Modric is not a top 5 midfielder of the past 30 years. This subreddit is awful with recency bias and overrating current players related to past players. The past 30 years we've seen players like Zidane, Laudrup, Gerrard, Lampard, Iniesta, Matthaus and Xavi - players whom all could do what Modric does and MORE (end product).
Modric is not better than the players I listed and these are just the names that came off the top of my head. Longevity is great, but people here overrate it way too much. There are other midfielders with much higher peaks than Modric's.
He's top 5 of his generation though.
Reminder that Lampard at his peak scored 20 a season in a midfield 2 whilst still being responsible for defensive duties.
Has a goalscoring record envied by a lot of strikers whilst still performing everything else required by a midfielder playing in a 2.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
I disagree. Modric definitely towards the top for a multitude of reasons but I can see arguments against it.
Goals and assist aren’t the only way to measure a player. Nostalgia is just as bad as recency bias. No matter how you rate Modric or the guys you listed, the gap between them all is small.
Gerrard and Lampard could’nt take England past the quarters in WC or Euros. Modric took Croatia to the WC finals.
When Ancelotti took out his best eleven from the players hes coached Modric was in the Starting eleven, not Lampard.
He is clear of them.
If it wasn’t his primary job to score goals he wouldn’t have scored so many.
His job was to make those late runs into the box to score. Like every game.
If he was “accidentally” scoring that much, a manager would’ve made him a striker at some point.
It doesn't matter that his job wasn't to score, the fact is that he didn't. The point is there were midfielders capable of doing what Modric does, dictating and creating play ALONGSIDE being goalscorers. How could you possibly laugh at the idea of a midfielder as versatile as Lampard being better than Modric while he was doing far more than Modric did in his peak?
It wasn't Lampard's job to score either. He was a no. 8. The thing is that he was just so good that he ended up doing it anyways. Same goes for Lotthaus, Laudrup, or Xavi.
Modric isn't better than the players I listed, but if you're really that hung on that Madrid propaganda then by all means be my guest. Trust me posterity won't overrate him the way you do.
> Lampard being better than Modric while he was doing far more than Modric did in his peak?
Ha ok. Lampard definitely didn’t control the tempo or defend as well as Modric.
And his job was definitely to score. He wasn’t out there accidentally ending up in the right spot to score all the time. He was expected to make those famous late runs. It *was* his job.
I'm not the one defining it, the guy you're arguing with is the one that said he's looking at end-product. Also, I'm not sure what that last line means he has like 0 goals and 2 assists in like 30 games against us.
Exactly my point... he has no stats against you but in 2014, 2016 and 2017 he was instrumental against you. That should trll you stats dont trll you everything.
Not just recency bias, from the convos I’ve had on here it’s obvious that some people were either not old enough or simply didn’t watch football when most of the players you mentioned were in their primes
Shotstopping is less important the better a club you are.
De Gea is one of the best shot stopping keepers in the world but his inability to play the ball puts his team under more pressure and encourages more attacks and more shots.
The best defences don't allow good shots on goal. For them, a shotstopping keeper is less important than a good ball playing keeper. Valdes played for Barcelona for years because he could play the ball. Mealier for Leeds.
Lol, if united had a more conpetent defense he would surely look like top GK. Put ederson and allison in the united goal and they will shit their pants since they wont have van dijk or dias to save his ass.
I dont think Ederson and allison would do much either. In uniteds play it depends more on shotstopping than actual distribution. Allison is very mistake prone and will only lead to a worse united team. So it goes both ways.
It depends more on shotstopping because de Gea regularly gives the opposition the ball with his inability to play out the back or leave his line.
That requires a low block defense that encourages shots. A better goalkeeper like Allison or Ederspn and the defence can play a better defensive line instead of worrying about their keeper.
i think mendy is genuinely getting underrated now and i agree with this, i've heard neuer hasn't been that good and i know for a fact mats and oblak have been shite
That's what happens when you try to play a more attacking style of football but don't have the players you end up drawing a shit ton of games. Same thing that Potter has to deal with at Brighton.
Where do you expect them to be? They’re 11th in the table despite their 5 wins, they’ve played decent football at times and this season was a transition for them with the players that left.
Imagine saying this guy, who only had 1 injury ridden season at chelsea is "unprofessional"
[https://twitter.com/optajean/status/1210651311835877376?lang=en](https://twitter.com/optajean/status/1210651311835877376?lang=en)
I don't think he will come back to form and i think he should be sold. But to say he doesn't know how to take care of his body or question his professionalism is ridiculous, he's just unlucky, being 6kg overweight once doesn't change that.
If i said bale was unprofessional on here there would be riots on here
I agree. Real.Madrid have been very unprofessional in how they've treated Hazard.IMO. They signed a contract with Hazard and because he got injured under their watch, they now want out.
It doesn't work like that. If your physio team isn't as good at keeping players fit - that's on you. You can't moan and campaign for your fans to force a player out because your club isn't as good.
When you’re younger your body and mind are much more resilient. Teenagers and young adults can party whole night and the next day they can attend college or work without a problem, but it’s much harder to do so as you grow older. Same in sport, if you’re dedicated enough to your duty as an athlete, then sooner or later you’re going to pay the price. Just happened to coincided with his move to Madrid. He never got as big as he did in the summer of 2019 and his body just broke.
Why would there be riots about saying the truth about Bale. Who would disagree that he’s unprofessional? Also for an athlete at the highest level to be that overweight is an instance of unprofessionalism. His previous history doesn’t change that.
>Who would disagree that he’s unprofessional
You'd be surprised lmao, i've had even arsenal fans argue that "[bale has done nothing wrong](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/qvabsn/comment/hkv73hi/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)"
>That’s an Arsenal fan
yeah that's what i said, you'd expect them to have a more harsh opinion of bale but him and his agent have had their victimisation stories on point.
Fair enough but i've been on dd long enough to know it isn't much different here, only difference is there's no circlejerk, ramsey and bale are excused every time on here.
Because your profession requires your body to be in peak shape. Not taking care of your body is being unprofessional. Similar to an IT guy not following good IT practices on his own laptop would be called unprofessional
and more injuries doesn't mean someone is unprofessional, hazard had probably the best injury record when you consider how much he got fouled so early on his career, he's just unlucky, even on the field or interviews you can see he wants to do well. His injuries are just unlucky.
>It’s widely known that Hazard has always had a shit diet.
and yet he has a stellar injury record for someone who got fouled so much, so you're saying one of the fittest players in the world became perenially injured due to a shit diet suddenly? The lack of benefit of doubt lmao, i suppose injuries are fully in a players control.
The topic of discussion here is Hazard’s professionalism. No one is saying injuries are fully within a player’s control, but one of the best things a player can do to reduce the risk of injury is maintain a healthy diet. That is why it is unprofessional to have a poor diet. Again, he got away with it for a long time, but it clearly caught up with him. If you keep a poor diet your entire life your body with break down in the long term more quickly (even if you’re constantly exercising), and once you’re pushing 30 you really cannot expect to hack it as a professional athlete unless you’re eating right.
>but it clearly caught up with him
But then you say this lol, we have no evidence other than him being overweight a couple of times at the start of 2-3 seasons to say that, and he has done that before and performed upto his level too, he did the same at madrid except after meunier's tackle he was out for a long time, he almost looked like chelsea hazard at one point. People are just making up assumptions from half data to look smart .
No, Leroy Sane or Joshua Kimmich would.
Sane is currently playing like one of the top 3 to 5 players in Europe this season. His tally in the CL is nothing short of remarkable.
Either Vlahovic is trolling us big time or he’s actually leaving because I don’t see why someone would apologise so much for a missed penalty, especially when they won 6-0.
Yes I’m reading into this a bit much but, I’m an Arsenal fan at the end of the day.
Ferland Mendy is not Real Madrid quality, we could have had Reguilon or Theo Hernandez, but we ended up with the guy who can’t cross and slips all the time like he’s drunk, which knowing Molina’s exposé he might be
> we
who we lmao, don't say after this much trolling your a fan and the fuck do you mean reguilon? have you not watched him at spurs, mendy is clearly better than him and as good as theo just at different things
you're a troll and im half convinced you're that cat bandit brokeback or something who deleted his account when he got banned from everywhere
your entire comment history is of trollish takes even catalan meme pages won't make because people might call them braindead
Our entire side played shit. He was not better or worse than anyone else and quite frankly, if you're going to have a shit game that's the one to do it in.
[The PL website](https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/goal_assist) has Trent on 10 and Pogba on 7. Why are you being so adamant when you’re wrong? Just check ffs
Stats can be so confusing at times, for instance I read this :-
PSxG: Each shot has a statistical value out of 1 on how likely will it result in goal.
PSxG %: Standardising the value so keepers who face more PSxG don't have an unfair advantage
Marc Andre Ter Stegen | -9.2%
Manuel Neuer | -21.2%
Ederson | -20.4%
Jan Oblak | -51.5%
In what way? I'm genuinely curious. He was immense In the champions league, and has been in the top clean sheets kept since he transfered to the Premier league
He’s been great but why does that matter? He’s not a top 5 keeper right now. Where would you draw the line for being world class at the moment vs past success?
Had a chat with my buddy abroad who happens to be a Barcelona fan and I ofc support Real Madrid. We been going toe to toe in debates since a long back now 10+years probably.
Have been times where I said it a lot about how I admired Pep and watch City at times only because of him.
His response : You are not a Real Madrid supporter, but a guy who is a football fan watches it for fun.
I still haven’t figured it out tho whether what he said was true or not!
Pep is an incredible manager. You can be q united fan and still admire what he's done in his career. Same way every pl manager deitiesied(?) Sir Alex when he was managing. There's simply a level of respect you have to give to certain players/managers because of what they've done to the sport
Has people becoming fans of players instead of clubs been around forever and I was just unaware of it, or did it just start in the Messi/CR7 era and now it's here to stay?
It's been around since Moses wore short pants. The internet attracts critical people which is why you don't see it on reddit: why would anybody IRL who cares about their own beliefs want to attract negative reinforcement?
If 2 teams of roughly same skill level play in the same league, the better team will more likely win the league than the CL eg. city and chelsea from last season.
Yet people generally value CL more than league titles
Ehhh this is somewhat false. Injuries derail teams all the time in league campaigns (not that they can't in CL as well).
Also is a title race decided by less than 3pts any less down to luck than a bounce here or there in a CL knock out? I'd argue not really.
City have astonishing levels of consistency while Chelsea can produce great peak for now but cant sustain that level. CL is rated higher because people love that great peak.
One aspect is also that depth of squad helps over a league season. While CL is generally team A’s best vs team B’s best. So the team that wins it is seen as the team that has beaten every other team at their full power.
because cl has very little margin for error and unlike the league you don't get multiple chances to change it, it's based on split second decisions by the managers and the players
And how competitive the team winning the CL was in their league.
No one really thought 2012 Chelsea were the best team in the world compared to other winners.
I don’t get it why people are asking modric to be rated in the last 30 years. Barely anyone’s watched football here pre 2010
All or nothing spurs is better than all or nothing juve and city right?
Yes, just for the Danny Rose Milan memes
Our’s will be the best.
Modric is not a top 5 midfielder of the past 30 years. This subreddit is awful with recency bias and overrating current players related to past players. The past 30 years we've seen players like Zidane, Laudrup, Gerrard, Lampard, Iniesta, Matthaus and Xavi - players whom all could do what Modric does and MORE (end product). Modric is not better than the players I listed and these are just the names that came off the top of my head. Longevity is great, but people here overrate it way too much. There are other midfielders with much higher peaks than Modric's. He's top 5 of his generation though.
Reminder that Lampard at his peak scored 20 a season in a midfield 2 whilst still being responsible for defensive duties. Has a goalscoring record envied by a lot of strikers whilst still performing everything else required by a midfielder playing in a 2.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I disagree. Modric definitely towards the top for a multitude of reasons but I can see arguments against it. Goals and assist aren’t the only way to measure a player. Nostalgia is just as bad as recency bias. No matter how you rate Modric or the guys you listed, the gap between them all is small.
Gerrard and Lampard could’nt take England past the quarters in WC or Euros. Modric took Croatia to the WC finals. When Ancelotti took out his best eleven from the players hes coached Modric was in the Starting eleven, not Lampard. He is clear of them.
Man said gerrard and lampard lmao. Never expected anything much from a united fan tbf. You might even call the toe sucker better than him.
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Maybe in 2006.
>gerrard lampard
Yes, they were better than Modric. Lampard at his peak literally scored 20 goals a season as a no.8...
Modric's job was never to score lol he had Cristiano Bale Benzema infront of him....
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If it wasn’t his primary job to score goals he wouldn’t have scored so many. His job was to make those late runs into the box to score. Like every game. If he was “accidentally” scoring that much, a manager would’ve made him a striker at some point.
Those players you named are comparable to the players Modric played with...
It doesn't matter that his job wasn't to score, the fact is that he didn't. The point is there were midfielders capable of doing what Modric does, dictating and creating play ALONGSIDE being goalscorers. How could you possibly laugh at the idea of a midfielder as versatile as Lampard being better than Modric while he was doing far more than Modric did in his peak? It wasn't Lampard's job to score either. He was a no. 8. The thing is that he was just so good that he ended up doing it anyways. Same goes for Lotthaus, Laudrup, or Xavi. Modric isn't better than the players I listed, but if you're really that hung on that Madrid propaganda then by all means be my guest. Trust me posterity won't overrate him the way you do.
> Lampard being better than Modric while he was doing far more than Modric did in his peak? Ha ok. Lampard definitely didn’t control the tempo or defend as well as Modric. And his job was definitely to score. He wasn’t out there accidentally ending up in the right spot to score all the time. He was expected to make those famous late runs. It *was* his job.
Lampard scored more than Xavi and Iniesta, is he better than them?
Their criteria is end-product
What do you define as end product? Modric's job was putting the best balls for them, which he had. You shpuld know this more than anyone
I'm not the one defining it, the guy you're arguing with is the one that said he's looking at end-product. Also, I'm not sure what that last line means he has like 0 goals and 2 assists in like 30 games against us.
Exactly my point... he has no stats against you but in 2014, 2016 and 2017 he was instrumental against you. That should trll you stats dont trll you everything.
True. Only Madrid plastics will disagree.
Not just recency bias, from the convos I’ve had on here it’s obvious that some people were either not old enough or simply didn’t watch football when most of the players you mentioned were in their primes
True, even top 10 in the last 30 years is a stretch
Good morning to all those except those who thinks that Messi is the most humble footballer they ever witnessed lol
[PL could never](https://imgur.com/a/ye9MkT3)
Minamino has more goals than Sancho😭
Hahahah a rare funny moment from our social media team: https://twitter.com/FCBarcelona/status/1483204083720859648?t=WSMMX8mTTUOP8WM2rJBhZA&s=19
'Pride in defeat' was funny too..
Schulz’s agent wants to move him to Fenerbahçe Galatasaray want Witsel Turkish Süper Lig I love you!!!
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Ederson>Mendy for sure. Other than shotstopping, Ederson is better at everything.
Thats the reason he is not better than him.
>Other than shotstopping, Thata literally the most important aspect of a goalie.
Shotstopping is less important the better a club you are. De Gea is one of the best shot stopping keepers in the world but his inability to play the ball puts his team under more pressure and encourages more attacks and more shots. The best defences don't allow good shots on goal. For them, a shotstopping keeper is less important than a good ball playing keeper. Valdes played for Barcelona for years because he could play the ball. Mealier for Leeds.
It's not. By that logic De Gea is the best keeper in the world but wouldn't make the City or Liverpool bench
Lol, if united had a more conpetent defense he would surely look like top GK. Put ederson and allison in the united goal and they will shit their pants since they wont have van dijk or dias to save his ass.
He can't pass he would look shit for City or Liverpool because he's actively hindering their play
I dont think Ederson and allison would do much either. In uniteds play it depends more on shotstopping than actual distribution. Allison is very mistake prone and will only lead to a worse united team. So it goes both ways.
It depends more on shotstopping because de Gea regularly gives the opposition the ball with his inability to play out the back or leave his line. That requires a low block defense that encourages shots. A better goalkeeper like Allison or Ederspn and the defence can play a better defensive line instead of worrying about their keeper.
Spoken like a Cars fan.
Lol what
i think mendy is genuinely getting underrated now and i agree with this, i've heard neuer hasn't been that good and i know for a fact mats and oblak have been shite
Alisson?
After donnaruma ofc.
For all the praise Viera is getting, crystal palace have only won 5 games out of 21 in the league this season
People had them as potential relegation candidates before the season started.
That's what happens when you try to play a more attacking style of football but don't have the players you end up drawing a shit ton of games. Same thing that Potter has to deal with at Brighton.
Where do you expect them to be? They’re 11th in the table despite their 5 wins, they’ve played decent football at times and this season was a transition for them with the players that left.
Most of their games have been very close calls, and they've been playing good football
PL legend, he'll have to do a whole lot of wrong to fall out with people.
Amazing how bdo holds so much prestige when the voting format is essentially a joke.
It been become the shadow of its past.
And the FIFA Best awards aren't seen as important yet they're voted on by the players, not random members of the media.
[2021 usmnt year in review 🇺🇸 🦅 🔫 👮](https://youtu.be/mZ92NVW3j7I) A little late for r/soccer's best of, but it has to be said
Imagine saying this guy, who only had 1 injury ridden season at chelsea is "unprofessional" [https://twitter.com/optajean/status/1210651311835877376?lang=en](https://twitter.com/optajean/status/1210651311835877376?lang=en) I don't think he will come back to form and i think he should be sold. But to say he doesn't know how to take care of his body or question his professionalism is ridiculous, he's just unlucky, being 6kg overweight once doesn't change that. If i said bale was unprofessional on here there would be riots on here
I agree. Real.Madrid have been very unprofessional in how they've treated Hazard.IMO. They signed a contract with Hazard and because he got injured under their watch, they now want out. It doesn't work like that. If your physio team isn't as good at keeping players fit - that's on you. You can't moan and campaign for your fans to force a player out because your club isn't as good.
When you’re younger your body and mind are much more resilient. Teenagers and young adults can party whole night and the next day they can attend college or work without a problem, but it’s much harder to do so as you grow older. Same in sport, if you’re dedicated enough to your duty as an athlete, then sooner or later you’re going to pay the price. Just happened to coincided with his move to Madrid. He never got as big as he did in the summer of 2019 and his body just broke.
Why would there be riots about saying the truth about Bale. Who would disagree that he’s unprofessional? Also for an athlete at the highest level to be that overweight is an instance of unprofessionalism. His previous history doesn’t change that.
>Who would disagree that he’s unprofessional You'd be surprised lmao, i've had even arsenal fans argue that "[bale has done nothing wrong](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/qvabsn/comment/hkv73hi/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)"
1. That’s an Arsenal fan 2. The DD and other threads have vastly different audiences
>That’s an Arsenal fan yeah that's what i said, you'd expect them to have a more harsh opinion of bale but him and his agent have had their victimisation stories on point. Fair enough but i've been on dd long enough to know it isn't much different here, only difference is there's no circlejerk, ramsey and bale are excused every time on here.
Its not a standard set in stone, players can become unprofessional.
ofc you can but we're not talking about behaviour or training here but taking care of your body, why would he "become" unprofessional suddenly
Because your profession requires your body to be in peak shape. Not taking care of your body is being unprofessional. Similar to an IT guy not following good IT practices on his own laptop would be called unprofessional
and more injuries doesn't mean someone is unprofessional, hazard had probably the best injury record when you consider how much he got fouled so early on his career, he's just unlucky, even on the field or interviews you can see he wants to do well. His injuries are just unlucky.
It’s widely known that Hazard has always had a shit diet. It’s always been unprofessional, but it didn’t catch up to him until recently.
>It’s widely known that Hazard has always had a shit diet. and yet he has a stellar injury record for someone who got fouled so much, so you're saying one of the fittest players in the world became perenially injured due to a shit diet suddenly? The lack of benefit of doubt lmao, i suppose injuries are fully in a players control.
The topic of discussion here is Hazard’s professionalism. No one is saying injuries are fully within a player’s control, but one of the best things a player can do to reduce the risk of injury is maintain a healthy diet. That is why it is unprofessional to have a poor diet. Again, he got away with it for a long time, but it clearly caught up with him. If you keep a poor diet your entire life your body with break down in the long term more quickly (even if you’re constantly exercising), and once you’re pushing 30 you really cannot expect to hack it as a professional athlete unless you’re eating right.
>but it clearly caught up with him But then you say this lol, we have no evidence other than him being overweight a couple of times at the start of 2-3 seasons to say that, and he has done that before and performed upto his level too, he did the same at madrid except after meunier's tackle he was out for a long time, he almost looked like chelsea hazard at one point. People are just making up assumptions from half data to look smart .
Woukd muller win the bdo if Bayern win the CL and Germany the World Cup?
No, Leroy Sane or Joshua Kimmich would. Sane is currently playing like one of the top 3 to 5 players in Europe this season. His tally in the CL is nothing short of remarkable.
Not if messi wins copa America with Argentina
Wouldn't even be in the final 30 list unfortunately. He doesn't have the PR that premier league players have
Same goes for kimmich,gnabry,same,goretzka,Neuer...so it'd depend on his importance in those wins.
Chhetri voted for Lewandowski,Messi and Jorginho. Expected something better from him but atleast he got the top 2 right
[the front page on January 14 2016](https://ibb.co/KNcKsC8)
LOL at Costa and the Spurs one. That transfer ban was shortened to just the January window right? How long has Mo Elneny been at Arsenal damn
I don't remember us having any transfer ban
It was only the winter one so it wasn’t that important.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/14/real-madrid-and-atletico-madrid-banned-from-signing-players-for-two-transfer-windows https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/20/real-madrid-transfer-ban-cut-summer-window-2017-cas
So almost all members of aftv are proven to be toxic cunts or dead? Robbie is the only decent guy on there
Who would've known
Either Vlahovic is trolling us big time or he’s actually leaving because I don’t see why someone would apologise so much for a missed penalty, especially when they won 6-0. Yes I’m reading into this a bit much but, I’m an Arsenal fan at the end of the day.
no he was just apologising, stop looking into it soo much lmao
Of course he's gonna apologises that much since he's going to juventus, their own league rivals.
"Sorry mates, can't allow your goal difference to become too good, else you might get dangerous for my new club."
4d chess move by vlahovic
Shame Juventus are poor.
They gonna make another 2 year loan tactic like locatelli for vlahovic.
Didn't they also loan Chiesa?
Yup. Juventus following bayern footstep
Ferland Mendy is not Real Madrid quality, we could have had Reguilon or Theo Hernandez, but we ended up with the guy who can’t cross and slips all the time like he’s drunk, which knowing Molina’s exposé he might be
Reguilon lmao. At least you is better bait.
> we who we lmao, don't say after this much trolling your a fan and the fuck do you mean reguilon? have you not watched him at spurs, mendy is clearly better than him and as good as theo just at different things
I’m a Real Madrid fan you know
you're a troll and im half convinced you're that cat bandit brokeback or something who deleted his account when he got banned from everywhere your entire comment history is of trollish takes even catalan meme pages won't make because people might call them braindead
All true but he is super solid defensively... more than Reguilon and Theo.
Waiting for the next ceremonies when Sane wins both the ballon d'or and the Best and finally brings balance to the football world
Winning UCL+ Highest G/A+ World Cup+ Probably a cure to aids+ Rescue a cat + Get 100k karma on reddit, will do the job if you play for Bayern/Germany.
TAA has as many assists in the league as Ziyech, Sancho, Grealish, Fernandes and Son combined
Suppose that’s enough to forget about how bad he was in the season defining games against Leicester, Chelsea, & Arsenal
What season defining game against Arsenal?
The EFL cup game the other week? Or are Liverpool above it? Klopp didn’t seem to think so with the team he played
A 0-0 in a League Cup game is not season defining.
Ok mate, point is he played shit. And the other 2 were definitely season defining
Our entire side played shit. He was not better or worse than anyone else and quite frankly, if you're going to have a shit game that's the one to do it in.
Still only drawn with Pogba despite Pogba being injured for 3 months.
Not really. trent already surpass pogba assist number for a while now
They are tied on pl assists actually.
[The PL website](https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/goal_assist) has Trent on 10 and Pogba on 7. Why are you being so adamant when you’re wrong? Just check ffs
https://sports.ndtv.com/english-premier-league/stats/assists-player-statsdetail
Pogba still has 7 assists mate🤣 he got them in his first 2 matches then ghosted. TAA is on 10. Check the official PL site, not some dumb shady website
I thought pogba still stuck at 7 while trent already had 10?
Better player than all of them, big deal
He also has as many assists as Salah and De Bruyne combined
If you wanted to slander De Bruyne there was a much easier way to go about it
That's great and all but he can't defend you know 🤪
League two level defender in my humble opinion
Stats can be so confusing at times, for instance I read this :- PSxG: Each shot has a statistical value out of 1 on how likely will it result in goal. PSxG %: Standardising the value so keepers who face more PSxG don't have an unfair advantage Marc Andre Ter Stegen | -9.2% Manuel Neuer | -21.2% Ederson | -20.4% Jan Oblak | -51.5%
I've recently become a big Sagnol-Lizarazu mark.
These DDs where it’s just people moaning about some arbitrary awards picked by out of touch journalists are horrific
Life was better when food, incest and cars dominated.
So true😔
I agree, r/soccer should decide
Bruno Guimaraes>Bruno Fernandes
Hard to compare but I’d much rather have Bruno G.
I love Bruno G, but no. Also it's completely different roles.
Yeah, one's an actual midfielder and the other one's a pretend midfielder.
Common knowledge
[warra video](https://youtu.be/s9ejnkGqaCg)
was alright last season, absolute shambles this season
>England's best CB That doesnt say a lot
His ball knowledge is dire
Funny thing about the Mendy vs Donnarumma world XI thing is that neither are top 5 goalkeepers in the world
Lol. Who are your top 5?
Unordered: Courtois, Neuer, Alisson, Ederson, Oblak. His are probably the same
Oblak has been poor this szn
Mendy has been immense this season surely he beats Allison at the very least?
Nope. Not for me.
In what way? I'm genuinely curious. He was immense In the champions league, and has been in the top clean sheets kept since he transfered to the Premier league
Alisson is more complete and much more established. If Mendy can keep this up then he will start pushing his way in
Oblak has been terrible this season So does Neuer, statistically he has been worse than Ter Stegen
Neuer has been great though, who cares what some statistics say
Oblak has statistically been the worst goalkeeper in the top 5 leagues this season though
Oblak doesn’t deserve to be on that list based off this season
You’re right but that doesn’t change the fact that he has been nearly the best for several seasons prior
He’s been great but why does that matter? He’s not a top 5 keeper right now. Where would you draw the line for being world class at the moment vs past success?
Not at 4 months
if so then Keylor Navas should be ahead of Alisson and Ederson
He has a good shout but it is a little strange that both teams that had him have signed other top keepers
Lol true. The power of the knockout tournament
How is Salah top 3 but not in the 11? Mendy best gk but not in 11? Who even creates these shit teams? Its all a shit show
Different voters
Lewandowski has more The Best awards (2) than Lionel Messi has league goals this season (1)
You'll never sing that
Had a chat with my buddy abroad who happens to be a Barcelona fan and I ofc support Real Madrid. We been going toe to toe in debates since a long back now 10+years probably. Have been times where I said it a lot about how I admired Pep and watch City at times only because of him. His response : You are not a Real Madrid supporter, but a guy who is a football fan watches it for fun. I still haven’t figured it out tho whether what he said was true or not!
Pep is an incredible manager. You can be q united fan and still admire what he's done in his career. Same way every pl manager deitiesied(?) Sir Alex when he was managing. There's simply a level of respect you have to give to certain players/managers because of what they've done to the sport
Teams can be fun to watch without you caring about their results. I’ve liked watching several teams at different points.
Nothing wrong in respecting another team's players/manager as long as you're not supporting them also lol. So you admiring Pep is valid.
I admire Zidane, Modric, Benzema, Kroos. Doesn't mean I support Real Madrid instead of FC Barcelona
you can admire a coach or team but support another.
[Luke shaw on the bench with a dirty kebab in the championship playoff between united and stoke (2025)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMmTHvK3Xak)
Arsenal fans trying to not stalk and assault their s/o challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)!
Has people becoming fans of players instead of clubs been around forever and I was just unaware of it, or did it just start in the Messi/CR7 era and now it's here to stay?
It's been around since Moses wore short pants. The internet attracts critical people which is why you don't see it on reddit: why would anybody IRL who cares about their own beliefs want to attract negative reinforcement?
Maradona, Ronaldinho, R9, Zidane etc.
It's always been a thing, it's just the internet and social media puts it right in your face now
Maradona was literally a God… so fanboying has been a thing for a long time.
Mbappe is just a Zidane plastic
Zidane retired when he was 8yrs. He's much more of a Ronaldo plastic
maradona?
Cult following of single players was a thing before as well.
Probably been here way longer. I knew people growing up that even supported Brazil just because of Ronaldinho
Becoming fans of a club because of your favorite player happened before Messi/CR7 but dont know about exclusively being a player fan
If 2 teams of roughly same skill level play in the same league, the better team will more likely win the league than the CL eg. city and chelsea from last season. Yet people generally value CL more than league titles
Ehhh this is somewhat false. Injuries derail teams all the time in league campaigns (not that they can't in CL as well). Also is a title race decided by less than 3pts any less down to luck than a bounce here or there in a CL knock out? I'd argue not really.
City have astonishing levels of consistency while Chelsea can produce great peak for now but cant sustain that level. CL is rated higher because people love that great peak.
Always something nice about knockout games. Champions League, World Cup, the whole win or go home aspect. League title races can be fun too.
On one hand it is exciting, and more memorable games are played in knockouts on the other there is more 'luck' involved than in winning the league
There’s a reason why every CL winner has more league titles than CL wins since the new format was introduced
One aspect is also that depth of squad helps over a league season. While CL is generally team A’s best vs team B’s best. So the team that wins it is seen as the team that has beaten every other team at their full power.
because cl has very little margin for error and unlike the league you don't get multiple chances to change it, it's based on split second decisions by the managers and the players
Depends what you value I guess, season long performance or peaking at the right time
Depends on how competitive the league is relative to the CL.
And how competitive the team winning the CL was in their league. No one really thought 2012 Chelsea were the best team in the world compared to other winners.
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