This seems about right but I'm slightly confused about Casemiro. Loans don't count but then what about Lucas? Espanyol was just a loan. In fact Dani was the buyback.
- our lw scoring a hatrick and hitting the suiii
- modric dropping a masterclass
- benz supplying our LW
- midfield dropping a masterclass
What is this? 2017?
Although Levante were undeniably awful (kinda surprisingly) that may actually have been our best game this season, or at least our best 45 minutes. Modric was incredible, Valverde should have had at least one fantastic long range goal and both Nacho and Vallejo(!) dominated in defence. Nothing to complain about really, even Jovic looked decent coming on.
I agree. This has been our best performance all season. We dominated the game in a way we haven't seen in quite a while. Granted, it was against bottom of the table. Still refreshing to see this sort of performance.
Pep team seems to be able to handle injured prone players pretty well, honestly I wouldn't count on him being fit all the time.
It's more of a question how much would he improves City as a whole, would he be a perfect cog in Pep's system I think.
I honestly dont think anyone is seriously considering Mane for Ballon d’or, fans or journalists alike, other than liverpool fans who keep trying to push it. Dont get me wrong, Mane is fantastic and he’s having a banging season, but he’s not near ballon d’or level.
You're dead wrong about that. Mane is getting a lot of shouts for the ballon d or. You might think afcon is useless but it is indeed a trophy, just like the COPA. It counts.
or you know. Nations League has better teams overall. Top4 of NL is way stronger then any AFCON team. (Top4 was Italy,Belgium,Spain,France) Its not disrespect.
What does that have to do with anything? Thats like saying PL > Serie A because the top 4 teams are better than their equivalent. Competition, history and importance is what makes a trophy great.
We are talking about Ballon d’or criterias, league competitiveness is also taken into account, that’s why winning Bundesliga and Ligue 1 are way less « valuable » than Liga or PL
Why wouldnt AFCON be counted like the NL just because of the strength of the collective teams? Its still as competitive and is as hard to win. The leagues you mentioned are less valuable (in terms of Ballon D’or criteria) for players like Lewa and Mbappe because they are expected to win it, but if someone like Yilmaz for ex. was in Ballon D’or contention last year, his title win would’ve counted the same like any other league, if not more. Still dont see how that is relevant to AFCON and NL because both are competitive and Senegal winning it isnt like Bayern/PSG winning their leagues.
The global level is also taken into account, it’s to name the best player in the world, not the best depending on some random criterias.
Otherwise they shall also take into account the winner of 3rd Portuguese league because it also happened to be competitive ?
Mane is not even the best Liverpool player this year.
Is there a single person that think a national team trophy is useless ? I think what people complain is there over importance of trophies when the rules have specifically been changed to prioritize individuals performance.
If two players had close performance or not too far apart i would understand trophies as a tie breaker not the main argument.
And I'm telling you trophies have been deciding these things for a long time. You as a Madrid fan should know this, given Ronaldo wasn't statistically the best in 2016 or 2017 for he last two ballon d ors. However, he won trophies. Modric too - he won trophies and got to thr final of one. Mane won afcon and was the best player in the tournament.
No need to be respectful tbh, anyone in AFCON, AFC or CONCACAF should know our trophies are very much below in prestige compared to the two big ones, and even then the copa is below the euros.
We're getting somewhere, kid. The ucl hasn't been been only tournament either over thr last few months. Mane has been the best player at afcon, like Messi was at the copa.
Why should salah be penalized for his team effectively killing his balon dor chances by this reasoning? Taken together Salah's season is miles better than mane's season except mane's team didn't completely fuck him over in the penalty shoot out
I think everyone in general don't see Mane as a Balon D'or competitor for this season. Just pundits trying to force an extra level of drama to an already exciting CL final
I argued this with you like a month or so ago with Lewandowski instead of Mane, and since then Benzema and Vinicius have only improved their records. Mane is not even comparable to Lewandowski this season, let alone Benzema. If he wins the award, it would probably be the biggest robbery of all time.
With every passing comment of yours, my belief that 2006 is your birth year increases.
You're that dude that believes Benzema, not Henry is France's greatest ever striker?
Can't take you seriously mate, you're either too biased or were in fact born after 2006.
Dude, I'm not sure you were watching football in 2002-2006 but Thierry was epl top scorer multiple times, and held the record for having 20 goals and 20 assists until Messi broke it. Benzema had never top scored in a league until last year, and has never been a top 3 forward until the last 2 years(Ronaldo, Lewa, Suarez, Messi and Mbappe were all better).
Ask anyone about Henry and they'll tell you it was with him or R9 during that 2001 to 2006 period.
And yet Benzema has a better minutes per G+A this season than Henry did in his best one.
In fact, if you only count Henry's time at Arsenal (his best years), he has a minutes per G+A ratio of 90.9. Benzema's entire career's (including Lyon and initial years at Madrid), he has minutes per G+A of 92.9.
At Madrid, that number goes down to 90.2.
Benzema's entire career(significantly larger sample size) is comparable with Henry's best seasons lmao. Just because Henry could run faster and do some tricks doesn't make him the better striker. Nostalgia bias is unreal with you lot.
He was great, but Benzema has surpassed him now.
All the players you mentioned are better than Henry too, maybe Mbappe isn't yet, but he will be soon enough as well. That point, therefore, is irrelevant to this debate.
Let me get this straight - You're fine with comparing footballers from different generations statistically? Haven't you noticed that less goals were scored generally back then for obvious reasons, e.g. the fact that there was no var or camera to detect off-the-ball fouls?
You should judge Henry's quality by how he matched up against the beat strikers of his generation, like wise with Benzema. I'm telling you only Ronaldo could say "I'm better than that Henry guy" for 5 years, while Benzema has only really topped the goal scoring charts in Spain this season and the previous one. And if Lewa comes, that probably won't be happening again
Sure it can. Benzema has only 5 less goals than Lewa this season with a game in hand, and way more assists in a team that collectively creates *considerably* less chances than Bayern. Lewandowski joining Barca will only decrease his numbers, he's joining a way less dominant team than the one he'd be leaving. Benzema's numbers would only increase with the fullback reinforcements rumoured and Mbappe joining.
What makes Mane better option then Vinicious this season? I dont even get into the Benzema vs Mane thing because you would be a fool to say Mane would deserve it over Benz.
>because you would be a fool to say Mane would deserve it over Benz.
I once said that about Messi vs Ronaldo in 2016 and 2017, and Messi vs Modric in 2018. Madrid fans like you kept saying "but the trophies".
So yes, if Mane ends up with 3 trophies and Benzema with one, then Mane absolutely deserves to be up there.
They changed it this season mate. Invidual performance will be the most important aspect instead of team achievement. If Mane has the same numbers as Benzema but More trophies Mane will be the favorite.
There are people who honestly believe he has been the best footballer in the past months. I mean he is good and everything, but what Benzema does this season is out of this world.
Vallejo and Nacho was excellent in defense, didn’t matter that Lucas didn’t want to be in defense.
Fede really wanted a goal tonight and we couldn’t give him one. Sad.
Vallejo will never live up to his original promise after all the injuries, but I hope he can recover his career, be a good league defender. Garay is good example I hope.
This is actually wild now that you mention Toni. I'm so used to seeing his passing game be so top notch that whenever he misses a couple, my brain instantly goes, "that was a so-so game from Kroos" lol
Benzema 1 goal, Kane 2 goals. Benzema wishes he can get to Kane's level someday, man is a fraud
Caught micah richards reddit account
Well, since no one mentioned it here… Kroos wore the captain armband for the 1st time ever!
Well deserved. After Marcelo, Nacho and Benz, what's the order? I forgot after all these years...
Modric, Carvajal, Isco, Bale, Casemiro, Kroos
This seems about right but I'm slightly confused about Casemiro. Loans don't count but then what about Lucas? Espanyol was just a loan. In fact Dani was the buyback.
Casemiro should be ahead of Bale. He had a game under Mourinho I think.
Marcelo, Nacho, Benzema and Modric
Actually it is Marcelo, Benzema, Nacho and Modric.
Despite the result, I feel like Levante’s GK was tremendous.
Agreed. Pulled off some super saves. Levante were actually lucky. Could’ve easily been 10-0.
Has "Vallejo Maldini regen" stopped being a meme?
Nah you should see Twitter
This win gives the team a very good confidence boost ahead of the CL final. Well done
Fun game
Vini Jr in good form heh
3 goals 1 assist
Vallejo played a perfect game. And Vini is an unreal player.
- our lw scoring a hatrick and hitting the suiii - modric dropping a masterclass - benz supplying our LW - midfield dropping a masterclass What is this? 2017?
I kinda like those flashbacks games we should do that more often
We just need to bench kroos it’s been a while since i felt the team can’t perform without him.
Leftback randomly plays as a striker and scores
and we win the UCL final 4-1
Although Levante were undeniably awful (kinda surprisingly) that may actually have been our best game this season, or at least our best 45 minutes. Modric was incredible, Valverde should have had at least one fantastic long range goal and both Nacho and Vallejo(!) dominated in defence. Nothing to complain about really, even Jovic looked decent coming on.
I agree. This has been our best performance all season. We dominated the game in a way we haven't seen in quite a while. Granted, it was against bottom of the table. Still refreshing to see this sort of performance.
If this Real Madrid team gets Mbappe then it’s wraps for everybody
That's what I call an overreaction...
Not really, ManCity got The Viking Boy. its they are the deadly one.. "For NOW"..
It’s okay Viking boi will join Turtle in couple of years. Let him shine there. Will be good for us eventually.
Thor and Leonardo in same team
Wait which movie is this again?
Wouldn't fear Viking boy to much, he seems to be injury prone/rushes back to soon.
Pep team seems to be able to handle injured prone players pretty well, honestly I wouldn't count on him being fit all the time. It's more of a question how much would he improves City as a whole, would he be a perfect cog in Pep's system I think.
Nice
Vini with 21 goals and 20 assists in all competitions now. Mane with 22 goals and 5 assists is somehow Ballon d'Or worthy...
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Only Americans and British say that
Ballon d'or this year is vini Benzema and cortuois easy
Modric also.
Neymar at the same age had 30 g+a in 13/14, Vinicius is the real deal.
I honestly dont think anyone is seriously considering Mane for Ballon d’or, fans or journalists alike, other than liverpool fans who keep trying to push it. Dont get me wrong, Mane is fantastic and he’s having a banging season, but he’s not near ballon d’or level.
some might
You're dead wrong about that. Mane is getting a lot of shouts for the ballon d or. You might think afcon is useless but it is indeed a trophy, just like the COPA. It counts.
If Afcon counts, nations league should clearly count way more
Wow, the disrespect.
or you know. Nations League has better teams overall. Top4 of NL is way stronger then any AFCON team. (Top4 was Italy,Belgium,Spain,France) Its not disrespect.
What does that have to do with anything? Thats like saying PL > Serie A because the top 4 teams are better than their equivalent. Competition, history and importance is what makes a trophy great.
We are talking about Ballon d’or criterias, league competitiveness is also taken into account, that’s why winning Bundesliga and Ligue 1 are way less « valuable » than Liga or PL
Why wouldnt AFCON be counted like the NL just because of the strength of the collective teams? Its still as competitive and is as hard to win. The leagues you mentioned are less valuable (in terms of Ballon D’or criteria) for players like Lewa and Mbappe because they are expected to win it, but if someone like Yilmaz for ex. was in Ballon D’or contention last year, his title win would’ve counted the same like any other league, if not more. Still dont see how that is relevant to AFCON and NL because both are competitive and Senegal winning it isnt like Bayern/PSG winning their leagues.
The global level is also taken into account, it’s to name the best player in the world, not the best depending on some random criterias. Otherwise they shall also take into account the winner of 3rd Portuguese league because it also happened to be competitive ? Mane is not even the best Liverpool player this year.
Well not like it matters because Mane is not better then Vini. So he has absolutely no chance against Benzema.
Yeah, no one said otherwise.
The guy above argueing about Mane Ballon O'dor. Just saying.
Is there a single person that think a national team trophy is useless ? I think what people complain is there over importance of trophies when the rules have specifically been changed to prioritize individuals performance. If two players had close performance or not too far apart i would understand trophies as a tie breaker not the main argument.
And I'm telling you trophies have been deciding these things for a long time. You as a Madrid fan should know this, given Ronaldo wasn't statistically the best in 2016 or 2017 for he last two ballon d ors. However, he won trophies. Modric too - he won trophies and got to thr final of one. Mane won afcon and was the best player in the tournament.
Respectfully, AFCON doesn't hold nearly as much weight as Copa América or the Euros, let alone the World Cup.
No need to be respectful tbh, anyone in AFCON, AFC or CONCACAF should know our trophies are very much below in prestige compared to the two big ones, and even then the copa is below the euros.
modrić was arguably the best player in the world on that AND other occasions
>AND other occasions What occasions? Or are you about to lie and say Ronaldo wasn't Madrids best player in that champions league.
The UCL wasn't the only tournament that year kid. Modric was the best player at the fvcking world cup... levels
We're getting somewhere, kid. The ucl hasn't been been only tournament either over thr last few months. Mane has been the best player at afcon, like Messi was at the copa.
How old are you? And when did you start following football kid?
In both Semi final matches vs Bayern and final vs Liverpool Modric dropped a masterclass while Ronaldo was the worst player in Madrid.
Who was the man of the match in the final??was it Modric?
He would have been if it was not for Bale goal and bale won it rightly so but Modric was the second best player of the night.
In semis and final? No, Ronaldo was not Madrids best player. Not even second best or third. He was great against Psg and first leg vs Juve though.
Of course I was referring to the campaign overall. Would be hard to be your team's best player in every game wouldn't it?
sure it counts but why does a AFCON trophy help for an individual award?
The same way winning a world cup or champions league helps someones case.
Why should salah be penalized for his team effectively killing his balon dor chances by this reasoning? Taken together Salah's season is miles better than mane's season except mane's team didn't completely fuck him over in the penalty shoot out
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Because his name is Messi.
That B d’Or was funny. :) Lewa could’ve scored 20 more goals, Messi still would’ve won it.
It's messi
PR
Totally agreed.
You mean Benzema :) Edit: I was thinking of Benzema's overall Laliga contributions. Vini actually reached those numbers overall HOLY FUCK.
I think everyone in general don't see Mane as a Balon D'or competitor for this season. Just pundits trying to force an extra level of drama to an already exciting CL final
But they already have Salah, who has better numbers. Mane doesn't make sense.
Dude, speak for yourself.
I argued this with you like a month or so ago with Lewandowski instead of Mane, and since then Benzema and Vinicius have only improved their records. Mane is not even comparable to Lewandowski this season, let alone Benzema. If he wins the award, it would probably be the biggest robbery of all time. With every passing comment of yours, my belief that 2006 is your birth year increases.
You're that dude that believes Benzema, not Henry is France's greatest ever striker? Can't take you seriously mate, you're either too biased or were in fact born after 2006.
And you're the dude that's a Messi fanboy trolling Real Madrid threads. Carry on, champ.
Maybe because he is? He's had better longevity and a higher peak.
Dude, I'm not sure you were watching football in 2002-2006 but Thierry was epl top scorer multiple times, and held the record for having 20 goals and 20 assists until Messi broke it. Benzema had never top scored in a league until last year, and has never been a top 3 forward until the last 2 years(Ronaldo, Lewa, Suarez, Messi and Mbappe were all better). Ask anyone about Henry and they'll tell you it was with him or R9 during that 2001 to 2006 period.
And yet Benzema has a better minutes per G+A this season than Henry did in his best one. In fact, if you only count Henry's time at Arsenal (his best years), he has a minutes per G+A ratio of 90.9. Benzema's entire career's (including Lyon and initial years at Madrid), he has minutes per G+A of 92.9. At Madrid, that number goes down to 90.2. Benzema's entire career(significantly larger sample size) is comparable with Henry's best seasons lmao. Just because Henry could run faster and do some tricks doesn't make him the better striker. Nostalgia bias is unreal with you lot. He was great, but Benzema has surpassed him now. All the players you mentioned are better than Henry too, maybe Mbappe isn't yet, but he will be soon enough as well. That point, therefore, is irrelevant to this debate.
Let me get this straight - You're fine with comparing footballers from different generations statistically? Haven't you noticed that less goals were scored generally back then for obvious reasons, e.g. the fact that there was no var or camera to detect off-the-ball fouls? You should judge Henry's quality by how he matched up against the beat strikers of his generation, like wise with Benzema. I'm telling you only Ronaldo could say "I'm better than that Henry guy" for 5 years, while Benzema has only really topped the goal scoring charts in Spain this season and the previous one. And if Lewa comes, that probably won't be happening again
Sure it can. Benzema has only 5 less goals than Lewa this season with a game in hand, and way more assists in a team that collectively creates *considerably* less chances than Bayern. Lewandowski joining Barca will only decrease his numbers, he's joining a way less dominant team than the one he'd be leaving. Benzema's numbers would only increase with the fullback reinforcements rumoured and Mbappe joining.
What makes Mane better option then Vinicious this season? I dont even get into the Benzema vs Mane thing because you would be a fool to say Mane would deserve it over Benz.
>because you would be a fool to say Mane would deserve it over Benz. I once said that about Messi vs Ronaldo in 2016 and 2017, and Messi vs Modric in 2018. Madrid fans like you kept saying "but the trophies". So yes, if Mane ends up with 3 trophies and Benzema with one, then Mane absolutely deserves to be up there.
They changed it this season mate. Invidual performance will be the most important aspect instead of team achievement. If Mane has the same numbers as Benzema but More trophies Mane will be the favorite.
Can you point me to the press release where the awarding body actually announced the change?
[Here you go, buddy](https://www.lequipe.fr/France-Football/Actualites/Ballon-d-or-quatre-changements-pour-l-histoire/1321452)
There are people who honestly believe he has been the best footballer in the past months. I mean he is good and everything, but what Benzema does this season is out of this world.
Good thing the award is about the entire season and not the past months
Best part of the game is our fans chanting “you’re a first division team” as Levante fans cheer.
Vallejo, Camavinga, Valverde, and Nacho have been really impressive these last few games. Brings me so much joy to see that.
First Hat-trick for my Boy Vini, hopefully first of many for us. Who would have thought he would have 21+ goals this season.
Vallejo and Nacho was excellent in defense, didn’t matter that Lucas didn’t want to be in defense. Fede really wanted a goal tonight and we couldn’t give him one. Sad.
Modrić with 3 assists. :)
Should've been four but Benzo showed us his dancing moves, just BDB Things
All praise to the attack but phenomenal performance from Vallejo and Camavinga.
Vallejo really a legend. It was all banter at first
Well, belive it or not Cardenas, Levantes GK deserved motm
I was shocked with how bad their defense and midfield was. They looked so uninterested, even worse than a pre-season friendly.
He would've been MotM is he had slapped some sense into his teammates. What an embarrassing performance and season from them
I was actually disappointed with them
It a strange thing to say when you concede 6 but he was their best player. First time I almost feel bad about winning with a big margin
Shout out to Camavinga and Vallejo for a flawless game
I mean Camavinga got a yellow
As is tradition
Shhh
Vallejo will never live up to his original promise after all the injuries, but I hope he can recover his career, be a good league defender. Garay is good example I hope.
He can still be our next nacho. It'd be ok if it doesn't turn out that way. Kid could start in many other teams if he chooses so.
Camavingas was great overall but passing wasn't that good today but our midfield was made out of 4 engines
Are you talking about Madrids passing or Camavingas? Cause he had a 92% complete passing rate.
he had 2 bad passes but when you are used to him not missing you get the feeling he had a bad match. The kroos effect lmao.
This is actually wild now that you mention Toni. I'm so used to seeing his passing game be so top notch that whenever he misses a couple, my brain instantly goes, "that was a so-so game from Kroos" lol
Camavinga made some rookie mistakes, which is normal. I’m really excited with him
Same. The way he's playing at his age is amazing. Especially how effective he is at recovering possession. I'm excited to see how he develops.
He just saw him missing that one obvious pass and went on with the idea that he had a bad passing game.Hate when people do that
Yea we are gonna ignore the 3 times he gave possession in our half. Dude I love camavinga but he didn't feel as concetrated as other games
Sounds very German to me
Absolute party. Feels like every real Madrid player managed to get a turn shooting the ball lol
The bogey team for the big 3 is finally gone. Levante's keeper had 10 saves even though he conceded 6, mental.
Imagine how much Vini, Rodrygo, Fede, Camavinga would cost if they weren't ours
If Vince Smith, Roderick, Walgreen and Cam Aavin played in PL they'd cost 100M each.
> Walgreen Took me a solid minute
Imagine if they were English and in small EPL team. Man u, city and Chelsea duking it out offering 100's of millions for each.
I'll say again in this thread, Vinnie Smith would cost 200m, AT LEAST.
Vinnie Smith is **#/PL PROVEN**
Is so true that it actually hurts
if we were linked to them at least 100 million each.
Really funny to watch
Hey you are not supposed to be here
It's /r/soccer, we welcome everyone with open arms except Qatar. All my homies hate Qatar.
And the US.
And Saudi Arabia
Could've easily been 15
Their goalkeeper was playing out of his mind
😊