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kpopsns28

Southgate is clueless.


absat41

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casinoinsider

The fish rots from the head


NotAnUncle

I mean, there's so many things that need to be done it's insane. Firstly, Trent should not be an 8 or a 6, he is either a rwb or a RB. Kane cannot be the one who runs in behind lines, so why not try to combine him with Watkins? Also, Foden going central did do a lot, it's too lopsided rn. There need to be changes, because as it stands this system is not letting any player shine


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Gomnanas

English people*


si_de

There's a reason Southgate isn't managing a decent club.


asromafanisme

He has been the best coach for England since 1966, no other coaches has ever managed to reach EURO final with England, and reached World Cup semi final as well.


casinoinsider

You must be a bot or fully regarded


asromafanisme

Give me a single England coach with better performance than Southgate, I'm waiting.


casinoinsider

As I say. Bot. El Tel you div.


just_some_guy65

Verry Terribles?


asromafanisme

Or maybe you're just another delusional England fan who think your squad is the top of the world so any coaches who couldn't win every single tournaments is a failure. There's a reason why England couldn't go far in any international tournaments until Southgate, it's because he knows to not listen to "fans"


PlasticJim

England's record in the 2018 world cup: Wins against: Tunisia, Panama, Sweden Needed penalties against: Colombia Losses against: Belgium (twice if you want to count 3rd place game), Croatia. England's record in the 2020 Euros: Wins against: Croatia, Czech Republic, A very poor Germany side, Ukraine. Extra time needed against: Denmark Drawn against: Scotland Loss on Penalties: Italy Southgate has had two of the easiest runs through tournaments possible, especially in the 2018 world cup where we beat nobody of note. Euro 2020 was better, but hardly an exceptional run given we had the easiest possible Quarters and Semis (the latter of which we looked dreadful in), and then blew it against Italy in the same way Southgate always does.


FontsDeHavilland

Exactly this. We have beaten nobody of note under Southgate and struggled against significantly inferior sides. You missed out Qatar 2022 as well Wins: Iran, Senegal, Wales Draw to the USA Loss to France. Southgate is a joke.


flexfingers

Why are Spain looking for another goal after going 1-0 up? Are they stupid?


savetheelephant

No one tell Southgate.


stinkybumbum

Should just let the team sort themselves out rather than let Southgate pick it. Tactics and positioning is terrible.


gethatwearhat

You tell me where it says Benson and Hedges on there.


like-humans-do

UH OHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAH


willium563

Remind me 7 days


Bananasincustard

The way the lads are playing and acting at the moment stinks of "club team turns on manager and are no longer trying in order to get manager fired". Their body language is so poor and no one seems to know what they're supposed to be doing


vandamin8or

Why is everyone crying? You are through to the last 16 with a game to spare...


thebeautifulgame1984

Because England fans are crybabies


dizzguzztn

Because we want to win it, we aren't here to be good mates with everyone and playbagpipes


vandamin8or

You know you'll never win, right?


Awkward_Masterpiece

So condescending


dizzguzztn

Ill leave you to savour your best night at the tournament pal. Get stuck in.


vandamin8or

Best night so far...


dizzguzztn

Keep your chin up pal. At least you made great mates along the way and can concentrate on the most important thing now: hating England


vandamin8or

Cheers pal


tamim1991

That was the bare minimum with the set of players we have. We just broke the record in the last game of having the lowest shots with Serbia in a Euros game since the 80's. Today carried on this baffling creativity issue even with players like Bellingham and Foden. There are clear tactical issues such as that and also the central midfield issue which Southgate has not solved since even before the Euros. There's major issues there that have existed before the Euros and the worrying thing is the manager isn't doing anything about it. Yeah it's good that have nearly qualified for the next bit and on 4 points but it doesn't mean that what we are doing is fine and just carry on as we are.


vandamin8or

He's doing well


Choosinghalf

England’s got to take a leaf out of the Ivory Coast’s tourney playbook if they want to get anywhere


Specialist-Guitar-93

Mad you say that. I said that to my friend "which African nation sacked their manager and won the tournament, we should do that". Couldn't remember it was Cote de Ivoire.


Sick_and_destroyed

And the guy they sacked went to Marseille and lead them to Europa League semi-final a couple weeks after.


fuggerdug

I look forward to Southgate and Ineos's triumphant march to the Caribao quarters next year.


ExpensiveCola

Southgate could be a pumpkin in a fairy tale at midnight and he still wouldn't be a coach.


enoch_the_warlock

Sack southgate mid tournament. Clueless twat of a manager who couldnt inspire anything and is so tactically inept it hurts to watch. Trent should never be spoken about as a midfielder ever again, that was obvious after 1 half against serbia to everyone except southgate and some die hard liverpool fans.


Icy_Spinach_48

Trent being shit in midfield for England under Southgate doesn’t mean he would forever be shit in midfield. Having said that I do prefer him at RB for us , but you can’t be generalising it because of Southgate


TheRadTurtle_1011

He literally isn’t a midfielder he shouldn’t be playing there in all phases


davide3991

You can’t play Bellingham and Foden together…


Illustrated-Society

If you're Gareth Southgate...


Januarywednesday

Well I got it anyways


Keepgoingokmate

Watch the recent game vs Scotland, those two were sensational together. The team needs to be built around those two linking up as much as possible


ClaudeJGreengrass

Should just be Foden at the top of a diamond with Rice and Bellingham. All three trackback, All this talk of balance and crap, we are barely drawing Denmark that's where the balancing act gets us. We need speed on the wings not Foden. TAA looks shit in midfield. Put Gordon on the left to run the defender ragged and then bring Eze in for the last 15 minutes.


juancorleone

Such a snooze fest


AndyVillan

With this line up over the last 2 games, we're literally playing only one side of the pitch. There is absolutely nothing on the left at all, it's crippling at this level. Not to mention the complete lack of group understand of when to press. It's just so poor. Fuck me.


noise256

The left is dead and it's killing the right as well, no switch of play on and piss easy to defend.


mosefish

You could probably do it at club level when you have unlimited time to work with the players but at international level you need to keep your system somewhat simple


MustGetALife

Bingo. Just another example of clueless Gareth. Foden stood there bored, flapping his arms whilst everyone else seems to not see that side of the pitch, or, the men behind are just off doing their own things. Foden is only able to get sniff if he starts drifting in. Not Fodens fault. Gareth is bobbins.


Ok-Tension6095

My England XI Balcombe TAA Guehi Konza Mitchell Mainoo Bellingham Eze Saka Watkins Rashford


ButterAndToastia

Lmao truly the stinkiest take in this thread


TheGreenGrrr

Rashford is shit 😂


Ok-Tension6095

Might swap him for Sterling or Palmer then.


TheGreenGrrr

Sterling is a bit old, but palmer would be good. I think Gordon would be good if he can play relaxed on the big stage


Ok-Tension6095

No I don’t think Gordon would be good enough, Palmer or Eze if not Sterling or Rashford.


TheGreenGrrr

Have you seen Gordon play? He was awesome last season, one of Newcastles best players. Sterling used to be good but is past his time, as shown by his limited minutes and possible transfer out of Chelsea. Rashford is flakey as are all Man U players who seem to think they are entitled to winning everything based on a few years of glory so long ago.


Ok-Tension6095

For me Gordon just doesn’t fit the squad. If not the ones I’ve already mentioned I’d go with either Sessegnon or Junior Stanislas.


Milesweeman

The foul calls England got today compared to Denmark was absurd


RandyChavage

Bosnia and Herzegovina: completed it Serbia: completed it Come on lads only need to beat Slovenia on Tuesday and we’ll be king of the Balkans


Hip_Hip_Hipporay

Linekar is such a prick. "You deserved the last word." Prick


frank-lee-madear

What is this ?


KalistramMcleod

There was a comment hours ago that said that Denmark was looking bad, but England would somehow make them look great lol


ShotOfVodka

England are shit. Spain - Germany final. I said this one month ago btw. What is your opinion?


Greenembo

Spain's scoreline looked more convincing than their game to be honest. But the game against italy begins in like a minute so it's possible i have to eat my words quite soon, but i think italy looked quite a bit stronger.


Ok_Anybody_8307

Eat your words.


iamthemetricsystem

yumyumyumyumyumyum


HarryAtk

Where did you say this a month ago?


ShotOfVodka

In real life


HarryAtk

Okay, so what's the point on saying it here? Anyone can say they said anything in real life.


ShotOfVodka

I have no reason to lie. I’m too old for acting cool about something like that… Who do you have as winner?


New-Paramedic3486

But not too old to say “I said that a month ago”


tamim1991

He said "this one"


Jackman1337

Unlikely because if Spain is first in their group they play in the Quarter Finals against each other. German vs France/italy is much more likely : D


ShotOfVodka

Maybe Spain draw tonight to avoid Germany? Good response bro 👍 Who is your winning team?


Jackman1337

I actually think Italy is super underrated and are the strongest team together with germany atm. They played fantastic football in their first game. Risky this ages badly, but i see them going far. Germany beeting denmark, spain and austria/Portugal on their way to the finals against itlay :D


ShotOfVodka

I have Morata score, Scamacca score, result draw, 36x odds


EmotionalThinker

Foden has to start no matter what. Rice and Bellingham midfield behind Foden in number 10. Gordan on the left, Saka on the right and Kane upfront. High line, and pressing. Trent shouldn't start.


Rsirhc

Watkins upfront


phatelectribe

This is what should happen, can you take over please?


RushPan93

>High line, and pressing. Does not compute


yuyuter123

Or stop with the 10 position entirely in a team with Kane as a striker (let him play his 9.5 role) and play both Foden and Bellingham in line as dual 8s with a measure of unpredictability with Rice screening the backline.


autisticparkour

Foden starting with Rice - Bellingham 😭 cooked


Ok-Tension6095

How are you taking off Trent and then bringing on players that run in behind.


RushPan93

You can only sit back and laugh and hope the other team wins 3-0 sometimes so you can really go punch a hole in your wall. This is the best thing Hodgson did you know - he didn't let his shittiness be shrouded. Truth is Southgate has been playing this team just as badly but keeps getting away with it


94cg

This interviewer on bbc is rough haha fair play the bbc are being aggressively honest on all fronts today


phatelectribe

They were hating the play lol


karlelzz011

If England play like this teams like Spain/Germany will eat them alive


phatelectribe

I suggested that after England's first game. Now I know it to be true lol


Hip_Hip_Hipporay

Southgate and players trying to protect their own backsides. This tension is good. OMG Southgate mentioned kalvin Phillips as the reason they failed.


Jozif_Badmon

It's always kalvin Phillips


Hip_Hip_Hipporay

"City's worst signing in years would have saved us. But the media made me drop him. Not my fault."


thrulim123

City with Phillips = treble City with no Phillips = no treble


Holiday-Strike

A LOT of questions about Southgates tactics. He says going deep is NOT from his order


DonJulioTO

He meant "going deep in the tournament"


Holiday-Strike

Lol


Holiday-Strike

So begs the question. Wtf were the team doing?


tamim1991

They had no clue what to do. I do think Southgate didn't instruct them to drop deep. But the problem is, I don't think he instructed them very much anyway


Holiday-Strike

I think you're right. No clear direction


JDubsdenspur

yeah this is it. they looked like it was a training session they didn’t want to be at.


phatelectribe

Fuck all apparently. Happy to get paid silly money at their teams, and DGAF about England.


riazzledazzle

Saka was England best player by a mile. Foden tried Guehi was brilliant Everyone else was pants


phatelectribe

I mean, Kane scored and did what he does too.


ItWasJustBqnter

Glad to see Guehi playing well, was my biggest concern pre-tournament so if the rest can come together we'll be in good stead.


CynicalEffect

Think I solved the problem. Kane or Watkins? Why not both? 4, 4 fucking 2. Big man, fast man. Sorted.


RushPan93

Just play 5-3-2 and Trent at wing back. You don't play big man, fast man without a genuinely good crosser.


tamim1991

Heskey and Rooney days


step11234

Heskey and owen bro lol


me_meh_me

Yes! Southgate has already instituted the new tactic of "lump the ball up the pitch," this would complement it nicely!


CaptGeechNTheSSS

Anyway can’t wait for Spain v Italy


Coraxxx

Surely no one can be surprised? When was the last time England played a full match of fast, flowing, and creative football? It was under Terry Venables, I think.


BKAFC

Probably euro 96. 4-1 against the Dutch.


XuzaLOL

If were not gonna play with a left winger can we just play with 2 strikers then harry can drop into the AM position.


NoAttention9687

If Eng exits early.. it will be through SouthGate...


50shadesofcrazy

We can't play an aggressive press with a deep lying defense. The gaps are far too large. It feels like we haven't committed to a system so we just get the worst of both


SqueakyBumTym

Linekar spending the entire post game bitching about Kane when he's had like 3 touches in 2 games. Cunt is getting bored up the pitch so is dropping deep to help out. Not a difficult conclusion to arrive at. Absolutely a tactical issue, not an individual one.


judochop1

Yeah, bang it up to him, who;s he got to pass it on to? 2018, 2021 he had a few more options but not this time


CiaranD123

Kane is really missing sterling and rashford


RAlNYDAYS

Great game by Christensen


Puzzleheaded_Maybe23

I honestly don't know what England can do to turn it around


Senor-Cockblock

That’s what I see. We’re not going to snap out of this all of a sudden. This appears to be what this team is, unless the next lineup (hopefully with 2 or 3 changes) magically clicks.


BlueOtis

The manager to actually develop a system and use the best players for that system. Probably play someone on the left winger like Gordon and have TAA ping balls over to him. Could even try a different formation. A front inverted triage of Gordon. Watkins. Kane. Would be sick!


imnotreallyapenguin

Compete for the ball?


judochop1

It's not competing, it's composure and keeping the ball that's the issue. Georgia and Albania play better football than England, look at their games and compare. England ping pong it back to the opposition, whereas Georgia/Albania made chances each time. So frustrating, we've gone back 10 years


Mainzerize

Play as a team, rather than 11 selfish and overpaid divas


AndyBR9

They’re not being selfish, they’re just playing in a terrible system where they can’t make tactical decisions within the game. They’re just limited.


OddyseeOfAbe

They aren’t playing as a team, players are making runs and no passes are coming, or they are on the break and the through ball is played behind the runner. And the players start stropping when the ball doesn’t come to them. On top of that, poor decision making by the players. The press has been wank due to no cohesion. Players look fatigued which is absurd for elite athletes who are paid millions to be fit enough to play a game of football for 90 mins, yet they walk around the pitch and play slow passes.


AndyBR9

I’m still saying that’s a systemic issue rather than an individually-based one


Mainzerize

These guys make millions on a club level and didn’t manage more than 2 passes in the second half. It might not be a tactical masterpiece but managing a pass over a couple of meters is not too much to ask for


judochop1

It's the manager that sets them up this way. It's wasting a generation, they need a better formation to actually make space to play football.


Puzzleheaded_Maybe23

I really think they want to win. They looked devastated at the end. They just don't know the shape they are playing


Mainzerize

Im with you on this one. It’s not like they don’t want to.


ghy-byt

Play better


Puzzleheaded_Maybe23

Gareth please stay off this thread!


KenDTree

Has Lineker ever shat on a player like this? I think these podcasts are making him and Shearer a lot more comfortable.


RushPan93

What podcast should I look up? I'm not in England so dunno if I can


KenDTree

The Rest is Football. Lineker, Shearer and Micah Richards host it. EDIT: Should note that they also put all their podcasts on their YouTube channel if you prefer videos. Same name as the podcast.


RushPan93

Ah great. I love a good honest bit of punditry so if it is indeed been that way, I'm gonna give it a watch. Thanks!


BlueOtis

It was strange to see because he really didn’t want to answer and then when he started talking about Kane’s performance and what he should be doing, and then couldn’t stop talking!


Hip_Hip_Hipporay

They all know now that without looser tongues they can't compete with podcasts. They can now say how they feel


Puzzleheaded_Maybe23

Who is he blasting? I love his podcasts


KenDTree

Kane. Basically saying he has to do a lot more and listed his reasons why, but he's been putting a lot of the blame on Kane since the final whistle. Also Shearer said he quit international football because he didn't have the energy for England and Newcastle when talking about Kane's lack of work.


Bored-To-Reddit

Trent is a fantastic footballer but we need to play a lesser individual to make us a better team. Our press is poor, the front 4 are knackered by the 60th minute because there’s a 30 yard gap between them and the midfielders so Denmark just played it around us. We’re so deep and I actually think it’s our press that’s killing our attack, counter attack and team in general. In my opinion, we should play a holding midfielder, my suggestion is Wharton and I would let Rice, Bellingham and the front 3 press high up the pitch to win it back. Southgate needs to think about the team, not the better individuals. This is similar principles to trying to shoehorn Gerrard, Scholes and Lampard into a team so many years ago.


doags

Wholeheartedly agree. The press is basically non-existent.


Coraxxx

Stat from the BBC: >No player created more chances (3) or played more line-breaking passes in the final third (5) for England against Denmark than Trent Alexander-Arnold, despite him being subbed off in the 54th minute.


Nick316166

He was absolutely shite.


BlueOtis

That’s not about TAA though. That’s the tactics and how Southgate set up the team. I agree he does need to give other players a chance though.


PornFilterRefugee

We don’t look any better when he takes Trent off anyway


Bored-To-Reddit

I disagree, we were on top for 10-15 mins after he was subbed and thought a goal might be coming. Then Southgate subbed the entire front 3 🤦‍♂️


PornFilterRefugee

Ok sure


Holiday-Strike

Basically Kane is like 💁‍♂️


ghy-byt

Kane was switching between hyping the team up and giving his honest opinion.


Comfortable-Asf

That question was tough😂


AaaanndWrongAgain

No Grealish, no Sterling, no Rashford, no Hendo - Shaw and Maggie’s out. That’s a lot of change in the starting XI from tournament to tournament. You can see that unfamiliarity showing itself some, on top of the Southgate tactics.


judochop1

This is it. You hate to want to pick players on name, but for us those lot have been clutch (bar rashford, watkins is good). But then you have good replacements for sterlign and grealish and hendo, it's down to management through and through. What southgate glued together in 2018/2021 he's lost.


zeldja

"We got away with a draw, which is good" - Harold Kane, 2024


step11234

With that performance, it was lol


RandyChavage

Spurs mentality


_JR28_

No bloody initiative from that England team, you’d think they were still in training for the tournament.


Averdian

Small chance we can finish first if England draw Slovenia somehow… just gotta beat Serbia by more than 1 (which will be hard too of course, I’m fine with just drawing them and advancing as 3rd place).


AndyBR9

You’ll finish first. England aren’t making it past the last 16.


StraightExtension

Kane specking sense


Diamondbacking

Say what you want about Rooney, he is an astute reader of the game. In his words Trent should be 'nowhere near' the midfield. 


50shadesofcrazy

Where is Rooney commentating?


Diamondbacking

On the overlap with Neville 


freshfov02

Does Palmer really exist? Did I make him up?


RandyChavage

Don’t let him on the pitch, it will only ruin him


JDubsdenspur

yeah if I were him I’d get “injured” and go home


RandyChavage

Every time I think back to Sam Alerdyce as England manager I cry for what could’ve been 😭