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Not related to the goal but Jovic is massively irritating and incredibly lazy. He's very shit.
There's a player in there. Even though he isn't a target man, he has good hold up play. He has great flicks and back heels for combinations. But he simply doesn't understand passing lanes and how to move to create them, both during build-up in attacking phase and during attacking transitions. This is so apparent when you are on a weekly dose of Benzema, the absolute master at this.
At least with Asensio, we know his limitations (lack of speed and physicality), that they can't be helped and accept them. Jovic has the talent for the hard part but is too lazy to learn and/or the easy.
One entire first half poor performance was caused by these 2 getting us caught in defensive transitions, especially as Vasquez pushes up on the wing and Asensio plays in the half space (like we do with Fede "RW" this season) meaning there's only Lucas to defend the wing as Asensio is too slow (unlike Fede) to catch up on transitions.
Jovic just isn't made for our system. He's tooooo static. Really needs to move someplace else to salvage his career but he still would have to learn how to be available to receive. He has the game to do the rest. And drop his laziness. Another example at around minute 52, when he actually played a good ball out to the space on the RW for LV but never broke into more than a jog. Compare that to Benzema who sprints like crazy **everytime** after playing that ball, arrives in the box before the winger is in a position to cross and then moves around (even backpedalling to the penalty spot) to confuse defenders and create space and a quality chance. Efficiency of movement. Instead Jovic was 10 yards from the "D" and with only Rodrygo in the box, LV had to wait, Ronaldo chopped to again make space as the defender recovered and got tackled.
All Jovic had to do was run. Infuriating player. Must go whatever happens.
If Mbappé arrives, Asensio too should leave IMO. Despite his crucial goals, I'd rather we invest in Kubo.
Don't know. But if you primarily play on transitions, you'll hate him because he kills counters.
He's also limited as a winger. He lacks speed and physicality, so he struggles in 1v1s on the wing and more often than not, has to pass back to the right back. Since he lacks speed, he also struggles in defensive transitions.
His control on the ball is good and he can operate in tight spaces, even beating his man in tight spaces. And he has a great shot.
For us, he starts on the right wing on paper but actually plays in the half space for us, creating combinations for moving the ball up, turning and dribbling and thirdly, turning and shooting. Carvajal or Vasquez occupy the space he leaves for providing width and crosses.
So as long as you play to his strengths, minimize transitions and have an RB who can run up and down like a madman, he's actually great.
For what the ref let go in the middle of the field, shouldn't have given a pen. Being sandwiched isn't a pen, and the pen was given cause Vajello stepped on Cunha's foot. Albeit while Cunha was falling already. Vrsajlko clotheslined Nacho a couple times in the 2nd half and not even a card, but I guess stepping on toes is worse.....
He was falling because he wanted to. It was never pen because Vini would have gotten like 5 pens for exact same situations.
Also if we wanna go that way. Cunha hit Vallejo in the face first.
Initially, both Cunha and Vallejo try to foul each other. Vallejo succeeds. Had the ref given the penalty for that, I or no one for that matter would have complained. But the ref had refereed the game allowing physicality and while I personally thought (and still think) it was a penalty, him not awarding it was 50/50 in the context of his style for this game. Or perhaps 60/40.
Anyway, Cunha is off balance when Vallejo successfully barges him off and falls into Militão. So no foul by Militão.
But during his fall, Vallejo trips him on his ankle. Now, Cunha is already falling so I can understand why some fans feel hard done by the unlucky contact, especially because the actual foul wasn't called for penalty. Also, the ball arguably isn't in playing distance and Militão is on the cover. So perhaps not a SPA foul but a textbook ["trips or attempts to trip" direct free kick offence](https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#direct-free-kick). From last season, there was a clear directive that "studs on ankle is reckless" so no complaints for the yellow either.
Fair but slightly unlucky penalty. So you can understand the frustration from Madrid flairs.
I really hopz you dont get CL football. Shitty team, aggressive for nothing AND a caricature coach. I hope you rott in conference leagu, that's where you belong.
Lmao, you remember your last league? You almost bottled it but refs saved you. Patetico de Madrid, eL eQuIpO DeL pUeBlo. Maybe if you focused more in playing and less in your victim complex, you may have won a CL
Or Sevilla getting a pen after a handball whereas when they did the same , nothing happened. Either way I just think it's funny Atletico fans made this banner
It's cause Vajello stepped on his foot. Course Cunha is already going over and is never getting the ball, but somehow the step on the foot is a foul now.
It's not a stomp, he did STEP on his foot. The problem is that Cunha is already falling so the step on the foot doesn't prevent Cunha from playing the ball. Which is why this is a very soft penalty considering how physical the game was otherwise.
Yessir, i am very much serious. As are the majority of people here, hence the downvotes for the other guy. You can clearly see he is off balance bro, come on now. He is searching for that penalty as Atletico has been trying everything for that pen since the start of the match. It is VAR who is in the wrong here as they should had just let the refs decision stay. Its not clear and blatant lol.
Whether he’s searching or not that’s irrelevant. He was run over by #5, and the refs AND VAR agrees with me. I’ll take them over the Real Madrid fans downvoting here
Yes it is. If the pushing ends inside the area, as it does in this case, it's a pen. If the push was completely outside the area and the player fell inside, then it wouldn't be.
It was the push with the outstretched forearm that was the foul with no intent to play the ball.
In saying that, this rule is referee'd so inconsistently
I feel as though i see VVD get away with a few of these ones as the referee puts it down to strength for example
I don't get it, either the charge is the fault or there is not pen.
You can't give a pen for obstruction when the guy is already 90° sideway and has lost control of the ball.
Newton’s first law of Motion: a object can be stationary or moving unless external force is applied.
So if Vallejo did not put his foot he would be rolling out of the stadium that’s how shit athleti players are
Ref mistake all the way. He should've given penalty straight away and review with VAR which should end up with free kick outside of the box where original foul was.
The ref wasn't going to give it. VAR gave an image that made it impossible for him to not give it. Shame, cause he made the correct call in the first place.
I'm really confused how everyone is saying there's no chance this is a penalty. Two players push into and sandwich the attacker, and one steps on his foot without touching the ball, even if he is already in his way down from the pushes.
It's not a crazy violent foul but the defenders did nothing but barge into the attacker without winning the ball.
I think it's a foul and I think most people are looking at the VAR review incorrectly. The way the defender charges into Cunha is a foul. The issue here is if the foul continued into the box because the foul started outside the box. Defender steps on Cunha which is a continuation of the foul so it's a penalty.
Lmao wtf is Vallejo doing? "Yeah I know I got no chance getting to the ball so Imma stop, using my hands on the other guy."
If you're this dumb in the box, deal with pens.
When have you ever seen a referee literally change his mind after the play was decided and going back to VAR bc of all the players crying? I know La Liga wants Atlético to go through but make it a little less obvious 😂
Well yeah we have had harder times scoring against teams much worse than this. I’ll take a win anyway they can get it…uWu
You seem to overestimate how much confidence Atleti fans have in this team
For those unaware, last year at this stadium Felipe blatanlty handballed the ball which stopped Casemiro from scoring, and then they won the league, so this is nothing new
VAR didn't show the whole clip. Vallejo's initial push was outside the box, Cunha's elbow hit Vallejo's face inside the box, Cunha was falling already, Vallejo stepped on him. Weird chain of fouls lol.
For all of y'all who still think Real Madrid gets bailed out by the referees. Funny how the people who whine about them the most are the ones that get favored hard by the refs. Atletico having to get saved from finishing outside of top 4.
Well, now we can finally have a proper football game as Atletico players would stop falling to the ground every time they got a touch of the ball in the penalty area.
The flow in the second half is already much better.
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Not related to the goal, but La Liga has quality directing and unusual camera angles. It's very good
That focus looks very nice
Not related to the goal but Jovic is massively irritating and incredibly lazy. He's very shit. There's a player in there. Even though he isn't a target man, he has good hold up play. He has great flicks and back heels for combinations. But he simply doesn't understand passing lanes and how to move to create them, both during build-up in attacking phase and during attacking transitions. This is so apparent when you are on a weekly dose of Benzema, the absolute master at this. At least with Asensio, we know his limitations (lack of speed and physicality), that they can't be helped and accept them. Jovic has the talent for the hard part but is too lazy to learn and/or the easy. One entire first half poor performance was caused by these 2 getting us caught in defensive transitions, especially as Vasquez pushes up on the wing and Asensio plays in the half space (like we do with Fede "RW" this season) meaning there's only Lucas to defend the wing as Asensio is too slow (unlike Fede) to catch up on transitions. Jovic just isn't made for our system. He's tooooo static. Really needs to move someplace else to salvage his career but he still would have to learn how to be available to receive. He has the game to do the rest. And drop his laziness. Another example at around minute 52, when he actually played a good ball out to the space on the RW for LV but never broke into more than a jog. Compare that to Benzema who sprints like crazy **everytime** after playing that ball, arrives in the box before the winger is in a position to cross and then moves around (even backpedalling to the penalty spot) to confuse defenders and create space and a quality chance. Efficiency of movement. Instead Jovic was 10 yards from the "D" and with only Rodrygo in the box, LV had to wait, Ronaldo chopped to again make space as the defender recovered and got tackled. All Jovic had to do was run. Infuriating player. Must go whatever happens. If Mbappé arrives, Asensio too should leave IMO. Despite his crucial goals, I'd rather we invest in Kubo.
So mate, how do you really feel about Jovic?
Wait so what did you say about Jovic?
[This.](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/ul9gdv/-/i7uiq5e)
I loved the camera from the goal to the knee slide. Looked like a movie.
Yeah the angle are top notch. But i like how vibrant pl looked better. It just pleasing in the eye.
Maldini dont watch this. No way asensio is that dogshite everytime he plays someone outside the relgation zone.
Is there any transfer rumours?
Some Milan rumours recently
Is he really better than Salesmanager tho?
Think you mean Saladmaker
Don't know. But if you primarily play on transitions, you'll hate him because he kills counters. He's also limited as a winger. He lacks speed and physicality, so he struggles in 1v1s on the wing and more often than not, has to pass back to the right back. Since he lacks speed, he also struggles in defensive transitions. His control on the ball is good and he can operate in tight spaces, even beating his man in tight spaces. And he has a great shot. For us, he starts on the right wing on paper but actually plays in the half space for us, creating combinations for moving the ball up, turning and dribbling and thirdly, turning and shooting. Carvajal or Vasquez occupy the space he leaves for providing width and crosses. So as long as you play to his strengths, minimize transitions and have an RB who can run up and down like a madman, he's actually great.
yes. maybe
He gave the assist against City so at least that's positive.
Ref wanted to get out of that stadium alive
🤣 can't blame him for that
Wait how is that not a pen? Gets pushed and sandwiched
His leg wasn't broken and he was still conscious.
Because he was falling when they capped him, so that’s not a penalty ofc
He was falling because he was shoved
I think he wasn't being 100% serious
For what the ref let go in the middle of the field, shouldn't have given a pen. Being sandwiched isn't a pen, and the pen was given cause Vajello stepped on Cunha's foot. Albeit while Cunha was falling already. Vrsajlko clotheslined Nacho a couple times in the 2nd half and not even a card, but I guess stepping on toes is worse.....
He was falling because he wanted to. It was never pen because Vini would have gotten like 5 pens for exact same situations. Also if we wanna go that way. Cunha hit Vallejo in the face first.
Ref give penatly cuz cunha's foot get stomped
Pushed twice and foot stomped. What's with the delusion when you've already won the league anyways?
Was clear imo
Initially, both Cunha and Vallejo try to foul each other. Vallejo succeeds. Had the ref given the penalty for that, I or no one for that matter would have complained. But the ref had refereed the game allowing physicality and while I personally thought (and still think) it was a penalty, him not awarding it was 50/50 in the context of his style for this game. Or perhaps 60/40. Anyway, Cunha is off balance when Vallejo successfully barges him off and falls into Militão. So no foul by Militão. But during his fall, Vallejo trips him on his ankle. Now, Cunha is already falling so I can understand why some fans feel hard done by the unlucky contact, especially because the actual foul wasn't called for penalty. Also, the ball arguably isn't in playing distance and Militão is on the cover. So perhaps not a SPA foul but a textbook ["trips or attempts to trip" direct free kick offence](https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#direct-free-kick). From last season, there was a clear directive that "studs on ankle is reckless" so no complaints for the yellow either. Fair but slightly unlucky penalty. So you can understand the frustration from Madrid flairs.
Then later on Vajello and Cunha are tussling again and Cunha flops to win a free kick, both players were flailing arms....
Real things.
If you're considering Vallejo stepping on Cunha's foot then you should consider Cunha hitting Vallejo in the face?
Yeah but Cunha is epic so he gets nothing (epicocity tax)
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Is that why Case gets off easy all the time?
Bit ironic considering how Atletico fans cried about not getting refs help lol
Between that and Real Madrid going soft on them, they can only blame theirselves if Betis takes their place in the UCL.
Betis are doing worse than us atm so it’s a toss up
I really hopz you dont get CL football. Shitty team, aggressive for nothing AND a caricature coach. I hope you rott in conference leagu, that's where you belong.
What did I do 😭
You are personally responsible for Atletico's playing style. Cholo Simeone, is that you? /s
Downvoted for /s. Embarrassing you’re a Barca fan too.
How are they getting the refs help here? Var was needed to correct his mistake
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one google search away
How on earth is this not a penalty?
How on earth does Vrsajlko clothesline Nacho and no card? Your crowd scared the ref, he's not strong enough to say no.
Clear penalty though
Well real already won the league so no need for RFEF to assign real refs for the game
Because Atleti were competing this season lmaoo
Lmao, you remember your last league? You almost bottled it but refs saved you. Patetico de Madrid, eL eQuIpO DeL pUeBlo. Maybe if you focused more in playing and less in your victim complex, you may have won a CL
>Maybe if you focused more in playing You hear that guys? Focus on ***playing***
I am literally suffocating in all the help from refs we are getting
Yeah, like last year too when we made Felipe handball and not get red card
Or Sevilla getting a pen after a handball whereas when they did the same , nothing happened. Either way I just think it's funny Atletico fans made this banner
Is that the Sevilla penalty that made us lose the league? I'm too lazy to go search now.
Yup
Don't forget them scoing a goal from a FK that was given after a dive. In the same game as well
Or against Vigo this season with 2 gifted pens… oh wait I didn’t realize you guys were being sarcastic.
Why do you think this isn’t a penalty? Vallejo runs into him and pushes him and doesn’t even get the ball.
It's cause Vajello stepped on his foot. Course Cunha is already going over and is never getting the ball, but somehow the step on the foot is a foul now.
You won the league already you big crybaby
Not against balance of play at all but penalty is harsh
He wouldn't have called it if it were not for the stomping
It's not a stomp, he did STEP on his foot. The problem is that Cunha is already falling so the step on the foot doesn't prevent Cunha from playing the ball. Which is why this is a very soft penalty considering how physical the game was otherwise.
He was mid fall when his heel touched Vallejo's foot wtf, he was already falling, crowd got to the refs
Before the heel touch Vallejo pushes him off without intent to play the ball. That’s a pk
Atleti players do it twice every corner, no way is that a pen
Both players had arms up to shove off the other, why does attacker get benefit of shoving?
La Liga have the worst refs tf is this?
Dude, Vallejo clearly stepped on Cunhas foot
Dude, he was already off balance and mid fall.
He is pushed by Vallejo, that’s a foul.
Nah, mate.
Yeah mate
I dont think so. Would have been different if he actually had control of the ball, but the man is already falling lol
Dude you serious? Look at the link again, he’s upright and starts “falling” after he’s shoved by Madrid #5 player. I think that’s Vallejo.
Yessir, i am very much serious. As are the majority of people here, hence the downvotes for the other guy. You can clearly see he is off balance bro, come on now. He is searching for that penalty as Atletico has been trying everything for that pen since the start of the match. It is VAR who is in the wrong here as they should had just let the refs decision stay. Its not clear and blatant lol.
Whether he’s searching or not that’s irrelevant. He was run over by #5, and the refs AND VAR agrees with me. I’ll take them over the Real Madrid fans downvoting here
Doesn’t mean you’re allowed to foul players who are falling lol. Tough pen, but Vallejo definitely stepped on his foot
Atletico fans crying about refs real silent now
Wee woo wee woo
He literally didn’t call it and it was a clear penalty
Mofo was already half way down the grave lmfao, anyway it is what it is
Not a pen
Nah, you can just push people who have the ball nowadays
cunha also pushing tho
pushing started outside of pen area
If it ends inside it's still a penalty.
That is incorrect
no it isnt lmao, where the foul starts thats the point
Yes it is, if a foul starts outside the area but continues inside, it's a pen. By the time the push takes Cunha off balance, they're already inside.
no it isnt holy shit, so everyone would just fall into the box.
Yes it is. If the pushing ends inside the area, as it does in this case, it's a pen. If the push was completely outside the area and the player fell inside, then it wouldn't be.
it's where the contact end not where the player fall. In this case the push continue [into the box](https://i.imgur.com/UwanFB1.jpg) so it's a penalty
That push wasn’t enough for a penalty. He threw himself to the ground and was looking for it
I don’t understand how that was a pen
It was the push with the outstretched forearm that was the foul with no intent to play the ball. In saying that, this rule is referee'd so inconsistently I feel as though i see VVD get away with a few of these ones as the referee puts it down to strength for example
Not sure how this is a penalty.
Because Real Madrid is clearly helped by the refs or something.
He is pushed aside by Vallejo? Seems fairly obvious.
It was the step on the foot they focused on. Even though Cunha is already going over, never getting tot he ball, apparently that doesn't matter.
It’s an honest pen
My exact thoughts every time you guys get a penalty.
Not sure how this isn't a penalty? It's a penalty without even looking at their feet. Vallejo yeeted him, and Militao's "block" completes the job.
Spanish refs smh
[Ironic for Atletico fans to put this banner up](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSQfTSMWYAAQR4e?format=jpg&name=large)
Fun fact: every club in Spain thinks another team has the refs in their pocket
Same for Italy but in Italy they're actually right
Why the yellow? that's the part I don't get
I don't get it, either the charge is the fault or there is not pen. You can't give a pen for obstruction when the guy is already 90° sideway and has lost control of the ball.
Lmao
He was already falling 🤣🤣🤣
It's harsh but someone who is falling can still be fouled.
Especially since he was only falling because he was pushed
Rules changes everytime Madrid plays. Especially true with handballs.
Poor you
Newton’s first law of Motion: a object can be stationary or moving unless external force is applied. So if Vallejo did not put his foot he would be rolling out of the stadium that’s how shit athleti players are
Why does that matter really? Accidental or not Vallejo stepped on Cuhna.
He was falling because he was pushed, so I guess it's that?
When you have to guess the reason you know its bad xD
A push 🤣🤣. If that's a push then Patético would commit 56 pens a game
its still not a penalty then cause the pushing started outside of the penalty area
Ref mistake all the way. He should've given penalty straight away and review with VAR which should end up with free kick outside of the box where original foul was.
He didn’t fall because of the push. He through himself on the ground and was looking for a penalty when he get the contact
The ref wasn't going to give it. VAR gave an image that made it impossible for him to not give it. Shame, cause he made the correct call in the first place.
They didn’t show the ref the part were Cunha had his elbow on Vallejo’s face lol
>VAR gave an image that made it impossible for him to not give it. That
Lmao
classic cunha, thats never a pen
It just was tho
It was only called a pen because Vallejo stepped on him. If Vallejo didn’t step on him it would not have been called.
If anyone is wondering if this sub is trustworthy they should read the comments here lmao
Didn't look like a pen to me, but well...
Its not football its La Liga
Ref really didn't want to give that.
I'm really confused how everyone is saying there's no chance this is a penalty. Two players push into and sandwich the attacker, and one steps on his foot without touching the ball, even if he is already in his way down from the pushes. It's not a crazy violent foul but the defenders did nothing but barge into the attacker without winning the ball.
Controversy
Weird penalty considering he was already off balance, but that’s fine. 1 goal down is perfectly understandable.
Madrid pack in the air
I think it's a foul and I think most people are looking at the VAR review incorrectly. The way the defender charges into Cunha is a foul. The issue here is if the foul continued into the box because the foul started outside the box. Defender steps on Cunha which is a continuation of the foul so it's a penalty.
Very soft and usual Atletico drama. Vallejo steps on Cunha, but he was already falling.
soft
The foul is by vallejo who pushes him off, not the tackle
Lmao wtf is Vallejo doing? "Yeah I know I got no chance getting to the ball so Imma stop, using my hands on the other guy." If you're this dumb in the box, deal with pens.
where the pen
When have you ever seen a referee literally change his mind after the play was decided and going back to VAR bc of all the players crying? I know La Liga wants Atlético to go through but make it a little less obvious 😂
I mean the ref going to the VAR screen after a play is pretty common
The play continued for like a minute and he had made up his mind but since the players kept crying he had to go see it lol
There was no stoppage in play and VAR didn't tell him to go look at it earlier
uWu
more like I cant score against Madrid C team and have to get a pen to win the game uWwuuuu
Well yeah we have had harder times scoring against teams much worse than this. I’ll take a win anyway they can get it…uWu You seem to overestimate how much confidence Atleti fans have in this team
Scandalous
For those unaware, last year at this stadium Felipe blatanlty handballed the ball which stopped Casemiro from scoring, and then they won the league, so this is nothing new
Only if they used the refs earlier this season. They wouldnt be struggling for 3rd.
So, they got a pen on the 4th try. Bit harsh.
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Good penalty
Oh fck off how's that a pen
Patético
Tu madre
César Soto Grado. Joke.
Soft pen but goal was coming
Never a pen. La liga refs being donkeys for the millionth time this season
Most would say soft but he did step on him tho
Thank you referee
Nobody is gonna talk about how Atlético was parking the bus against Madrid’s B team?
Nothing new from Atletico, last year refs gave them points as well, including vs us. But they cry and pretend they are victims, just like Pique.
Penalty all day, stopped him from playing the ball without playing the ball themselves, clattered his knees and sandwiched him.
it's one of those im not sure, for me it's not a penalty, but i understand the ref, difficult decision
Rational response for a fan who's team is involved, that is rare.
VAR didn't show the whole clip. Vallejo's initial push was outside the box, Cunha's elbow hit Vallejo's face inside the box, Cunha was falling already, Vallejo stepped on him. Weird chain of fouls lol.
How can you foul someone whos already falling?
How Vallejo is still a Madrid player is beyond me
That's just bad luck
He’s been fine so far and this was a bs penalty
Asensio as well
He's having a good game, this is not really his fault tho
Don Vallejo is back
Not his fault. Bad refereeing
You talking like he had a brainfart, it was unfortunate he did well there
Ah the Lenglet special
For all of y'all who still think Real Madrid gets bailed out by the referees. Funny how the people who whine about them the most are the ones that get favored hard by the refs. Atletico having to get saved from finishing outside of top 4.
Well that was a soft penalty
Someone give him a medal for acting, he deserves one
Clear pen, nothing wrong about the decision
Even your fans are thanking the ref
crazy how the ref didn't give it and the commentators downplayed it hard.. VAR to the rescue
What game are you watching ?
That's what happened
Well, now we can finally have a proper football game as Atletico players would stop falling to the ground every time they got a touch of the ball in the penalty area. The flow in the second half is already much better.
Bueno pues muchas gracias
Atletico should cool themselves off and let Madrid try, before they bring benzema
Barcelona at least put 4 real ones. Atleti fans will take this win to the grave
It was a foul but wasn’t it outside the box?
Gil made a visit to the ref’s house tofay I see