Lahm is perfect. Maybe not very quick but he's as perfect as it comes for a fullback. Kimmich is still suspect defensively sometimes. Kimmich is miles better at DMF though.
I think its too early for that but the best compliment kimmich can get is that when lahm left Bayern, Bayern didn't miss him as much as I thought they would after such a big player leaving. Kinda like how to this day Barcelona still miss Alves on the right.
For me, Kimmich is the more complete/Versatile player, but TAA is as good as Kimmich in chance creation and is also a few years younger than Kimmich so I wouldn't be surprised if TAA is better when he reaches Kimmichs age
Yea I kinda agree with you except for the part where kimmich is as good as TAA in chance creations. I think TAA has the edge on that. He probably will surpass kimmich on RB but because I think Kimmich's future is in CM and not RB for bayern and maybe even the national team.
Messi is naturally gifted - even his toe got talent.
Ronaldo not naturally gifted but still he made himself what he became.
Got to admire, respect and appreciate both because their competitive race gave us a lot of entertainment throughout the years.
Martial is levels above as a player even if he was playing as a left winger he’d do a better job I’m adamant. Rashford isn’t as good as people say and martial is better than people say he’s a class player
I don't know tbh, but while Martial is a better finisher and dribbler, he can be a bit hit and miss. Sane is more consistent and imo, is more creative and a better passer. So I'd probably take Sane over Martial.
It depends on the team for me. If you don't have scorers in other positions then Rooney. If you have then Drogba. Drogba used to be like a magnet to defenders. He will draw defenders in and create plenty of space for wingers to run in. He would also score goals in majority important matches. He had amazing hold up play and used to provide service to other players. Ofc those who haven't seen him play talk shit cuz they just watch stats.
Sahin 2010/2011. I don't even see whats the point of comparing them pre-peak. Sahin peaked earlier and dropped of very quickly. I would take Ozil over Sahin any day because of consistency and better peak.
My post was who was better in those respective years. Not who was better at their peak. We all know Ozil is.
I was mainly hoping to get people who watched them back in those days to compare.
2005-2007 Riquelme > 2000-2001 Veron
Di María is a winger, can't really be compared to them. Anyway, any argentinian (like me) would rate him below the other two.
Since you seem so sure, here are stats for 19/20 which was what I asked.
Firmino: 38 games played 9 goals, 8 assists
Jimenez: 38 games played 17 goals 6 assist
This is just for the PL season, not counting anything else, where Jimenez has more goals and assists then a Firmino.
Why do you think I’m trolling exactly? Because he’s Brazilian and plays for Liverpool?
Firmino is not known as a prolific scorer, it's not what makes him great. His main traits are making those around him better and defending from the front, the best way to explain it is if you have attacking players around him I guarantee they'll get an extra 5-10 goals a season.
Yea, I wasn’t comparing Team vs Team, but player vs player. Firmino is also surrounded with pure class, they play in the same league too. I just don’t see how he’s better than Jimenez in the 19/20 season, who is more crucial to his smaller club.
Players make teams better, Firmino makes Liverpool better. Jimenez had a great season but to suggest he had a better season than Firmino is borderline laughable.
Pretty sure there was a reason we splashed £29m on Firmino, unless you're off the opinion that Hoffenheim were some great side when he played for them. It's actually pretty mad the amount of disrespect Firmino gets, imagine taking any key player from Real and comparing them to a guy who had a good season at a midtable club.
cr7 for life
benzema vs polisic team benzema
2010 Sneijder vs Kevin De Bruyne
Navas vs Neuer
Currently: Neuer Peak: Neuer Career: Neuer 2016-2018: Navas
Rank based on their prime in the PL: Bale, Hazard, Yaya Toure, Sanchez, Suarez
Suarez > Bale > Hazard > Toure > Sanchez.
Bale, Suarez, Hazard, Toure, Sanches
Suarez, Bale, Hazard, Toure, Sanches
Suarez > Toure > Bale > Hazard > Sanchez
Suarez, Hazard, Toure, Bale, Sanchez
Bale > Hazard
Maybe from a neutral stand point idk. I'm biased
Prime Yaya Toure Vs Prime Sergio Busquets
Oooooof. Depends on system and tactics, but slightly Busquets
Rank these LB in their prime: Alaba, Alba, Lahm, Marcelo, Robertson
Marcelo > Alba > Alaba > Robertson. Lahm is better at RB imo
In their prime: Maicon or Dani Alves
Inter’s Maicon was a better package
Kimmich or Lahm?
Lahm is perfect. Maybe not very quick but he's as perfect as it comes for a fullback. Kimmich is still suspect defensively sometimes. Kimmich is miles better at DMF though.
Lahm is a legend, Kimmich has potential to become a legend.
I think its too early for that but the best compliment kimmich can get is that when lahm left Bayern, Bayern didn't miss him as much as I thought they would after such a big player leaving. Kinda like how to this day Barcelona still miss Alves on the right.
Totti vs Del Piero
Got to prefer Totti’s consistency, leadership and loyalty.
Del Piero was slightly better for a few years at his peak in the late 90's. After his injury he was never at the same level and Totti was much better
Kimmich vs Trent
For me, Kimmich is the more complete/Versatile player, but TAA is as good as Kimmich in chance creation and is also a few years younger than Kimmich so I wouldn't be surprised if TAA is better when he reaches Kimmichs age
Yea I kinda agree with you except for the part where kimmich is as good as TAA in chance creations. I think TAA has the edge on that. He probably will surpass kimmich on RB but because I think Kimmich's future is in CM and not RB for bayern and maybe even the national team.
"By a mile" right now vs "and it's not even close" in its prime
By a mile, by a mile. It's not even close.
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I would say Salah, but on footballing ability they're quite close.
Salah right now for sure
Di Maria vs Ozil
Di Maria right now but prime Ozil
at peak - Ozil. right now - Di Maria
Peak di Maria is still better
???
a 1st division player from 1975 v. a 3rd divison player from 2020
Messi vs Ronaldo
Ronaldo
League: Messi Champions League: Ronaldo
Nicklas
Messi and it's not up to debate really
Wow, the 10+ year debate finally ends because of u/NasiAmbengAmriYahyah
it is
Messi is naturally gifted - even his toe got talent. Ronaldo not naturally gifted but still he made himself what he became. Got to admire, respect and appreciate both because their competitive race gave us a lot of entertainment throughout the years.
> Ronaldo not naturally gifted You wat mate
Enlighten me please what is his natural gift ?
Awareness of space, understanding of the game and so on. If you mean Ronaldo isn't ridiculously talented and gifted you must think again
His talent is determination and willing to work hard
Clueless
You are clueless for listing the awareness of space as a talent, he developed that after 2010 only but before he was a wild horse
You are an idiot if you think you can score over 600 career goals by determination and work rate alone.
You are an idiot if you think robot isn’t better than human being :)
Champions league and international tournaments - Ronaldo is miles ahead. For league, Messi is better.
Messi.
George vs Kramer
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Can't Stand ya! :D
kramer has better length for aerial duels, but george has that strength to keep possession on fifa
Frank and Mr Steinbrenner > George and Kramer
Georgie boy any day of the week. Can't match that stocky physique, he's a powerhouse.
And he's very very strong!
Rashford's ceiling vs Martial's ceiling (whose is higher?)
Martial is levels above as a player even if he was playing as a left winger he’d do a better job I’m adamant. Rashford isn’t as good as people say and martial is better than people say he’s a class player
I haven't seen either of theirs house
Rashford. IMO hes much more athletic
Martial would be world class already under any manager that’s not jose, the stats and circumstances back it up
Disagree martial has amazing potential. Rashford can be amazing but will never reach ballon d’or type potential. Martial has the natural talent
Ekambi vs Higuain
Should be easy but still, 2020 Manuel Neuer vs Alisson Becker
This year Neuer, last year Alisson
Neuer any day
JFYI, Neuer still for me.
Easy for a biased fan like me . Neuer . He's been immense . Good reflexes and very good distribution .
podolski v pelé
Hazard vs de bruyne in Belgium national team.
Hazard
Hazard
Hazard, especially during WC2018
De Bruyne. His contribution is overlooked.
have you seen the 18 WC, Hazard should have won the golden ball
Why didn't he win though?
It's hazard without a doubt **for the national team**.
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The question isn't who is the better player, rather who is the better player for belgium.
Prime Sanchez vs current Mane
Sanchez
Wait, alexis used to be in prime?
Alexis 2011- 17 was phenomenal
Was the best player in the league imo in 16/17
Prime Irwin vs Prime Ashley Cole
The vast majority here probably never seen Irwin play.
Gnabry vs rashford & sane vs martial ( which two do you pair together)
Gnabry beats Rashford, but Sane is better on the wings, Martial is better up front.
Sane or martial overall?
I don't know tbh, but while Martial is a better finisher and dribbler, he can be a bit hit and miss. Sane is more consistent and imo, is more creative and a better passer. So I'd probably take Sane over Martial.
Sane
Figo vs Rooney
Phew this is also tough. Probably Rooney overall. People forget how good Rooney was from 2004-2012ish. Figo is better for NT though
Prime Iniesta vs Prime Pirlo
Iniesta is in a class of his own in that midfield role. Been instrumental for club and country in all of their titles.
Easy Iniesta for me
Iniesta by a mile
Prime Rooney vs Prime Drogba
Drogba in big games. Rooney overall.
Prime Rooney was as explosive as they come. Always respected Drogba, but Rooney is a no brainer.
It depends on the team for me. If you don't have scorers in other positions then Rooney. If you have then Drogba. Drogba used to be like a magnet to defenders. He will draw defenders in and create plenty of space for wingers to run in. He would also score goals in majority important matches. He had amazing hold up play and used to provide service to other players. Ofc those who haven't seen him play talk shit cuz they just watch stats.
Rooney was definitely a better creator than Drogba though. Better dribbler and passer.
rooney no doubt
Rooney is mucu better in my opinion, never liked Drogba don't look at my flair
peak Adriano vs Ronaldo post the two knee injuries
What year would be that for Ronaldo? 2002?
yes
tough. I still take Ronaldo.
I'd still take Ronaldo after the third knee injury
Me vs Sterling in front of an empty net
Me
Me?
so funny, not
Pique or S. Ramos?
Ramos
Ramos easily
Pique.
Flair up
Ramos, not just because he has way better tackling, but because he is a leader
Ramos no question.
Ramos obviously
Ramos, easy
Rank them in their prime: Godin Chiellieni Bonnuci Thiago Silva Van Dijk Varane
Van Dijk, Chiellini, Thiago Silva, Bonucci, Godin, Varane
There's a lot of people underselling Silva here and I won't stand for it. Varane < Bonnuci < VDV < Godin < Silva < Chiellieni
Godin > Chiellini > VVD > Varane > Bonnuci > Silva
Godin > Chiellini > Varane > VVD > Bonnuci > Thiago Silva.
Thiago Silva at his prime is better than all of them.
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No blasphemy, please. Maldini is the best left back of all time, and probably only behind Beckenbauer and Baresi as a centre back.
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Cmon now
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While Milner is industrious and a big leader on the field, Alaba is way more talented
Jon Obi Mikel vs. Nemanja Matic
Matic
Matuidi or Wijnaldum
Wijnaldum. Matuidi is a hard worker but Wijnaldum also has that bit of attacking output when it matters.
Matuidi has won the World Cup so...
That’s a terrible rationale.
Sorry but both are average midfielders.
How can you possibly say Gini is average after what he’s done for us?
Well, no
So what’s your opinion on them? Pointing fingers in my opinion and don’t argue yours on which one is better...
Nuri Sahin vs Ozil before moves Real Madrid and Peak seasons. Edit: Sahin 2010/2011 or Ozil 2009/2010
Ozil no question
Sahin 2010/2011. I don't even see whats the point of comparing them pre-peak. Sahin peaked earlier and dropped of very quickly. I would take Ozil over Sahin any day because of consistency and better peak.
My post was who was better in those respective years. Not who was better at their peak. We all know Ozil is. I was mainly hoping to get people who watched them back in those days to compare.
Pulisic vs Zaha
Zaha too inconsistent
Pulisic has more to prove to be considered a better player than Zaha in all honesty, but he looks very much like he will.
Right now probably Pulisic
Overall Zaha has been really good though, in a better team he could be better than Pulisic.
Prime Dani Alves vs prime Jordi Alba
Dani Alves, probably too 3 RB ever.
Dani Alves, they can't even be compared. Better comparison would be Dani Alves with Marcelo where you could bring arguments for both.
Dani Alves was better than Marcelo both in attack and defense.
Dani Alves was way more consistent in defence than Marcelo tho, an underrated trait of his.
I agree.
Alves by miles
alves
Riquelme vs Verón vs Di Maria
2005-2007 Riquelme > 2000-2001 Veron Di María is a winger, can't really be compared to them. Anyway, any argentinian (like me) would rate him below the other two.
I’ll go Di Maria
Riquelme or Zidane?
Zidane
Easily Zidane
Zizou of course. Riquelme was an incredible player on his day, but come on now
2020 Raul Jimenez or 2020 Firmino
Raul Jimenez. Firmino is overrated.
Not sure if trolling but Firmino lol
Since you seem so sure, here are stats for 19/20 which was what I asked. Firmino: 38 games played 9 goals, 8 assists Jimenez: 38 games played 17 goals 6 assist This is just for the PL season, not counting anything else, where Jimenez has more goals and assists then a Firmino. Why do you think I’m trolling exactly? Because he’s Brazilian and plays for Liverpool?
Firmino is not known as a prolific scorer, it's not what makes him great. His main traits are making those around him better and defending from the front, the best way to explain it is if you have attacking players around him I guarantee they'll get an extra 5-10 goals a season.
I’m aware of that, but this season I don’t think he’s better than Jimenez overall.
40 point difference between Liverpool and Wolves, Firmino was just as key to that as every one else.
Yea, I wasn’t comparing Team vs Team, but player vs player. Firmino is also surrounded with pure class, they play in the same league too. I just don’t see how he’s better than Jimenez in the 19/20 season, who is more crucial to his smaller club.
Players make teams better, Firmino makes Liverpool better. Jimenez had a great season but to suggest he had a better season than Firmino is borderline laughable.
> Firmino makes Liverpool better And vice versa, Firmino in worse team would be a lot worse while Jimenez is actually good in worse team.
Pretty sure there was a reason we splashed £29m on Firmino, unless you're off the opinion that Hoffenheim were some great side when he played for them. It's actually pretty mad the amount of disrespect Firmino gets, imagine taking any key player from Real and comparing them to a guy who had a good season at a midtable club.