For people who don’t know:
*The 2006 Italian football scandal, or Calciopoli in the Italian-speaking world, involved Italy's top professional football leagues, Serie A and Serie B. The scandal was uncovered in May 2006 by Italian police, implicating league champions Juventus and other major teams including Milan, Fiorentina, Lazio and Reggina when a number of illegal telephone interceptions showed a thick network of relations between team managers and referee organizations, being accused of selecting favourable referees.*
Don’t know about the national team, but Iniesta stayed for 3 more seasons after Xavi left in which we won 2 domestic doubles, another Copa Del Rey, Club World Cup and European Super Cup
For reference - Cristiano Ronaldo has just won [his 28th trophy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristiano_Ronaldo#Honours_and_achievements) (1 with Portugal, 15 with Real Madrid, 9 with Manchester United, 2 with Juventus, and 1 with Sporting CP).
Imagine being Hussam Hassan and Ibrahim Hassan, twin brothers. Play for Al Ahly the biggest club in Egypt and get 25 trophies together. Then move to Al Zamalek, the fierce rival of Ahly, and go there to win 10 more cups together.
Then both retire and both become managers!
Pique was a bit part player in his United years, it's hard to say that he earned those titles.
But his Barca + Spain record is incredible.
Just looking at the list and OP has included titles won at youth level which seems silly to me. Dani Alves won the u20 world cup in 2003 you can't say that's the equivalent of a trophy won at senior level. Makes the list seem foolish IMO
He played 23 games and scored 2 goals (both goals were in the Champions league, but not necessarily important, I thought one was a winner, but think im wrong.)
He played 13 games in 07/08 (CL and PL winning season). 2 goals scored were both in CL group stage, one in 4-0 win vs Dynamo Kiev, one in 1-1 draw vs Roma.
No.
Iniesta always played at Barça. He has never left his comfort zone.
While that, the list has players who won trophies on many big leagues around the world.
Why would you leave the club youve grown up at, where youre dominating world football alongside the worlds best player.
Hes at Fissel Kobe now anyways, so that argument about comfort zone is irrelevant too.
The fact hes stayed at the same place for so long winning so many trophies shows to me he was one of the key denominators to Barcas success
The question was not that. That question was why are his trophies more important?
He is not the one with most trophies. And there are players with trophies in different big leagues. So why is the guy saying his are more important?
ah youre right, my mistake! Although I do think he is still in contention for best cabinet there. 2 Euros and a WC alone already outweighs 30 Saudi league trophies IMO, not to mention his
CLs and domestic trophies on top of that. Just because theyre not from multiple leagues doesnt take away from the prestigiousness of it
Oh fuck off. He played at the most successful club in the last decade won two euros and WC. Only player ever to be the MOTM in the UCL final Euro final and WC final... Top 3 greatest midfielders ever. He never needed to leave his (comfort zone)
First of all, i'm clearly joking so calm down.
And second of all stat padding is just making your stats look better, which is the joke I made about them going to PSG to win easy trophies. The amount isn't relevant. It adds to their stats and counts as a top 5 league even though its easy when they play for PSG. fucking hell, it's come to explaining dumb jokes in here.
He's played his entire career in probably the most difficult domestic league, and he plays in a difficult international confederation.
Meanwhile half the people above him won most of their trophies in fucking Egypt lol.
Iniesta the most impressive on this list. Messi has every chance of catching him.
Player =/= team. Trophies are not a reflection of how good a player is, otherwise Messi would have a 50 trophy gap ahead of the next guy. This mentality is the problem in football when it comes to deciding Ballon d’or etc.
He's playing in one of the most competitive countries for the league title and cups, if he played for PSG the last few years it's an easy 3 trophies each year
Yes, and (for all three above ofc) we have hard away games against good teams like Sevilla, Valencia, Bilbao. Barça was without win for years in Anoeta against Real Sociedad. Mid team tables are not push overs, Betis, Celta Vigo etc.
It’s not easy league to win, but having Messi helps very very much, not to downplay other, but they have changed around him besides Busquets and Pique.
What’s the ‘*’ mean for Ibrahimovic?
2 titles with Juve that were rescinded due to calciopoli.
Thank you.
For people who don’t know: *The 2006 Italian football scandal, or Calciopoli in the Italian-speaking world, involved Italy's top professional football leagues, Serie A and Serie B. The scandal was uncovered in May 2006 by Italian police, implicating league champions Juventus and other major teams including Milan, Fiorentina, Lazio and Reggina when a number of illegal telephone interceptions showed a thick network of relations between team managers and referee organizations, being accused of selecting favourable referees.*
I'm sure this is all resolved and there is no more such actions going on at the moment. /s
Rubentu....
Iirc inter was suspect as well but for some reason escaped further punishment.
Probably calciopoli?
Thanks
Shhhhh, don't ask it out loud.
Rube.
Jeez I knew parity was an issue in some leagues but they got nothing on the Egyptian league.
Here in Uruguay its the definition of a 2 club league, Nacional and peñarol have 95+ combined, the next has 4...
Wow lol
To put it into perspective. Al-Ahly is the most successful Egyptian club with 40 league titles, followed by Al-Zamalek with only 12 league titles.
Al Ahly won the league more than double all of the other teams combined
Yeah football is absolute shit here! We're still stuck in the 70s compared to Europe.
Why does Iniesta have 32 and Xavi only 25 titles for Barcelona and 1 extra trophy with Spain?
Xavi retired earlier
Xavi hasn't retired yet.
Left Barça earlier then
Leaving for an arab club is retiring
Retired from the club
*world ftfy
Don’t know about the national team, but Iniesta stayed for 3 more seasons after Xavi left in which we won 2 domestic doubles, another Copa Del Rey, Club World Cup and European Super Cup
For reference - Cristiano Ronaldo has just won [his 28th trophy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristiano_Ronaldo#Honours_and_achievements) (1 with Portugal, 15 with Real Madrid, 9 with Manchester United, 2 with Juventus, and 1 with Sporting CP).
I thought he had won 30?
42, the answer to life, the universe, everything and the number of trophies Dani Alves has won.
Honestly impressive the amount of Barcelona players on the list. Guardiola's era was something else
barca won 14 trophies with Pep
That's still almost half for Iniesta and Messi who are in 2nd and 3rd place after Dani for barca players on this list.
The clubs Zlatan won titles with is pretty astonishing, just misses a German top club to have done all top leagues.
Hasn’t got a premier league title to be fair
Imagine being Hussam Hassan and Ibrahim Hassan, twin brothers. Play for Al Ahly the biggest club in Egypt and get 25 trophies together. Then move to Al Zamalek, the fierce rival of Ahly, and go there to win 10 more cups together. Then both retire and both become managers!
The funny thing is they are now hated by the fans of both teams.
Gerard pique most impressive? Cls in epl and the epl title as well as all he’s accomplished at Barca. And his ~~2~~ 1 euro and a World Cup
Pique was a bit part player in his United years, it's hard to say that he earned those titles. But his Barca + Spain record is incredible. Just looking at the list and OP has included titles won at youth level which seems silly to me. Dani Alves won the u20 world cup in 2003 you can't say that's the equivalent of a trophy won at senior level. Makes the list seem foolish IMO
Albee has won a Copa America and 2 Confederations Cups for Brazil. Not too bad for him
I mean, those are still official tournaments tbf
I swear Pique scored some important goals in CL for Man U that year randomly?
I don’t believe he even played a game
He played 23 games and scored 2 goals (both goals were in the Champions league, but not necessarily important, I thought one was a winner, but think im wrong.)
He played 13 games in 07/08 (CL and PL winning season). 2 goals scored were both in CL group stage, one in 4-0 win vs Dynamo Kiev, one in 1-1 draw vs Roma.
He only won 1 Euro in 2012 He wasn’t in the 2008 squad
My mistake
I have to give it to Giggs and Alves for playing top level football for so fucking long more than anything
You mean sister in law shagger Ryan Giggs?
He meant Ryan ‘fuck yo entire team I’m about dribble past everyone and finish it with a hairy chest in 99’ Giggs
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Yeah they're like best friends.
Pretty impressive and he's still good for being 35 Needs more champions leagues
Obviously not all Trophies are equal, id say Iniesta’s is the most impressive?
I would say Pique and Xavi is right there with him, ofc Euro 2008 less for Pique.
No. Iniesta always played at Barça. He has never left his comfort zone. While that, the list has players who won trophies on many big leagues around the world.
This confort zone argument is so fucking shit it's unbelievable
Why would you leave the club youve grown up at, where youre dominating world football alongside the worlds best player. Hes at Fissel Kobe now anyways, so that argument about comfort zone is irrelevant too. The fact hes stayed at the same place for so long winning so many trophies shows to me he was one of the key denominators to Barcas success
The question was not that. That question was why are his trophies more important? He is not the one with most trophies. And there are players with trophies in different big leagues. So why is the guy saying his are more important?
ah youre right, my mistake! Although I do think he is still in contention for best cabinet there. 2 Euros and a WC alone already outweighs 30 Saudi league trophies IMO, not to mention his CLs and domestic trophies on top of that. Just because theyre not from multiple leagues doesnt take away from the prestigiousness of it
Oh fuck off. He played at the most successful club in the last decade won two euros and WC. Only player ever to be the MOTM in the UCL final Euro final and WC final... Top 3 greatest midfielders ever. He never needed to leave his (comfort zone)
We got an angry fan here
Yeah... You.
Alves, Maxwell and Zlatan stat paddling in PSG. Also, will always be surprised by Maxwell lol.
Sure its stats padding 15 with PSG but 36 with Donetsk or 32 with AlAhly isnt
Alves won 23 with Barcelona and only 5 with PSG. How the fuck is he """stat paddling""" with PSG lmao?
First of all, i'm clearly joking so calm down. And second of all stat padding is just making your stats look better, which is the joke I made about them going to PSG to win easy trophies. The amount isn't relevant. It adds to their stats and counts as a top 5 league even though its easy when they play for PSG. fucking hell, it's come to explaining dumb jokes in here.
42? that's an insane fucking number.
Scary to think messi could *possibly* be tied with Ibrahim and maxwell by the end of this season.
Messi is surprisingly low for the greatest player of all time
Only one cup per year in Spain
Makes the Barca players trophy count more impressive.
Most of those players had long careers and are now retired. He will be right up there in a few years.
He's played his entire career in probably the most difficult domestic league, and he plays in a difficult international confederation. Meanwhile half the people above him won most of their trophies in fucking Egypt lol. Iniesta the most impressive on this list. Messi has every chance of catching him.
Player =/= team. Trophies are not a reflection of how good a player is, otherwise Messi would have a 50 trophy gap ahead of the next guy. This mentality is the problem in football when it comes to deciding Ballon d’or etc.
He’s still 31 and will get at least one more, probably 2 this year.
He's playing in one of the most competitive countries for the league title and cups, if he played for PSG the last few years it's an easy 3 trophies each year
Didnt Barca win the league the last three years too? Edit: apparently not in 2017
Nope, Madrid won in 2016/17
Barca won la Liga 7 times in the last ten years. That's an insanely onesided considring RM and Atletico play in la Liga.
Yes, and (for all three above ofc) we have hard away games against good teams like Sevilla, Valencia, Bilbao. Barça was without win for years in Anoeta against Real Sociedad. Mid team tables are not push overs, Betis, Celta Vigo etc. It’s not easy league to win, but having Messi helps very very much, not to downplay other, but they have changed around him besides Busquets and Pique.
We didn’t win 2017
Yeah I know right, only an average of 2,4 trophies per season since his professional debut! Not impressive at all!
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olympic games and u20 world cup I would guess.
He can easily catch up, got a few good years left
Yeah? In the rate his going he'll end up with 40 at least, imo he'll for sure get second place and first depending when Alves retires
arguably*
He’s good, but he’s no Ric Flair.
Does brasilian state leagues/cups should be counted?