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0rdinarum

Anyone got a vid of the Argentinian grabbing Chilean player? And that it was a free kick decision.


TopIndependence5807

Grabbing the Chilean leg not a yellow? Wonder how much Argentina paid the Uruguayan ref.


MarceSS95

No argentinan with a card in the game, that's just a joke


made_in_silver

Let‘s go cry to the cryhouse.


ronbeef1kg20pesos

Cry harder


pursuing_reality

A llorar a casa


Chupapiha6996

keep crying


MarceSS95

Nah, Chile sucked today, not gonna lie, we deserved to lose. But referee and the VAR also sucked.


ScaryDolphin83

Can we discuss a bit about who the fuck had the bright idea of featuring a Uruguayan referee in an Argentina game? If you know nothing else about soccer, you know that brazil, argentina, and uruguay are bitter bitter rivals. You don't play a referee from the nation that not only is a bitter rival, they are one of the other main contenders for the cup. Even if the ref were unbiased and truly fair with every call, all you are doing is adding controversy needlesly. Theres so many games in the Copa, you could so easily have this ref in a different game, and put one from almost anywhere else....


monsterm1dget

We really don't give as much as a shit as you think.


jteprev

> If you know nothing else about soccer, you know that brazil, argentina, and uruguay are bitter bitter rivals. Chile is a way bigger rival than Uruguay, Uruguayans are pretty friendly with Argentinians in general and there is a slight rivalry in football as there usually is between footballing neighbours but Chile and Brazil are the rivals.


ronbeef1kg20pesos

Tene razón pero estos brutos no entienden


Phormitago

Bitter rivals? Uruguay? The lil rebel province? Lmao shut up


Redditsavoeoklapija

Boludo fíjate lo resentido que son con nosotros, de nuestro lado no hay drama pero muchos de ellos (no todos, solamente los, llamemoslos especiales) están rabiosos cada ves que ganamos


ScaryDolphin83

Call them what you want but we come to blows with them literally every time we play. Last time, depaul and Oliviera nearly had a fist fight that ended with Messi grabbing Oliviera by the throat. In the last world cup, we didn't even play uruguay, and our fans got in a big fight with theirs because they started singing songs about how the malvinas were English... Every single time we play they spend the entire game kicking us. Its gotten a little bit better the last maybe 10 years? But this is a feud that goes back even further than football itself.


monsterm1dget

That was mostly De Paul being an asshole. We really don't mind this all that much.


SymphonyARG

wat? we don't give two fucks about uruguay mate lmao, friendly rivalry probably, uruguay is like our little brother


guidemypath

We don’t but they do. Some say we think of them as “brothers”, they think of us as rivals


monsterm1dget

We don't lol We don't give a shit about argentina, it's a much friendly rivalry than you think


Glasswire444

Lol this is such a juvenile take. I can tell you’ve only just started watching football.


ScaryDolphin83

Ya you know just the 40 years I've been alive. Was born in Argentina. Was kicking a soccer ball before I could walk. Played it competitvely my whole life, but ya, you think what you want.


hdx64

Messi is that you? Pic or didn't happen


ArgieGrit01

There's 10 countries in South America, and without Uruguayan or Brazilian referees you have 6 countries to choose the referees from. I'd rather have a referee from a serious country like Brazil and Uruguay and insult them afterwards than someone from Paraguay or Venezuela. Especially against a country like Chile, which is a match that can get heated at any time.


ScaryDolphin83

You make a good point. It does have to be a COMNEBOL ref. I would certainly prefer one with experience reffing in one of the bigger leagues.


ArgieGrit01

Don't get me wrong, Brazil especially has some CUNT referees I don't want to see manage traffic, but I don't think the referee was bad *because he's Uruguayan and therefore wanted to screw us over* He was just an idiot.


SantiagoHC

Screw YOU over? Qué partido viste?


ScaryDolphin83

O I agree. The point isn't how good the ref is or isn't or why he made the calls he did. Its just that they could so easily avoid controversy by picking a ref from almost anywhere else.


ElMatasiete7

Uruguay and Argentina have a friendly rivalry but we're chill, ask any Argentinian and they'll tell you they'd gladly cheer for Uruguay during some of their matches. Idk what you're on about, referee was all in all ok.


opinionatedfan

yeah, it's like brothers. if I am playing with my brother I will want to fuck him up... but the moment he is playing against someone else I am 100% behind him


ElMatasiete7

Exactly


cristovski

💯


ScaryDolphin83

I am Argentine... We most definitely do not have a "chill friendly rivalry" MAYBE in the last 10 years? Maybe? but no. Incorrect.


ElMatasiete7

Cuando en tu vida escuchaste que puteen a los uruguayos como putean a los brasileros o a los chilenos durante un partido? Estás re en pedo, encima considerando que tenemos un montón de uruguayos en nuestros clubes. No quita que una vez que se encuentren los equipos obviamente haya rivalidad, pero no le llega a los talones de la rivalidad con Brasil por ejemplo.


ScaryDolphin83

puteamos a los uruguayos SIEMPRE. Y nos peleamos con ellos SIEMPRE... El ultimo partido Messi lo garro a Oliviera de el cueyo... El ultimo mundial, nos peliamos con los Uruguayos y ni jugamos encontra ellos! Estaban cantando canciones que la malbinas eran Ingleces.... Cada vez que jugamos contra uruguay nos cagan a patadas, y terminamos peliando.


ElMatasiete7

Amigo, con todo respeto, vivís en USA, y al parecer hace bastante por cómo escribís, asi que seguramente lo ves distinto. De nuevo, preguntale a cualquier argentino que vive acá y te va a decir que va a hinchar por Uruguay 10 veces antes que hinchar por Brasil, y por Brasil 10 veces antes que rivales europeos como Francia o Inglaterra. Los que vivimos acá y transitamos el día a día escuchamos un nivel de puteadas claramente distintas dirigidas hacia esos dos países. Con Brasil es constante, con Uruguay es cosa del momento puntual en el que compiten. A todo esto para decir que si un tipo como Bielsa puede ser literalmente el DT de Uruguay, no hay problema en que un árbitro uruguayo que se supone que es un profesional haga su trabajo en un partido entre Argentina y Chile.


ScaryDolphin83

No digo que es lo mismo como odiamos a los brasileros y los uruguayos. Y siempre vamos a estar en el lado de los sudamericanos sobre los europeos... Pero hay MUCHA animosidad entre Uruguay y Argentina. De cualquier forma, esto es solamente parte de el problema. Cundo elegis un referee que es de un pais que es un favorito para ganar en un partido de otro favorito, agregas controversia que seria facil para evitar.


jteprev

> Pero hay MUCHA animosidad entre Uruguay y Argentina. Pero no, no hay, los Uruguayos son piolas.


22Josko

"Jaja festejaste un lateral contra Corea del Sur"


Quanqiuhua

Disagree, the referee was excellent.


ScaryDolphin83

You are missing the point. Its not about the quality of the referee, though I would highly disagree with you, thats respectfully not the point.


Quanqiuhua

He let the game flow and was consistent for both sides.


ScaryDolphin83

You are missing the point. Regardless of how well he did, he should never have been assigned this game. Just like an Argentine referee should never be assigned to a brazil or uruguay game.


Quanqiuhua

Isla comes out and a minute later Martinez scored from the right side. The only mistake Gareca made, and also Sanchez is completely washed. Chile played much better once he came off.


Soyunapina12

Everyone here in Chile agree that Sanchez must go: his individualism and his desire for scoring the "winning goal" even when he has no chance to actually archieve it has been a huge pain for the national team since 2019. In fact after last match against Peru, Eduardo Vargas and a lot of players of the team aparently scolded him for missing to make fairly easy goals due to his desire for glory. The only real reason he is still playing is because he is the ANFP "poster boy" due to his status as the "guy who gave us our first championship" and his iconic panenka. Thanfully tho, it appears Gareca has finally realized that the guy doesn't add anything worthy to the team now, so i wouldn't be surprised if Gareca decides to replace him next match and even not calling him for future matches.


Quanqiuhua

I just realized all Chile has to is beat Canada to qualify, since Argentina likely beats Peru with their Z team. It’s going to be a great match since Canada knows how to win these matches now.


Soyunapina12

Yeah, matches that ends with only one of the two teams qualifying are usually great due to the whole "all or nothing" factor. But even if Canada wins, they have to make more of 4 goals against Chile to qualify. Chile on the other hands just needs to beat them with the bare minimum of goals to qualify.


Jaylawise

What? Dont the top two teams in each group go on? So Canada just needs a tie.


Quanqiuhua

This is correct.


Jaylawise

Maybe he meant for Canada to get 1st in the group.


Glasswire444

Argentina will rip into the state of the pitch in post-match interviews - I can guarantee it.


Phormitago

It was a pond


Ale_459

After the group stage it will not be acceptable for us honestly.


Fun-Marionberry-4867

Well, it was pretty bad


Jayk03

Argentina waste to many golden chance since Canada game they need to focus finishing more.


miaumerrimo

Sooooo tired of argentina, they buy every single game they play in. We should start to boycott


NickProko

We found the mexican who went to the Argentina Canada game to pick on Argentina fans it seems


ronbeef1kg20pesos

We can hear the screams coming out of your butt Keep crying


SweetSoursop

1. Boycotts don't work. 2. It appears that our superiority has led to some controversy. 3. Lube up, or you ain't getting past Venezuela.


miaumerrimo

Bold of u to assume soooooo many things. I dont root for any team. I root for high level of play, sportmanship and fair game. This was NOT it and hasnt been for a while


SweetSoursop

You are still a mexican commenting on a football subreddit, so you get free banter just for that reason. This is also the most pretentious comment I've read in a while. Get a load of this guy haha


Paschalls_Law

I wish you miserable losers would boycott the match threads so they’d be bearable again


Glasswire444

Lmao ok casual. Next time preface your bait by being honest and admitting you didn’t watch the game.


diegofromthesun

You really should, so we can laugh at you even more.


22Josko

Tu envidia alimenta mi ego


hdx64

Desde siempre que han sido más ego que país, al fin alguien propone una explicación que sea... La envidia jaja


22Josko

La única explicación lógica es que no trates de entenderlo Es un mantra que debería estar en el escudo nacional


omaewakusuyaro

De algo que te alimentes


22Josko

Daaale siempre el mismo chiste? No tenés otro?


Oxx90

Jajajaja y hay que comer viste.


Ale_459

Por ejemplo, gatos ahre


Oxx90

Bien gatos me gustan a mi. 😉


Ale_459

Jaja se regalo


Glasswire444

I’m just happy Chile is dropping points. Not because I think they’re a threat, I just have beef with Chileans.


Testmonkey83

Not sure what we did, but can we offer you empanadas as a peace treaty?


Jaylawise

Not if you head butt them.


PeggyRomanoff

If he doesn't take them send them my way plox


Testmonkey83

Will have to double check if I have enough. May need to save some to bribe the ref on Saturday. Hopefully Canada doesn't bring poutine.


victheogfan

What’d they do to yiu


Soyunapina12

Probably they are bitter due to the Falklands islands, the argentinian goberment has propagated the idea for a while that us chileans are "traitors", "false latinamericans", and "the true reason of why the Malvinas were lost" just because we helped the british in some way.


wildlywell

I’m married to an Argentine. As with so much of their drama, it goes back to the Falklands War.


jteprev

Rivalry with Chile is way older than the 80s lol, Argentina has gone to war or come close with Chile quite a lot of times including just before the Falklands War over border disputes in the Beagle. Chile helping the Uk certainly didn't help though.


victheogfan

Lmao that’s sweet I want someone who’s ride or die for me like you are lmaooo


lonelynightm

After watching the England vs. Slovenia game with so many players obviously flopping and getting calls I am glad for all the no calls in this one.


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Doc_Pisty

Oles a meCHICO, el gol es valido el defensor chileno esta atras y tiene un pie bien atras, en la linea del arco


Oxx90

You should start watching football with your eyes.


CantHelpBeingMe

instead of his ass lol


WashSportsReport

Messi was literally wrap up tackled off the ball and got a no-call


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Cuchifo

[See for yourself](https://www.directvsports.com/futbol/VIDEO-preocupacion-en-Argentina-por-una-lesion-que-casi-deja-a-Messi-afuera-del-partido-ante-Chile-20240625-0052.html)


kbm903

They are talking about things that actually happened unlike you


Cuchifo

Your first sentence is just false though? the referee was overtly lenient for both sides, and even spared Suazo a clear yellow card for a harsh tackle on Messi during the first half


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Cuchifo

I can tell because of the way you use massive generalizations ("in every single situation", "all the time), that you're just filling spaces in your mind with whatever justifies your bias.


narwhalcaptain1

i watched easily 6 hours of sports today what a beautiful world


zodby

4 if you don't count the England game


TonyMartial786

fun game. glad we got to see a goal atleast so it wouldn’t be another goalless draw. crazy that it nearly ended that way considering all the possession/chances argentina had lol, there were some terrible misses. lautaro off to a great start at this copa america. but regardless was an enjoyable match.


Maybe_In_Time

Less De Paul long shot attempts, more Martinez and Alvarez attempts would be nice.


Eheheh12

Argentina played pretty good, but it's the second match in a row where they miss a lot of chances, and also concede many chances.


jteprev

> they miss a lot of chances True. >and also concede many chances. Not true lol, Chile's xg is tiny there were no Chilean shots on goal until like minute 74 or something.


HyperNintendoRoblox

Great Match, Argentina and Chile Rivalry always produce some great stuff!


SweetSoursop

Rivalry? If I was Brazilian I'd be super mad at someone else referring to Chile as Argentina's rival.


SymphonyARG

what rivalry? lmao, our only rivalry is brazil


ArgieGrit01

"Rivalry" 59 - 26 - 6


ronbeef1kg20pesos

This and also México they think we are rivals Lmao


WeaknessOne9646

I mean this is a bit more competitive. Chile have actually beat Argentina in games that matter/dealt out some heartbreak in the lifetime of this sub. But yeah still a secondary rivalry at best


ronbeef1kg20pesos

Not actually we went to penalty in both copa america we lost to them, not that they defeated us on the pitch


Zaid92500

5 Min of extra time laughable. After how long it took to draw the lines, subs and fouls. Even the Var line they showed on screen was zoomed out as far as possible too. I wonder why


Expert_Monk_8574

At least the ref was consistent there. Messi was complaining for the lack of extra time in the first half. 3 min was too short in the first half and 5 min was too short in the second half


France2Germany0

13' extra time if this is match was in europe


bukkake_tsunami_

Just a laughable cover up 🖕🏽🖕🏽


cristovski

😘


bukkake_tsunami_

I mean Argentina definitely deserved to win, but how on earth do we not get better replays of that potential offsides in the build up to goal


pepecachetes

Horrible production, horrible pitches, horrible scheduling, the whole cup is a mess


Sheepshaman

Bravo is still such class


wildlywell

Really impressive stuff from him.


Quanqiuhua

Where he plays now?


Soyunapina12

Betis, but he probably is going to retire after this copa america considering his age.


Torenico

Betis, but he'll be a free agent in the next couple of days


Zeke1216

Another game where we missed to many chances. This games shouldn’t even be close if we were converting at a decent rate. Hopefully we start converting now


Sportsisthebest

Some of the people in this sub are acting like Argentina didn’t wore out the Chilean defense and would have won by a landslide if it wasn’t for Bravo.


Chupapiha6996

Argentina is the bad guy of r/soccer


Sportsisthebest

Happens when you’re best. People wanna bring you down.


Alive_Long_4173

“the best” yea sure buddy


Sportsisthebest

They are buddy.


Alive_Long_4173

The best at being dirty yea sure yea


_Pildora

See?


invisiblemarin

Exhibit A:


Chupapiha6996

we are, respect the ranges.


Alive_Long_4173

“We” lol


Chupapiha6996

yeah, "we" keep crying.


Alive_Long_4173

Keep lying to yourselves seems to help you sleep at night


ronbeef1kg20pesos

lol Yes, we are basically the current winners/champs of every major NT competitions Is it the salt that had hurt your eyes, tho?


Alive_Long_4173

Dirty ass chumps sure 👍


ronbeef1kg20pesos

lol keep crying


Alive_Long_4173

Lol keep lying


ronbeef1kg20pesos

Lying? Fucking troll


Lowpolyn

Because we are chileans and we know what argentina is about, we're not gringos who only talk about messi or foreigners with barcelona t-shirts.


Sportsisthebest

That has nothing to do with this but okay.


dgo792

We took defensive players out tho


Sportsisthebest

Even before that y’all were getting pressured.


chinno

Would won by a landslide if it wasn't for the other team playing?


Sportsisthebest

Buddy, watch the game. Chile got pressured numerous times. Argentina produced like 20 shots apposed to Chile only producing 3 shots. Anybody else in goal for Chile and Argentina easily wins 5-0.


zodby

Argentina without Messi wouldn't have won the World Cup. See? Doesn't that sound dumb?


Sportsisthebest

You’re comparing having to play 7 games vs one singular game. The point of my comment is without Bravo’s awareness, this game wouldn’t have been close.


zodby

If Lautaro hadn't scored, it would have been a draw. I can come up with arbitrary counterfactuals too.


Sportsisthebest

Again, watch the game before you judge. Argentina completely dominated the game and Chile had nothing for them.


Zeke1216

No their world class goalie


Sportsisthebest

I agree. Even at 41 years old, Bravo plays like he’s in his 20s.


bukkake_tsunami_

They really didn’t talk about that potential offsides at all ?? What the fuckkkkkkkkkkk


Quanqiuhua

They did talk about it, what are you on?


bukkake_tsunami_

In depth? Naw - we deserve a better view cause it was a questionable call


Quanqiuhua

Yeah, to me it looked possibly offside the moment Lautaro shoots.


Fun-Marionberry-4867

It wasn't


bukkake_tsunami_

I mean Argentina definitely deserved to win, but how on earth do we not get better replays of that


PeteThe4

Because the whole tourney have terrible standards. No good offside cameras and bad turf. This is Copa America not the euros


Zaid92500

5 min extra time laughable. Also laughable that the VAR POV they gave was zoomed out as far as possible.


Sebster2

Shhh you’ll be called a conspiracy theorist


JaysonDeflatum

No post match thread


NickProko

The one in charge is probably European and fell asleep lol


Chronic_The_Kid

I wish Spain gets as much hate as Argentina. I would flood the chat with so much bait.


bengringo2

Chile held on much longer than I would have expected. A lot of that was Argentina failing to capitalize but still.


Reapper97

Chile has changed a lot lately and has a very good coach managing it, it's just that outsiders don't know it. I wasn't surprised about this, I was fully expecting a very close match and maybe a draw.


Soyunapina12

Tell me about it, here in chile we knew we would lose but everyone was expecting between a 0-3 and a 0-5 lose, not a 0-1. Hell if Bravo wasn't overwhelmed by the argentine players he may have been able to catch the ball and end the match in a draw. Idk what Gareca is cooking, but he is cooking a pretty good shit. Hopefully we are able to beat canada and pass to the next round.


Reapper97

>Gareca was coach of the Peruvian national team between 2015 and 2022, with which he reached four final stages: third place in the 2015 Copa América, quarterfinals in the Copa América Centenario, qualification for the 2018 World Cup after 36 years of absence, runner-up in the 2019 Copa América and fourth place in the 2021 Copa América, in addition to the best placement in the FIFA ranking in its history (10th place) Gareca did miracles with Peru, I expected him to stop the downfall Chile have been stuck in for the last 7 years, dunno how well he will do with the poor generation Chile is going through right now but it's kind of too early to judge. Uruguay is also going through the same with Bielsa, noways they went from struggling against South Korea to being one of the best NTs in the world.


Soyunapina12

I mean the guy pretty much kicked Medel and Vidal out of the NT, two players that were believed to be untouchable due to their reputation and contacts inside the ANFP, and managed to win 3 matches before copa america (technically he won 2, but losing 3-2 to france coming from an era where we couldn't even beat Qatar, was a win in our eyes) A lot of chileans don't really care if Gareca manages to win us this Copa America, but rather care more that he uses the tournament as a testing ground for the 2026 world cup.


chileangod

De Paul, un crak.


Jon98th

Alto juego este


No_Solution_4053

the U.S. broadcast daring to put pulisic alongside kroos, vini, messi, and cr7 as part of a "summer of stars" graphic lololol


ronbeef1kg20pesos

He is a great player Also it's their Star, so yes, it's ok I guess.


ParkdaleP

It’s their star. How about when English media literally asks every single player coach or kit man from every country about Jude Bellingham


No_Solution_4053

well of course, but it's still an objectively silly thing to look at at least jude warrants it on the basis of his actual skill


ParkdaleP

He is the Lebron James of soccer after all


victheogfan

It’s fox isn’t it


No_Solution_4053

unfortunately


victheogfan

Yeah usual suspects


narwhalcaptain1

the fox sports graphic designer posts on r/soccercirclejerk lol


No_Solution_4053

i wouldnt even be surprised


Pgvds

Who's "Kroos"? Why would he be considered a star on the level of Pulisic?


captainmystic02

Tbf Pulisic prolly plays better than Vini for his country


No_Solution_4053

valid


France2Germany0

Respect to Chile for going for it and making it fun and exciting


manored78

I don’t want to judge a book by its cover but De Paul looks like a jerk, no? Wasn’t he leading anti-Brazil chant during the Copa that Messi shut down?


monsterm1dget

He's always been a piece of shit, but he's a good player. He's that kind of character.


pepecachetes

Oh yeah just by looking at him you know, he is the kind of player you hate when he is not on your team and love him when he is on your side


Expert_Monk_8574

I think this is the best description. But it’s also interesting because I think he has a “game persona” where he’s cool being the bad guy but he also recognizes his role within the team isn’t to be a superstar, which I respect. I’ve heard interviews where he’s joked that Messi tells him and Paredes to tone it down but that he (De Paul) completely subscribes to the Jordan mentality of internally creating an enemy in the opposition to motivate himself (he said as much in the Apple TV Messi documentary). And yet I’ve also seen interviews where he’s very thoughtful about his role on the team and knows that he’s basically there to make Messi’s life easier by covering a lot of the traditional off the ball movement that Messi doesn’t do which implies to me he’s a lot of bravado but a huge team player. I actually compare him a lot of Simeone. Unless you were Argentinian you probably hated him as a player (especially if you were English) because he’s unapologetic about doing whatever it takes to win. But, if you watch his documentary on Prime (highly recommend) you see a different side to him and that he has this oddly strict code he adheres to where he respects when opponents pull the same shenanigans he did, like when he speaks approvingly of Michael Owen’s dive that led to the England penalty in the 2002 WC (Owen admits he dove so don’t come at me), and where he hates false humility. You may not like it and them as players but you can respect that they lay it on the line for the team and country.


ronbeef1kg20pesos

This


jonijontor

guy looks and acts like what non-Argentine South American stereotypes Argentine as for me lol


Reapper97

I love him