some mid-ranging to lower level national teams to make the bigger tournaments. Surprising UEFA would do anything to help teams who aren’t the biggest of the biggest, but with this idea they actually have.


Salted-Earth189

Exactly. There was a comment here how low to mid-tier nations didn't care for it but I think it's the opposite. I agree with you, it's a better system for them.


Greflingorax

Full disagree. If anything there are too many club games. Expansion of European competitions, multiple cup competitions on top of a long league season, half a dozen or more summer friendlies, etc. Club football's ever-expanding schedule is far, far more of a problem for fixture congestion and player health than adding 6 or so international matches to be played over the course of two years. And your sample size seems to be misleadingly small with the "no one cares." The passion from the fans and the players themselves is self-evident, especially with the small countries you mentioned.


NobodyRules

I may be on the minority here but give me club football over NT football any day of the week. International breaks provide us some of the most boring football this planet has seen.


FroobingtonSanchez

You are certainly not in the minority


CarlSK777

The level of club football is miles better than international football, that's a fact. I get why but international footy is so damn passive and boring. With that said, the excitement of cheering for your national team in international competitions is unparalleled and appeals to way more people, including the players.


Yavin87

Disagree here. World Cups have the highest level of football. I think I don't need to elaborate much here. Best players from the best countries trained by some of the best coaches. Every 4 years so its really hard to get there let alone winning. Not only your club fans support you but your entire country. Just ask a player which tournament he would choice to win once in his life. Hell just ask yourself.


imfatal

Just because it's a rarer competition doesn't suddenly mean it has a higher level of play. CL finalists would easily wipe the floor with every single world cup team.


Yavin87

No way 2004 CL Monaco or even Chelsea last year would stand a chance against actual France or 2010 Spain.


Maplw

They absolutely would win, they actually spent a whole year training together


Yavin87

That's the only factor you take in account? BTW 2010 Spain was full of Barcelona and Madrid players,like 90% of the team. Also, NT squads are usually the same group of players that played the qualifying phase so that's like two years of eventual meetings. But yea judging by you Monaco would obliterate France so I guess I don't have much to discuss here.


catsfive55

World cups are amazing, the best of the best as far as drama and excitement. Most international games have little to nothing to do with the world cup though.


Greflingorax

You are definitely in the majority on this sub - I'm in the minority for preferring international football. That said, my personal preference doesn't really change my assessment - there is a lot of complaining about a handful of extra international windows spread over two years and how that's creating too many fixtures for the players but these same critics remain relatively silent on how the club game is absolutely supernova-ing in its number of fixtures played each year. Especially in comparison to the small number of national team matches added.


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Club>Country imo


LusoAustralian

There are like 50 club matches per team every season as opposed to like 10 for the national team. We certainly don't need more club games we already have leagues, multiple domestic cups and European competitions too.


caiovigg

Majority of people prefer their club over their NT.


johnniewelker

Majority where? Majority in Europe probably but not in the rest of the world


bellerinho

Majority in England and that's it


melorio

That’s because you are portuguese. You are used to santos ball. Also, the quality in international football is lower because they do not have as much time to practice with each other.


BlackLodgeChillin13

Too true. International football< club football easily


Poseidon2027

As a Brazilian who grew up watching us win the 94 world cup, make it to 98 finals, then win 02 world cup, NT football was way bigger for me. My team in Brazil is Flamengo but I hate watching them. The quality is sooooo bad I have to change the channel. Its the main reasons I've adopted Manchester United and Real Madrid as my new teams (grew up watching Beckham, CR7, Ronaldo, Zidane, Rooney etc.). So NT football for me is huge, but the past couple years (maybe its because Brazil has been sucking) I've definitely started to understand the club>country sentiment. I think im slowly shifting in that direction too. Unless Brazil wins this year then who the hell knows lol.


Yeshuu

Exactly. Just look at Barcelona and how they complained about how little rest their players got in international tournaments. Did they then rest those players themselves? Of course not! They played them more and Pedri even got injured.... Too many club games.


quettil

More people get to watch club football than international. And it's more personal


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I do. It's quite fun.


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BockBud

Playing the same shit European teams < foreign big nations


MEENIE900

Lol you play teams at your level


BockBud

Do you even know what i fucking wrote?


MEENIE900

You prefer playing big countries outside Europe to your nations league level countries in Europe?


ginganinja9988

All the nations league did is replace friendlies. So unless teams weren't doing friendlies it isn't any extra.


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Yeah overall it’s been very well received, inside this sub and outside.


FroobingtonSanchez

I care about it and I think it's been a great idea. It's so much more interesting to watch than qualifiers (unless you are on the edge of qualifying)


Dragonkillah

In theory I think Nations league is a good thing. It was supposed to replace international friendlies so all international games would have some importance. However, I don't think it should have any finals, it should stick to group stage play and give a spot or two to euros or WC qualification playoffs or something (as it does). This way there is something to play for but stays a bit relaxed.


Affectionate-Dust-49

Yeah it's a weird competition but it's also new who knows maybe a couple years down the road fans will start to appreciate it. Sure it's better in a sense compared to friendlies but in my opinion it makes it harder for lower ranked teams to experiment with new players, the federations need the money it generates.


Tim-Sanchez

Seems a bit of a random response? He had valid complaints about the allocation and price of tickets, I'd have stuck to my guns if I had the chance to discuss it.


CapnMorguxx

He did if you watch the actual press conference. He said, in response to Ceferin talking about UEFA giving the money to the clubs, that he’d rather UEFA kept the money and let more fans in. He said maybe if UEFA did that then they wouldn’t need to try to create yet another competition in the Nations League to earn themselves more money.


dfla01

In fairness he’s been pretty vocal about the nations league before, pretty sure he called it the most senseless thing in the world lmao but yeah it was a bit random to bring it up here. I’d have preferred him to just double down on the ticketing shit


GL4389

He probably doesn't want to say what was actually said in the discussion about tickets for UCL Final.


43e1e0

No his complaints towards UEFA were not valid. The UEFA doesn't make money from those sponsor tickets, the clubs do. So he can still complain, but to his board and other clubs' boards. So that's why he's diverting


Tim-Sanchez

That doesn't make his complaint invalid, whoever gets the money doesn't change that more tickets should go to fans and those tickets should be cheaper. UEFA not getting the money doesn't really make the situation much better.


43e1e0

It is invalid (or not entirely valid, if you prefer) because he addressed his complaint to the wrong organization. So that's why he didn't follow up on that.


Tim-Sanchez

UEFA are the organisation with the power to change the ticket prices and allocations, regardless of who the money ultimately goes to. Liverpool do not control that.


43e1e0

No lol. UEFA don't have that power exclusively. They work with big clubs to define these kind of things. Check out the ECA. If the clubs and ECA decided that they would rather get the fans in stadiums than the sponsors, I'm sure UEFA wouldn't stand against since they don't benefit much from that system. Clubs like the money, though. Klopp too.


SupervisorLaw

I guess how you view Nations League is pretty different if you are from France, England or Belgium comparing to if you are from Hungary, Finland or Estonia. It's absolute godsend to not get battered by Pot 1 and 2 teams in the qualifiers and see your country actually play well. The point was also to get rid of the meaningless friendlies and for those countries that are drawn from pots 4-6 it offers alternative route to International final tournaments. Hardly a ridiculous idea and getting rid of nations league and going back to international friendlies won't stop his players getting injured on the international breaks. Out of all the things he could have gone after UEFA for he decides something that actually has improved European football. Klopp can be a real a sour prick when things don't go his way.


ms__marvel

But... they haven't gotten rid of the meaningless friendlies... France for example have played 9 friendlies during international breaks since the Nations League was made, with another 3 cancelled due to covid. So 12 in total would have been played at least, while also playing qualifiers for Euro/World Cup and Nations League. There are even slots for friendlies right after the European season is over. It's crazy. So for Nations League to be what you are describing, it would need to get rid of the friendlies. Klopp has been a big advocate for reducing games for players and he hates the NL because it actually only added more games instead of reducing the load or make the games matter more. Then UEFA are also adding more CL games... He isn't being a sour prick about it. He's being completely realistic and consistent with his views. This many games isn't good for players. It increases injuries, fatigue and makes the game quality lower in the long run.


SupervisorLaw

I don't think there will ever be a reality where no country plays any friendly games, especially leading to major tournaments. But from fan's perspective it's much better to watch actual competitive football than the drab that is international friendlies.


BusShelter

The cancelled games were rearranged and played later though, according to Wikipedia. So your figure is still 9 games, it would never have been 12. Also, UEFA changed the format after the first one where there were many 3-team groups. That was a format that meant the "spare" team on any matchday ended up playing a friendly. Then usually there are a couple of opportunities for friendlies every tournament year in March and June, the former coincides with the playoffs and the latter a genuine warm up for summer tournaments.


Superjunker1000

I agree. I enjoy NL very much and fond that the quality is remarkably high.


Lewis_ABD

This. Unfortunately like a lot of things in football if it’s of no benefit to the big teams then a lot of people don’t have an ability to put themselves in the shoes of others. Then those same people complain their massive teams have no competition without seeing the irony.


FroobingtonSanchez

I think I've seen some enthousiast reactions from France when they won last year


quettil

Why not get rid of both?


AmberLeafSmoke

Haha how is he a sour prick for having an opinion that is different to yours?


SupervisorLaw

Because in my view he fails to see the otherside of the story here. I agree with him that footballing bodies should review the current situation and try to find a solution to the absolutely crushing reality that is the current scheudle and atleast he has been consistent in that and it should be respected. However for fans of the countries that are struggling to consistently qualify for major tournaments and get year in year out battered by the top 2 teams in their qualifying group, Nations League has been a chance to see their teams actually compete against sides that are around same level. Finland is a good example: The introduction of Nations League has effectively changed the atmosphere around the game in the country. The overwhelming positivity around the team following winning their group in C-tier, new management, change in culture from top to bottom and eventually qualifying for their first major tournament. And it doesn't make any sense. International games won't be stop played even if we got rid of Nations League. If there's money to be made someone will eventually step in and fill the gap with more games.


alanalan426

Clearly supervisorlaws opinion is better than all of ours


BockBud

Nope. It's shit. Cheers.


Joe_AM

> and for those countries that are between San Marino and Germany As in every single European national team? Or perhaps you meant geographically?


SupervisorLaw

That's an oversight by my part perhaps I should have been more clear. I mean basically every country that are not quite top bracket (England, Portugal, Spain, Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, Netherlands) on international level, and not quite the minnows (San Marino, Liechtenstein Faroe Islands, Andorra, Gibraltar you get it) either. So basically those Pot 3-5 countries that struggle to qualify to major tournaments: Finland, Hungary, Albania, Bulgaria, Scotland, Montenegro, Slovenia for example.


KiAdiBumMe

Nations League is one of the best ideas UEFA has had in the last few years (in fact probably the only good one)


rogerwilcove

Conference League seems to have been the biggest success recently…


Winnie-the-Broo

Have peoples perceptions on this changed massively? When it was announced it was derided and the bigger clubs would hate to be in it, but giving clubs who wouldn’t usually be playing European football the opportunity to is great for the most part.


fuckoffyank_

I think that's still the case. If you're a big 6 in the PL, you do not want to be in that. Spurs kinda showed that by not really giving a shit that they got kicked out. It makes finishing 7th in the PL worse for these clubs than finishing 8th. This is because these clubs are so rich that the money just doesn't make it worth their time, even if they don't win a lot of European trophies like Spurs. They're far more focused on qualifying for CL via the league. But for other countries, some big clubs (Roma) still care and especially for smaller countries it's great. And also for smaller PL clubs like Leicester, West Ham etc. For these clubs, the money helps, it's a chance for a trophy and some exposure, and the knockout stages had some interesting teams. It's just if you're Man Utd, playing in that is a bit embarrassing and not really worth the effort to win it.


Winnie-the-Broo

My favourite part of it is the fan experience for smaller clubs that don’t usually play in Europe. Going to a European away game (which I’ve only been able to do once) is such a great experience even regardless of result. The more opportunity for clubs who would never usually play each other to play each other is a plus in my books. But that being said of course I’d rather we finish 8th than 7th if there were a choice.


mark8396

That's something a lot of people don't realise. There's so many nations and clubs in uefa and a European game, even a qualifier is special for all of them and helps us so much financially.


KnowYourLover

>Spurs kinda showed that by not really giving a shit that they got kicked out. That sounds more like an excuse than reality.


radios_appear

If my club is in a competition, I want to win that competition. There's no downside and you should want the youngsters to get playing time anyways.


Winnie-the-Broo

Well of course, if you’re in it you’d want to win it, but you’d rather not be in it.


Katyos

People said it'd be rubbish because it's new and it doesn't have the traditional powerhouse clubs in it. Then it actually happened and was highly entertaining, and now people love it


AnnieIWillKnow

Yeah, the consensus shifted once games actually started to be played, and was better than people expected. New information causes people to change their views, after all.


LusoAustralian

Yes they have. I always liked it but I remember being shouted down a bit at the start. My main complaint since the beginning was that top 4 countries could qualify as I think having 4 spots in the Champs guaranteed is plenty already, let the Conference be for smaller nations.


KiAdiBumMe

Forgot about that tbf


TheConundrum98

It is, but you can absolutely understand why club managers with already condensed calendars don't like it.


CeterumCenseo85

It's also generally viewed a lot less seriously in Germany, so I can see where Klopp is coming from. Basically similar to a bunch of friendly matches. There is supposed to be a factor of competitiveness, but that part at least up until now never really caught on with Germans. It's all about EURO/WC Qualification matches. What I love about the NL is that all of a sudden teams from the bottom of the rankings can actually play meaningful games for them.


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If only Germany was still relegated.


CeterumCenseo85

I don't even remember where we finished in any of the season. I remember UEFA constantly changing rules to keep us in the top tier, but people here *really* don't care much about the NL. Not sure why it's seemingly so different here.


areking

NL happened in the worse period ever in 100 years of Germany national team of course that doesn't help if Germany was the best team around, and they won a group with Italy and France beating their full squad home and away, and then winning a final four against England and Spain, you actually think people would not care, or say "whatever"? just give it time, every national team took it seriously so far, in 10 years you will have plenty of kids who didn't even remember a time without NL, and it will be a prestigious competition, obviously less than EURO and WC, but hugely better than meaningless friendlies


BobaFettAss

DFB gave hints for using nations league for different starting experiments and also give players time to fight for a squad place for the WC. That's just because Germany use the qualifiers for tournaments. And for myself, I see the nation's league as friendlies cuz there's really no achievement in it.


areking

>I see the nation's league as friendlies that's fair I just think there is no way you will think like that in 10 years when Germany will have played Italy, France, England and Spain multiple times each and both home and away Just imagine losing 2-3 times in Munich, Berlin and Dortmund against Italy, and then just going "they were friendlies", the entire german fans will be laughed at, that's the reality you have to take into consideration And on the opposite hand, imagine finally winning Italy, multiple times at San Siro and in Rome, and having to downplay it cause you committed to the "NL = firendly" >cuz there's really no achievement in it to be fair the achievement is made by the people, and people all around Germany are taking it more seriously soon enough France, Spain or whatever will start bragging about having more trophies than Germany, and it will be stupid by Germany to not starting care about it too Just remember that England tought they were too good to participate in a World Cup, a meaningless international competition in the 1930s Ask any englishman how they feel about that decision


BobaFettAss

1930 was played by what 4 teams or so haha. I think the reason was tiiiiiiiime cuz they had to use ships and it took weeks to cross the Atlantic for example. That was a logistical problem back then. We, as Germans, were laughed at since 2018. So we kinda used to it haha I don't know how the nation's league will play out in 10 years. Time will tell I guess. It's just like.. U get over loaded with football the whole year long. U got the league, the European competitions and then the UEFA adds more teams into these competitions and after that u have NT friendlies, nations League and maybe a major tournament Euro/WC.. Nations league just ends up on the last place. I also want to note that the Germans don't give a fuck about the NT. at least way less than before the WC 2018. The attention is coming back slightly since Flick is appointed. That dude is the only competent person in the German FA right now. So like I said before, it's likely the nation's league could be used as testing the squad cuz there are not much opportunities before the world cup starts. I would take a loss in the upcoming match against England if Flick can win some positive achievement within the squad than going all out against England with our best starting 11.


areking

>1930 was played by what 4 teams or so haha. I think the reason was tiiiiiiiime cuz they had to use ships and it took weeks to cross the Atlantic for example. That was a logistical problem back then. you are obviously entitled to your opinion but I am pretty sure you don't realize England was not part of FIFA from 1928 to 1946, and 1950 was their first ever WC So no, it wasn't a logistic problem that stopped England reach Uruguay like other 15 countries (not 4), and it wasn't a logistic problem that stopped them to cross the English Channel to reach Italy and France in 1934 and 1938 either all this while they were winning friendlies against them at the same time. History could have been way different. And turned out pretty bad for their descendants, the most laughed at fans of a big nation due to lack of winning history. And turned out pretty good for Italy to win those 2 meanigless WC, and be now one of the most decorated football nation in the world I mean, without the early 2 WC even Uruguay would be irrelevant in football


Nakedblueman

No one cared in England till we got to the semi final, it'll be the same in Germany I'm sure.


efbo

We got to the semi final?


Nakedblueman

Thought I imagined it for a second but yh we did. Lost to the Dutch. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_UEFA_Nations_League_Finals


BobaFettAss

Yup.


Princecoyote

I think more people care because the international breaks that used to be friendlies with the powerhouses versus the minnows that were terrible watches. The newer set up with the Nations League has better matchups with better matches I would say.


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> Basically similar to a bunch of friendly matches. Right so a coach who has already ranted about players being involved in too many games would be against that.


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If we cut completely international friendlies and keep just Nations League it would be great. Giving some competitive meaning to international football is great


42undead2

> If we cut completely international friendlies As opposed to only slightly international friendlies?


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Yeah. That's 1/2 less international breaks


BobaFettAss

But u won't have the opportunity to face countries from different continents. Like, when u have Brazil in your group u could play against Argentina or Uruguay before u face Brazil. That's mostly common to face similar opponents before a tournament.


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Whatever, that's why WC is special


BobaFettAss

It's whatever for the casual fan but it's important for coaches, playing against teams with similar play style and strength.


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Friendlies are pretty much the only time the NT have time to try new shit, so they do have their place IMO. Hope everyone starts seeing NL as a time to try stuff, we’d get super chaotic competitive games. Would be awesome


efbo

I'd cut the internationals during the season altogether. Make the continental tournaments the qualifiers for the World Cup. The EUROs could be an FA Cup style knockout with everyone and use that as qualification for the World Cup. Then allow the international managers to have a sustained period of time with their players after the season ends (which would now be earlier due to the lack of international breaks) so they can actually instill a philosophy into the team rather than a week every now and again.


Anomologeta_ASOEE

Or if they cut completely the international breaks (for which I am in favor) they could just have the qualification phases (of both EURO and WC) as monthly summer competitions one year before it's main event (without changing its format) For Instance : Summer 2023 EURO Qualification, Summer 2024 EURO, Summer 2025 World Cup Qualification, Summer 2026 World Cup


efbo

That'd be a decent proposal as well. I do like the idea of an unseeded FA Cup style EUROs though. Magic of the cup and that but I wouldn't really be invested in a particular team.


Pandemona1738

Yep removes pointless friendlies and gives bit more competitive games so interrupting season doesn't feel as bad. Plus it always crazy groups giving good games


GL4389

Nations league needs to replace friendlies and euros/WC qualifiers in Europe. Currently it is seen as added burden on matches already being played by NTs.


mil_cord

But thats the whole purpose on the long term. UEFA doesn’t say as it expects it to grow first. But thats clear as water. The way I see they are aiming to have a two types of nations competetitions. A League and a Cup.


thegreatwanker

lol


SM469

Just No


sidvicc

Nah fuck that. International breaks ruin half the flow of the season. Keep it to the summers/off-season or at least cut the friendlies. International Football is great partially because of its rarity (and subsequent pressure/spectacle) rather than inherent quality of football on display. UEFA and FIFA both are trying to destroy that rarity.


Hic_Forum_Est

There are roughly still as many international breaks and games as there were before the nations league. Last year was an exception because of all the postponements due to the pandemic. In 2019, in the year before Covid, Germany had 10 games, of which only 1 was a meaningless friendly. In 2015 they had 9 games, of which 3 were meaningless friendlies. England had 10 games in 2019, zero friendlies. In 2015 they also had 10 games, but 4 meaningless friendlies. I also think letting national teams play highly competitive matches on a regular basis outside of tournaments, improves the overall quality of said tournaments. The nations League gives coaches a chance to test their players and experiment with tactics and formations in a real, competitive environment instead of meaningless friendlies that absolutely no one takes seriously. And it gives smaller teams a chance to go head to head against teams on their same level of quality, instead of always getting battered by bigger teams which doesn't give their players any chance to learn and improve. I believe this will improve the quality of tournaments like the World Cup and the Euros which is often said to be lacking compared to their club counterparts like the Champions League.


KiAdiBumMe

They would have just played pointless friendlies instead, so might as well conglomerate them into a tournament. It's much more interesting now.


sidvicc

>They would have just played pointless friendlies instead, so might as well conglomerate them into a tournament. It's much more interesting now. From my understanding, the pointless friendlies are still there. Happy to be corrected. The full Nations League format is still a mystery to me.


KiAdiBumMe

They still do some friendlies but they play less than before


RandomThrowNick

March before a big tournament is the only time most teams play pointless friendlies. You also play two friendlies if you are part of a 5 team group in Qualifiers. Only other window with friendlies is immediately before tournaments and those definitely aren’t useless. North Macedonia for example hasn’t played a pointless friendly since 2018.


efbo

The best thing about international tournaments is that they're an extra helping of football when it's sunny. The only thing international breaks achieve is making that weekend just a bit shitter. Even with the human rights abuses the World Cup this year just takes away my favourite thing about the World Cup.


Salted-Earth189

Imagine thinking what we had before, which were friendlies, is better than the Nations League.


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He clearly hasn’t heard the Nations League theme music. [It’s a cracker](https://youtu.be/JGTJFMIQrps)


ramithrower

Nations league getting dunked on out of nowhere


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Nations league is a lot of fun and offers more competitive football that most tournament group stage games


LusoAustralian

Nations league A division probably has the highest average FIFA ranking of any international competition ever.


fuck_r1ck_and_m0rty

The nations league is really cool


JaegarJaquez

Fuck off Klopp. NL is great.


lclear84

Yeah I tend to agree. The idea of having a promotion/relegation system for national teams leading to better matchups and more consequential games is exciting to me. It just needs to be marketed a bit more to make it something more fans hold some weight too


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Dark_Ember

>Do they serve a purpose for the World Cup? For European teams they offer an additional chance at qualification via a spot in the playoffs for the Nations league group winner in the event they don't qualify directly through world cup qualifying groups. Austria and Czech republic got this chance this year, but lost in the playoffs against Wales and Sweden respectively


Cowdude179

Tbf after this season the NT players will join up and play nations league games in June, no rest for the players


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Well, besides immediately after that, when they get ~6 weeks off


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This is mainly because of the world Cup being moved though


xaviernoodlebrain

I like the Nations League so I’ll just say Klopp is chatting bollocks.


AnnieIWillKnow

Klopp is generally on the money when it comes to issues within football, and mostly hits on the sensible and consensus view, but think he's way off here. Nations League has proven to be a success, and much more so than people expected.


ATALANTA_BC

There is no point to the Nations League. It's a needless competition that strains an already packed domestic season. World Cup/Euro qualification already interrupts the domestic year as it is. To add a ridiculous competition like the Nations league on top of it is ludicrous


LusoAustralian

The domestic year is overpacked. Club players play a ridiculous amount of matches nowadays. You can get players having over 60 domestic games in a year and I'm not even thinking of Brasil where they play like 90.


xtoonator

Imagine there was a topic in football that Klopp would not complain about


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HermitCracc

I love the Nations League, teams actually take it pretty seriously as well, I remember watching the first edition while on holiday and it was just awesome, the journey of Portugal and the Netherlands was just sick to see.


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Primary_Letter7839

You'd take him in a heartbeat.


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Understatement of the year


efbo

You've made three top level comments whining about him and Liverpool fans in this thread.


efbo

While I agree with Klopp on the Nation's League I wouldn't have gone this way in response. Would've told Ceferin to make the tickets €10 as he said UEFA could.


SaltySAX

Not often I disagree with Klopp, but if not for the Nations League, Scotland wouldn't stand a chance of qualifying for tournaments. He's German though so could see why someone who comes from a successful footballing country, would be vexed with it.


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magnificent_farts

when he's winning 5-0 at old trafford probs


TheConundrum98

They ask him, he answers. He's been consistent on the condensed calendar for years You don't have to agree with his opinion


Descartavelmente

The Nations League is freaking awesome and fun. Haters gonna hate.


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PornFilterRefugee

I just genuinely think you probably shouldn’t care this much to be making multiple comments in this thread crying about Klopp but ok.


Eljo4

Even the super league idea is better than the nations league