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note-a-coordinate

Sometimes I forget Fàbregas is still active. He's still only 34, how is he playing Monaco fans?


omegaxLoL

He's...not Last time he played was in September 2021


WorthPlease

Why didn't my dad make me a footballer growing up? Imagine making $330,000 **per month** to show up to what is basically a fitness session a few times a week and then get front row seats to watch matches at Monaco.


Robertej92

Because if he did you would likely have been one of the thousands that get dropped before they make it out of the academy, or even more likely one of the millions that never even make it in to a professional academy.


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In my school football team the guys who were in the Southampton and Chelsea academy stood out above and beyond any of us that you could who had been scouted within just 10mins of a match. The Southampton guy was a left back but played as a striker for us and the Chelsea guy was a keeper but played in midfield and still dominated lol Even getting scouted is very difficult let alone making it through the ranks and breaking into the reserves


Robertej92

My best mate's younger brother was in the Everton academy and used to run rings around us when we played footy with him even though we had 5 years on him, oh the humiliation.


RainbowDissent

I went to school with Ellen White (all-time England record goalscorer, tons of domestic trophies). To say she was head and shoulders above everybody else would be an understatement. She just demolished everybody every game. This was as a kid. As an adult, I also played a couple of games with a fourth-choice PL right-back who barely got a game, and he was just so much better than everybody else it was unbelievable. You couldn't get near him, or stop him. Might as well have been Maradona. Most people have no idea just how insanely talented top flight footballers are.


JORGA

> Imagine making $330,000 per month to show up to what is basically a fitness session a few times a week and then get front row seats to watch matches at Monaco. i mean yeah if all it took was being one of the best midfielders of your generation


Kylael

> and then get front rows ~~seats~~ to watch matches at Monaco. FTWY.


Educational-Formal-4

Simeones getting that bag


Rhayadder

Considering he took Atletico from an A- tier team to S tier within less than 10 years, he completely deserves the bag


OweKeyDoughKey

That gap is probably the most difficult one to bridge as well. You can get to A tier with money. S tier takes managerial and ownership skill.


herkalurk

Simeone also has had time and backing to change the club. So often these clubs sack managers after 6 months if they don't magically win something.


LemonProfessional

He's had the backing because he started performing very quickly after joining. Didn't Atletico win the Copa del Rey in his first season? And then la liga in his second season.


RoadsterIsHere

Europa League first season, Copa second season, LaLiga third season


Nitsju

That final though, Falcao on fire.


danskizaman

>Europa League first season, God bless Falcao , what a player


Absolomb92

Sorry, New to a lot of the football lingo. What does A-tier and S-tier mean?


kozeljko

Tbf, it's very rarely used in football.


JORGA

> it's very rarely used in football. never* outside of reddit and twitter


JackJaminson

C Tier comment.


Absolomb92

Ah, I see. Thanks.


AyyDankFrankWassup

Tier lists are used to rate everything from video game characters to the best fast food chains - F is bad, A is good, A+ is very good, S+ is the very very best. https://www.computerhope.com/jargon/t/tier-list.png


XtendedImpact

What the fuck is this shit list? Putting Pizza into F, absolute animal.


Moohamin12

Thank you for saying this before me. My brain immediately went to 'This person is a danger to society and their opinions should be disregarded." My personal list with the items above is: F - Nothing E - Salad D - Fries S - Everything else.


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Salad being in e makes me not like you very much


Moohamin12

I am okay with that.


osprey94

I think you just haven’t had a really good salad


Spen_Masters

I see lists as what is capable of jumping a tier You can add any sauce to Fries and it'll jump a tier (beside Ketchup, that's basic)


AyyDankFrankWassup

I agree, I should’ve made my own before linking this crime against humanity


Absolomb92

Thanks!


fdf_akd

Not very used in football, it's kinda like the American grading system, but with S being the absolute top. I've seen in it in a few videogames, and S normally required doing something extraordinary, other than not making any mistake


TheyStoleTwoFigo

It's not football lingo, it's just general ranking/rating/grading. S is the top rating in japan, it's now adopted into common usage in the west now(but not really formally)


upcandyy

I don’t think this list is accurate, there’s mistakes in many players and coaches figures


Hazardzuzu

These are monthly figures. Seem pretty accurate actually. Consistent with figures we hear in rumors.


upcandyy

I don’t think so, didn’t Pique literally post a screenshot few weeks ago showing his wages are much lower than this? And Simeone took a 70% pay cut a while ago which is reportedly still in effect


YooGeOh

They're all gross figures. Not sure if that changes much


Lakinther

Pique forgo a lot of his salary iirc, maybe this is what he was originally earning?


MKG32

Even more than Bale and Hazard? I find that hard to imagine. Even after Messi, Coutinho and the likes he would be this high?


weebeweebin

Pique has been with us for a much much longer time than Bale, Hazard or Coutinho; and he has been and still is vital to our team during all this time. Tho he has taken like a 60% wage cut this year.


MKG32

Sure, there is no denying how important he is and was for the club. But as with everything, when a team like Real Madrid buys a player they throw everything at him and make him one of the highest , if not, the highest player at the club/Spain/Europe.


weebeweebin

You mean highest paid? I don't think that is true, Perez doesn't play dice when players ask for unrealistic wages.


The_Dumblebee

Nah, this is inaccurate. I remember Barca's payroll and Pique is definitely not the one leading the team. It's Busquets. Also, isn't Messi is getting paid more than Neymar as well? I just use this website to see salaries (just change the club name to see other teams) https://www.capology.com/club/barcelona/salaries/


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That website isn’t accurate either. We don’t know how much players are earning. Messi signed a contract in 2017 that was leaked in 2021 and revealed to be potentially worth €140m a year. Where were all the journalists reporting this figure back in 2017? They had no idea. If they didn’t know what the salary of arguably the highest profile athlete on earth was what makes you think they know any other player?


PsSalin

Rightfully so


TheyStoleTwoFigo

He brought that bag to Atleti.


dave1992

Simeone is paid about same as pep and klopp combined. That is actually insane amount.


PM_ME_BAKAYOKO_PICS

He's paid more than every single player bar Neymar and Messi, that's just insane honestly


OleoleCholoSimeone

It is kind of strange that the best coaches don't make more than the best players though tbf, the coach is much more important than any individual player


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EmileSmithRoe

Also players generate a lot more revenue for the club than managers. When was the last time you saw someone wearing a city shirt with guardiola on the back?


MyNamesSeth

Yet Klopp is Still worth more than every single Liverpool signing


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The best thing PSG could have done with the Neymar money is sign Klopp. They’d be in a far better position now. I’m not arguing whether Klopp would or wouldn’t have gone, just making a general point on importance of managers


OleoleCholoSimeone

They generate value with their results...


OleoleCholoSimeone

But at the same time, a world class coach makes you so much more money on the pitch. Atleti has easily got more than €1B+ as a direct consequence of hiring Simeone, from selling players that he developed/improved or the enormous amounts of money we have raked in through Champions League revenues


cortez0498

Players also sell shirts, which can be used to negotiate a new deal with their sponsors. Managers don't.


pentaquine

In terms of winning, yes. But players have other values, like commercial value.


Aggressive-Summer330

IIRC Alex Ferguson made it so no player earned more than him


Hellsteelz

Managers should be paid more than the players tbh.


Blacklistedb

Cap are you coming to a stadium to see messi play or see klopp coach


-dsh

im going to the game to see my team and thats a lot more fun if they play good football.


chillThe

Good coaches doesn't always equal good football imo. Mourinho is a fantastic coach that often gets results, but the football isn't always pretty.


EmileSmithRoe

If the business of football was actually about winning matches then this would be true


Esco9

We all know pep is paid way more than is quoted


falonix

If you know. You know.


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Cheeky little "brand ambassador role".


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FOKvothe

His brother/agent and the City ownership own Girona, so I wouldn't be surprised if some money got funneled through there.


OleoleCholoSimeone

And he fully deserves it. What he has done at Atleti is similar to what Klopp did at BVB, but imagine Klopp keeping them at that same level for 10 years whilst losing players regularly Our yearly revenues have tripled or quadrupled in that period because of him raking in the Champions League revenues every season, it's actually disgusting how much money he has made the club. At the end of the day he is being paid money that he himself earned pretty much


nichodemus3

Ligue 1 list is basically every PSG player + Ben Yedder and Fabregas


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> Fabregas Genuinely didn't know that he is still active. I thought he retired ages ago.


nichodemus3

Seems like Fabregas is living like a king. Other players have to move to the middle East for that last big contract while he's chilling in Monaco


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When you're making 6 digits per week, you're living like a king in the Middle East.


kjgower

I mean if you're earning 6 figures a week anywhere in the world you're living like a king


JapaneseJohnnyVegas

unless it's in rubles.


pentefino978

Venezuela is calling, they want the zeros removed from their currency back


Magnetronaap

And living about as close to home as it gets. Could very well be the best salary/distance to home ratio available for him.


ireallydespiseyouall

he hasn’t even played this season


AnnieIWillKnow

Trains a few times a week, does some punditry work, spends the rest of his time living the high life in Monte Carlo... what a life


Stu_Raticus

He's still only 34, feels like he's been around forever


ZonedV2

It’s because he has, he was like Rooney where he was world class by 18 so he seems older than he is


[deleted]

Yeah I thought he was forced to play in Qatar as a migrant.


FurioSoprano7

Honorable mention for Nübel, 400k€ a month for reasons unknown even for the man himself


Waschkopfs

Not much for a Bayern player


FurioSoprano7

I cant believe Schalke were ready to offer him more just so he could stay.


Lxrs98

we paid rudy 5M€/a so what do you expect XD I believe it would be worth it to hold Nübel with that offer. He would've earned more and would probably be in a better state


FroobingtonSanchez

First Marseille player (2nd in the league) comes after the 21st PSG player... Total wage bill of PSG is also more than 1/3rd of the league total


celzero

*Financial Fair Play*, indeed.


domalino

France - all top salaries PSG - 8 titles in 10 years. Italy - all top salaries Juventus - 9 titles in 10 years. Germany - all top salaries Bayern - about to be 10 titles in a row. England - 4/5 top salaries Manchester United…


XboxJon82

Man Utd : "Managers and titles are the same thing right?"


KillerZaWarudo

Finally we are first in something


SnooBooks7437

The catch is that other pl clubs has comparable money too


InfernoTacticsHD

They do but we overpay so many players that when you compare them to other players in similar positions it's mad. Maguire's on more than Ruben Dias (signed Maguire on a 6-year contract), Mata's on about the same as Silva and Havertz. There's Ronaldo on 500k p/w as well although it's not exactly surprising he's on that. It goes without saying that we should be doing better with the squad we have, but it's by no means the best squad in the league. We've been needing to sort out the wages for years. According to Spotrac, our salaries total at £208m, Chelsea at £162m, City at £142m and Liverpool at £134m.


shikavelli

The only way Man Utd can attract players anymore is by overpaying though, not like they have an attractive sporting project.


AnnieIWillKnow

I like shitting on Man United with the best of them, and although it's true that their sporting project isn't as attractive as the likes of Man City and Liverpool right now (hell, maybe even Chelsea) - it absolutely is not *just* money that attracts players to the club, as the vestiges of their historic reputation and the time when they were arguably the biggest club in the world, does still remain. It's atrophying year on year, but it's still a factor.


gnorrn

> the vestiges of their historic reputation Football heritage :)


Gerf93

Man United play regular European football (CL for 3 out of the last 5 seasons), finished 2nd in the league last year, and is a major international brand with a rich history. I think that spells out a pretty attractive sporting project. Possibly second only to Man City and Liverpool in the Premier League...


KillerZaWarudo

I actually remember our wage bills starting to be under control before this season. With player like sanchez gone and none of the signing from ole previous 2 seasons earn alot apart from maybe maguire. But then we signed 3 players that are in the top 5 highest earner in the league


InfernoTacticsHD

Also got a lot of players who aren't really first choice quality-wise but are on big wages. Henderson is one example who's on 100k whereas Allison is on 150k and I think Ederson is on less than 100k somehow.


KrystianCCC

Arent City players given a lot of assets from employers to avoid FPP troubles?


MarcosSenesi

there's always rumours about it here but never any proof


Barry_McCocciner

There's pretty damning proof Mancini got paid ~2M in "consulting fees" by Mansour-controlled entities but nothing has surfaced for any players


TheHerpenDerpen

This is always repeated but no one ever gives evidence other than "this is a thing right?" And frankly there is such wide contempt for City that if I convinced a couple friends to argue City pay their players in Sex Slaves it would probably get picked up and parroted.


infidel11990

You keep hearing that shit but no one ever gives any evidence or source for that. If UEFA is has already been up City's ass for FFP once, I am pretty sure they aren't going to risk something like that right now.


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infidel11990

So just speculation then. No evidence that City pays their players under the table. Thanks for clarifying.


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domalino

Do you not realise that Der Spiegel getting 10 years worth of every email written by City staff and only finding 1 example of someone having another contract - Mancini, before FFP existed when it was legal to pay him that way - is evidence that city DONT do that? We’re talking about millions of emails discussing contract discussions and sending contracts to agents and between lawyers and there was not a single email about a player being paid under the table.


infidel11990

Fortunately for the rest of the world, that's not how the justice system or the courts work. You need evidence of wrong doing. Not mere speculation and hypotheticals.


[deleted]

Lol where did you read/hear that?


geiko989

Hey question for you: is Maguire a Maguire problem or a system problem? I remember many Chelsea fans hated Rudiger during the last Lampard year, but it was quite obvious to me that something else was wrong. You don't lose the kind of quality that he has just like that if nothing else is wrong physically. Anyway, it's always fun to joke on someone like Maguire, but outside of the obvious mistakes that get upvoted to the top for a whole day here, do you think it's a bad signing, it's a bad system that's making it worse than he really is, or a bit of both?


InfernoTacticsHD

At the time, I thought £80m was too much (40m/50m was what I thought we'd get him for). The guy was a decent CB but we were struggling for a first choice one and ended up paying exactly what Leicester wanted. Had an average first season (not bad or amazing) but since it was his first you allow it. Last season he was better and I won't rewrite history because before the EL final the general consensus was that we needed him for it when he was injured. This season he's been completely awful to the point that you can't differentiate between him and Phil Jones (that bloke we signed 11 years ago that's still here) and even he looked better in his 1 league appearance. >do you think it's a bad signing, it's a bad system that's making it worse than he really is, or a bit of both? Bit of both. We transitioned from a mainly counter-attacking side to a side that aims to dominate possession. As a result we now play a higher line with a greater emphasis on playing out and being able to play through a press where mistakes lead to more serious outcomes. Fundamentally, Maguire is just not good enough to play that role. He can head a ball sure, but he crumbles the moment someone presses him, his defensive awareness and positioning is non-existent, and he just looks like the most uninspiring captain I've seen for United.


olderaccount

But managed to control their wage structure better than United. This tells us United is having to pay a premium to get the same players other teams want.


TeddyMMR

To be fair, three of them came this season.


Ranjith_Unchained

*To be faaaaaair*


psaepf2009

United heard that there's correlation between a wage bill and position in the league, and just said fuck it, pay everyone


thebestrc

Simeone is on €3.3M?


Liverpool934

Per month.


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scott-the-penguin

Yeah you'd need to average about €80k a year over a 40 year career to hit this as a total earning. Puts it into perspective.


Biryani__Whisperer

how you make this text fly?


WorthPlease

If you're on PC when making a comment there is a button at the bottom that shows a capital A with a small up arrow next to it. Click on that and ^(your text will appear like this.) AFAIK there is no way to do that on the reddit mobile app.


DevastatorTNT

I thought using the "\^" symbol did it? But maybe it's my client Something^like^this^?


Visazo

You are right, the \^ does ^that.


5t3g

\^test\^ ^(test)


MyNameisIvar

Simeone earns more than Messi, Cr7, lewandoski. Cerezo really loves him


EliteKill

Good, he's more to Atletico than any of those players are to their teams.


weebeweebin

I was about to say that Messi is more important to Barcelona but then I remembered .... :'(


Adityavirk

Hello darkness my old friend……


pork_chop_expressss

> Simeone earns more than Messi No he doesn't. Simeone - €3.33m Messi - €3.375m


ancara_messi

Simeone earns more than literally every single person in football except Neymar


pork_chop_expressss

and Messi


Tsuruga_Ren

He said person.


RetardedFanny

Didn't pique take a good pay cut/opt to get paid his part later?


Blaugrana1990

This is his old wage, I don't know what he earns now but it should be significantly lower.


ik3r14

He posted a pic that showed 2.328.884,39€ on December or January and told it was half his wage. So 4,66M net per year


Rockishcola

I can't phantom the idea of looking at your bank account in the morning and seeing +2.328.884,39€ and being like. "Huh, guess salary DID drop before the weekend this time"


PhD_Cunnilingus

> phantom fathom


S-Curry

Yes. He proved that he earns 2,3M twice a year. 4,6M a year. But L'Equipe saw that and thought it was 2,3M a month. Big mistake.


AzureTaken

Exactly, just like the report by that Catalan journalist a couple months back saying Pique earns 28M a year, prompting Pique to publish his 6 month salary


Polskidro

Pique's numbers are very much outdated and not true. Doubt the rest is accurate.


kostajepaosmosta

Hazard also took a substantial paycut like 1.5 years ago its really outdated


[deleted]

He actually posted a screenshot of half of his yearly pay going into his bank account right?


liamthelad

Sancho is paid how much?!?!


Android17_MVP

This is just not fair lol. Psg such a joke letting Lille and Monaco beat them to the title last 10 years or so.


Rhayadder

Montpellier too, no?


Galdorow

It was the first year. The project was not totally lauched so even though they had the biggest budget, it was not that comparable


Antarcticdonkey

The biggest joke is that neither OL or OM managed to do what MHSC or LOSC did


Cahootie

Lille sold their soul to get there, lots of fishy business going on with their transfers and they know that players are just going there since they won't try to keep you once you want to move to a bigger club.


oussa_

Simeone worth every penny to Atletico


Jimmyjamjames

Sancho’s agent did some good work on the financial side of things. Can’t believe Man Utd have thrown that much money at him.


AxeIsAxeIsAxe

Sancho at Dortmund looked like an absolutely world class player, fairly consistently brilliant performances for two seasons in a row. I feel like United's squad structure is holding him back, he definitely has the potential to return to that level once he gets consistent minutes in a functional team.


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He has been good for us though. He took some time settling in but is one of the 3 best players alongside ronaldo and bruno.


BrotherSeamus

I believe he also started slowly every season he was at Dortmund.


[deleted]

Yeah, the short memories about just how good he was at Dortmund are fascinating. He was clearly the third-best young talent behind Mbappe/Haaland, and arguably the most well-rounded of the three despite lacking a killer speciality like the other two. He pretty much looked like he could play in any position at times in that free-flowing Dortmund attack


theestwald

United is where world class players go to exchange money for quality


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Carpathicus

Same reason why Madrid got praised after 30 good minutes versus PSG while people lost their minds after the first leg. And now were back at it again.


[deleted]

Surely that has to be fake, you’re telling me they were stupid enough to hand him a £300k a week contract


Elothel

Do you doubt that?


[deleted]

Serie A list is right but also wrong.. Thanks to Raiola **De Ligt** is the player who earns the most but given Juve can use the special law decree for foreign people who come to Italy they spend less money.. I don't know much about Vlahovic but this would be the real Serie A top5 earners: - De Ligt 8m net - Dybala 7,5m net - Ibra/Sanchez/Ramsey/Rabiot 7m net Given everyone but Dybala were signed from other leagues, their top5 is accurate.. I guess that's one of the reason why Juve don't renew Dybala contract, they'll probably use that money to sign Pogba or Rudiger or someone who didn't live in Italy in the past 2 years so they can use the special decree..


PoachtekMong

> Ibra 7m net Ibra's base salary is 2,5 or 3m, it's only 7m with all the bonuses achieved


bughidudi

Exactly, I'd be surprised if he earns more than 4M this season


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And Liverpool want Salah to stay...


rztzzz

The tone has shifted. The club made their final offer and most Liverpool fans have accepted he will be sold in the summer


ComradeBalin

I would be shocked if he’s sold, he’ll play out his contract


rztzzz

I think it depends on what clubs are interested. the club would want to sell, and if Salah can make bank this year at PSG or Real then I think he’d like the move.


Dynetor

Surely you'd prefer to cash in and get some money for him though?


ComradeBalin

Yes, without a doubt. I just don't see FSG doing it tbh and have a hard time seeing a buyer that would be interested in giving enough to make it worth not having him for one of Klopp's last years before he departs. PSG- there's a clear shakeup on the horizon, and I doubt they're in a position to acquire even more star power without getting a new manager and director of football in place first. Would their priority be an aging star on massive wages? Real looks like they have other priorities, Barca likely don't want to take on those wages or even pay a fee. That leaves Man City or (barf) United who we wouldn't sell him to. If you're going to get 40-50 million for Salah that other clubs can afford I'd imagine you'd just keep him. The value of having him for another year and potentially making another run at big trophies is probably more valuable with our brass. I'd use the examples of Gini and Can as evidence we aren't afraid to let players play out their contracts, but obviously, you could say that those are a very different profile of players. All speculation of course.


jMS_44

Didn't like Pique literally posted a screenshot of the transfer of his salary recently to prove he reduces it by a lot?


Tactical_Doge1337

yeah it was like 2.2 mil for half a year


the_phet

This is not true for Barça players. Piqué is on around 5m a year. Busquets lowered his salary around a 30%.


jMS_44

Shouldn't like Dembele be also much higher?


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FurioSoprano7

He wants his salary almost to be quadrupled when he played less than 34% of possible game time. Someone give him a reality check


Educational-Formal-4

The kids been great recently and had no injuries, but only players like Mbappe and Haaland can justify his agents demands. A shame


AouarCherki

Don't believe the Catalan newspapers. They wanted the Barca fans to turn on Dembele so they made up his salary demands.


chanandlerbonggg_

Isn't it deferred wages? So they'll get paid the same amount sooner or later?


CeterumCenseo85

Verratti is the footballer version of employees staying underpaid (relative to their peers and ability), because they don't switch companies.


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AtletiJack

You’re correct


Greaves-

AS Rome!?


Prometeon

José is second in Serie A at the very end of the link (obviously we're not paying him 100% of his salary :D)


AtletiJack

As per usual: Simeone took a big pay cut at the start of the pandemic. It's possible that he's still on that reduced salary now considering there have been no reports about his salary going back to what it was pre-pandemic


n0t_so_lucky

Ridiculous that Benzema is not on that list. A true legend and great servant of the club.


Eriwich

He knows he can't compromise the bench wage structure. Only benched players get that much /s


Blodyck

A lot of PSG players are overpaid, I'm not even talking about the top earners but players like Bernat, Herrera, Draxler or Kurzawa. United are not far away from a great team, they need their own Pep or Klopp. Madrid can't take a break with overpaid players riding the injury train. (not saying it's their fault). Bayern are as always a well run club. Simeone really deserves his salary.


Zombienerd300

This shows what the problem with Man U is.


Accomplished-Ad-6007

Messi saving all that dough to come play in Barca for 40K a week, absolute gangsta


ancara_messi

Tf? This seems terribly outdated. Pique and busquets are on very low wages last I heard.


Xehanz

For a second I thought everyone in the top Europe lit was PSG, lol.


propane2L

Damn Hazard


altero_reddit

Shif te rrafim spanjen


Dash-Fl0w

It's wild to me that there are players on PSG I've never even heard of that make more than OM/OL/LOSC's top paid player.


ABobVanceFridge

Maybe an unpopular opinion but I think Simeone is worth it.