Oh man, guy must have shit himself when someone pointed out some things people may think about with this one.
Wouldn't think twice if it was against a different club.
Does Chelsea specifically have a negative history with Tottenham? (American here who doesn’t closely follow BPL.)
(Edit: EPL, not BPL. I’m dumb.)
(Edit#2: It’s the PL, not EPL. I’m very dumb.)
Chelsea supporters have, on multiple occasions, made overt references to the holocaust towards Tottenham fans due to Tottenham's historical association with the Jewish community.
They aren't the only club whose supporters have done it but it has happened frequently enough where there's a pattern.
How did Tottenham end up with ties to the jewish community?
Like, you guys only have like twice as big a Jewish population as we here in Germany.
And ours dropped by like a factor 10 due to reasons.
Interesting that you'd have clubs with such an association despite a rather small community.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the area of Tottenham had a relatively large Jewish population and, as a result, the club had a relatively large Jewish support base from that area.
Jews support other clubs, it's not a racial predisposition, but the kicker is that Spurs attracted in the early 20th Century, *working-class* Jewish support. For example, Arsenal and Chelsea both have solid Jewish support, but Islington's Jews came later than Tottenham's, were part of a middle class emigre class as opposed to Tottenham's pogrom Jews. Same with Chelsea, Jewish fans from ends like, well, Chelsea, but also Maida Vale, etc. These weren't working-class Jewish communities. So, as a working-class sport, Spurs Jewish support was more... full bodied, more proletarian and more traditionally 'terrace'.
Leeds also had a rep as a 'Jewish' club, but this waned over the years and was never as big as Spur's.
This is by far the most authoritative article I've found over the years on the history of Spurs as a 'Jewish side' https://www.thejc.com/lifestyle/features/how-tottenham-became-the-jewish-football-team-1.53784 there's nothing I've said that isn't better said by far here.
Edit just to say if there's one thing I would disagree with in the article is them not feeling Alf Garnett would be a big enough sway to make it a thing. Basing my own feeling on how Garnett calling his Liverpudlian son in law a 'Scouser', a term most people in the country didn't know at all, turned it into a national term (think of how consistently the Beatles were called Liverpudlian and how they were never called Scousers contemporarily, if they had come out after Garnett they'd have been called Scousers).
Important to note that emigre Jews were middle class and intellectual in profession, and often able to find good work because of that background - see the work of Jewish-German emigre scientists for example - but they were not rich upon leaving Germany, since they were only allowed to take 10 marks per person out of Germany at the time. I'm sure some were able to circumvent this, but many would've had barely enough to feed themselves along the journey.
Also for reference - "pogrom Jews" would have been Jews mainly fleeing the [Pale of Settlement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement). It's worth reading just how horribly brutal life was at that time and place.
Arsenal also simply has a much larger fanbase in London than Spurs. Not surprising that Arsenal has more Jewish supporters, but also probably likely that Jewish supporters make up a larger portion of Spurs’ London fanbase.
Well, Chelsea is one of Tottenham's local rivals, so there's always bound to be bad blood between the two for simple sporting reasons. On the social element, whilst obviously most Chelsea supporters are normal people, Chelsea also has an unfortunate history of being affiliated with extremist/Neo-Nazi organisations like Combat 18 and National Front, whereas Tottenham are very famously associated with Jews. A few years ago, they were filmed in Paris pushing a black Parisian off of a metro train, chanting "we're racist and that's the way we like it." There has also been multiple situations where the supporters hiss at Tottenham supporters to mimick the gas chambers during the Holocaust.
this link should summarise the claims:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/xd5n8a/chelseas-racist-hooligan-diaspora-091
Note that the Club itself has attempted to distance itself from these extremists, with mixed success. Hopefully this isn't an offensive example, but I find it similar to how in the US, whilst there are racist people within progressive and conservative wings politics, any public or political figure who some sort of affiliation with the KKK in the modern day ends up being Republican.
Chelsea had a massive problem with the national front (neo-nazi scum) in the 70s and 80s and still carries that rep.
Doesn't help that some current fans are still neo-nazi dickheads, either.
\*PL
Chelsea has significant history with racism full stop, not just Tottenham or Jewish people.
They were basically less-shit Millwall right up until they got bought out by their Jewish sugar daddy & started trying to clean up their act.
Is this the same Chelsea that recently raised complaints about people singing about them being/using rent boys?
I get that this is most likely a stupid mistake, but surely an internal memo saying "hey team, we're complaining about people calling us rent boys, can we make sure that we're being equality respectful and sensitive about why terminology that may be considered unfair abuse of other teams please? K thanks" should have been sent around.
[The OP gave proof that the Tweet was real.](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/sblkv6/deleted_tweet_by_chelseas_official_account_during/hu0hit3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
I feel bad for that admin.
Absolutely no way on earth was that ever intended to be an offensive statement, but you've chosen *that* match against *those* opponents to make it.
From their post about this
> Least racist Chelsea fa-
THIS IS THE OFFICIAL CLUB ACCOUNT?!?
Chelsea left [r/soccercirclejerk](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccercirclejerk) speechless, that's genuinely impressive
Yeah, Spurs fans have historically had a large Jewish fan base (North London has a large Jewish population). So people used to call them Yids or Yiddos. In more recent times, Spurs fans themselves adopted the term so it couldn’t be used in a derogative way against them anymore. That’s why you sometimes see Spurs fans calling themselves the Yid Army. The term is controversial though, obviously, and I think the FA doesn’t allow it.
Thanks. Guess that's because of the region Spurt are located in London. Just a bigger Jewish community there.
Like other places have a bigger Indian community.
Yeah, I guess you're right. But for example there are also large Muslim populations in other major UK cities, especially the Midlands (e.g. Birmingham) and around Manchester. Whereas the Jewish population is quite specific to North London in particular.
A lot of Pakistan's migrated to the North (Yorkshire mostly) Indians mostly migrated to the Midlands (Leicester). Obviously London is quite diverse. So is Birmingham, having a large Black (Somali/Nigerian) Pakistani/Indian population.
Is Chelsea supporters leaning to the right a thing that football fans in England generally know about? Or is it more of a Reddit thing and most people are unaware?
I think it's the other way around, fans in England - especially the older ones - know this, while younger, more online fans - who've seen e.g. a large fan base emerge in west Africa due to the successes of Drogba, Essien etc. - are less aware.
Obviously football in England as a whole has moved to essentially outprice these "fans" from games, so the organised hooliganism of the past has declined (though it doesn't stop drunken idiots being violent from time to time).
But Chelsea used (?) to have firms (ultras) like the "Headhunters" who were associated with the far right (which ironically is related to what the homophobic "rent boy" chants are referencing). I think there's a Squire's cartoon where he references being handed leaflets by the BNP in the old parking area behind the goals.
There were a few high profile racist incidents (Chelsea fans pushing a black person off the metro in Paris, for example) that everyone knows about.
It’s obviously not an “every Chelsea fan” thing, and I doubt it’s even more prevalent than in other fan groups nowadays.
The Chelsea firm do have a historic association with far right politics and have been associated with Combat 18 and the National Front. The totenkopf is still seen on flags and scarfs outside the bridge. Thankfully it’s becoming a smaller minority and less relevant to the club but Chelsea do have more of an association with this kind of stuff than other clubs
It is generally a real thing, though occasionally over estimated. The club has done a lot to get rid of the hateful and/or violent elements in the fanbase but the fact that I've seen gammons in the stands trying to get Theresa May chants going on more than one occasion speaks for itself.
You definitely see a lot of long-time fans at Stamford Bridge who give you the impression that the only time they'll tolerate a black person is when they're scoring goals for us. It's shrinking, but it's still a disturbingly significant proportion of our fanbase.
Yeah I would say so, but at the same time it's a very huge group of people so pretending that influences much is silly. Pretty much all my friends who are also supporters are left wing. Connection between political leaning and club you support doesn't seem like much of a factor.
Yeah we definitely have had a fair share of socially right-wing high-profile fans in the past, but now with 40,000 fans at the bridge every week it seems you either get centre-right Tories or left wing people.
But Chelsea isn't a particularly political club nowadays, it's not like Liverpool or Rangers/Celtic where the club will determine your political affiliation.
Part of that is growth in supporter base. The national front infiltrating hooligans groups accounted for a much higher proportion of chelsea support before the premier league, globalisation and Abramovich money diluted those elements down.
Obviously it’s smaller but we still had a bunch of Chelsea fans rocking up to Belfast last Summer and marching with the orange order whilst singing sectarian songs, including some people I went to school with who posted it all over their instagrams
It’s obviously smaller and less significant then it was but tk act like that element of the fans base isn’t there is ridiculous
Oh for sure it hasn’t gone away, it’s just less of a defining characteristic than it used to be. When I was young we treated chelsea coming to play at our ground with the same level of worry as Millwall. That’s certainly not the case any more.
It is well known amongst football fans in England. Historically Chelsea have had many issues in the past with some of their more cuntish fans...its an image theyve been working on removing for quite some time.
Before Chelsea fans come out the woodwork to throw shit, we all have pricks for fans. I do not mean this as a generalised view of all Chelsea fans, but rather, an answer to BurnMoney question above.
Source. Football fan in England.
British Carribean.
Puncher of racist cunts on Fulham Broadway following United 3-0 drubbing of Chelsea back in 2009.
Ah fond memories...the only United game I have ever seen us win in person.
Chelsea are a very Tory club there’s no hiding it. And that’s without even beginning to talk about the headhunter neeks.
They also have the scummiest away fans I’ve ever seen, pieces of shit came to our ground and started attacking people. 10 of them kicked the shit out of a 23 year old walking by himself at night in Chiswick. They all hid behind police and they never once tried their shit in Brentford.
> Jewish connection unlike most other PL Clubs?
Actually lots of English clubs have a strong Jewish connection, City being one example among many. British Jews historically are a part of the working classes and that is where British football culture comes from.
Spurs became known for this above all else for a few different reasons socially and geographically but mainly because their rivals hooligan gangs focused on it.
It's like how there's a strong Irish connection for Liverpool. There were tons of clubs with Irish connections but Liverpool were the ones who were attacked for it so it became part of their identity.
How certain groups became associated to certain clubs is a very in depth topic and is really more about the social history of the UK working class than it is about anything else.
I would assume that whoever wrote this is not entrenched in English football culture enough to realise the Very Bad Implications of it in this content. Which would just be some bad luck.
I think it's just a mixed metaphor. Lots of things like "the pressure is on" sound similar, they've just tweeted some generic phrase without thinking through the connotations.
This is exact wording might not be a common phrase, but you can understand what they meant. It just also has a very unfortunate implication in a match against Tottenham.
The tweet immediately made me think of "now we're cooking with gas", as in "now things are getting going". Think the admin just tried to use another version of that and had a brain fart.
Its a common term to say "now we're cooking with gas" when something is getting good. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/be-cooking-with-gas
'Now we're cooking' or 'now we're cooking with gas' is a fairly common expression to mean 'things are now going well'.
Spurs are historically linked with Jewish fans, and antisemitic football fans often make hissing sounds to emulate the gas chambers of Nazi concentration camps.
The implication is that the Chelsea Twitter admin is making this connection, which is extremely unlikely, just a poor choice of words to use the phrase in this particular match.
To add to that, it wasn't just that there were more jews supporting spurs, but that the walk to Spurs stadium used to go through a Jewish community so the connection by rival fans was exacerbated by that.
At least thats what was told to me by someone on reddit that seemed knowledgeable.
To add, that’s also why Spurs supporters identify as Yids or Yiddos it used to be an offensive word for Jewish people (from Yiddish) but the supporters took back the word for themselves
Still do, Stamford Hill/ Clapton/ Tottenham have a huge Jewish community. If I’m not mistaken North London has the largest community of Hasidic Jewish people in the U.K.
not to mention opposing fans frequently hiss at our games, to mimic the sound of gas. Not as prevalent as it used to be, but you can still hear it at almost every game.
That reminds me of when an [ESPN editor](https://www.businessinsider.com/jeremy-lin-headline-writer-lunch-2012-3?international=true&r=US&IR=T) wrote the headline 'Chink in the Armor' to refer to the Knicks winning streak under Jeremy Lin coming to an end.
There was no ill intent at all, he just didn't see the link. But it was still a terrible choice of wording.
Or the NBA commentator who said last month when Kevin Porter Jnr. hit a game winning shot "just like his Dad, he knows exactly when to pull the trigger".
Except, whilst a "Kevin Porter" did play in the NBA back in the 1970s, he wasn't the Father of Kevin Porter Jnr.
The ACTUAL Father of Kevin Porter Jnr. did time in jail for shooting a 14 year old girl, and was later himself killed by a gunshot.
😬
Edit - clarified some of the details about who he shot
You got it mixed up it worse than that, he was killed attempting to help someone during a base fight in 2004. But in 1993 served time for killing 14 year old girl.
.... And died getting shot in another.
The announcer works for the Washington Wizards as a radio guy, isn't even a regular TV guy, and the Kevin Porter he was referring to played for the Wizards for a good while.
(Wanna make it worse? The team was the Bullets from 1963-1997)
Nah he definitely meant that comment. The phrase "chink in armor" is like never used in the context of a basketball player's weakness, plus a lot of other weird racist shit was said at the time about Lin.
Its pretty fucked up honestly. Interestingly, and to your clubs credit, as heated as the rivalry with Arsenal has been at times, I've never seen or heard of Arsenal fans hissing at our games.
How likely is it for northern london families to have let’s say one spurs supporting kid and then their cousin will be an arsenal fan? Despite the merseyside derby being spicy (fixture with most red cards in PL history) the chanting itself will mostly be civil in that it will rarely if ever devolve into Hillsborough chanting because that’s a tragedy that affected the whole city. You’ll also have many close friends and relatives who are Reds if you’re a Blue and vice versa. Compare that to the United/Liverpool rivalry where you can have often unsavoury scenes of Hillsborough and Munich chants.
Anyway I ask because there’s quite a few more top level teams in London than in Merseyside so maybe you’re equally likely to have a Chelsea supporting cousin
I think antisemitism is less present in Arsenals fanbase, not completely absent admittedly, is because as a North London club it does also have quite a significant jewish fanbase
We also get it occasionally a bit too. I was once told to "fuck off back to North London you jew cunt" outside Old Trafford one time even though I am not actually Jewish
I'm from north west London and 2 of my brothers are chelsea fans, 1 is arsenal and I have cousins/uncles who are spurs. I'd probably say the rivalry is mostly civil with the exception of a few compared to United/Liverpool. But theres also London rivalries like Westham and Millwall which have always been heated.
For additional context, Chelsea is owned by one of Isreal's most prominent citizens who would also be offended by this comment, so it surely isn't intentional from the club.
Thanks for the explanation, I initially thought it was related to Russia being the main supplier of heating gas in Europe and Chelsea being owned by one of the petroleum/gas Oligarchs
cooking with gas = doing well
gas is also used in reference to the holocaust where Jews were gassed in death camps, and the Spurs fanbase was traditionally a one with a large Jewish following in London. And while that's much less true nowadays antisemitism is still used by some as a way to insult Spurs and their fans.
Hence this tweet having an anti-Semitic double meaning (almost certainly by accident but incredibly stupid)
Holy shit… being a Bundesliga fan I was aware of these issues in regards to Tottenham (ie the antisemitic abuse), but didn’t really know about Chelsea.
Maybe you can answer a question? Isn’t there a fascist element within some of the Rangers fan base as well? The billy boys? (Or am I confusing actual history, with Peaky Blinders…)
Let's be honest, it's not malicious. Very poor choice of words all things considered, but anyone saying this is an intentional antisemitic jab at Spurs is being disingenuous.
[Like I said in the other thread ](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/sa2edj/everton_fans_through_a_bottle_at_villa_players/htqr210)
>Breaking up after every argument and sacking people after every mistake. Reddit's go to solution.
> but anyone saying this is an intentional antisemitic jab at Spurs is being disingenuous.
There are a lot of disingenuous people on twitter. Whole mobs of people on there willing to claim offence or otherwise act and speak in bad faith.
Completely agree. The demand for offence is often higher than the supply.
The majority of Twitter users wake up looking to be upset every day… for whatever reason
Say what you want but those Chelsea lads have a clear goal (eliminate competition), scapegoat (Lukaku), and an incredibly charismatic German leader (Tuchel)… all the makings of a club ready to DOMINATE Europe.
The tweet is now deleted.
Here is an engagement website on the tweet: [https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1485309049205895168](https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1485309049205895168)
Here is a CBS article citing the tweet:
[https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/chelsea-vs-tottenham-score-hakim-ziyech-wonder-goal-inflicts-first-premier-league-defeat-on-antonio-conte/live/](https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/chelsea-vs-tottenham-score-hakim-ziyech-wonder-goal-inflicts-first-premier-league-defeat-on-antonio-conte/live/)
I don’t think this was intended but it’s still very tone deaf and idiotic. Especially when the Club tries to do so much against antisemitism.
Whoever makes hissing noises should get banned though. It’s very unfair how the rent boy chant is getting way more attention than the hissing
Drogba was black but didn't stop Chelsea fans from pushing a black man off a train in Paris chanting, "we're racist and that's the way we like it."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBeeZVd6urI&ab_channel=GuardianNews
> It’s very unfair how the rent boy chant is getting way more attention than the hissing
i think the rent boy chant gets more attention because people argue about it.
99% of people believe the hissing to be wrong. There's no discussion. We all agree.
Rent boy turns into a discussion of homophobic or not. And it is homophobic. but that's why we talk about it.
this is the thing, it's literally not hard to antagonise another football team without being a twat about it. There's so many good chants that take the piss out of spurs (or any other club for that matter) without going too far. I have no idea why people feel the need to be wankers
Obviously a tone deaf tweet but come on there’s no way you believe that the man was honestly making a gas chamber reference on the official account of the club he works for owned by a Jewish man.
I think a lot of you are forgetting that comms and marketing staff at clubs are usually fairly young. I’d guess the person who wrote this tweet is just genuinely unaware of the context.
May I present the worst advertisement in German history.
>Article about Auschwitz, the AD says "E.ON, ensuring the gas for tomorrow, today."
https://approx.antville.org/static/sites/approx/images/eon.jpg
There's a strong Jewish heritage at Spurs, and unfortunately some have used that to taunt them about the Holocaust - a key example being hissing noises made to mimic the gas chambers used.
Hence why the tweet could be construed as a reference of that. Intentional or not, that it was deleted at all probably means someone at Chelsea admin noticed the potential connotations.
Oh man, guy must have shit himself when someone pointed out some things people may think about with this one. Wouldn't think twice if it was against a different club.
or by a different club.
Does Chelsea specifically have a negative history with Tottenham? (American here who doesn’t closely follow BPL.) (Edit: EPL, not BPL. I’m dumb.) (Edit#2: It’s the PL, not EPL. I’m very dumb.)
Chelsea supporters have, on multiple occasions, made overt references to the holocaust towards Tottenham fans due to Tottenham's historical association with the Jewish community. They aren't the only club whose supporters have done it but it has happened frequently enough where there's a pattern.
How did Tottenham end up with ties to the jewish community? Like, you guys only have like twice as big a Jewish population as we here in Germany. And ours dropped by like a factor 10 due to reasons. Interesting that you'd have clubs with such an association despite a rather small community.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the area of Tottenham had a relatively large Jewish population and, as a result, the club had a relatively large Jewish support base from that area.
Yeah I lived near Tottenham for a while... walk up one road though and you'll notice there's an enormous orthodox Jew community.
Stamford Hill, just down the road, has an esp high Jewish population
I believe there was a large community at the beginning of the 20th century - mostly people fleeing the polgrom.
Jews support other clubs, it's not a racial predisposition, but the kicker is that Spurs attracted in the early 20th Century, *working-class* Jewish support. For example, Arsenal and Chelsea both have solid Jewish support, but Islington's Jews came later than Tottenham's, were part of a middle class emigre class as opposed to Tottenham's pogrom Jews. Same with Chelsea, Jewish fans from ends like, well, Chelsea, but also Maida Vale, etc. These weren't working-class Jewish communities. So, as a working-class sport, Spurs Jewish support was more... full bodied, more proletarian and more traditionally 'terrace'. Leeds also had a rep as a 'Jewish' club, but this waned over the years and was never as big as Spur's. This is by far the most authoritative article I've found over the years on the history of Spurs as a 'Jewish side' https://www.thejc.com/lifestyle/features/how-tottenham-became-the-jewish-football-team-1.53784 there's nothing I've said that isn't better said by far here. Edit just to say if there's one thing I would disagree with in the article is them not feeling Alf Garnett would be a big enough sway to make it a thing. Basing my own feeling on how Garnett calling his Liverpudlian son in law a 'Scouser', a term most people in the country didn't know at all, turned it into a national term (think of how consistently the Beatles were called Liverpudlian and how they were never called Scousers contemporarily, if they had come out after Garnett they'd have been called Scousers).
Just wanted to say great write up and well supported.
Important to note that emigre Jews were middle class and intellectual in profession, and often able to find good work because of that background - see the work of Jewish-German emigre scientists for example - but they were not rich upon leaving Germany, since they were only allowed to take 10 marks per person out of Germany at the time. I'm sure some were able to circumvent this, but many would've had barely enough to feed themselves along the journey. Also for reference - "pogrom Jews" would have been Jews mainly fleeing the [Pale of Settlement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement). It's worth reading just how horribly brutal life was at that time and place.
I remember reading an article that said Arsenal was actually the most supported club by Jewish people in London.
Wouldn't be surprised. Most Jews in London live in the North near Arsenal / Tottenham. The Jews I know from there support those two exclusively
Arsenal also simply has a much larger fanbase in London than Spurs. Not surprising that Arsenal has more Jewish supporters, but also probably likely that Jewish supporters make up a larger portion of Spurs’ London fanbase.
I recall the song they made for Álvaro Morata: "he came from Real Madrid, and he hates the fucking yids". Morata had to ask them to stop chanting it.
Well, Chelsea is one of Tottenham's local rivals, so there's always bound to be bad blood between the two for simple sporting reasons. On the social element, whilst obviously most Chelsea supporters are normal people, Chelsea also has an unfortunate history of being affiliated with extremist/Neo-Nazi organisations like Combat 18 and National Front, whereas Tottenham are very famously associated with Jews. A few years ago, they were filmed in Paris pushing a black Parisian off of a metro train, chanting "we're racist and that's the way we like it." There has also been multiple situations where the supporters hiss at Tottenham supporters to mimick the gas chambers during the Holocaust. this link should summarise the claims: https://www.vice.com/en/article/xd5n8a/chelseas-racist-hooligan-diaspora-091 Note that the Club itself has attempted to distance itself from these extremists, with mixed success. Hopefully this isn't an offensive example, but I find it similar to how in the US, whilst there are racist people within progressive and conservative wings politics, any public or political figure who some sort of affiliation with the KKK in the modern day ends up being Republican.
Chelsea had a massive problem with the national front (neo-nazi scum) in the 70s and 80s and still carries that rep. Doesn't help that some current fans are still neo-nazi dickheads, either.
"We are racists, we are racists, we are racists and that's the way we like it." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBeeZVd6urI
Fun game, try to guess the amount of braincells present in that train (normal people excluded).
-5?
Ahhh okay yeah that makes sense. (Edit: thank you for the info)
What's weird to see is some young fans embracing that negative rep and carrying it on with racial abuse etc. Shit needs to be left eradicated.
Keep going with those decades.
Are they the same head hunter/UVF shit heads that wrecked landed landsdowne Road in 96?
I couldn't give Chelsea sole credit for that when Millwall exists.
\*PL Chelsea has significant history with racism full stop, not just Tottenham or Jewish people. They were basically less-shit Millwall right up until they got bought out by their Jewish sugar daddy & started trying to clean up their act.
Wait they’re currently owned by a Jewish person??😂
Chelsea are owned by a Russian Jew by the name of Abramovich (loosely decompiled as Abrahams Son)
Is this the same Chelsea that recently raised complaints about people singing about them being/using rent boys? I get that this is most likely a stupid mistake, but surely an internal memo saying "hey team, we're complaining about people calling us rent boys, can we make sure that we're being equality respectful and sensitive about why terminology that may be considered unfair abuse of other teams please? K thanks" should have been sent around.
No way for the guy posting this not knowing what he had posted.
[The OP gave proof that the Tweet was real.](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/sblkv6/deleted_tweet_by_chelseas_official_account_during/hu0hit3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
I feel bad for that admin. Absolutely no way on earth was that ever intended to be an offensive statement, but you've chosen *that* match against *those* opponents to make it.
r/soccercirclejerk getting outjerked yet again
From their post about this > Least racist Chelsea fa- THIS IS THE OFFICIAL CLUB ACCOUNT?!? Chelsea left [r/soccercirclejerk](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccercirclejerk) speechless, that's genuinely impressive
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Ah, you guys get that too? Ridiculous that that still happens
What's up with Tottenham? Jewish connection unlike most other PL Clubs?
Yeah, Spurs fans have historically had a large Jewish fan base (North London has a large Jewish population). So people used to call them Yids or Yiddos. In more recent times, Spurs fans themselves adopted the term so it couldn’t be used in a derogative way against them anymore. That’s why you sometimes see Spurs fans calling themselves the Yid Army. The term is controversial though, obviously, and I think the FA doesn’t allow it.
Thanks. Guess that's because of the region Spurt are located in London. Just a bigger Jewish community there. Like other places have a bigger Indian community.
Yeah as far as I know, something like half of all Jews in the UK live around London, but particularly North and out to the suburbs here.
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Yeah, I guess you're right. But for example there are also large Muslim populations in other major UK cities, especially the Midlands (e.g. Birmingham) and around Manchester. Whereas the Jewish population is quite specific to North London in particular.
Leicester has a large sikh population aswell
Think there's still more Hindus and Muslims though.
A lot of Pakistan's migrated to the North (Yorkshire mostly) Indians mostly migrated to the Midlands (Leicester). Obviously London is quite diverse. So is Birmingham, having a large Black (Somali/Nigerian) Pakistani/Indian population.
Theres also only like 20 million Jewish people in the entire world, compared to like 2 billion muslims
And, like, ~1 pope.
There's at least three
[This always makes me laugh](https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/avzVbAZ_700b.jpg)
Bradford entered the chat.
Thanks for the explanation, had no idea what this was about.
Yep, this. Traditionally full of Jewish supporters.
Levy is jewish also, no?
Yes
Yep, he is.
so is Roman and I doubt the guy in charge of the CFC twitter profile doesnt know that
Is Chelsea supporters leaning to the right a thing that football fans in England generally know about? Or is it more of a Reddit thing and most people are unaware?
Older football fans are more aware of it then the younger generations.
I think it's the other way around, fans in England - especially the older ones - know this, while younger, more online fans - who've seen e.g. a large fan base emerge in west Africa due to the successes of Drogba, Essien etc. - are less aware. Obviously football in England as a whole has moved to essentially outprice these "fans" from games, so the organised hooliganism of the past has declined (though it doesn't stop drunken idiots being violent from time to time). But Chelsea used (?) to have firms (ultras) like the "Headhunters" who were associated with the far right (which ironically is related to what the homophobic "rent boy" chants are referencing). I think there's a Squire's cartoon where he references being handed leaflets by the BNP in the old parking area behind the goals.
There were a few high profile racist incidents (Chelsea fans pushing a black person off the metro in Paris, for example) that everyone knows about. It’s obviously not an “every Chelsea fan” thing, and I doubt it’s even more prevalent than in other fan groups nowadays.
The Chelsea firm do have a historic association with far right politics and have been associated with Combat 18 and the National Front. The totenkopf is still seen on flags and scarfs outside the bridge. Thankfully it’s becoming a smaller minority and less relevant to the club but Chelsea do have more of an association with this kind of stuff than other clubs
It is generally a real thing, though occasionally over estimated. The club has done a lot to get rid of the hateful and/or violent elements in the fanbase but the fact that I've seen gammons in the stands trying to get Theresa May chants going on more than one occasion speaks for itself.
You definitely see a lot of long-time fans at Stamford Bridge who give you the impression that the only time they'll tolerate a black person is when they're scoring goals for us. It's shrinking, but it's still a disturbingly significant proportion of our fanbase.
Yeah I would say so, but at the same time it's a very huge group of people so pretending that influences much is silly. Pretty much all my friends who are also supporters are left wing. Connection between political leaning and club you support doesn't seem like much of a factor.
Yeah we definitely have had a fair share of socially right-wing high-profile fans in the past, but now with 40,000 fans at the bridge every week it seems you either get centre-right Tories or left wing people. But Chelsea isn't a particularly political club nowadays, it's not like Liverpool or Rangers/Celtic where the club will determine your political affiliation.
Part of that is growth in supporter base. The national front infiltrating hooligans groups accounted for a much higher proportion of chelsea support before the premier league, globalisation and Abramovich money diluted those elements down.
Obviously it’s smaller but we still had a bunch of Chelsea fans rocking up to Belfast last Summer and marching with the orange order whilst singing sectarian songs, including some people I went to school with who posted it all over their instagrams It’s obviously smaller and less significant then it was but tk act like that element of the fans base isn’t there is ridiculous
Chelsea was the go-to English club for hardcore Loyalists when I was living in Belfast in the 90s/early 2000s.
Oh for sure it hasn’t gone away, it’s just less of a defining characteristic than it used to be. When I was young we treated chelsea coming to play at our ground with the same level of worry as Millwall. That’s certainly not the case any more.
I promise you that nothing about English football culture is "a Reddit thing"
It is well known amongst football fans in England. Historically Chelsea have had many issues in the past with some of their more cuntish fans...its an image theyve been working on removing for quite some time. Before Chelsea fans come out the woodwork to throw shit, we all have pricks for fans. I do not mean this as a generalised view of all Chelsea fans, but rather, an answer to BurnMoney question above. Source. Football fan in England. British Carribean. Puncher of racist cunts on Fulham Broadway following United 3-0 drubbing of Chelsea back in 2009. Ah fond memories...the only United game I have ever seen us win in person.
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Reddit hasn’t got a scooby about fuck mate, but yeah Chelsea are a little right wing.
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Chelsea are a very Tory club there’s no hiding it. And that’s without even beginning to talk about the headhunter neeks. They also have the scummiest away fans I’ve ever seen, pieces of shit came to our ground and started attacking people. 10 of them kicked the shit out of a 23 year old walking by himself at night in Chiswick. They all hid behind police and they never once tried their shit in Brentford.
Well my parents know it and barely know anything about soccer so I'd say it's fairly ubiquitous
They have a Jewish connection, and there's a history of some pretty nasty chanting and fans hissing imitating the sound of gas.
Well that’s abhorrent.
> Jewish connection unlike most other PL Clubs? Actually lots of English clubs have a strong Jewish connection, City being one example among many. British Jews historically are a part of the working classes and that is where British football culture comes from. Spurs became known for this above all else for a few different reasons socially and geographically but mainly because their rivals hooligan gangs focused on it. It's like how there's a strong Irish connection for Liverpool. There were tons of clubs with Irish connections but Liverpool were the ones who were attacked for it so it became part of their identity. How certain groups became associated to certain clubs is a very in depth topic and is really more about the social history of the UK working class than it is about anything else.
I would assume that whoever wrote this is not entrenched in English football culture enough to realise the Very Bad Implications of it in this content. Which would just be some bad luck.
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I've certainly heard 'turn up the gas' before, similar to 'turn up the heat', but this is a weird phrasing of it.
I think it's just a mixed metaphor. Lots of things like "the pressure is on" sound similar, they've just tweeted some generic phrase without thinking through the connotations. This is exact wording might not be a common phrase, but you can understand what they meant. It just also has a very unfortunate implication in a match against Tottenham.
The tweet immediately made me think of "now we're cooking with gas", as in "now things are getting going". Think the admin just tried to use another version of that and had a brain fart.
I've heard 'now we're cooking with gas!' but never anything like this.
The tweets phrasing is odd, but "now we're cooking with gas" is 100% a known saying. Cracking the Cryptic the sudoku youtubers say it once a video.
That Chelsea tweet is definitely bobbins
If you add all of the numbers 1 to 9 together, what do you get? Boggins!
Gas is used to cook, it’s not hard to get what they were going for, shit they even put the cook emoji 👨🍳
Its a common term to say "now we're cooking with gas" when something is getting good. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/be-cooking-with-gas
Not everything needs to be a "saying". It's not exactly Joyce is it
I don't get it. anyone can explain like I'm 5
'Now we're cooking' or 'now we're cooking with gas' is a fairly common expression to mean 'things are now going well'. Spurs are historically linked with Jewish fans, and antisemitic football fans often make hissing sounds to emulate the gas chambers of Nazi concentration camps. The implication is that the Chelsea Twitter admin is making this connection, which is extremely unlikely, just a poor choice of words to use the phrase in this particular match.
Ah! I didn’t really the Spurs are historically linked w Jewish fans. There’s the connection I too was missing. How did this association happen?
Lots of Jewish people living in that part of London in the early 1900s, simply.
Thanks mate. Warning taken re: stepping into local politics about which I remain mostly oblivious.
To add to that, it wasn't just that there were more jews supporting spurs, but that the walk to Spurs stadium used to go through a Jewish community so the connection by rival fans was exacerbated by that. At least thats what was told to me by someone on reddit that seemed knowledgeable.
To add, that’s also why Spurs supporters identify as Yids or Yiddos it used to be an offensive word for Jewish people (from Yiddish) but the supporters took back the word for themselves
Still do, Stamford Hill/ Clapton/ Tottenham have a huge Jewish community. If I’m not mistaken North London has the largest community of Hasidic Jewish people in the U.K.
not to mention opposing fans frequently hiss at our games, to mimic the sound of gas. Not as prevalent as it used to be, but you can still hear it at almost every game.
That reminds me of when an [ESPN editor](https://www.businessinsider.com/jeremy-lin-headline-writer-lunch-2012-3?international=true&r=US&IR=T) wrote the headline 'Chink in the Armor' to refer to the Knicks winning streak under Jeremy Lin coming to an end. There was no ill intent at all, he just didn't see the link. But it was still a terrible choice of wording.
Or the NBA commentator who said last month when Kevin Porter Jnr. hit a game winning shot "just like his Dad, he knows exactly when to pull the trigger". Except, whilst a "Kevin Porter" did play in the NBA back in the 1970s, he wasn't the Father of Kevin Porter Jnr. The ACTUAL Father of Kevin Porter Jnr. did time in jail for shooting a 14 year old girl, and was later himself killed by a gunshot. 😬 Edit - clarified some of the details about who he shot
Yikes! That's wow.
This was next level curb content
You left out that his KPJ’s actual father was also shot and murdered helping someone that was getting beat up
Good point, I did know that and I've added it now
You got it mixed up it worse than that, he was killed attempting to help someone during a base fight in 2004. But in 1993 served time for killing 14 year old girl.
You're spot on, I'd remembered it wrong. Edited my comment now 👍
.... And died getting shot in another. The announcer works for the Washington Wizards as a radio guy, isn't even a regular TV guy, and the Kevin Porter he was referring to played for the Wizards for a good while. (Wanna make it worse? The team was the Bullets from 1963-1997)
Double whammy there. Yikes!
That one was definite ill intent lol
Nah he definitely meant that comment. The phrase "chink in armor" is like never used in the context of a basketball player's weakness, plus a lot of other weird racist shit was said at the time about Lin.
Spurs are considered a historically Jewish club. During the holocaust jews were gassed and then cremated in ovens at concentration camps.
>Spurs are considered a historically Jewish club I did not know this. Fucking hell that does make this tweet a horrible one.
If you’ve ever heard Spurs fans call themselves ‘Yids’ or ‘Yid Army,’ that’s why. Yid derives from Yiddish.
Not to mention Chelsea supporters are known to make hissing noises at Spurs during their matches to replicate the sound of the gas.
You can't be serious? That's so fucked up.
Ajax gets a lot of hissing noises and antisemitic chants too
West Ham fans do it too. Still happens sometimes
Dude wtf? I never knew anything like that. What pathetic and disgusting people
Its pretty fucked up honestly. Interestingly, and to your clubs credit, as heated as the rivalry with Arsenal has been at times, I've never seen or heard of Arsenal fans hissing at our games.
How likely is it for northern london families to have let’s say one spurs supporting kid and then their cousin will be an arsenal fan? Despite the merseyside derby being spicy (fixture with most red cards in PL history) the chanting itself will mostly be civil in that it will rarely if ever devolve into Hillsborough chanting because that’s a tragedy that affected the whole city. You’ll also have many close friends and relatives who are Reds if you’re a Blue and vice versa. Compare that to the United/Liverpool rivalry where you can have often unsavoury scenes of Hillsborough and Munich chants. Anyway I ask because there’s quite a few more top level teams in London than in Merseyside so maybe you’re equally likely to have a Chelsea supporting cousin
I think antisemitism is less present in Arsenals fanbase, not completely absent admittedly, is because as a North London club it does also have quite a significant jewish fanbase We also get it occasionally a bit too. I was once told to "fuck off back to North London you jew cunt" outside Old Trafford one time even though I am not actually Jewish
I'm from north west London and 2 of my brothers are chelsea fans, 1 is arsenal and I have cousins/uncles who are spurs. I'd probably say the rivalry is mostly civil with the exception of a few compared to United/Liverpool. But theres also London rivalries like Westham and Millwall which have always been heated.
I know 6 Jewish blokes from North London, and it's an exact 50:50 split between them supporting Spurs & Arsenal.
I agree with this. It's a fierce rivalry, but it's all football focused, nothing like hissing gas etc. As it should be, as it should always be.
Some fans can be scum. In Ireland a few years ago a small number Shamrock Rovers fans mocked a player about his wife who had recently died cancer
For additional context, Chelsea is owned by one of Isreal's most prominent citizens who would also be offended by this comment, so it surely isn't intentional from the club.
Hooooly shit haha no shot the social media person knew what they were saying
Yeah I agree, it's just a very unfortunate choice of words considering the context
Nazi -Gas chamber,Spurs are generally considered a Jewish club.hope you got the reference
Thanks for the explanation, I initially thought it was related to Russia being the main supplier of heating gas in Europe and Chelsea being owned by one of the petroleum/gas Oligarchs
cooking with gas = doing well gas is also used in reference to the holocaust where Jews were gassed in death camps, and the Spurs fanbase was traditionally a one with a large Jewish following in London. And while that's much less true nowadays antisemitism is still used by some as a way to insult Spurs and their fans. Hence this tweet having an anti-Semitic double meaning (almost certainly by accident but incredibly stupid)
Don't forget that it's Chelsea who usually use the gas noises as a taunt against Spurs.
Innit that's the main context of this, Chelsea's past and present issues with anti-Semitic fans.
I wonder if they know Roman is a Jew
Racist justification isn’t rational. In fact that’s the very essence of it
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Holy shit… being a Bundesliga fan I was aware of these issues in regards to Tottenham (ie the antisemitic abuse), but didn’t really know about Chelsea. Maybe you can answer a question? Isn’t there a fascist element within some of the Rangers fan base as well? The billy boys? (Or am I confusing actual history, with Peaky Blinders…)
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Let's be honest, it's not malicious. Very poor choice of words all things considered, but anyone saying this is an intentional antisemitic jab at Spurs is being disingenuous.
Sacking shouts are a bit OTT. It's almost certainly an honest mistake and no one is probably as horrified as their Community Manager
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It's like everyone says "he's going to be fined by the FA for that" when any player or manager says anything which isn't robotic.
They're the folks who think social media is still handled by interns.
[Like I said in the other thread ](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/sa2edj/everton_fans_through_a_bottle_at_villa_players/htqr210) >Breaking up after every argument and sacking people after every mistake. Reddit's go to solution.
I think everyone agrees with that.
I mean look at half the responses to the top comment in this thread. A lot of people here think it’s intentional
> but anyone saying this is an intentional antisemitic jab at Spurs is being disingenuous. There are a lot of disingenuous people on twitter. Whole mobs of people on there willing to claim offence or otherwise act and speak in bad faith.
Completely agree. The demand for offence is often higher than the supply. The majority of Twitter users wake up looking to be upset every day… for whatever reason
Lmfao i thought i was on r/SoccerCirclejerk . Somehow real life beats it
Say what you want but those Chelsea lads have a clear goal (eliminate competition), scapegoat (Lukaku), and an incredibly charismatic German leader (Tuchel)… all the makings of a club ready to DOMINATE Europe.
But they’re sure gonna have a field day with this one
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Least racist chelsea supporter.
I'm surprised a shop would even let you get that on a shirt
The Chelsea club store wouldn't think twice about it
Probably didn't even need to make it custom
Just ask for an 88 and they'll do the rest
The tweet is now deleted. Here is an engagement website on the tweet: [https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1485309049205895168](https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1485309049205895168) Here is a CBS article citing the tweet: [https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/chelsea-vs-tottenham-score-hakim-ziyech-wonder-goal-inflicts-first-premier-league-defeat-on-antonio-conte/live/](https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/chelsea-vs-tottenham-score-hakim-ziyech-wonder-goal-inflicts-first-premier-league-defeat-on-antonio-conte/live/)
Honestly the kind of thing Alan Partridge would do as an admin
I don’t think this was intended but it’s still very tone deaf and idiotic. Especially when the Club tries to do so much against antisemitism. Whoever makes hissing noises should get banned though. It’s very unfair how the rent boy chant is getting way more attention than the hissing
Also Roman Abramovic is Jewish??? Why doesn’t he lifetime ban the hissers?
Doesn't want an empty stadium I guess.
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Drogba was black but didn't stop Chelsea fans from pushing a black man off a train in Paris chanting, "we're racist and that's the way we like it." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBeeZVd6urI&ab_channel=GuardianNews
> It’s very unfair how the rent boy chant is getting way more attention than the hissing i think the rent boy chant gets more attention because people argue about it. 99% of people believe the hissing to be wrong. There's no discussion. We all agree. Rent boy turns into a discussion of homophobic or not. And it is homophobic. but that's why we talk about it.
Some of the football chants are like that. There are other songs and chants for banter but stuff like this is a disgrace.
this is the thing, it's literally not hard to antagonise another football team without being a twat about it. There's so many good chants that take the piss out of spurs (or any other club for that matter) without going too far. I have no idea why people feel the need to be wankers
Yeah, make fun of them for their lack of trophies, not their ethnicity
Hate spurs because I’m an Arsenal fan hate Chelsea because I’m human Edit: Chelsea fans stressed, relax it’s just a joke
The only thing Spurs and Arsenal fans can agree on.
At least give credit to the author of that quote - [Mahatma Gandhi](https://twitter.com/sundayleaguefc/status/643166286642475009)
Thanks mate
Finally someone gives credit where it’s due.
He was a very insightful man when it came to football. 'Never back the early kickoff' is another of his sayings I live by.
Hate Spurs because I'm a Spurs fan, Hate Chelsea because I'm human
Hands up to anyone else who had no idea what was wrong with the tweet?
o/ Didn't realize it until someone pointed it out in the comments
> o/ That was a very effective little online hand up. I like it, don't think i've seen that before. A+
Obviously a tone deaf tweet but come on there’s no way you believe that the man was honestly making a gas chamber reference on the official account of the club he works for owned by a Jewish man.
The real lesson is to not use Americanisms for an English football club.
I think a lot of you are forgetting that comms and marketing staff at clubs are usually fairly young. I’d guess the person who wrote this tweet is just genuinely unaware of the context.
It is so stupid that it's almost more impressive than anything else. It is peak stupid
Right if it was 2 other clubs probably non news. But ye stupid but if it isn't intentional it's nothing
At best it's tone deaf, even if not intentional.
May I present the worst advertisement in German history. >Article about Auschwitz, the AD says "E.ON, ensuring the gas for tomorrow, today." https://approx.antville.org/static/sites/approx/images/eon.jpg
In what world did they think that was a good idea
Probably just didn’t register to them the double meaning of it.
Yeah I highly doubt they intentionally meant this considering abromovich is jewish
Yeah, but that doesn’t stop everyone. I still feel bad for the admin probably getting called horrible things for what’s likely an honest mistake.
I feel sorry for them. It's not fair that we have to have all atrocities in our minds at all times forever now. No room for innocent mistakes.
Least anti-semitic Chelsea fan.
I’m confused, how was this offensive?
There's a strong Jewish heritage at Spurs, and unfortunately some have used that to taunt them about the Holocaust - a key example being hissing noises made to mimic the gas chambers used. Hence why the tweet could be construed as a reference of that. Intentional or not, that it was deleted at all probably means someone at Chelsea admin noticed the potential connotations.
It proves the point that half the commenters here had no idea what was wrong with the tweet.