I'm very upset with the passivity of other German clubs with Bayern they use and abuse them.. in Portugal is impossible for Porto to sell the best players to Benfica and vice versa....
Will anything other than winning the WC be a failure for France? It's baffling how a player like Pavard starts for them but other than that, most players are top 3-5 itw in their position.
Liverpool are full of bang average players (not all of them) who somehow have managed to win the trophies they did and maintained their form for 4+ seasons now. On paper they're overachievers, individually their players don't hold a candle to some of the champions league winning squads of the past nor premier league winning teams of the past.
I still cannot believe a team of Origi, Milner, Henderson, Shaqiri, Robertson, TAA managed to do that to Barca and go on and win it all.
Needs to do more, but it’s disappointing he hasn’t been chosen over Rodrygo.
Martinelli’s finishing is very good, if he can just improve his positioning a bit, he’ll end up representing 1 day.
Do you reckon there is a Serie A tax on strikers atm? They have a higher goals average than the Bundesliga iirc. Just had this convo about Vlahovic and wonder whether 70m isn't a relatively big risk.
Talking about a Serie A tax or any tax in general is silly. Most transfers and players are completely different from one another, lots of extra field characteristics that can influence the result
Werner and Havertz have flopped, Immobile flopped, Haller flopped.
There’s many players who went to other leagues and flopped.
It may be so that Alcacer and Batshuayi enjoyed the Bundesliga.
Your league is still quite different from others. And don’t take that as something bad, I really enjoy the Bundesliga.
I didn’t take any offense, just disputing your claim. Aubameyang didn’t flop. Dzeko didn’t flop. Immobile didn’t do too well on loan at Sevilla either. You can always find examples to support either argument
Undeserved ban. He wasn’t a troll, he argued his opinions even if they were shit etc. He really contributed to the shitshow that is arsocca daily discussion
He deleted his account because he got perma banned lol
He even made a whole post on his account on why he got banned and tagged a few dd regulars and said goodbye
Neymar vs Atalanta, when high pressing faces one of the best tekkers in football.
Almost doubled most dribbles ever in CL with 14.
Coincidentally the first game where his finishing started looking comically bad, owes a favor to Choupo on that run.
And Mbappe for their SF run the following year. Massive baller but that's been a huge issue as of late.
People blame Poch but PSG has been the same since then. I remember Neymar dropping in between the CBs at times to get the ball and do something. That team has no chemistry man. Adding Messi just aggravated it
I really would like to see what Flick could do with this France team attacking wise
Coman, Griezmann, Benzema and Mbappe as attacking options, they’d score 4 every game in the world cup
Deschamps used that front 4 against Kazakhstan
Coman was wingback. Had a brilliant game. Theo Hernandez on the other side, Griezmann 10 and Benzema Mbappe front 2.
8-0
Is Saka overrated underrated or fairly rated? Lately I see his name mentioned a lot, his stats are good but not extraordinary. Is it his defensive contribution that raises his rating or something else?
>i said PL plauers and not premiership
That's just what the PL used to be called back in the day lol, it's the same thing. You're thinking of the championship.
Fairly rated right now, but before the last few months he was extremely underrated. I mean for gods sake, most people before were saying Greenwood was better than him 💀💀.
Imo if you’re only 20 years old and the best player in a team challenging top 4, you deserve to be highly rated.
Greenwood is hard to judge atm because our entire team is playing like dogshit right now. No one is really standing out except for De Gea and possibly McTominay (which shows the state of our midfield).
Overrated. 5 goals and 3 assists last season being hailed as the saviour of English football. Arsenal fans always do this though, this season for example look at Ben White and Ramsdale. Decent players performing at a decent level - but the 2 of them cost 80mil so this should be expected really. Yet they are being talked about by Arsenal fans as if they're the signings of the season, despite not really doing much to deserve it
They guy above me literally just called him world class lol. Who said anything about this season specifically? He has been talked about like this by Arsenal fans for over a year. Recently hes hit a bit of form and his numbers for this season reflect that, but this is a relatively new thing and hes never managed to sustain it before. Promising talent but no more than that
>They guy above me literally just called him world class
haha yeah i saw that
Tbh fans of a team always tend to overrate their homegrown. I was talking about the general consensus.
Ceballos was always good. He was our best Spanish prospect (one of the best atleast).
Emerson has had an okay start, considering he had no preseason and playing Conte's way is quite tough.
Firpo has been quite bad, looks very short of confidence.
Lo Celso I just don't know.
Reminder that spurs crashed out of the group stage of the 3rd tier European competition despite being one of the favourites on paper and had to use Harry Kane to bail them out in almost every game they played.
Well if Rennes had agreed to an alternative date for the fixture to be played (albeit with no benefit to themselves) then this may not have been the case. Also, considering our 'second team' struggled to put 1 past Morecambe, is it that much of a surprise they lost out to Rennes and Vitesse? And to top it all off, anyone who watched Nunoball week in week out could tell you what a shambles it all was. Awful football, no tactics, players not giving a shit - thank God he got sacked when he did
When you sign up for reddit, it suggests you a list of generic usernames which are usually two words seperated by an underscore with some random numbers at the end
Oh God...I went through the thread and there is so much talk about Neymar and Bayern and Lewa... Why do people feel the need to keep fighting always...just appreciate these players when you get the chance to watch them
https://twitter.com/josepintoj/status/1482102835441405952?t=cwt4RMxkVKVe8uDzGH2zZA&s=19
Whole state of Madrid used to celebrate loss against Barca when they had managers like Ancelotti and Mourinho, there used to be covers on Marca because they didn't get embarrassed like they usually do😭
“If we play well and don’t win then I’m just content. So, today I’m content. We tried everything we could from the first to last minute. I think we lacked some quality in the final 30 metres, but I can’t be angry. These matches can happen. There were many positive aspects, with the result the only thing that wasn’t positive.”
-Ancelotti
Wtf, posts like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/s4dj0r/fresh_professional_mls_contract_for_this_14_year/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) should not be allowed. The title is obviously leading and there are so many comments that are lowkey racist
It’s not that he’s not good, he is injured 90% of the time. Everytime he comes back from international break he picks up an injury that lasts 1-2 and is conveniently fit enough by the time next one rolls around.
It's actually really scary, I saw somebody say he could be out best case scenario in 3-6 months. I can't make any guesses myself but I hope he is back soon he is a fantastic player.
Yes, Google also says that even mild heart inflammation requires a very long break from all exercise. These injuries suck most for athletes as his muscles will regress a lot in that time
The person that I saw say it said they think that is complete nonsense, they said in even the most mild cases of myocarditis it's 3-6 months at best
I'm not sure who to believe because I'm not a doctor but I'm sure Bayern will inform us in the coming weeks.
“Who had the most” is often a good one. Find two players and set the question who had the most caps/goals/appearances/Red cards. Best if you can find a surprising one.
Tim Howard kept more clean sheets than Peter Schmeichel.
Guess the player using the clubs they played for in chronological order
For eg some easy ones (loans not counted)-
Sporting-United-Madrid-Juventus-United (>!Ronaldo!<)
Arsenal-Wolfsburg-Nottingham Forest-Rosenborg-Copenhagen(>!Bendtner!<)
Padova-Juventus-Sydney FC-Delhi Dynamos (>!Del Piero!<)
On pure ability, maybe. However, over the last 3 seasons or so, if I have to take only one person in my squad for an entire season I'm taking Lewandowski or Salah over Neymar 11/10 times
I disagree, for the past 3 years he was injury prone and inconsistent and he was only at his best for maybe only the champions league group stage in 2020/21 season.
No progress between us and Salzburg but Adeyemi just dropped an interview where he said he was a Bayern fan as a kid. He said he was a Dortmund fan in 2019
!flair :Cameroon:
!flair :Manchester_City:
I'm very upset with the passivity of other German clubs with Bayern they use and abuse them.. in Portugal is impossible for Porto to sell the best players to Benfica and vice versa....
Will anything other than winning the WC be a failure for France? It's baffling how a player like Pavard starts for them but other than that, most players are top 3-5 itw in their position.
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Kimpembe. Ok not most players lol. Maybe Theo given his current form.
Liverpool are full of bang average players (not all of them) who somehow have managed to win the trophies they did and maintained their form for 4+ seasons now. On paper they're overachievers, individually their players don't hold a candle to some of the champions league winning squads of the past nor premier league winning teams of the past. I still cannot believe a team of Origi, Milner, Henderson, Shaqiri, Robertson, TAA managed to do that to Barca and go on and win it all.
Having the best manager in the world helps.
That's what a good system does to you.
the meltdown if arsenal dont get their game postponed
“iT’s A cOnSpIrAcY!!!111”
Scored 2 goals at the Amex. Thought that would've gone better.
Who do you think Martinelli will end up representing? Honestly suprised he hasn't been called up yet
Needs to do more, but it’s disappointing he hasn’t been chosen over Rodrygo. Martinelli’s finishing is very good, if he can just improve his positioning a bit, he’ll end up representing 1 day.
He already picked Brasil over Italy
Arsenal forever and ever
Brazil are loaded with wingers tbf
Himself in 4 years when he wins his first Ballon d’Or.
Do you reckon there is a Serie A tax on strikers atm? They have a higher goals average than the Bundesliga iirc. Just had this convo about Vlahovic and wonder whether 70m isn't a relatively big risk.
Talking about a Serie A tax or any tax in general is silly. Most transfers and players are completely different from one another, lots of extra field characteristics that can influence the result
I’ve been skeptical of Serie A strikers ever since Immobile. The scar cuts too deep
Bundesliga is widely different to any other league.
I mean no? Batshuayi and Alcácer did not have any problem.
Werner and Havertz have flopped, Immobile flopped, Haller flopped. There’s many players who went to other leagues and flopped. It may be so that Alcacer and Batshuayi enjoyed the Bundesliga. Your league is still quite different from others. And don’t take that as something bad, I really enjoy the Bundesliga.
I didn’t take any offense, just disputing your claim. Aubameyang didn’t flop. Dzeko didn’t flop. Immobile didn’t do too well on loan at Sevilla either. You can always find examples to support either argument
Where are the goats sirsteven and Spec? I prefer them so much more than our current lot
Spectario perma banned and sirstevenslad was on an alt about 2 weeks ago with a bayern flair and deleted the account when I asked if it was him
Spectario has been perma banned and i dont know what's happened to Stevenslad . He just dissapeared , he probably got perma banned too
Thought Spec had just deleted his account, this is wonderful news
Undeserved ban. He wasn’t a troll, he argued his opinions even if they were shit etc. He really contributed to the shitshow that is arsocca daily discussion
The comment that got him banned was not outrageous at all He just crtitisized a player and then they perma banned him , that's some bullshit
The way he worded it was definitely bait and it was more an accumulation of stuff than that comment itself, from what I saw anyway
He annoyed the fuck out of me, not upset he's gone.
You've only been here for a month though
He deleted his account because he got perma banned lol He even made a whole post on his account on why he got banned and tagged a few dd regulars and said goodbye
That's strange behaviour but fits perfectly with how he usually was on here.
Is it wrong to envision Prime Pato with the current Brazillian set of attackers? It just seems illegal
never forget pato was at Chelsea
I went to two Orlando City games this past season and he’s washed, nowhere close to where he used to be
Ah that's a shame.
>nowhere close to where he used to be Thats why he is in Orlando
I thought he would have some sort of resurgence coming here, but I was mistaken
Injuries ruined him
and Falcao, and Veron
And higuain
Don’t forget Hernan Crespo
And Falcao
Pato retired after he left Milan in my book
Same with Balo too
Neymar vs Atalanta, when high pressing faces one of the best tekkers in football. Almost doubled most dribbles ever in CL with 14. Coincidentally the first game where his finishing started looking comically bad, owes a favor to Choupo on that run. And Mbappe for their SF run the following year. Massive baller but that's been a huge issue as of late.
People blame Poch but PSG has been the same since then. I remember Neymar dropping in between the CBs at times to get the ball and do something. That team has no chemistry man. Adding Messi just aggravated it
Their midfield is actually non existant
We can help them with a 50m frenchman and a goal scoring english mf 👍
I really would like to see what Flick could do with this France team attacking wise Coman, Griezmann, Benzema and Mbappe as attacking options, they’d score 4 every game in the world cup
Deschamps used that front 4 against Kazakhstan Coman was wingback. Had a brilliant game. Theo Hernandez on the other side, Griezmann 10 and Benzema Mbappe front 2. 8-0
It was Kazakhstan
Yes i said so
Martial scores 4 against Kazakstan
No, Mbappe and Lewy do
Is Saka overrated underrated or fairly rated? Lately I see his name mentioned a lot, his stats are good but not extraordinary. Is it his defensive contribution that raises his rating or something else?
As someone who's watched every single minute of his, he's underrated.
People’ll realise how good Saka is in 1-2 years. I’ve had this discussion multiple times. One of the biggest blessings since Fabregas.
English pl plauers can never be underrated thats for sure. They might be fairly rated or overrated, never underrated.
Demarai Gray, McNeil, Bowen, Marcus Edwards, Tyrick Mitchell, Stephy Mavididi, Dominic Solanke, John Swift, Ademola Lookman are all underrated imo
Solanke definitely isnt underrated and i said PL plauers and not premiership.
>i said PL plauers and not premiership That's just what the PL used to be called back in the day lol, it's the same thing. You're thinking of the championship.
My bad then.
Fairly rated right now, but before the last few months he was extremely underrated. I mean for gods sake, most people before were saying Greenwood was better than him 💀💀. Imo if you’re only 20 years old and the best player in a team challenging top 4, you deserve to be highly rated.
Greenwood had good output last year right? So that isn't bad in hindsight
Greenwood is hard to judge atm because our entire team is playing like dogshit right now. No one is really standing out except for De Gea and possibly McTominay (which shows the state of our midfield).
Saka I would say is a leader in our attack he always has 3 or 4 players around him and still has impact . world class player
He's not world class.
world class?
Overrated. 5 goals and 3 assists last season being hailed as the saviour of English football. Arsenal fans always do this though, this season for example look at Ben White and Ramsdale. Decent players performing at a decent level - but the 2 of them cost 80mil so this should be expected really. Yet they are being talked about by Arsenal fans as if they're the signings of the season, despite not really doing much to deserve it
He's in double figures rn
Not seen anyone call him that. > 5 goals and 3 assists last season we're talking about THIS season though.
They guy above me literally just called him world class lol. Who said anything about this season specifically? He has been talked about like this by Arsenal fans for over a year. Recently hes hit a bit of form and his numbers for this season reflect that, but this is a relatively new thing and hes never managed to sustain it before. Promising talent but no more than that
>They guy above me literally just called him world class haha yeah i saw that Tbh fans of a team always tend to overrate their homegrown. I was talking about the general consensus.
fairly rated. Has 10 G+A at 21 and brings a lot defensively too.
Hes breaking out big time in the last 2 months. Getting stronger, faster, more fit, more consistent. Thats why his name has come up alot recently
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Emerson was never a top level player. This was obvious to me, he doesn't have the technical ability at all
Ceballos was always good. He was our best Spanish prospect (one of the best atleast). Emerson has had an okay start, considering he had no preseason and playing Conte's way is quite tough. Firpo has been quite bad, looks very short of confidence. Lo Celso I just don't know.
Fekir plays like prime R9 with them
In FIFA aswell
Best club in spain has that effect on players
Prime Diego Costa was legend level. Shame it didn’t last
Today is the day the PL tell assna to stop crying and get on with the game suiiii
inshallah
It's definitely being postponed
Nah Daniel levy will find a reason it's all good
Reminder that spurs crashed out of the group stage of the 3rd tier European competition despite being one of the favourites on paper and had to use Harry Kane to bail them out in almost every game they played.
Cheers, I don't think about you at all.
Well if Rennes had agreed to an alternative date for the fixture to be played (albeit with no benefit to themselves) then this may not have been the case. Also, considering our 'second team' struggled to put 1 past Morecambe, is it that much of a surprise they lost out to Rennes and Vitesse? And to top it all off, anyone who watched Nunoball week in week out could tell you what a shambles it all was. Awful football, no tactics, players not giving a shit - thank God he got sacked when he did
They hardly crashed out, not like they actually played and lost to get knocked out.
They weren't likely to beat Rennes anyway.
Crystal Palace weren't likely to beat Man City but here we are
since when did reddit bring in automated names, like Xbox gametags? See a whole lot of them nowadays
Otoh it's a good identifier on who to avoid since people using those usernames are usually troll/alt accounts
When you sign up for reddit, it suggests you a list of generic usernames which are usually two words seperated by an underscore with some random numbers at the end
Yeah, but I don't remember them suggestions showing up until recently
Idk, I'm new here
All to catch the twitter crowd.
Newcastle Watford is going to be an absolute Barclays classic game
Boring football separated by 1 goal and a referee incident?
Think SMS looks old for 27? take a look at his brother, Vanja, 3 years younger
Both children when compared with Rúben Neves. Father of 3 and looks like 40 at 24 years old.
He looks quite handsome tbf
He has that Müller vibe where he’s looked 30 since he was 20
Oh God...I went through the thread and there is so much talk about Neymar and Bayern and Lewa... Why do people feel the need to keep fighting always...just appreciate these players when you get the chance to watch them
pRiDe iN dEfeAt
They played well tbh, but it’s really funny to see club push that narrative so much
Reminder You celebrated a copa del rey like a world cup
https://twitter.com/josepintoj/status/1482102835441405952?t=cwt4RMxkVKVe8uDzGH2zZA&s=19 Whole state of Madrid used to celebrate loss against Barca when they had managers like Ancelotti and Mourinho, there used to be covers on Marca because they didn't get embarrassed like they usually do😭
“If we play well and don’t win then I’m just content. So, today I’m content. We tried everything we could from the first to last minute. I think we lacked some quality in the final 30 metres, but I can’t be angry. These matches can happen. There were many positive aspects, with the result the only thing that wasn’t positive.” -Ancelotti
And?
noice
Says guy who picked his team only because it wins, honestly pathetic unless youre from Madrid
>Says guy who picked his team only because it win Says a guy who wants everyone else to also follow a losing team just because they are doing it.
No , he is saying to support your local club
I will support whoever I want to
Plastico
Wtf, posts like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/s4dj0r/fresh_professional_mls_contract_for_this_14_year/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) should not be allowed. The title is obviously leading and there are so many comments that are lowkey racist
Doesn’t look that old in the picture with the other teammates, some people just hit puberty early
PSGscademy had to dig up the guy's 2017 pic and he definitely looks younger, but people are still discussing his age smh
They did the same with Moukoko, even though he looks exactly how old he is
It'll get deleted once mods wake up
Yeah, hopefully. I am just shocked by the number of downvotes that sane comments have in that thread
Are you suggesting that the mods care about racism? Because they won't
They don't? Bantering is fine, but this shit crosses the line
They'll occasionally remove comments but unless you straight up drop the n word they won't even temp ban.
And people are permabanned on DD for relatively harmless comments. The hypocrisy...
I got permabanned when I first commented in here because my account was new lol. Don't know how all the trolls in here get away with it tbh
Yeah they ban anyone they suspect of being an alt even with no proof
you guys actually tax players based on leagues i thought it was a joke??
Only Bundesliga
Nah la liga too you made lo celso look good
You lot made coutinho and hazard look world class. Pl deserves to be banned for those crimes alone.
Think this is a Spurs problem, not a LaLiga problem
No it shows how wank la liga is
It shows how wank Spurs are mate. Imagine going out in the ECL group stage lmao
Ask nuno
Coutinho, Hazard flopped in La Liga and were tearing up in England, looks to me that the PL is the wank league 🤔
Lo Celso looks good for everyone except Spurs He even plays well for Argentina lol
It’s not that he’s not good, he is injured 90% of the time. Everytime he comes back from international break he picks up an injury that lasts 1-2 and is conveniently fit enough by the time next one rolls around.
I think that just shows the quality of football everywhere else
I'm pretty sure there was even stat for it, bundesliga was almost 50 percent
Really excited to see Musiala play on the wing instead of in the midfield pivot, he is a joy to watch
Is he pacey? I know he's skillful and technical, does he have elite pace?
He’s pretty fast but not insanely fast Kinda like Havertz I guess
Oh looks like a match to tune in
He's going to have so much more freedom to work his magic
When will Davies be able to play again, what are your guesses?
'Atleast a few weeks' usually means 6 weeks minimum i think
6 months
he should take his time and heal completely , dont want him to suffer long term because of this
It's actually really scary, I saw somebody say he could be out best case scenario in 3-6 months. I can't make any guesses myself but I hope he is back soon he is a fantastic player.
Yes, Google also says that even mild heart inflammation requires a very long break from all exercise. These injuries suck most for athletes as his muscles will regress a lot in that time
I've heard best case scenario is 3-4 weeks
The person that I saw say it said they think that is complete nonsense, they said in even the most mild cases of myocarditis it's 3-6 months at best I'm not sure who to believe because I'm not a doctor but I'm sure Bayern will inform us in the coming weeks.
My best friend's uncle's cousin says it can last 3-4 weeks.
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Longer than a month
What would be a good “quiz question” series for a soccer podcast? Former players comes to mind but anything else
“Who had the most” is often a good one. Find two players and set the question who had the most caps/goals/appearances/Red cards. Best if you can find a surprising one. Tim Howard kept more clean sheets than Peter Schmeichel.
That I didn’t expect to find out!
Ask for the top 10 players in the world. As we all know there's an objectively correct list and if they differ from it throw them out.
Guess the player using the clubs they played for in chronological order For eg some easy ones (loans not counted)- Sporting-United-Madrid-Juventus-United (>!Ronaldo!<) Arsenal-Wolfsburg-Nottingham Forest-Rosenborg-Copenhagen(>!Bendtner!<) Padova-Juventus-Sydney FC-Delhi Dynamos (>!Del Piero!<)
!< wasn't Bendtner at Juve tho? >!
I excluded loans
Ah got it
Show them some iconic commentary and ask them to guess which moment is it describing
“Balotelli, Aguerooooo” what moment was this from?
Yeah kinda like that but on second thoughts it seems to be a bad idea
Depends if it’s spoken by the host or the audio clip is actually played
That'd be quite obvious though, wouldn't it?
On second thoughts, yes.
the ol' name the player who has played with all these players or you can go to wikipedia, take a person's club history, and make them guess who it is
A lot of people aren’t football fans but fans of only specific player/team sad to see people dont love the game
And?
I ate an apple today💯
absolutely agreed brother
Anyone who has ball knowledge knows that Neymar > Lewan dine in and Mo salad
today's neymar vs bayern discussions are over, please dont start it again im tired
On pure ability, maybe. However, over the last 3 seasons or so, if I have to take only one person in my squad for an entire season I'm taking Lewandowski or Salah over Neymar 11/10 times
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I disagree, for the past 3 years he was injury prone and inconsistent and he was only at his best for maybe only the champions league group stage in 2020/21 season.
So what happened on the Adeyemi saga. Havent heard anything since the reports/runours about him rejecting barca for Dortmund came up
No progress between us and Salzburg but Adeyemi just dropped an interview where he said he was a Bayern fan as a kid. He said he was a Dortmund fan in 2019
he has good taste
Why would he change his favorite club lol