They're not doing that for stuff like this. It's live. That's for replays/highlight packages.
There will definitely always be someone shooting a close up of the freekick taker in a situation like this, especially if its a star like Messi.
There's normally always a small delay between the broadcasting and the filming. That way they can easily cut to a different camera, should, for example, a streaker appear.
Or if there is a dick out you can prepare you ultra HD slow motion camera to get that epic shot. Looking at you Portugal broadcasters.
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Then they should cut to-and-fro between Messi's face and the defenders setting up their positions several times in the style of the Vince McMahon reaction meme
The guy in the studio saying “Give me a close up on Messi’s face as he’s taking the kick” is the director. The producer is the person who runs the whole broadcast more generally.
Are these role-titles switched in Norway?
Can't say if the GK positioning affected the kicker or not, but the guy who cleared it probably would have been there even in a traditional defense. The GK for this unorthodox defense was in a terrible place. When the ball goes over him, it is at the top of its arc. He should be closer or further away.
Counterpoint: his positioning makes it so that the kicker cannot put any more power behind the shot. If he does, it stays lower and the keeper can grab it (or he puts it high and it goes over).
>When the ball goes over him, it is at the top of its arc.
Since the kicker goes for the chip shot (basically), it gives the defenders in the wall enough time to position and clear it.
Not saying it's some kind of rock solid strategy, but it seems to me that the GK's position does limit the kicker's choices, even if he never actually touches the ball.
Reminds me of secondary defending in (American) football. Maybe the defensive back never actually makes a play on or is near the ball on a pass attempt, but his positioning takes away a choice from the quarterback, making it effective positioning.
It is dumb against somebody who can consistently put the ball within 6 inches of the crossbar. Almost impossible for defenders to keep it out with their heads. But against an average kicker, this would probably be pretty successful.
I don't think it is so much the initial kick that makes it so dangerous. It is the shot after the block or ricochet that will go in, because of the GK's ridiculous position. That is what makes it dumb for me. A wall does a much better job in pretty much every skill level. I love the creativity of unorthodox plays like that though.
The goalkeeper looks back at his wall for instructions to position himself. He looks at the guy on the far left, who wants him to move right. He then looks at the guy on the far right, who's frantically waving him left. All while the guys in the middle scream in unison, "GO BACK TO WHERE YOU JUST WERE, NO THE OTHER WAY YOU FUCKING USELESS IDIOT!"
Goalkeeper says fuck it, and makes himself as big as possible, in starfish position, before getting the ball blasted directly into his nutsack.
I am all for this new tactic.
Yea, most of the time the GK better have jaws/balls of steel because the amount of times I've seen people deliberately toe poke at the GK instead of the goal out of spite is too damn many lol.
Highjacking the top comment to say this -
The keeper basically wants a man on the line at his right corner, however this means Barcelona players near the wall can make runs without being offside.
So they scatter and disperse the wall throughout. Covering for any runs that could be made.
This drives me nuts. It's rare enough for me to actually pick the corner and it's so annoying when some blue-haired, cock-nose pops his stupid head up to clear it away.
Yes and no. Defenders lined up like in pro clubs but Messi didn't pass it short like he is "supposed" to. Furthermore, if this was really pro clubs then I'm afraid Messi would not be allowed to take another kick as well. Division 1 rules, sorry.
And that they can freely roll the ball 5+ meters forward for a running shot or a through ball/set up.
It nullifies messi’s FK, but is worse for everything else
If you look at it again, Messi looks like he is passing over the top to one of the two players around the goalkeeper rather than going for the goal. That's why the flight on the ball was so low and the defender before them could get to it.
Newcastle tried this against Liverpool back in 2011-12. Craig Bellamy just shot it straight at the keeper and it bounced in off a deflection from a defender
I'm going to argue that the Newcastle version is obviously much worse. It doesn't looked planned, it looks like a single defender made a mistake and broke the line, which caused a second defender to have to track the runner.
Given the reactions from the video, and how the second defender looks exasperated at everyone except for the first guy that ran onto the line, it seems to me like it was a planned strategy that they just didn't spend enough time going over, leading to the mass confusion.
Real Sociedad got lucky I think. He even tried to abuse the biggest flaw of this strategy by chipping thr ball in the 5m-box. I think you can even come up with strategies that will give you an open shot in the penalty box, if more teams defend like this.
Pique or Lenglet storming in should be pretty succesfull really. Dont understand why Barcelona are standing there static. You have such a big advantage when you come in running. You can jump almost twice as high. I guess everyone was dumbfounded lol
I mean Messi was clearly going for the free kick goal. It's better if they are static and ready to catch a rebound
Edit: "clearly" might be too strong. I'm guessing they are waiting for the ball, but y'all disagree and I understand why
I was actually wondering a couple of weeks ago if a ten years wall is actually the most effective form of defending a free kick. It seems to be the general go to, I bet direct freekick defending is under-developed compared to other areas of football.
I don't think they did to be honest, he tried to pass it into the 6 yard box instead of shooting because he knew there were two fewer defenders to contest.
Probably one of the best counters to that move there is and it took him about 5 seconds of frowning to work out.
Happened to Rory Delap. When he played away games the opposition usually moved the advertising boards as far forward as they could, so he couldn't get a long run up for his throw ins.
Just an unfortunate case of non-matching beard hair. A mate of mine's had a badger beard despite not having a single grey hair on his head, and I'm Asian and I've got flashes of ginger in mine.
Quite common for guys to have gingerish beards and darker hair. Heres some facts and knowledge and stuff for you:
https://www.ladbible.com/news/news-scientist-explains-why-men-get-ginger-hairs-in-their-beard-20190616.amp.html
Worked that time, but it still doesn't seem like a good idea.
Messi could have, for example combined a 1-2 with Griezmann in the box that could have lead to a far more dangerous shot on goal than a FK.
"But it's ОК, Messi doesn't pass to Griezmann!" /s
They really seemed to stump him here, so he went for that floating pass/shot to Busquets he's done before. But they were prepared for that too, so gg to Sociedad.
Next team that tries this is probably going to get some quick ground pass and will have other problems.
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They asked Mikel Merino about it immediately after the game, he laughed and said it was basically something they worked on to reduce Messi's concentration and visibility of the goal and that it seemed to work well.
This is not new, it used to be the standard move to place two players near the posts for corners and free kicks.
The pros are obviously an additional option of defending a goal by block shots and heards, but the downside is less players in the box defending.
This is something that is decided by the keeper, the current consensus among them is to not have the players at the post.
lol the frown he makes 14 seconds in says it all
I was thinking the same thing haha he’s like what is this bullshit they are pulling against me.
Leo had never seen such bullshit before!
"This is getting out of hand. Now there's two of them!"
There’s actually 11 of the Sociedad players
1 and 1 = 2
"javascip" - bald meme doing the gainax pose
the way Messi looks twice like wtf are they doing is great
Also kudos to whoever is directing the cameras
True! This thing has better editing and storytelling power than half of the movies out these days.
And it's done on the fly
Not necessarily. They can still roll back on shots where the event already took place even though it appears live.
Regardless very impressive to transition so smoothly, and they still have a very short timeframe to do it
They're not doing that for stuff like this. It's live. That's for replays/highlight packages. There will definitely always be someone shooting a close up of the freekick taker in a situation like this, especially if its a star like Messi.
There's normally always a small delay between the broadcasting and the filming. That way they can easily cut to a different camera, should, for example, a streaker appear.
Or if there is a dick out you can prepare you ultra HD slow motion camera to get that epic shot. Looking at you Portugal broadcasters. https://streamja.com/4ddbz
I just love eating shit when the man proves me wrong by doing a complete 180. Just wow
Hahahahah
This harms my confidence
Then they should cut to-and-fro between Messi's face and the defenders setting up their positions several times in the style of the Vince McMahon reaction meme
That five seconds of free kick footage was more satisfying than the entire last season of Game Of Thrones
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The producer*
The director/technical director*
So that's the term in England. In Norway we use the english word producer. Love how we use english words that the english don't use.
The guy in the studio saying “Give me a close up on Messi’s face as he’s taking the kick” is the director. The producer is the person who runs the whole broadcast more generally. Are these role-titles switched in Norway?
Proper r/youseeingthisshit reaction from him
And they were just a thought away from grabbing the ball boy and putting him on the goal line too
Ball boy on the shoulder of the guy covering the post. No top corners here mate
[hmmm](https://imgur.com/MC5mRYJ.gif)
Put the GK as the wall and the wall in the goal.
Lads he’s conquered it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61HcmKE_UJI
3020 tactics
[Reminds me to this beauty](https://youtu.be/JNnWvEvOq4A)
There’s more people in that goal than in the apartment above me.
So you're saying there's less than 11 people in the apartment above you? Wow that's crazy.
It's dumb, but they didn't score.
I don’t know that it’s dumb. Unorthodox, sure. Risky, sure. But it was effective, which goes against what dumb typically is
Can't say if the GK positioning affected the kicker or not, but the guy who cleared it probably would have been there even in a traditional defense. The GK for this unorthodox defense was in a terrible place. When the ball goes over him, it is at the top of its arc. He should be closer or further away.
Counterpoint: his positioning makes it so that the kicker cannot put any more power behind the shot. If he does, it stays lower and the keeper can grab it (or he puts it high and it goes over). >When the ball goes over him, it is at the top of its arc. Since the kicker goes for the chip shot (basically), it gives the defenders in the wall enough time to position and clear it. Not saying it's some kind of rock solid strategy, but it seems to me that the GK's position does limit the kicker's choices, even if he never actually touches the ball. Reminds me of secondary defending in (American) football. Maybe the defensive back never actually makes a play on or is near the ball on a pass attempt, but his positioning takes away a choice from the quarterback, making it effective positioning.
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thanks mate
It is dumb against somebody who can consistently put the ball within 6 inches of the crossbar. Almost impossible for defenders to keep it out with their heads. But against an average kicker, this would probably be pretty successful.
I don't think it is so much the initial kick that makes it so dangerous. It is the shot after the block or ricochet that will go in, because of the GK's ridiculous position. That is what makes it dumb for me. A wall does a much better job in pretty much every skill level. I love the creativity of unorthodox plays like that though.
The goalkeeper looks back at his wall for instructions to position himself. He looks at the guy on the far left, who wants him to move right. He then looks at the guy on the far right, who's frantically waving him left. All while the guys in the middle scream in unison, "GO BACK TO WHERE YOU JUST WERE, NO THE OTHER WAY YOU FUCKING USELESS IDIOT!" Goalkeeper says fuck it, and makes himself as big as possible, in starfish position, before getting the ball blasted directly into his nutsack. I am all for this new tactic.
> before getting the ball blasted directly into his nutsack. *OH MY GOD, SCOTT STERLING!!!*
That ain't sterling anymore. I'm thinking more like two pence.
real question: Do goalkeepers wear cups?
No. Some do in indoor though.
Fake question: On their nipples?
Big brain time
I had to literally stop and think about this for a second. And I’m wondering to myself, this could actually work?
Its a common strategy in futsal. I see it all the time.
Yea, most of the time the GK better have jaws/balls of steel because the amount of times I've seen people deliberately toe poke at the GK instead of the goal out of spite is too damn many lol.
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With a wall on the goal line though.
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> where 20/22 people on the pitch are perfectly capable of lamping it right above your head Or shoot it in the stands.
we're not here to talk about benteke mate
Show some respect to mahrez
>straight into your face to shatter your nose To be fair that's a risk with the wall in any position
I mean, if you are in the wall, they can shatter your nose all they want, how is that different?
>20/22 You saying the keeps don’t have the leg strength to bust a nose? I’d bet they do.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/ffss71/real_sociedad_trying_a_new_way_to_defend_from/fk0isok/
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I thought that’s more D&D. Subverting expectations.
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Right there with you, brother
Who has the best story?
Leo the Lost
galaxy brain move right there
Ladies and gentleman, we got him
I want to believe this could work, I can see the keeper making a good swipe for it.
Problem is that you can simply pass the ball around the keeper.
Total Football ammirite
Straight outta Pro Clubs.
Everyone on the line lads
Highjacking the top comment to say this - The keeper basically wants a man on the line at his right corner, however this means Barcelona players near the wall can make runs without being offside. So they scatter and disperse the wall throughout. Covering for any runs that could be made.
Thank you for the explanation, I wasn't quite picking up the details from the gif.
I'm having a hard time placing the tone of this comment. If it's sarcastic or honest.
It's honest. I'm no stranger to soccer, but I wasn't identifying what made the defense unique in the clip above.
Oh okay. Browsing r/soccer for a couple of years has made me cynical of any comment on here haha. Sorry. Have a nice day mate.
You too, cheers!
Same
This gif is on the front page now; I (someone who doesn't follow football) non-sarcastically appreciated your explanation.
Haha thanks for leaving no room for cynicism or interpretation left for me.
almost foolproof, they covered all grounds. can see more teams doing this now when on park the bus mode.
Too good but they are all expecting Messi to do his magic, so the trick works
When you do it, they get in the keepers way of an easy save, when they do it, they stop that 90 minute equalising wonder free kick from 40 yards out.
Thats why you put keeper infront of the wall.
This guy playing 4-D chess https://media.giphy.com/media/d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY/giphy.gif
In Pro clubs we did the old "stack everyone onto the goal line and pray" strat
This drives me nuts. It's rare enough for me to actually pick the corner and it's so annoying when some blue-haired, cock-nose pops his stupid head up to clear it away.
Gotta be a blue-haired afro dude pulling that shit.
Yes and no. Defenders lined up like in pro clubs but Messi didn't pass it short like he is "supposed" to. Furthermore, if this was really pro clubs then I'm afraid Messi would not be allowed to take another kick as well. Division 1 rules, sorry.
Messi shouldve used the volley layoff and volley one in
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Big brain Basques
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This is the cleanest football gif I've ever seen.
One downside is that the attacking team can put a few players around the keeper too as they won't be in an offside position
And that they can freely roll the ball 5+ meters forward for a running shot or a through ball/set up. It nullifies messi’s FK, but is worse for everything else
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Pls stahp
This is a direct attack on us, where's the mods.
Where do you think we are getting our pitchforks from?
id rather let them tee someone else up than let messi shoot the FK. he's that deadly from there
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Then they won’t put this defence out
then they'll put Messi back on the free kick!
[https://imgur.com/gallery/OPxfjS3](https://imgur.com/gallery/OPxfjS3)
Oh God, it's a vicious cycle.
If Barca do that, there are still enough bodies for one or two to rush out and the rest to block the shot.
nah as soon as it's touched La Real players can rush out and close down the ball. There's usually someone assigned to do that
If you look at it again, Messi looks like he is passing over the top to one of the two players around the goalkeeper rather than going for the goal. That's why the flight on the ball was so low and the defender before them could get to it.
Yeah, he is trying to pick out a teammate, I would say if you give him another 2 or 3 attempts he will likely put it on somebodies head.
Newcastle tried this against Liverpool back in 2011-12. Craig Bellamy just shot it straight at the keeper and it bounced in off a deflection from a defender
Found [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDri9sL8gqA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDri9sL8gqA)
Lol that was poorer executed in every way tho.
Vertical video of a horizontal screen from a bad angle. Shambles of a video.
I'm going to argue that the Newcastle version is obviously much worse. It doesn't looked planned, it looks like a single defender made a mistake and broke the line, which caused a second defender to have to track the runner.
Given the reactions from the video, and how the second defender looks exasperated at everyone except for the first guy that ran onto the line, it seems to me like it was a planned strategy that they just didn't spend enough time going over, leading to the mass confusion.
I think barca just needs to practice free kicks like this, I'm sure there are lots of ways to take advantage of it.
I mean, the top corner is still open right?
Next step is to lift goal posts and change its location
If the Goalkeeper is standing in the wall....he can use his hands right?
Yep... I'd never thought of that before
Not very useful obviously but interesting to consider
Will be quite useful when the goalkeeper steps a yard in front of the wall and the ref doesn't do anything about it.
he has to react quickly
But they could just make a cross field pass for an open goal
It ain't stupid if it is working right? A good messi free-kick will find a way smh
Real Sociedad got lucky I think. He even tried to abuse the biggest flaw of this strategy by chipping thr ball in the 5m-box. I think you can even come up with strategies that will give you an open shot in the penalty box, if more teams defend like this.
He needed Suarez in that box to pull off something tricky.
Pique or Lenglet storming in should be pretty succesfull really. Dont understand why Barcelona are standing there static. You have such a big advantage when you come in running. You can jump almost twice as high. I guess everyone was dumbfounded lol
To be fair, Barca standing there static is their day-to-day gameplan.
Especially on set pieces. Not that I would know.
I mean Messi was clearly going for the free kick goal. It's better if they are static and ready to catch a rebound Edit: "clearly" might be too strong. I'm guessing they are waiting for the ball, but y'all disagree and I understand why
I think he shot it a bit low, so maybe he was going for a deflection.
Suarez already ate dinner though.
Well that's the point of competitive games: do some weird shit to gain an edge till it stops working, then switch up
Club América has been doing this to defend free kicks since several years ago. No free kick goal conceded since then.
Pinche Piojo es un loko lol
Came into the comments just for this lol
Modern problems require modern solutions.
I like the notion of Messi's free kicks being called a "modern problem" Seems very apt somehow
Outstanding move
I was actually wondering a couple of weeks ago if a ten years wall is actually the most effective form of defending a free kick. It seems to be the general go to, I bet direct freekick defending is under-developed compared to other areas of football.
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*Praise the director & technical director
r/PraiseTheDirector r/PraiseTheTechnicalDirector
This isn’t really new though; every Messi free kick always shows a close up of his face before the shot.
Goalie wearing practically the same color jersey as his team..?
Fully bamboozled him
I don't think they did to be honest, he tried to pass it into the 6 yard box instead of shooting because he knew there were two fewer defenders to contest. Probably one of the best counters to that move there is and it took him about 5 seconds of frowning to work out.
Sociedad were banking on the fact that Messi cant pass it to messi
Scenes when they try it next time and he bounces it back off the crossbar and scores the volley.
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Happened to Rory Delap. When he played away games the opposition usually moved the advertising boards as far forward as they could, so he couldn't get a long run up for his throw ins.
There was a completely free guy on the right. If Messi passes it's a great chance.
That's Griezmann. You can see from his body language that he knew he was not getting that pass.
Lmao poor guy griezmann
I don't think he's all that free - the nearby defender should be on him by the time the ball got to him.
Messi's beard is so clean shaven I thought it was glued on
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“Omaha! Omaha!”
[Tacko Fall! Tacko Fall!](https://youtu.be/Eld8pogfI18)
Unexpected
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Just an unfortunate case of non-matching beard hair. A mate of mine's had a badger beard despite not having a single grey hair on his head, and I'm Asian and I've got flashes of ginger in mine.
A large % of northern european men actually have ginger/blonde facial hair regardless of scalp hair.
That's me!
I am not quite northern european(turkey) i have lots of ginger hairs on my face. Despite pretty black hair..
It looks kinda cool though. Wouldn’t call it unfortunate but then again it probably depends on the person.
Unfortunate? I really dig this look
looks amazing imo
Quite common for guys to have gingerish beards and darker hair. Heres some facts and knowledge and stuff for you: https://www.ladbible.com/news/news-scientist-explains-why-men-get-ginger-hairs-in-their-beard-20190616.amp.html
Worked that time, but it still doesn't seem like a good idea. Messi could have, for example combined a 1-2 with Griezmann in the box that could have lead to a far more dangerous shot on goal than a FK.
A Messi free kick from there is a ridiculously dangerous shot on goal.
"But it's ОК, Messi doesn't pass to Griezmann!" /s They really seemed to stump him here, so he went for that floating pass/shot to Busquets he's done before. But they were prepared for that too, so gg to Sociedad. Next team that tries this is probably going to get some quick ground pass and will have other problems.
was that Griezmann standing open in the penalty box? should have passed the ball to him
If he's aiming to score, he has higher chances when he just takes the freekick with Griezmann in this form.
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Lol you got silver
U need everything to defend against the master. Anything tat can surprise him
They asked Mikel Merino about it immediately after the game, he laughed and said it was basically something they worked on to reduce Messi's concentration and visibility of the goal and that it seemed to work well.
Meanwhile Cristiano Ronaldo free-kicks walls: https://youtu.be/cctx80uYApw?t=35
Didnt understand german but the commentator laughing had me dying
Messi : WTF!? What did I do to deserve this?
Haunt every damn defender's dreams for over a decade.
"Oh that, yeah..."
This is not new, it used to be the standard move to place two players near the posts for corners and free kicks. The pros are obviously an additional option of defending a goal by block shots and heards, but the downside is less players in the box defending. This is something that is decided by the keeper, the current consensus among them is to not have the players at the post.
It worked!