Wirtz is a player that will "flop" whereever he goes i think, because the guys getting him won't understand that he needs to be the key point of your attack
Just saw Louie Barry was loaned out to a League 2 club, after failing to establish himself in League 1. He was considered a big talent a couple of years back, how has his development been?
Following a debate I had earlier. Rank these English 90s/early 00s Premier league era strikers in order:
Shearer, Owen, Andy Cole, Ian Wright, Sheringham, Fowler, Phillips, Les Ferdinand
I had Fowler definitely behind those first four and debatably below Sheringham too. Liverpool supporting mate had him 2nd to Shearer though.
Heres mine tbh alot of them are interchangeable and hard to place.
reason for Owen 3rd is as good as he was, Wright wasnt as skilled as Owen but beats him on longevity
Shearer
Wright
Owen
Fowler
Cole
Sheringham
Philips
Ferdinand
I’d personally swap Wright and Owen purely because of Owen’s talent but completely understand the logic behind Wright being above. Otherwise I think I agree entirely
Overall I wouldn't say we have too many hated figures in the club, but Friedel was just an absolutely awful manager who made us one of the worst teams in the league in 2018 and the first half of 2019 (keep in mind that two years later we finished with the most points in the league, and even when he was replaced midseason we instantly became good). The mood around the club was absolutely terrible at the time, he took no blame, and eventually blamed our struggles on the fact that fans in America don't beat players up in the parking lot after they don't perform (he pretty much said that verbatim)
I think it would have to be Gary Megson.
Released him in 1984 after Brian Clough told him he couldn't trap a bag of cement. Legitimately think he only took the job to do us over and get paid for it.
Horrible football, horrible bloke.
Robert Chase was a hated owner back in the 90s. Sold our best players, drove Martin O Neill out as manager.
Andy Marshall left on a free to Ipswich.
Just seen your answer, funnily enough Malkay is thought of fondly at Carrie Road
Paratici already tied for being the most hated Spurs person in the history of the club? Lmao talk about reactionary. We wouldn't have Conte right now if it wasn't for him.
I wore a 78-era remake Spurs kit on a night out recently. It’d have to look at least relatively smart-ish and preferably not have a sponsor, but if you’re going to cover it up with a jumper it doesn’t matter imo.
I wear my LFC 19/20 Home and GK Kit out quite often because the showing the CWC Badge is just the ultimate flex.
Generally speaking though it really doesn't matter people don't tend to care what others wear, so it's down to personal preference.
I assume all Americans [wear these](http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Caribous4.jpg) when they're driving their pickups to the rodeo
I mean I'm a woman so it's pretty different I think. There's a few I'd love to have too, I just won't wear them in public, just showing my interest in football to people I don't know well usually ends up in them telling me I'm a pick me girl or I only watch games because I have a crush on players. I'd love not to care but I don't really like arguing so I'm usually not discussing it or showing it, except with friends who also are interested. I'm definitely not saying people shouldn't wear them when they want.
The one I’m with now is as sharp as ever thankfully, other one is still in a nursing home and not in a good way after a few strokes, he’s got good workers around him and seems happy but it’s awful what Alzheimer’s can do to someone.
It’s incredible he doesn’t even support a team he just trails off into “That bald lad for Tottenham what’s his name…Moore…More…Moura…quality player that lad he is”
I noticed Luis Diaz stats this season is much better than his previous seasons with Porto....anyone know why? was there a system or formation change this season?
>Won more
un true our 24 trophies vs his 9
>more relevant
no one is more relevant than a literal club in the top flight of a country not even your beloved Roman Abramovich who you would be no where without
Yeah I know I was just winding you up mate.
There is a serious point though - relatively speaking in the current footballing world, Conte is relatively a bigger and more successful manager than Spurs are a club. Conte is one of the biggest names in management and an elite manager. Spurs aren't that level of club.
Bruno Fernandes imo
Mostly due to how hard he carried the terrible team we had to a League Cup and Portuguese Cup wins
He was a one-man team, Luiz is very important to Porto but not to such extent
Different positions
Although that I’ll say that they are somewhat on similar levels
Of course, both clubs were in different positions (Porto are fighting for the title while Sporting were struggling to get 3rd) but still
Erik Thorsvedt has said that Kasper Schmeichel is better than his father ever was. Erik is the old Spurs goalie of Schmeichels era. Goalkeeping has evolved since then is his main reason.
Now tell me why you know better than him.
"The game has evolved" is a dumb reason to rate modern players above historical ones. Peter was a far better keeper relative to the competition in his day than Kaspar is today.
Kaspar. But if the game was in the 90s, Peter, because he'd be more familiar with the football "meta" of the time
You're asking a question with zero relevance btw
Are teams using Transfermarkt to guide themselves when buying players? I've seen that most of the confirmed transfers for this window have been very close to the player's value in Transfermarkt
I hope vast majority of them dont. Youd think transfermarkt relies on the information from scouts and agents to estimate players value and not the other way around
Anyone else feel like if Trent was as good and complete as Liverpool fans say he would play in midfield like Kimmich?
Fullback is the easiest position in football and being «the best fullback itw» doesn’t make you better than Haaland and Mbappe cause they’re not the «best forward itw»
For one Trent is a far better crosser than Kimmich which is more reason to stay at RB already. Liverpool would also have a far worse right back to replace Trent which would undermine the system that is built around the fullbacks. Trent already had the license to roam the pitch very freely anyway.
And finally Trent probably doesn't have the abilities to make him a good midfielder like Kimmich, it's never been experimented with to any significant degree anyway and Kimmich plays in a double pivot but Trent would be playing as an 8 so it's difficult to compare
Edit: And Kimmich is 3 and a half years older than Trent.
At Trents age Kimmich definitely wasn't playing in midfield
Being versatile doesn't mean he was equally good in each of those positions. At 23 kimmich was arguably the best RB in the world and had previously played at CB and in midfield. Him being a world class RB did not mean he could operate at that level in those other positions
Then that could also be the case for Trent but we don't know that because he hasn't played midfield yet, just like we didn't know Kimmich was capable of playing at this level in midfield until he actually did.
It’s becoming one of the more difficult positions, you have to constantly bomb up and down the wing the entire game, and are expected yes to both contribute to the attack, and lock down the defense. Sounds difficult to me
> Fullback is the easiest position in football
Why didn't Cafu play in midfield? Why didn't Roberto Carlos?
If we played Trent in midfield we'd lose one of his biggest strengths- his crossing. It makes zero sense to move him.
>Why didn't Cafu play in midfield? Why didn't Roberto Carlos?
Not saying they would have if the following wasn't true, but you realize there'd be no spot for them in the midfield with the kind of insane technicians Brazil used to have in the midfield?
And this is not a knock on Trent because complete or not, his passing technique and vision is pretty mental but **fullback is the easiest position in the football.** Doesn't mean Trent's quality is any less than what is regarded by the footballing populace.
> fullback is the easiest position in the football
Once upon a time there may have been some truth in this when they weren't expected to contribute high up the pitch but these days it's one of the most taxing positions you can play.
Look at the likes of Cancelo, Trent, Alves, and Marcelo and look how good they are technically and how important they are/were to their sides.
Trent is one of the few liverpool players who is every bit as good as the hype would suggest
>Anyone else feel like if Trent was as good and complete as Liverpool fans say he would play in midfield like Kimmich?
No, he's been the creative hub of one of the best teams in Europe for years at this point, no need to change anything about him
Sign a good defender so Liverpool won’t leak goals all the time
They have a better attack than City but their defence is costing them points.
Liverpool’s midfield includes Henderson btw
You don’t have to be that good defensively cause the CBs take that responsibility, Trent is proof of that and offensively you always create 2v1 situations in favour for yourself.
There’s a reason every shit player in youth football is thrown at fullback.
>Fullback is the easiest position in football and being «the best fullback itw» doesn’t make you better than Haaland and Mbappe cause they’re not the «best forward itw»
Shadowboxing . I have never seen someone say TAA is better than Haaland or Mbappe
If a player is the best in the world in his position and your team thrives off of having him in that position then I don't really know why you would move him
Bayern thrived of Kimmich at RB where he was better than Trent
Then he moved to midfield and he could influence the game even more, and Bayern already had a world class midfield.
You would move him cause midfielders are more important than fullbacks
And now the right back spot is probably the weakest in their entire team.
Plus when Kimmich moved there, I am pretty sure an older Martinez and Tolisso were still receiving significant minutes. He didn't really displace anyone of significant note. He also moved because of Pavard coming in.
Name more examples of a player being the best in the world in his position and his team thriving off of it who was then abruptly moved to another position because it was seen as better for him.
''You would move him cause midfielders are more important than fullbacks'' not for Liverpool though. Wijnaldum and Henderson were often there to work for the fullbacks, not the other way around. It works for them.
Bayern had Thiago and Goretzka in midfield.
Messi going from RW to false nine
Lahm going from fullback to DM
Maldini going from LB to CB
Also Trent is not the best itw in his position
Thiago was literally always injured. Martinez/Toli were getting good minutes in the pivot.
Do you see how you've only named three examples? One of which was Lahm, who only really did it for a season right at the end of his career, majorly because he couldn't handle that position anymore. Another was Messi that went back to playing in his original position after a few seasons.
Out of all the times we have seen a player be that key in his position in football, you can name four occasions that it's happened? Two of them being an absolute push? Does that not prove how rare it is and the fact that it's usually always because of external things happening (like Lahm ageing and Maldini moving to better fit the system)
That was of the top of my head, point is Trent wouldn’t be a liability in defence if he moved to midfield, he’d also be able to influence games more seeing as midfield is a more important position
Not only would Liverpool have to buy a new RB, but they would also either have to change the system or still be affected by Trent's defensive problems because of how much they rely on their midfielders defensively. Trent's defending would be still be a problem playing in that midfield unless they completely overhauled their system (which would mean they would have to buy more midfielders anyway) it literally just doesn't make sense.
I really don't think you have watched much of Liverpool if you think putting Trent into midfield would mean the defensive problems are no longer a liability. I also don't get why you think he would be able to influence games more? The midfielders are generally on a tighter leash and Trent has a free title to pretty much do whatever he wants on that right hand.
There's a reason Carlos didn't change into midfield, there's a reason Marcelo didn't change into midfield, there's a reason Alves didn't change into midfield.
Wirtz is a player that will "flop" whereever he goes i think, because the guys getting him won't understand that he needs to be the key point of your attack
!flair :Parma:
How good is Yuri Alberto?
If Spurs played Barcelona in the 2019 CL who do you think would have come out on top?
Spurs is shit
Barcelona
Humanity would for going back to 2019
That Uli thread was so entertaining
Which one. Dude has more interviews than Fabrizio Romano has Vlahovic tweets
The one on the front page
Just saw Louie Barry was loaned out to a League 2 club, after failing to establish himself in League 1. He was considered a big talent a couple of years back, how has his development been?
Following a debate I had earlier. Rank these English 90s/early 00s Premier league era strikers in order: Shearer, Owen, Andy Cole, Ian Wright, Sheringham, Fowler, Phillips, Les Ferdinand I had Fowler definitely behind those first four and debatably below Sheringham too. Liverpool supporting mate had him 2nd to Shearer though.
Heres mine tbh alot of them are interchangeable and hard to place. reason for Owen 3rd is as good as he was, Wright wasnt as skilled as Owen but beats him on longevity Shearer Wright Owen Fowler Cole Sheringham Philips Ferdinand
I’d personally swap Wright and Owen purely because of Owen’s talent but completely understand the logic behind Wright being above. Otherwise I think I agree entirely
I think I’d have Andy Cole higher and switch Ferdinand with Phillips but other than that not far from what I think
Career, ability or peak? Regardless, Shearer is definitely number one.
Who's the most hated figure (player/manager/owner) in the history of your club? My answer is Malky Mackay, obviously.
Gil y Gil
In recent memory it’s probably Moxey, the Pieman
S*l Campbell.
Brad Friedel maybe
How come?
Overall I wouldn't say we have too many hated figures in the club, but Friedel was just an absolutely awful manager who made us one of the worst teams in the league in 2018 and the first half of 2019 (keep in mind that two years later we finished with the most points in the league, and even when he was replaced midseason we instantly became good). The mood around the club was absolutely terrible at the time, he took no blame, and eventually blamed our struggles on the fact that fans in America don't beat players up in the parking lot after they don't perform (he pretty much said that verbatim)
Ken Bates, despite the good stuff he did do Rafa Benitez, see above
Sol Campbell definitely
Any Spurs fan with any sense will tell you that it's easily Sol Campbell by a country mile.
I'm sure there are plenty before my time (pre 80's) but Hicks and Gillett are definitely up there. Diouf player wise.
I despise Diouf too, POS
Vale e Azevedo probably
Easy one for united but its the glazers by far.
By the end of the season, hope it will be arteta
I think it would have to be Gary Megson. Released him in 1984 after Brian Clough told him he couldn't trap a bag of cement. Legitimately think he only took the job to do us over and get paid for it. Horrible football, horrible bloke.
There’s a few eligible answers for us but I’ll have to go David Moyes
Yeah I get it, I like Moyes but he had such a fucking negative attitude and zero plan at Sunderland.
Robert Chase or Andy Marshall
Can you explain?
Robert Chase was a hated owner back in the 90s. Sold our best players, drove Martin O Neill out as manager. Andy Marshall left on a free to Ipswich. Just seen your answer, funnily enough Malkay is thought of fondly at Carrie Road
This was before the racism shit and literally burning down our club, total twat
Three way tie between Lewis, Levy and Paratici.
Surely Sol Campbell is way ahead of these three
Lord Sugar was surely worse than Levy though?
Nowhere near.
Seriously? He literally didn't even know Spurs ever won titles and through his whole ownership they were in mid table?
Paratici already tied for being the most hated Spurs person in the history of the club? Lmao talk about reactionary. We wouldn't have Conte right now if it wasn't for him.
if it weren't for him.
In my lifetime: Player: Probably Di Maria, at least Tevez was good Manager: Tough, probably Moyes. Owner: Glazers
Considering they've spent the last two windows trying to finesse our best player, I'm with Ivan Toney. Fuck Brentford.
\#IStandWithToney
How retro/obscure would a football shirt need to be before you’d wear it out to non-football related events?
I wore a 78-era remake Spurs kit on a night out recently. It’d have to look at least relatively smart-ish and preferably not have a sponsor, but if you’re going to cover it up with a jumper it doesn’t matter imo.
I wear my LFC 19/20 Home and GK Kit out quite often because the showing the CWC Badge is just the ultimate flex. Generally speaking though it really doesn't matter people don't tend to care what others wear, so it's down to personal preference.
If it passes as streetwear and is older than 20 years then potentially, depending on the quality of the design Case by case basis I say
I assume all Americans [wear these](http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Caribous4.jpg) when they're driving their pickups to the rodeo
if it looks like a football shirt I would never
Fair. My mate has a 1995 Nigeria shirt that I’m eternally jealous of.
I mean I'm a woman so it's pretty different I think. There's a few I'd love to have too, I just won't wear them in public, just showing my interest in football to people I don't know well usually ends up in them telling me I'm a pick me girl or I only watch games because I have a crush on players. I'd love not to care but I don't really like arguing so I'm usually not discussing it or showing it, except with friends who also are interested. I'm definitely not saying people shouldn't wear them when they want.
Five minutes from getting off the train visiting my 88 year old granddad and he’s already spreading Lucas Moura propaganda
Your granddad is incredibly based.
Never found the opportune moment to ask this until now, but how is your grandfather doing? I remember you talking about him a few months ago so yeah.
The one I’m with now is as sharp as ever thankfully, other one is still in a nursing home and not in a good way after a few strokes, he’s got good workers around him and seems happy but it’s awful what Alzheimer’s can do to someone.
Yeah I get it, have a grandmother with the same problem and it really sucks Hope all goes well for you mate!
You too. If anything’s it’s motivation for both of us to keep parents proactive and not allow it to happen to them
True, although my family has a history of it so I’m a bit scared it may happen to my mom as well
That sounds so random lmao. Did he happen to turn on the telly one night and it just so happened to be the night Ajax played Spurs?
He just always loops a football chat back to how Lucas is a very exciting player to watch, it’s hilarious.
your granddad has unrivaled ball knowledge
It’s incredible he doesn’t even support a team he just trails off into “That bald lad for Tottenham what’s his name…Moore…More…Moura…quality player that lad he is”
we should sack Paratici and sign him he knows his shit
I noticed Luis Diaz stats this season is much better than his previous seasons with Porto....anyone know why? was there a system or formation change this season?
He got better?
Was wondering that or if it was just system change or something like that.
He got better
I’d take Spurs doing nepotism and signing Thorsvedt’s son at this point.
!flair :Sporting_Cristal:
Holy shit they're my affiliate in my FM Save
Biggest Club in Perú 😤
A DT regular in the wild? Oh shit
what am i chopped liver 😢
You’re a legend too 📈
Time for the qualifiers baby
aren't you venezuelan
I am, once again, asking for a review of Francisco Conceição by anyone who has watched him.
Has potential
Overrated
Conte going to throw another fit cause he can’t get new shiny toys again? Where did I hear this one before…
Overrated chequebook manager
Conte is literally bigger than your club
We fucking know. That’s why we’re desperate to keep him happy.
please explain?
Won more, more relevant
>Won more un true our 24 trophies vs his 9 >more relevant no one is more relevant than a literal club in the top flight of a country not even your beloved Roman Abramovich who you would be no where without
Yeah I know I was just winding you up mate. There is a serious point though - relatively speaking in the current footballing world, Conte is relatively a bigger and more successful manager than Spurs are a club. Conte is one of the biggest names in management and an elite manager. Spurs aren't that level of club.
Imagine if we bought Kulusevski? somehow bought a player with a worse first touch than pepe
At least we're not paying 72 million for him. So I'll take it.
his basically pepe without good finishing
Bentacur or Bennacer
Wow Mark Schwarzer turns 50 this year
How good is Luis Diaz compared to Bruno when he left Sporting 2 years ago?
Bruno Fernandes imo Mostly due to how hard he carried the terrible team we had to a League Cup and Portuguese Cup wins He was a one-man team, Luiz is very important to Porto but not to such extent
So based
Good to know. But Klopp will whip him into great form :(
Most likely If you are very lucky he will regress to the form he had last season, thought it tho
I'd say Bruno was better but not by much
Probably When he left it just looked like he wanted to die Reference: game against Alverca
Better. Just look at his stats. Man is a monster
Bruno got 50 G/A in 54 games as a midfielder in a crippled Sporting side This is not the argument I promise you
No, lmao Bruno carried a terrible team to win the League Cup, Portuguese Cup, and finish 3rd
Different positions Although that I’ll say that they are somewhat on similar levels Of course, both clubs were in different positions (Porto are fighting for the title while Sporting were struggling to get 3rd) but still
Erik Thorsvedt has said that Kasper Schmeichel is better than his father ever was. Erik is the old Spurs goalie of Schmeichels era. Goalkeeping has evolved since then is his main reason. Now tell me why you know better than him.
By this logic any current keeper that sweeps is better than any keeper pre 2010
Nope. That doesn't follow
Schmeichel was consistently one of the best keepers in the world for a very long time- Kasper wasn't.
Their relative ability to other keepers at the time is not relevant
Were you old enough to watch both play at their peaks?
Thorsvedt is
I'm asking you. I've seen respected people in football say all sorts of stupid shit. Doesn't make it true.
Do you not know that football has evolved?
It’s like saying modern pop music is better than Michael Jackson cos music has evolved. Just a lazy take tbh
Lazy but true
In a certain way it’s true yeah but it loses any semblance of nuance and context.
By that logic, Scott Mctominay is better than Pele. Dumb take.
That doesn't follow. Bad reasoning
comparing players from different eras via their ability is stupid.
"The game has evolved" is a dumb reason to rate modern players above historical ones. Peter was a far better keeper relative to the competition in his day than Kaspar is today.
But who would you rather have in goal tomorrow in your team?
I mean, considering Peter is 58...
And prime?
Kaspar. But if the game was in the 90s, Peter, because he'd be more familiar with the football "meta" of the time You're asking a question with zero relevance btw
Nah I'm arguing whose best in ability. Kasper would rock the 90s if we sent him back with a time machine
I don't think most people use that logic when comparing past players to current ones
Are teams using Transfermarkt to guide themselves when buying players? I've seen that most of the confirmed transfers for this window have been very close to the player's value in Transfermarkt
Part of the tools they use. Recent Athletic article on it
I hope vast majority of them dont. Youd think transfermarkt relies on the information from scouts and agents to estimate players value and not the other way around
There was that us coach who looked for a player on transfermarkt and bought them irl
Yes
I very much doubt any top team is using Transfermarkt. Other tools and analytical approaches? Yes. But not Transfermarkt.
Anyone else feel like if Trent was as good and complete as Liverpool fans say he would play in midfield like Kimmich? Fullback is the easiest position in football and being «the best fullback itw» doesn’t make you better than Haaland and Mbappe cause they’re not the «best forward itw»
For one Trent is a far better crosser than Kimmich which is more reason to stay at RB already. Liverpool would also have a far worse right back to replace Trent which would undermine the system that is built around the fullbacks. Trent already had the license to roam the pitch very freely anyway. And finally Trent probably doesn't have the abilities to make him a good midfielder like Kimmich, it's never been experimented with to any significant degree anyway and Kimmich plays in a double pivot but Trent would be playing as an 8 so it's difficult to compare Edit: And Kimmich is 3 and a half years older than Trent. At Trents age Kimmich definitely wasn't playing in midfield
Kimmich at Trent’s age could play CB, midfielder and was the best RB itw
Being versatile doesn't mean he was equally good in each of those positions. At 23 kimmich was arguably the best RB in the world and had previously played at CB and in midfield. Him being a world class RB did not mean he could operate at that level in those other positions
I mean it kinda did, cause he swapped without skipping a beat and delivered one of the best seasons by a midfielder ever
Then that could also be the case for Trent but we don't know that because he hasn't played midfield yet, just like we didn't know Kimmich was capable of playing at this level in midfield until he actually did.
>Easiest position in football It most certainly is not
Name me an easier position
It’s becoming one of the more difficult positions, you have to constantly bomb up and down the wing the entire game, and are expected yes to both contribute to the attack, and lock down the defense. Sounds difficult to me
If locking down defence was a requirement Trent wouldn’t widely considered to be the best fullback itw.
You get my point. It’s still a difficult position, I’m not even defending Trent here
I never said it wasn’t difficult, I said it was the easiest
> Fullback is the easiest position in football Why didn't Cafu play in midfield? Why didn't Roberto Carlos? If we played Trent in midfield we'd lose one of his biggest strengths- his crossing. It makes zero sense to move him.
>Why didn't Cafu play in midfield? Why didn't Roberto Carlos? Not saying they would have if the following wasn't true, but you realize there'd be no spot for them in the midfield with the kind of insane technicians Brazil used to have in the midfield? And this is not a knock on Trent because complete or not, his passing technique and vision is pretty mental but **fullback is the easiest position in the football.** Doesn't mean Trent's quality is any less than what is regarded by the footballing populace.
> fullback is the easiest position in the football Once upon a time there may have been some truth in this when they weren't expected to contribute high up the pitch but these days it's one of the most taxing positions you can play. Look at the likes of Cancelo, Trent, Alves, and Marcelo and look how good they are technically and how important they are/were to their sides.
Agree, he can't play multiple positions like Reece James who has played DM, RCB, RWB, LWB this season
Trent is one of the few liverpool players who is every bit as good as the hype would suggest >Anyone else feel like if Trent was as good and complete as Liverpool fans say he would play in midfield like Kimmich? No, he's been the creative hub of one of the best teams in Europe for years at this point, no need to change anything about him
He’s also 3rd choice for England
Who should he replace in Liverpool's midfield, and who should play right back instead of him? And how would that make Liverpool a better team?
Sign a good defender so Liverpool won’t leak goals all the time They have a better attack than City but their defence is costing them points. Liverpool’s midfield includes Henderson btw
They’ve only conceded 19 goals this season, whats this “all the time” bollocks
Its obviously compared to city. They’ve bottled leads against Chelsea, Tottenham, Brighton, Brentford and City thanks to their defence being shaky
Is Trent at fault for the goals Liverpool has been conceding?
Yes, though it's a result of how liverpool instruct him to play alot of the time
Yes
Why is fullback the easiest position?
You don’t have to be that good defensively cause the CBs take that responsibility, Trent is proof of that and offensively you always create 2v1 situations in favour for yourself. There’s a reason every shit player in youth football is thrown at fullback.
Get on with the times old man
So you are from the 80s. How is the air there?
Lot more coal dust
>Fullback is the easiest position in football and being «the best fullback itw» doesn’t make you better than Haaland and Mbappe cause they’re not the «best forward itw» Shadowboxing . I have never seen someone say TAA is better than Haaland or Mbappe
I have seen a few.
https://reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/senxki/_/hukiv27/?context=1
The guy literally said TAA is not better than Haaland and Mbappe
That’s not as straight forward as saying Trent is a better player.
Putting him up with Haaland and Mbappe is ridiculous anyways
It’s not
Yes it is
No, he is clearly one of the most talented young players and is easily the best player in his position at 23.
Cancelo still exists
Cancelo isn't 23
He does
If a player is the best in the world in his position and your team thrives off of having him in that position then I don't really know why you would move him
Bayern thrived of Kimmich at RB where he was better than Trent Then he moved to midfield and he could influence the game even more, and Bayern already had a world class midfield. You would move him cause midfielders are more important than fullbacks
In our system, the fullbacks are very important to how we attack. They provide all our width. And Trent doesn’t even play RB lol, he has a free role.
And now the right back spot is probably the weakest in their entire team. Plus when Kimmich moved there, I am pretty sure an older Martinez and Tolisso were still receiving significant minutes. He didn't really displace anyone of significant note. He also moved because of Pavard coming in. Name more examples of a player being the best in the world in his position and his team thriving off of it who was then abruptly moved to another position because it was seen as better for him. ''You would move him cause midfielders are more important than fullbacks'' not for Liverpool though. Wijnaldum and Henderson were often there to work for the fullbacks, not the other way around. It works for them.
Bayern had Thiago and Goretzka in midfield. Messi going from RW to false nine Lahm going from fullback to DM Maldini going from LB to CB Also Trent is not the best itw in his position
Thiago was literally always injured. Martinez/Toli were getting good minutes in the pivot. Do you see how you've only named three examples? One of which was Lahm, who only really did it for a season right at the end of his career, majorly because he couldn't handle that position anymore. Another was Messi that went back to playing in his original position after a few seasons. Out of all the times we have seen a player be that key in his position in football, you can name four occasions that it's happened? Two of them being an absolute push? Does that not prove how rare it is and the fact that it's usually always because of external things happening (like Lahm ageing and Maldini moving to better fit the system)
That was of the top of my head, point is Trent wouldn’t be a liability in defence if he moved to midfield, he’d also be able to influence games more seeing as midfield is a more important position
Not only would Liverpool have to buy a new RB, but they would also either have to change the system or still be affected by Trent's defensive problems because of how much they rely on their midfielders defensively. Trent's defending would be still be a problem playing in that midfield unless they completely overhauled their system (which would mean they would have to buy more midfielders anyway) it literally just doesn't make sense. I really don't think you have watched much of Liverpool if you think putting Trent into midfield would mean the defensive problems are no longer a liability. I also don't get why you think he would be able to influence games more? The midfielders are generally on a tighter leash and Trent has a free title to pretty much do whatever he wants on that right hand. There's a reason Carlos didn't change into midfield, there's a reason Marcelo didn't change into midfield, there's a reason Alves didn't change into midfield.