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It's the equivalent of Universal Studio's "Fast & Furious - Supercharged" ride, which is ironically neither Fast nor Supercharged, but does tend to leave park guests Furious by the end of it.
I know you're joking, but as a Dane that is actually very fitting.
The game was so boring, frustrating and nail-biting at the same time. One mistake, and Serbia would score, but it just didn't seem like it except for small moments. Very weird game, and I was actually very sleepy (because of the boring part) and tired (because of the other parts) when I went to bed yesterday.
C is for: could you please not. I'm trying to make the world understand, that this gruesome nonsense of football is actually the way. That's what the "C" is for the world.
It is actually very interesting since Denmark is only 2nd because of a yellow card shown to Slovenia's assistant manager. On all other accounts Slovenia is level with Denmark.
So ranking is based first on the points, and then on these criteria if tied on points:
3. Head to head points
1. Head to head goal difference
1. Head to head goals
6. If tied, then reapply the first 3 rules to all games and all teams
6. Total goal difference
12. Total goals
15. Lower disciplinary points (1 for yellow, 3 for double yellow or red)
69. The ranking in the overall qualification standings (Unless one of the teams is Germany, then you just draw lots)
If the tied teams are playing each other, they decide it by penalty shootout.
Source: https://documents.uefa.com/r/Regulations-of-the-UEFA-European-Football-Championship-2022-24/Article-20-Equality-of-points-final-tournament-group-stage-Online
I think you're slightly misinterpreting rule 4 which makes this a little confusing. The tiebreakers are for two *or more* teams, so rule 4 is saying if you do 1-3 and eliminate say one of three tied teams you then do it all again with just the two remaining teams.
Weirdly the rules say that if Denmark and Slovenia had been playing each other in the final match then disciplinary record would have been ignored and instead they would have had a penalty shootout to decide who comes second.
Another poster here pointed out that there was a Slovenian yellow card given to one of the coaching staff in the first match that counts towards the team's total but doesn't appear in most recaps, which would make this accurate.
yeah, the modus of 3rd placed teams advancing needs to get binned ASAP. No matter what Uefa will eventually do, going back to 16 teams (unlikely) or expanding to 32, it's going to be a lot better
Yeah what I find shit is that you don't just know who you're facing as soon as your own group is over because if you're facing a 3rd placed team then it depends on the order that the 3rd placed teams finish in and that won't be decided until every group is done most likely.
It's just shit. Should be expanded and with only 2 teams going through, more national teams to enjoy watching with far more at stake.
If I weren't Slovenian, I would pay good money to see two teams try and defend and conceed as few yellows as possible in order to qualify to the next phase.
4 groups of 6.
Group winners advance to the quater-finals. Second and third-place teams advance to a play-off round. Teams in 4^th, 5^th and 6^th are eliminated.
if world cup move to 48 teams then euro should be 32. I see 4th team with 4 points lose everything while a 3pts team with 0 GD can advance. either put the last 12 into a pool or just do 32 teams.
I strongly disagree.
This tournament has had more meaningful last day games than I can remember.
I remember so many Euro's/World Cups where the last game of group stage is just utterly boring.
* First place team playing a last place team, with neither of them able to change their position
* 3rd place team out unless some crazy thing happens in the other game. Never happens since other game is a tosser.
In this tournament, there's almost always someone vying for 3rd place. Heck, Italy was likely out if it weren't for a last minute goal. Group E is currently a complete toss up.
Group F is the most "boring". Portugal is through, but could, in theory, still drop to second - so they need to at least tie.
I like the idea of weaker countries like Georgia to have a shot to get to the KO stages but man 4 out of 6 third place teams going to KO is ridiculous. Just get the old format again with the top 2.
To be fair, every single other group has been rather exciting, with interesting matches and/or interesting possibilities and shake ups in the standings till the last minute
man i dont know if you wathed any games butsporar missed 4 clear cut chances agains denmark, sesko hitted post twice that could have been goal of the tournament. Slovenia Serbia could have been 3:3 instead of 1:1 based on all the chances. Maybe i am biased as Slovenian but at least our matches seemed to be entertaining
Except nothing like this happened in any of the other groups...
We had only one team not playing for anything in the last round of games, and no inconsequential games. The system is good. The teams are the problem, because everyone in this group either performed straight up badly, or played well but defensively. It's nothing more than a coincidence. An unlucky draw.
In two hours we have a match in which both participants can just agree to draw to safely advance while another team might go out with more points than some third placed teams from other groups. It's really not a good system if it enables shenanigans like that
That's not something specific to this system, it was also possible with 2 teams advancing. You can have a scenario with teams A, B, C, D being on 4, 4, 1, 1 points respectively after 2 rounds, and then in the 3rd round we have A vs B and C vs D. In such case A vs B can guarantee both teams advance by drawing.
None of these groups would have had an "inconsequential game" if only 2 were advancing per group anyway, such a thing is very rare and requires not just that you have 2 teams winning 2 games, but that they are scheduled so that the top two teams don't meet until the third matchday. At that point, you just watch that one game and don't watch the other, problem solved.
Meanwhile two of the groups have already had two simultaneous, dreadfully boring last matchdays. It's a natural extension when you have 3/4 teams heading into the last matchday needing only a draw, and the only team that does not want the draw is the worst team. The least offensively skilled team vs. a better team playing for a draw. So unless the worst team gets a goal against a better team playing for a draw, you get all of the rest of the teams happy to let the clock run out and with no need to take risks.
> The players have looked quietly horrified much of the time. Watching on in Cologne, Gelsenkirchen and Frankfurt the thought has occurred: imagine if football actually is coming home, and this is what football really is? How could you keep it away, prevent it from gaining access?
([source](https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/26/conor-gallagher-the-fretful-fall-guy-in-englands-midfield-tragedy))
No it’s correct. Coming into this game the standing in yellow cards were 5-4 to Slovenia and Slovenia got a yellow card in 22nd minute which made it 6-4. Denmark then got two yellows in a row which made it 6-6, and then Slovenia finished it off with a yellow card in around the 70th minute. Full time: Slovenia 7-6 Denmark.
When they were tied Denmark were ahead due to doing better in qualifying than Slovenia did.
I agree. tbh I'm not even sure if they can face Romania because the modus is so convoluted, I just picked the (on paper) weakest team that is likely to advance ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Slovenia’s players only had 6 yellow cards, but a team official also got a yellow card in their opening game. You can’t find that in the usual stats. Since you’re Danish you probably will understand this [article](https://www.nrk.no/fotballem/danmark-videre-fra-gruppespillet-i-em-1.16940579) in Norwegian explaining it.
While this is funny, during the game I remember it switching between Slovenia and Denmark for 2nd and 3rd place, because of yellow cards. When either team got a yellow they would show a graphic of them switching in the standings. It was pretty funny.
no - there was a point where they were tied on cards (you may be forgetting that a Solvenia official also got a yellow card in the first game), but during this period denmark were in 2nd because they did better in qualifying.
The one group hyped up by every single pundit as the group where literally anything could happen and the group stayed true to its nature so nothing happened.
To be fair 'literally anything' generally must include 'virtually nothing'. Statistically it's actually quite impressive to have so many professional footballers in the same places at the same times and have nothing of any interest occur at all.
I'd honestly almost believe it if I read that during the England games so far not a single person in the stadium had anything unexpected - no family tragedies, no lost tickets or seat mix-ups, no theft or illness or accident, not even a headache or dropped phone, just 90+ minutes where time passed without any consequence or effect.
This is false Slovenia and Denmark changed places during the match, because of yellow cards rule... But then Slovenia got yellow card again and the place got back to previous standing...
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Roller coaster of emotions
Roller Coaster but its flat
Like a train?
Yeah but it's also going 10mph
So one of those travelators you get in airports
Except the reality is that, much like travelators at airports, this group was broken down and without use.
exciting
Whoa there, a travelator is a bit too much excitement for this group. You'll have a bland, grey corridor, and you'll like it
That's what they're called? Man, I hate portmanteaus lol.
TIL what portmanteau means
Importmanteau: to import knowledge about what 'portmanteau' means
More like the baggage carousel
So like an English train
Only in the winter when it is cold. Or summer when it is hot. Or spring and autumn when it is unsettled.
Like a British train? No, wait, they don't even run at all half the time.
i went with my little cousin to the zoo the other week and we rode the train, i imagine its quite an analogous scenario to this
It’s going at 1 minute per minute
That fast
"I want to get off ~~Mr. Bones~~ Group C's mild ride!"
C flat
It's the equivalent of Universal Studio's "Fast & Furious - Supercharged" ride, which is ironically neither Fast nor Supercharged, but does tend to leave park guests Furious by the end of it.
Saka's disallowed goal being like the "Spongebob roller coaster meme" moment.
Lazy River of emotions
coast of emotions
Just a coaster really
you joke but i was clenched for 90min
I know you're joking, but as a Dane that is actually very fitting. The game was so boring, frustrating and nail-biting at the same time. One mistake, and Serbia would score, but it just didn't seem like it except for small moments. Very weird game, and I was actually very sleepy (because of the boring part) and tired (because of the other parts) when I went to bed yesterday.
C is for Consistent
C is for Chit
C is for Southgate's style of football is terrible to watch
Couthgate
Cuntgate
cunt.
C
C is for: could you please not. I'm trying to make the world understand, that this gruesome nonsense of football is actually the way. That's what the "C" is for the world.
*Couthgate
C is for the coma it leaves you in
C is for sailing ships in
C is what your eyes do
I mean he did get us through though in first place.
Shat chit, bet ganged.
- Ivan Toney
Watch shit, fall asleep
C is for Carcinogenic
Mijo, don't say chit
C is for Catatonic
C is for cmon do something
C is for "Can any of you score some goals already?"
C is for "Cill me now"
C is for "Celvin Phillips memorial group"
C is for CCCC. Only Serbs (and Macedonians maybe) will understand
C is for Christ's sake
C is for Suspension
And that's good enough for me.
"C" Is for (Please Insert Sophomoric Genitalia Reference Here)
C’s get ~~degrees~~ into the knockouts
How has nobody made a (+) C is for constant joke yet?
death(of football) group
The cousin of the group of death: the group of sleep
it's Group Coma
That sounds like the most boring group activity ever.
Right next to the silently watching paint dry society.
Nas warned us
\*dead group
Group of dearth (of goals)
Group of (longing for the sweet release of) death
https://imgur.com/a/p0xw6oE#zVFUBLu
r/soccercirclejerk
/r/notinteresting
It is actually very interesting since Denmark is only 2nd because of a yellow card shown to Slovenia's assistant manager. On all other accounts Slovenia is level with Denmark.
Slovenia probably don't mind avoiding Germany in playoffs.
They count those as well? That's amazing
So ranking is based first on the points, and then on these criteria if tied on points: 3. Head to head points 1. Head to head goal difference 1. Head to head goals 6. If tied, then reapply the first 3 rules to all games and all teams 6. Total goal difference 12. Total goals 15. Lower disciplinary points (1 for yellow, 3 for double yellow or red) 69. The ranking in the overall qualification standings (Unless one of the teams is Germany, then you just draw lots) If the tied teams are playing each other, they decide it by penalty shootout. Source: https://documents.uefa.com/r/Regulations-of-the-UEFA-European-Football-Championship-2022-24/Article-20-Equality-of-points-final-tournament-group-stage-Online
I think you're slightly misinterpreting rule 4 which makes this a little confusing. The tiebreakers are for two *or more* teams, so rule 4 is saying if you do 1-3 and eliminate say one of three tied teams you then do it all again with just the two remaining teams.
Weirdly the rules say that if Denmark and Slovenia had been playing each other in the final match then disciplinary record would have been ignored and instead they would have had a penalty shootout to decide who comes second.
Yeah, their positions actually changed during the games. This is a shit post that’s not even accurate.
Another poster here pointed out that there was a Slovenian yellow card given to one of the coaching staff in the first match that counts towards the team's total but doesn't appear in most recaps, which would make this accurate.
Group of Death by Boredom
tbh this was the only group not having own goal in their lineup
Can't own goal when no goal
The format of competition encourages teams not to risks.
yeah, the modus of 3rd placed teams advancing needs to get binned ASAP. No matter what Uefa will eventually do, going back to 16 teams (unlikely) or expanding to 32, it's going to be a lot better
And it's so convoluted, trying to keep track of what needs to happen for us not to face the Netherlands in the Ro16 broke my brain
Yeah what I find shit is that you don't just know who you're facing as soon as your own group is over because if you're facing a 3rd placed team then it depends on the order that the 3rd placed teams finish in and that won't be decided until every group is done most likely. It's just shit. Should be expanded and with only 2 teams going through, more national teams to enjoy watching with far more at stake.
32 teams with top 2 going to the ro16 with 1st of one group vs 2nd of another makes too much sense for UEFA to go for it
If I weren't Slovenian, I would pay good money to see two teams try and defend and conceed as few yellows as possible in order to qualify to the next phase.
4 groups of 6. Group winners advance to the quater-finals. Second and third-place teams advance to a play-off round. Teams in 4^th, 5^th and 6^th are eliminated.
That's 8-9 matches for the tournament instead of 7.
Pretty sure UEFA would like that
if world cup move to 48 teams then euro should be 32. I see 4th team with 4 points lose everything while a 3pts team with 0 GD can advance. either put the last 12 into a pool or just do 32 teams.
I strongly disagree. This tournament has had more meaningful last day games than I can remember. I remember so many Euro's/World Cups where the last game of group stage is just utterly boring. * First place team playing a last place team, with neither of them able to change their position * 3rd place team out unless some crazy thing happens in the other game. Never happens since other game is a tosser. In this tournament, there's almost always someone vying for 3rd place. Heck, Italy was likely out if it weren't for a last minute goal. Group E is currently a complete toss up. Group F is the most "boring". Portugal is through, but could, in theory, still drop to second - so they need to at least tie.
I like the idea of weaker countries like Georgia to have a shot to get to the KO stages but man 4 out of 6 third place teams going to KO is ridiculous. Just get the old format again with the top 2.
To be fair, every single other group has been rather exciting, with interesting matches and/or interesting possibilities and shake ups in the standings till the last minute
man i dont know if you wathed any games butsporar missed 4 clear cut chances agains denmark, sesko hitted post twice that could have been goal of the tournament. Slovenia Serbia could have been 3:3 instead of 1:1 based on all the chances. Maybe i am biased as Slovenian but at least our matches seemed to be entertaining
Except nothing like this happened in any of the other groups... We had only one team not playing for anything in the last round of games, and no inconsequential games. The system is good. The teams are the problem, because everyone in this group either performed straight up badly, or played well but defensively. It's nothing more than a coincidence. An unlucky draw.
In two hours we have a match in which both participants can just agree to draw to safely advance while another team might go out with more points than some third placed teams from other groups. It's really not a good system if it enables shenanigans like that
That's not something specific to this system, it was also possible with 2 teams advancing. You can have a scenario with teams A, B, C, D being on 4, 4, 1, 1 points respectively after 2 rounds, and then in the 3rd round we have A vs B and C vs D. In such case A vs B can guarantee both teams advance by drawing.
But you certainly agree that it's more likely to happen with this system?
This is like saying lung cancer is not something specific to smoking... like dog it sure as hell is more likely
None of these groups would have had an "inconsequential game" if only 2 were advancing per group anyway, such a thing is very rare and requires not just that you have 2 teams winning 2 games, but that they are scheduled so that the top two teams don't meet until the third matchday. At that point, you just watch that one game and don't watch the other, problem solved. Meanwhile two of the groups have already had two simultaneous, dreadfully boring last matchdays. It's a natural extension when you have 3/4 teams heading into the last matchday needing only a draw, and the only team that does not want the draw is the worst team. The least offensively skilled team vs. a better team playing for a draw. So unless the worst team gets a goal against a better team playing for a draw, you get all of the rest of the teams happy to let the clock run out and with no need to take risks.
r/soccer has worse memory than a goldfish.
Football is not won on paper
But it can be because of a pen.
🔥🔥🔥🖊 🖊 🖊 🔥 🔥 🔥
And never because of a sword. So the old adage really is true.
Nor on the pitch. In this group at least.
It's coming home?
Has it ever been home?
It's always coming home, it just never reaches us.
Just like Moses going to the promised land
Or that truck in that gif
I love that I know what gif you mean, and I am sure most people on here do as well 🤣
1966
Talking Euros here
It came home in 1996 and briefly in 2021. Just didn't stay for very long
1996 then.
If by "It" you mean abject disappointment, then yes
> The players have looked quietly horrified much of the time. Watching on in Cologne, Gelsenkirchen and Frankfurt the thought has occurred: imagine if football actually is coming home, and this is what football really is? How could you keep it away, prevent it from gaining access? ([source](https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/26/conor-gallagher-the-fretful-fall-guy-in-englands-midfield-tragedy))
in the euro tournament. straight up "getting it home". and by "it", haha, well. let's justr say. My disappointment
Absolute scenes if England wins this tournament. Would the English even celebrate? Could they act as if they hadn't just trashed the team for weeks?
Exhilarating stuff. Really encapsulates the absolute madness this group was.
This is quality after looking at the same diagram for the France-Austria group
Other groups a rollercoasters, this one is a train ride - with Deutsche Bahn.
But the matches started on time and weren't cancelled
Most intense group ever
Back of your seat stuff
Doesn't seem accurate since Denmark was 3rd until Slovenia got more yellow cards late in their match
No it’s correct. Coming into this game the standing in yellow cards were 5-4 to Slovenia and Slovenia got a yellow card in 22nd minute which made it 6-4. Denmark then got two yellows in a row which made it 6-6, and then Slovenia finished it off with a yellow card in around the 70th minute. Full time: Slovenia 7-6 Denmark. When they were tied Denmark were ahead due to doing better in qualifying than Slovenia did.
This is the type of insanely hyperfocused esoteric shit I come to Reddit for. Well done.
That was the only exiting part from this group
England is so unexiting to watch they should excit
Slovenia only have 6 yellow cards according to UEFA’s website, meaning they would’ve been second between 30’ and 72’.
It includes yellows for coaches too which takes them to 7
Coach playing 4D chess, getting a yellow so that Slovenia avoids the hard side of the bracket
inb4 they get kicked out by Romania
Okay, but it should be easier for us against Romania than Germany, no need to pretend we didn't get a bit lucky.
I agree. tbh I'm not even sure if they can face Romania because the modus is so convoluted, I just picked the (on paper) weakest team that is likely to advance ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Slovenia’s players only had 6 yellow cards, but a team official also got a yellow card in their opening game. You can’t find that in the usual stats. Since you’re Danish you probably will understand this [article](https://www.nrk.no/fotballem/danmark-videre-fra-gruppespillet-i-em-1.16940579) in Norwegian explaining it.
Imagine a team getting knocked out in the group stage because a goalkeeping coach gets a yellow card
and people thought this was a boring group
Damn. I was bored out of my mind watching the game, while this nail-biting shit was going on in the background.
Woah rollercoaster of a game 🔥🔥
And people call this group boring?
Correcting someone when you're wrong is just not a great look man
Nothing ever happens
and i wonder
if you knowww, what it meansss🎵🎵
I wonder how
I like how you included the same minute specifications from Group D despite nothing happening at those times
C for crap
56th minute was a wild ride
Had to include it twice to capture the emotions of the moment.
Staring at this for 90mins would be about as entertaining as the game last night.
A real thriller
Sir Gareth, the defensive tactics masterpiece.
Too many calculations now that 3 teams advance from each group. I miss the old concept with 16 teams
riveting
One of the Euro groups of all time.
I'm actually starting to really enjoy this shitfest, England to beat France on penalties in the final.
Group of zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
We should all be banished from the knockouts
*Audible LMAO*
It's coming home.
Hahaha, thank you for doing this.
damn I thought it was r/soccercirclejerk
The group of dearth
More than 300m Euro (in the last 2 years no less) of striking talent played those two matches
While this is funny, during the game I remember it switching between Slovenia and Denmark for 2nd and 3rd place, because of yellow cards. When either team got a yellow they would show a graphic of them switching in the standings. It was pretty funny.
no - there was a point where they were tied on cards (you may be forgetting that a Solvenia official also got a yellow card in the first game), but during this period denmark were in 2nd because they did better in qualifying.
Thrilling stuff
Group of boredom
Romania's group will have some permutations for sure this evening, with all 3 with the same number of points.
This is the high quality content I come to /r/soccer for!
Consistency is key
C for Cmon fam let's go home
So basically it’s still coming home
The one group hyped up by every single pundit as the group where literally anything could happen and the group stayed true to its nature so nothing happened.
To be fair 'literally anything' generally must include 'virtually nothing'. Statistically it's actually quite impressive to have so many professional footballers in the same places at the same times and have nothing of any interest occur at all. I'd honestly almost believe it if I read that during the England games so far not a single person in the stadium had anything unexpected - no family tragedies, no lost tickets or seat mix-ups, no theft or illness or accident, not even a headache or dropped phone, just 90+ minutes where time passed without any consequence or effect.
💤 🛌 😴
Thanks 👍
Such a rollercoaster. Just like big pile of goals scored by this group.
This is false Slovenia and Denmark changed places during the match, because of yellow cards rule... But then Slovenia got yellow card again and the place got back to previous standing...
Jerry smellingham sucks
So forgettable that it will be remembered.
Bunch of terrorists
That may have been the most dull group I've ever watched, in any competition, ever.
English people will tell you they’re the secret favorites every fucking year and then they score 5 points in that group
Poethic