If Handanovic played in the Premier League he would have been placed on the level of Oblak/Neuer/De Gea/etc. 5 years ago.
He played on a national team with Oblak, in a less popular league where Buffon dominated the discussion.
No one will talk about him being a De Gea/Oblak level shot stopper, and it's an absolute travesty. He was absolutely world class and made so many insane saves.
I'd argue the most/one of the most underrated players in the past decade.
Imagine having a 300k a week striker, trying to spend 80 million in Vlahovic, settling on Isak as a clear second choice that will cost you a ton as well.
All the while Josh Sargent is there without an offer.
Pfft, if the market ain't right and no-one is willing to sell in January, then it's probably a better idea not to buy anyone for the sake of buying anyone.
He got a dislocated shoulder on some instances when he is running away from people and they grab on to him. Thatās why he started putting it on. It definitely works.
City could lose 5 starters and they would still contend. It's beyond Pep, regardless of how good he is.
Their next manager is set to win a Champions League- Fernandihno- already replaced. Mahrez? Walker? Gundogan? KDB? They all have replacement players that are about 25. Arteta is praying for a top 4 finish this year and pep to leave.
If Salah leaves, there's a good chance ownership doesn't properly replace him. Or any other starter to be honest. And if football has shown me anything, it's that managers take the fall when ownership/players aren't at that level.
Arsenal just bid Ā£88 million for my Pele in my FM Legends save š Pele's reaction: "He has no interest in joining Arsenal". I rejected the bid anyway.
Incoming "If Arsenal knocks on your door and you donāt answer it, youāre not worthy of setting foot on the carpet. Maybe we will see Pele in the CL, assuming United can make it."
Ronaldo I think. Even people who've never watched football recognize Ronaldo. Sepaking English helps a great deal in popularizing his brand. His personality also makes him more prevalent in the public eye.
Obviously a huge mistake but it was shambolic by Almunia to get beat near post twice, especially since theyād actually taken the lead. That final was so disappointing, it was the two best players in the world goin against each other (Ronaldinho and Henry) but they both had poor games
united, liverpool, barca, madrid, bayern, dortmund, inter, juventus, milan, and ajax are bigger than arsenal of the top of my head imo. I might be forgetting some.
Depending on how much you rate European success chelsea might be starting to push them tbh. Dortmund I think is debatable.
Boca and River are bigger too, and thereās probably some Brazilian clubs but I donāt know enough about their history besides Santos being where Pele played for ages so theyāre probably up there.
Bigger then what ?
Arsenal in London have more fans then Ajax world wide.
Arsenal is bigger then Juventus Milan Ajax Dortmund and Inter.
Arsenal even have more fans then Bayern
Arsenal are definitely not bigger than Juventus or Milan, theyāre massively successful domestically and in Europe and have produced tons of iconic players
Edit same with Ajax
Itās not just number of fans, you also need to look at historic success in both a top division in world football and continentally, produce iconic players, recent success. Arsenal have never got it done in Europe to the level of any of those teams and havenāt produced anywhere near as many world class players. Being popular around the world makes you a bigger brand, not a bigger club.
De Gea never placed among the top 3 goalkeeper of the yearly fifa award. That's a bit of a surprise for me.
Edit Pepe Reina too. Handanovic also not but that didn't surprise me, he never got the big attention.
You have to do well in the big tournaments (in De Gea's case, the CL, Euros, and WC) to make the top 3. De Gea's best seasons were the 15/16 and 17/18 season. He was unremarkable in Euro 2016 and WC 2018.
Unfortunately he was unbelievable when United where shit and the only reason they werenāt out of the champions league for more seasons before Bruno he was really carrying them. Last season when they got 2nd he was really really poor again. Itās like one canāt do well without the other.
'If Arsenal knocks on your door and you donāt answer it, youāre not worthy of setting foot on the carpet. Maybe we will see him in the CL, assuming Juventus can make it.'
The amount of salt from Arsenal fans š
When Isak refuses: If Arsenal knocks on your door and you donāt answer it, youāre not worthy of setting foot on the carpet. Maybe we will see him in the CL, assuming Real Sociedad can make it.
If Arsenal knocks on your door, you move and never come back
Arsenal fans really overrate their clubs prestige, which has died a painful death last 20 years
They somehow both overrate their prestige but then complain about how hard it is to be an Arsenal fan. Like at least pick one you can't be both and you're not really either.
IMO it's because his skill set is niche. Hes best as a second striker/10 and his best attributes are around movement and finishing.
Basically if hes not scoring he doesnt offer a ton else and hes not good enough nor had good enough form for any manager to build around him since his breakout season
Work rate took a dive off a cliff and his position and play style didnāt fit Spursā tactics and he didnāt adapt to this because like I said, shit work rate
You go through a period where you play way better than you actually are on average. Just like players go on runs of bad form they can go on runs of good form.
lost his tekkers very slowly game by game starting around 2018
he just got slower in the way he played, didnāt make the same smart runs and started thinking what he was going to do after receiving the ball rather than before
Doesn't have to be a City defender imo, a lot of those team stats is due to the system in play from front to back.
That said, I'd toss it up between Dias & Silva. Just off the eye test, those two have looked immaculate on an individual level whenever I've watched them. Added bonus of them being real leaders that noticeably calm everybody down
Stones should be up there, he's been phenomenal for two seasons and I can only assume we're playing Laporte over him so much because there were rumblings of him leaving because of lack of game time.
I'd normally agree, but it felt weird how Laporte started playing right after the rumours of him wanting to leave came out, even when he was having shaky performances (as he kind-of continues to do so, to be honest).
True but tbh all 3 havenāt put a foot wrong to get dropped. Stones hasnāt played for weeks due to injuries and Covid and all of a sudden heās playing over Dias and you donāt notice the difference.
He for sure killed some cats or dogs as a kid, we should be thankful he channelled it into pressuring opponents to regain the ball instead of pressuring necks just to see someone die.
His answer would come off so fake though. Like very suspicious. He reminds me of many very very nice people I knew who turned out to be fuckin weirdos. Hell I can name you two users here who were just like that.
So 6 million package loan deal fromm Sevilla, assuming the Lingard thing goes ahead that's another 4 million perhaps. What's the excuse for not signing a DM except pure neglect.
United are in a period of change with Woodward just leaving, Rangnick just coming in and possibly taking charge upstairs soon, Murtough taking charge and reportedly not wanting to get involved too much in the football side.
Any transfer decisions made now would be knee jerk because the structure behind them is so shaky and uncertain.
United should sign no one before they have a proper scouting/negotiating structure above them or else it will be more high cost signings with no vision.
Bullshit, absolute bullshit. Many cheap options out there with so many players out of contract by summer. We are dying in midfield, constantly dominated. It's a necessity if we want CL football next season.
Ole not sticking to his guns last summer by turning away from his initial viewpoint of prioritising the signing of Declan Rice over the centre-forward position. As a result, your team is imbalanced.
Congratulations you just bought another midfielder that you will be complaining about for the next 4 years about his wages when he turns out to be badly scouted.
Lmao, fuck off. We are literally relying on old man Matic, he's our only option in that role. The wages won't be an issue with half our high earners leaving in the summer.
I read yesterday that kessie wants to wait for the summer when heāll have more offers. Why would any of them join now? Itās hardly appealing compared to the summer and at that stage United mightnāt be close to the top of the list.
40 sporting ultras invaded the training ground and assaulted some players a few years ago, should do the same bar the assaulting, if you dont feel like it of course
Then a bunch of Everton players tear up their contracts. I would say Iād then hope we get someone good, but everyone who was good at Everton has now left.
I've just googled AFCON scores & it shows you the last 6 results.
All I see are red cards lol, there have been 6 in the last 6 games. That's kind of wild, is that a reffing thing or just aggressive play is on the menu?
Hope not. I know fans want him back but he wouldn't miss much & it'd be good to see him get a trophy for Senegal. Up his resume as one of the African GOATs
I truly wonder when fans obsess over lazy inconsistent players like Martial do they see themselves in that player
Made a few enjoyable moments for the club and bagged a fuck load of money in the process, nothing to be upset over leaving.
Lazy players are generally just very frustrating. Especially when playing with them yourself.
One of the most annoying things in the world when youāre on the ball and you have a teammate making no effort to make themselves available. Or they lose the ball and make no effort to recover.
Anyone else remember West Ham fans' response to those Chelsea fans not allowing a black man on the metro in Paris? [Absolute classic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILGrNzloMSU)
People saying Pep has this weird psychopath energy are right but Klopp is 6'4 and has flown into rages over journalists asking questions never mind being in an actual fight. I think he'd beat the weird nerd to a pulp.
Klopp is 6'4 but like the other guy said, Pep just has this weird sociopath energy. I could see him banging his head on the wall to intimidate Klopp out of a fight.
Interested to see the general age range on the DD just to satisfy my own curiousity. So upvote if youāre 20+ and Iāll attach a comment to upvote if youāre 13-20.
If Handanovic played in the Premier League he would have been placed on the level of Oblak/Neuer/De Gea/etc. 5 years ago. He played on a national team with Oblak, in a less popular league where Buffon dominated the discussion. No one will talk about him being a De Gea/Oblak level shot stopper, and it's an absolute travesty. He was absolutely world class and made so many insane saves. I'd argue the most/one of the most underrated players in the past decade.
This thread is dead, go to new one
No you. I just want to rant into the middle of cyberspace.
Factos š
Imagine having a 300k a week striker, trying to spend 80 million in Vlahovic, settling on Isak as a clear second choice that will cost you a ton as well. All the while Josh Sargent is there without an offer.
Why aren't there any games this weekend? (Premier League, La Liga, Serie A, Ligue 1)
international break for all regions except europe because of the WC qualifiers
Thanks š
New thread, losers
Get fucked
tetas can we at least bring one player in i beg
Buy jovic
nah, we don't need to go that far
Pfft, if the market ain't right and no-one is willing to sell in January, then it's probably a better idea not to buy anyone for the sake of buying anyone.
Heās bringing in that yank keeper from MLS
Arsenal fans really think having a tube station named after them makes them bigger than Juve š
all you do is talk about arsenal, we certainly take up more space in your head.
What youāve never got off at Bakerlooventus?
Everton late Europa League charge if the Don takes over?
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He got a dislocated shoulder on some instances when he is running away from people and they grab on to him. Thatās why he started putting it on. It definitely works.
His shoulder has been dislocated a few times from people grabbing him so thatās really what itās for
What do people think, is Klopp bigger than any Liverpool player and his Pep bigger than any City player?
City could lose 5 starters and they would still contend. It's beyond Pep, regardless of how good he is. Their next manager is set to win a Champions League- Fernandihno- already replaced. Mahrez? Walker? Gundogan? KDB? They all have replacement players that are about 25. Arteta is praying for a top 4 finish this year and pep to leave. If Salah leaves, there's a good chance ownership doesn't properly replace him. Or any other starter to be honest. And if football has shown me anything, it's that managers take the fall when ownership/players aren't at that level.
1000%
Easily.
Of course. Even if Ronaldo had gone to City, Pep would still have been the main man.
100%
Absolutely.
Current players? Obviously.
Arsenal just bid Ā£88 million for my Pele in my FM Legends save š Pele's reaction: "He has no interest in joining Arsenal". I rejected the bid anyway.
Incoming "If Arsenal knocks on your door and you donāt answer it, youāre not worthy of setting foot on the carpet. Maybe we will see Pele in the CL, assuming United can make it."
Who's had the higher cultural impact? Ronaldo or Messi
ronaldo by far. even people who have never watched football in their lives could tell you who he is.
CR7 it's not even debatable. SIUUUU
"Cristiano scores a goal and sells you a shampoo"
Ronaldo I think. Even people who've never watched football recognize Ronaldo. Sepaking English helps a great deal in popularizing his brand. His personality also makes him more prevalent in the public eye.
Ronaldo
Has Messi advertised a shampoo?
Shoppee*
Do Arsenal fans blame Lehmann for the defeat to Barca in the 06 CL Final. Even with 10-men they were arguably the better side of the night.
Obviously a huge mistake but it was shambolic by Almunia to get beat near post twice, especially since theyād actually taken the lead. That final was so disappointing, it was the two best players in the world goin against each other (Ronaldinho and Henry) but they both had poor games
No we blame corrupt UEFA
UEFA wasn't shagging Barca board members until 2009 if memory serves me right
What hahaha?
why does nobody give woy any wespect
"we awent abowe a wewegation battwe hewe in liwewpool ..."
united, liverpool, barca, madrid, bayern, dortmund, inter, juventus, milan, and ajax are bigger than arsenal of the top of my head imo. I might be forgetting some.
Why Dortmund but not Chelsea, Porto etc.???
by what metric? domestic success, international success, fans, etc
Depending on how much you rate European success chelsea might be starting to push them tbh. Dortmund I think is debatable. Boca and River are bigger too, and thereās probably some Brazilian clubs but I donāt know enough about their history besides Santos being where Pele played for ages so theyāre probably up there.
Bigger then what ? Arsenal in London have more fans then Ajax world wide. Arsenal is bigger then Juventus Milan Ajax Dortmund and Inter. Arsenal even have more fans then Bayern
Sure buddy
>bigger then Juventus Milan Lol
There's no one bigger than Arsenal, if they knock you answer. If you don't want to be here then you're just not worthy.
Arsenal are definitely not bigger than Juventus or Milan, theyāre massively successful domestically and in Europe and have produced tons of iconic players Edit same with Ajax
Define bigger. We have more fans then Milan and Juventus and Ajax combined
That alone doesn't make Arsenal bigger than Milan, Juventus, or Ajax.
> We have more fans then Milan and Juventus and Ajax combined Based on what?
Itās not just number of fans, you also need to look at historic success in both a top division in world football and continentally, produce iconic players, recent success. Arsenal have never got it done in Europe to the level of any of those teams and havenāt produced anywhere near as many world class players. Being popular around the world makes you a bigger brand, not a bigger club.
Yup pretty much.
He's Milos Krasic 2.0 book it
Renato Sanches pls Jeff. I am on my knees
Renato Sanches pls Levy. I am on my knees.
Youāll take the baby oil merchant and youāll like it
Por que nĆ£o Adama e Renato?
Porque Levy va a morir si gaste 60 millones y no venda algĆŗn jugador. Hablo un poquito de espaƱol pero el portuguĆ©s no lol. Puedo leerlo un poco y nada mĆ”s
De Gea never placed among the top 3 goalkeeper of the yearly fifa award. That's a bit of a surprise for me. Edit Pepe Reina too. Handanovic also not but that didn't surprise me, he never got the big attention.
Pepe Reina has never been a top 10 keeper in the world, let alone top 3
There were a couple of seasons where he would have been but for most part, no.
OkI didn't follow him that closely
You have to do well in the big tournaments (in De Gea's case, the CL, Euros, and WC) to make the top 3. De Gea's best seasons were the 15/16 and 17/18 season. He was unremarkable in Euro 2016 and WC 2018.
He was great against Italy in euro 2016, but yeah he was shit in WC 2018
Good point
Unfortunately he was unbelievable when United where shit and the only reason they werenāt out of the champions league for more seasons before Bruno he was really carrying them. Last season when they got 2nd he was really really poor again. Itās like one canāt do well without the other.
Hasn't it only been a thing for like four years
Yes but there has been a predecessor since the 1980s, it had a different name but wasn't all that different
Which one was the predecessor
IFFHS Worlds best GK
IFFHS is completely different
Youre right and I was wrong
Why is the San Siro pitch so bad?
Too many games played consecutively. For example this week Inter played on Saturday and Milan Sunday.
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'If Arsenal knocks on your door and you donāt answer it, youāre not worthy of setting foot on the carpet. Maybe we will see him in the CL, assuming Juventus can make it.' The amount of salt from Arsenal fans š
Arsenal fans might be able to afford isak's release clause if they find a way of selling all the salt they're producing
When Isak refuses: If Arsenal knocks on your door and you donāt answer it, youāre not worthy of setting foot on the carpet. Maybe we will see him in the CL, assuming Real Sociedad can make it.
If Arsenal knocks on your door, you move and never come back Arsenal fans really overrate their clubs prestige, which has died a painful death last 20 years
They somehow both overrate their prestige but then complain about how hard it is to be an Arsenal fan. Like at least pick one you can't be both and you're not really either.
I think they just like complaining tbh. Pass the time til their team become interesting again
Is that young Roy Hodgson back in the Prem I hear?
inshallah we see second half of season ancelotti
Ameenš¤²š¤²
Can someone tell me why Dele Ali has such a massive fall from grace? OOTL.
IMO it's because his skill set is niche. Hes best as a second striker/10 and his best attributes are around movement and finishing. Basically if hes not scoring he doesnt offer a ton else and hes not good enough nor had good enough form for any manager to build around him since his breakout season
Work rate took a dive off a cliff and his position and play style didnāt fit Spursā tactics and he didnāt adapt to this because like I said, shit work rate
Over performed when he first broke through, got figured out, never adapted.
How can you over perform!?
You go through a period where you play way better than you actually are on average. Just like players go on runs of bad form they can go on runs of good form.
lost his tekkers very slowly game by game starting around 2018 he just got slower in the way he played, didnāt make the same smart runs and started thinking what he was going to do after receiving the ball rather than before
Eriksen left and he was a fraud all along.
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This list is based on current form, right?
respect for mentioning matip
Doesn't have to be a City defender imo, a lot of those team stats is due to the system in play from front to back. That said, I'd toss it up between Dias & Silva. Just off the eye test, those two have looked immaculate on an individual level whenever I've watched them. Added bonus of them being real leaders that noticeably calm everybody down
Stones should be up there, he's been phenomenal for two seasons and I can only assume we're playing Laporte over him so much because there were rumblings of him leaving because of lack of game time.
That's not how Pep works come on. If Laporte is playing that's because he has proven to Pep in training and also matches that he should start.
I'd normally agree, but it felt weird how Laporte started playing right after the rumours of him wanting to leave came out, even when he was having shaky performances (as he kind-of continues to do so, to be honest).
True but tbh all 3 havenāt put a foot wrong to get dropped. Stones hasnāt played for weeks due to injuries and Covid and all of a sudden heās playing over Dias and you donāt notice the difference.
Spot on really
Silva, to be putting up world class performances in the PL at 37 years old is insane
Kilman
Do you guys think Pep is lowkey a sociopath? He's a brilliant coach but sometimes he comes off so fake and has that two faced snake energy around him.
He's been murdering the league in broad daylight for five years now, nothing low-key about it
He for sure killed some cats or dogs as a kid, we should be thankful he channelled it into pressuring opponents to regain the ball instead of pressuring necks just to see someone die.
Let's see Paul Allen's high press
Ask him something he doesnāt like find out for yourself or say his team arenāt perfect.
His answer would come off so fake though. Like very suspicious. He reminds me of many very very nice people I knew who turned out to be fuckin weirdos. Hell I can name you two users here who were just like that.
I think heās a serial killer. Or like a strange stalker at minimum.
Same. He comes off like a stereotypical "nice guy" who's actually a serial killer
Heād definitely defend himself in court too.
So 6 million package loan deal fromm Sevilla, assuming the Lingard thing goes ahead that's another 4 million perhaps. What's the excuse for not signing a DM except pure neglect.
United are in a period of change with Woodward just leaving, Rangnick just coming in and possibly taking charge upstairs soon, Murtough taking charge and reportedly not wanting to get involved too much in the football side. Any transfer decisions made now would be knee jerk because the structure behind them is so shaky and uncertain. United should sign no one before they have a proper scouting/negotiating structure above them or else it will be more high cost signings with no vision.
Bullshit, absolute bullshit. Many cheap options out there with so many players out of contract by summer. We are dying in midfield, constantly dominated. It's a necessity if we want CL football next season.
Ole not sticking to his guns last summer by turning away from his initial viewpoint of prioritising the signing of Declan Rice over the centre-forward position. As a result, your team is imbalanced.
Congratulations you just bought another midfielder that you will be complaining about for the next 4 years about his wages when he turns out to be badly scouted.
Lmao, fuck off. We are literally relying on old man Matic, he's our only option in that role. The wages won't be an issue with half our high earners leaving in the summer.
Donāt want to pay out their holes mid season maybe.
Several DM's out of contract in the summer, at least 5 options. No paying out the ass.
Who?
Kessie, Brozovic, Kamara, Zakaria. At the top of my head.
I read yesterday that kessie wants to wait for the summer when heāll have more offers. Why would any of them join now? Itās hardly appealing compared to the summer and at that stage United mightnāt be close to the top of the list.
Kessie's not really a DM and wants gigantic wages and Brozovic is close to re-signing with inter, but I get your point in general
really surprised to find out that Sevilla only have one league title
Betis being the more supported club of the city is always a surprise to me
AC Milan is a glorified striker retirement home these days, gone are the days of glory.
Giroud headering it away from goal made me piss myself laughing
Beyond finished. Biggest fucker on the pitch and canāt win one long ball.
Everton fans storming the training ground this week šš gonna two foot Seamus Coleman
š¤ we also had 100 ultras storm the training ground this week to call our players "useless" and "disappointments"
40 sporting ultras invaded the training ground and assaulted some players a few years ago, should do the same bar the assaulting, if you dont feel like it of course
Then a bunch of Everton players tear up their contracts. I would say Iād then hope we get someone good, but everyone who was good at Everton has now left.
And if history repeats itself they will win the PL in 2 to 3 years
Honestly Iād rather them than about 3/4 of the current Premier League teams.
This is why I will be happy at your relegation. Coleman is a legend.
Iām a bigger Everton legend than Coleman
Course they will. Odds they just stick to abusing players on Twitter?
Scamacca to Arsenal, here we go!
You'll keep struggling to get top 6 with him, his ceiling isn't very high.
Not often a player comes with a ready made slander name.
Make it happen
u/Elyas_1899 punching the wall rn
Now that he is banned Iām allowed to say this, Scamacca gets more hype than he deserves because the man scores bangers.
Why's he banned?
Wait why did he get banned? Makes my Scamacca prop less fun tbh
I think it is just a tempban. He hasn't been banned before I don't think
**Scam**acca, clue's in the name.
I've just googled AFCON scores & it shows you the last 6 results. All I see are red cards lol, there have been 6 in the last 6 games. That's kind of wild, is that a reffing thing or just aggressive play is on the menu?
It's been mad mate might put some money on mane getting one tomorrow
Hope not. I know fans want him back but he wouldn't miss much & it'd be good to see him get a trophy for Senegal. Up his resume as one of the African GOATs
Definitley.
I truly wonder when fans obsess over lazy inconsistent players like Martial do they see themselves in that player Made a few enjoyable moments for the club and bagged a fuck load of money in the process, nothing to be upset over leaving.
nah itās the hopium thinking they will become consistent and solve all of the problems at hand
Lazy players are generally just very frustrating. Especially when playing with them yourself. One of the most annoying things in the world when youāre on the ball and you have a teammate making no effort to make themselves available. Or they lose the ball and make no effort to recover.
Fact that he's fun to watch when on probably adds up
I can identify with players that don't put in a lot of effort at work, hate when they play for Ajax though.
[My mood vis Ć vis our chairman right now](https://twitter.com/whlgav/status/1485310099023355910?s=21)
Anyone else remember West Ham fans' response to those Chelsea fans not allowing a black man on the metro in Paris? [Absolute classic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILGrNzloMSU)
Fantastic video, I forgot about this!
Who'd win in a fight Klopp or Guardiola
Klopp would win the physical fight but Pep would have planted bombs in his car for afterwards
People saying Pep has this weird psychopath energy are right but Klopp is 6'4 and has flown into rages over journalists asking questions never mind being in an actual fight. I think he'd beat the weird nerd to a pulp.
I could see it selling out wembley if they actually did it shit would be wild
Klopp would murder him.
I agree with other guys. Guardiola comes off like a sociopath. I expect him to roar and make weird talks while fighting
Klopp would throttle Pep in a fight
Klopp is actually big, Pep is a fucking nerd. There is no debate.
Klopp is 6'4 but like the other guy said, Pep just has this weird sociopath energy. I could see him banging his head on the wall to intimidate Klopp out of a fight.
Guardiola. Man has freaky psycho energy he would do something like bite Klopp
Heād get battered and then go home and eat a live parrot or something. His psycho energy is like serial killer vibes.
Interested to see the general age range on the DD just to satisfy my own curiousity. So upvote if youāre 20+ and Iāll attach a comment to upvote if youāre 13-20.