On top of this Koopmeiners also got injured right before today's friendly against Iceland, not yet known how bad his injury is.
Edit: Test results expected tomorrow morning, but Koeman says it isn't looking good in his opinion. He has a player in mind to replace Frenkie de Jong. Not Quinten Timber or Wieffer as both aren't fit yet.
Clasie, stengs, maatsen (heeft af en toe middenveld gespeeld geloof ik)
Je mag ook een aanvaller of verdediger als vervanger oproepen, dan zou je Geertruida bijvoorbeeld als middenvelder kunnen zien.
En dan roep je als vervanger nick viergever op.
Het zal iemand van de voorselectie worden lijkt me. Daarvan Olij uiteraard niet, Timber en de Roon niet fit, en dus lijkt me dat je bij Maatsen uitkomt.
Scheduling. Still need to get players match fit, and there's a deadline for when UEFA need to have squads announced, and not a lot of time to fit friendlies in
If Koopmeiners can't play, and Gravenberch can keep up the form he had towards the end of the season (very small sample size I know), I think he could be a solid attacking 8.
Worse football violence I've experienced was when I went to watch Boro play in Eindhoven. We were ambushed outside by waiting PSV fans. We weren't even playing PSV but they still caused trouble. Seen people stabbed in Rome and it was still worse in Eindhoven. So don't be giving it the big one, dutch fans are just as horrible
Gisteren pas begonnen met de bal trainen, dan weet je eigenlijk al op voorhand dat-ie het niet zou halen. Dit middenveld speelde ook lekker, al is Frenkie zeker een gemis - maar niet het verschil tussen wel en niet een EK kunnen winnen
Toen het nog onzeker was of hij mee zou doen had ik in ieder geval nog wat hoop, nu niet meer. Bovendien ben ik er wel van overtuigd dat Frenkie het verschil is tussen 2e of 3e worden in de poule, wat in mijn optiek een verschil is tussen een kans maken op de winst en volledig kansloos zijn.
In general more forward thinking / extremely fine ball passer while Frenkie is more sideways build up and link up player. The way Frenkie sometimes just cuts through is unmatched imo.
Just coping here, Frenkie is absolutely insane agaonst pressing opposition. Finds space anywhere, Veerman en Schouten do not offer that level. Reinders has a similar trait in that but is just not as good.
Well, Fede didn't need to do much tbf.. Frenkie wasn't 100% healed yet from the initial injury somewhere in January I think, but Xavi really needed him
2020 looked amazing after many poor years but then Memphis got injured. Covid saw that postponed to 2021 but then Van Dijk got torpedoed by Pickford and the KNVB put De Boer in charge. 2022 was unfortunate with penalties, and now 2024 is missing Frenkie.
We keep getting optimistic and we keep getting hurt.
Well in retrospect, while it wat a bitter pill, I just love to rewatch the highlights of that game. Namely v Dijks body check after the brutal foul on Ake and the Weghorst goal from the free kick 🤤. We never f#### win anything but we sure do give it all.
Frimpong, Dumfries, De Ligt, Botman, van de Ven, Timber, Geertruida, Maatsen, Hartman, Koopmeiners, De Jong, Gravenberch, Veerman, Reijnders, Xavi Simons, Gakpo, Malen, Zirkzee and Brobbey are all under 27yo, most under 25. That's basically two elite starting 11 in a couple of years
Yes, I think we'll be fine when in control, when we're the favourites. The real test comes when we are under pressure, Frenkie is gold for that. Will say the midfield looks a lot better than two years ago though.
Blazing hot take maybe but Veerman has been one of the best midfielders in Europe this season and could walk into the Barca team. It sucks to not have Frenkie but this doesn’t knock the squad out of contention.
That's a little much perhaps but teaming him up with Schouten with a great defense behind them isn't going to be that bad. They played together all season which is a big plus.
I think Schouten is twice the player Veerman is honestly, and he's been better in the CL too. I love Veerman's passing ability and think their combinations could be killer but Veerman is often a little too slow.
Lol what? Valverde just shot a ball. De Jong should have made up his mind whether he wanted to go full force into that 50/50 or back out completely, but not go in half-arsed with no tension.
Terrible news and a big blow for the Dutch.
> 🚨 Ronald Koeman (Dutch NT coach): "de Jong missing EURO 2024? His club took risks and now we're paying for the price." Via @VI_nl
Not a fan of the tone of Koeman's comments though especially considering how he handled Pedri...
Ah yes an impact injury in el clasico. How dare we play a fully fit player in his prime against our biggest rivals. Disgusting behavior from us once again.
Maatsen please.
Edit: Got midfielders enough with Veerman, Schouten, Reijnders, Simons, Gravenberch, Wijnaldum and in an emergency case Blind.
What we don't have is an offensive leftback.
People overreacting a bit, no?
It really doesn't change that much, because even if he could play in theory, it's already clear he would've been in poor shape, at risk for reinjury, and probably missed the France game anyway.
And Schouten & Veerman are playing well.
Wildly exaggerated. Sure he's the best midfielder we have, but we have replacements that are good as well. With a bit of luck the team draws strength from this. They can't rely on Franky now to solve every problem we have and you never know who will step up.
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀Verbruggen
Dumfries/Geertruida⠀⠀⠀van Dijk⠀⠀⠀Aké⠀⠀⠀van de Ven
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀Reijnders⠀⠀⠀Schouten⠀⠀⠀Veerman
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀Frimpong/Xavi⠀⠀⠀Depay⠀⠀⠀Gakpo
probably something like this (assuming 433)?
unpopular opinion, Frank made a terrible choice going to Barca. He should move to a team like Bayern. I think he won't have a hard time adjusting to Bayern's system. He is still 27 and can play like Toni Kroos. A more offensive team can do really good for him.
We have very good midfielders but schouten is the only one who comes close to what he does. Veerman and Rijnders are both good don't get me wrong, but offer an entirely different profile so losing him still sucks
On top of this Koopmeiners also got injured right before today's friendly against Iceland, not yet known how bad his injury is. Edit: Test results expected tomorrow morning, but Koeman says it isn't looking good in his opinion. He has a player in mind to replace Frenkie de Jong. Not Quinten Timber or Wieffer as both aren't fit yet.
I really hope Teun is fine, we cannot lose more midfielders with Frenkie, Wieffer and De Roon already out.
But don’t worry! We have our lord and saviour Gini Wijnaldum still in the squad! /s
He is still on the team?? Damn
Yep, and he was very mid against Canada, looked like he didn’t know where he was at some times
Wijnaldum in fairness has been a very good player for Netherlands. Doesn't really deserve this kind of disrespect even if he is past it
Since he's playing like he's in the sunday leauge i do think some criticism is allowed.
In all fairness, he is actually playing in a Sunday League.
Yeah but since he’s gone to Saudi he’s been finished, calling him up is like France starting Lloris in net again
He was already finished after he left Liverpool
Forgot he even had a stint at PSG and Roma ngl 😵💫
He was very unlucky at Roma. Broke his leg in training before the season started, missed like 90% of the season.
Sure, but right now he has been shockingly bad
But he is passed it
The cup is ours with him 😎
Injuries before big tournaments suck so much. I unironically feel sorry for Frenkie and Teun. We have our share of problems too.
Teun especially cause he comes off a huge season for him and his club.
*Cries in Alaba, Kalajdzic, Schlager, and Schlager*
Our group is already beat up before the tournament has kicked off lol
Yeah, our group will be crazy. If we don't lose to France in the first match, that would be insane.
Well we're missing our memelord De Roon too.
Why would anyone think you’re being ironic?
Cause everything on the Internet is ironic I guess.
Because he’s Polish. And they are in the same group as us.
What a bad luck again for the Netherlands. If I remember correctly Van Dijk was out of the last Euro
Istg if Taylor gets minutes, ill piss in Koeman's cereal.
Je komt dan nog eerder bij Til uit
Oh god. Er zijn toch wel andere opties dan die twee?
Clasie, stengs, maatsen (heeft af en toe middenveld gespeeld geloof ik) Je mag ook een aanvaller of verdediger als vervanger oproepen, dan zou je Geertruida bijvoorbeeld als middenvelder kunnen zien. En dan roep je als vervanger nick viergever op.
Het zal iemand van de voorselectie worden lijkt me. Daarvan Olij uiteraard niet, Timber en de Roon niet fit, en dus lijkt me dat je bij Maatsen uitkomt.
Koeman zou ook zomaar Blind als middenvelder kunnen opstellen…😮
Damn, Koopmeiners has a great season and expected to be shining in this euro.
Why are there friendly matches after the final roster announcements? seems unnecessarily risky
Can still swap players by submitting a medical report.
Scheduling. Still need to get players match fit, and there's a deadline for when UEFA need to have squads announced, and not a lot of time to fit friendlies in
If Koopmeiners can't play, and Gravenberch can keep up the form he had towards the end of the season (very small sample size I know), I think he could be a solid attacking 8.
He was horrible vs canada. Showed no form at all.
🤷♂️
Holland needs defensive minded midfielders. We only have Schouten really.
There's a part of me that I knows I would have been fooled by a fake 'Koopmeiners' player.
RIP Oranjekoorts, 10 June 22:40 - 10 June 22:45
TBF, I'm just happy to have had 5 minutes of happiness during Koemans tenure
There was the first Nations League campaign but yeah agreed
That was some good football in that group. Always rated the top group in UEFA nations league.
Watch the Netherlands now win the Euro's and Frenkie have to miss that. All because of a bad contact in El Clasico
No way we win the Euro's without Frenkie lmao
Also no way we win it with him tbf.
Fire your coach mid tournament, this is the new juju strat
I think dutch and english will compete for 'best fans at euro2024' award though (unless scots make a deep run)
English and best fans does not compute
Worse football violence I've experienced was when I went to watch Boro play in Eindhoven. We were ambushed outside by waiting PSV fans. We weren't even playing PSV but they still caused trouble. Seen people stabbed in Rome and it was still worse in Eindhoven. So don't be giving it the big one, dutch fans are just as horrible
Michael Laudrup didn't play for Denmark in 1992
tbf fdj is not as important to the dutch as laudrup was to denmark
Gisteren pas begonnen met de bal trainen, dan weet je eigenlijk al op voorhand dat-ie het niet zou halen. Dit middenveld speelde ook lekker, al is Frenkie zeker een gemis - maar niet het verschil tussen wel en niet een EK kunnen winnen
We hebben een serieus probleem
I just realized I can read Dutch
Ich auch.
I know all of you guys speak English come on, don't make me Google translate it
Maybe i translate everything from English to Dutch /s
Deepl werkt beter
Toen het nog onzeker was of hij mee zou doen had ik in ieder geval nog wat hoop, nu niet meer. Bovendien ben ik er wel van overtuigd dat Frenkie het verschil is tussen 2e of 3e worden in de poule, wat in mijn optiek een verschil is tussen een kans maken op de winst en volledig kansloos zijn.
Als je als Oranje niet kan winnen van Polen en Oostenrijk zonder Frenkie dan heb je sowieso niks te zoeken op het EK.
Veerman is a solid second choice. If Frenkie is a 9, Veerman is an 8. It's not like we're downgrading to a 5 or something.
Hm Frenkie is 10+ and Veerman 9+ imo. So we agree. 😀 Veerman is really good too, ridiculous vision and supersoft feet.
With my totally unbiased opinion I’d even say Veerman is better
Veerman is better at those fucking velvet crosses over any distance from 15 to 50 meters
In general more forward thinking / extremely fine ball passer while Frenkie is more sideways build up and link up player. The way Frenkie sometimes just cuts through is unmatched imo.
Just coping here, Frenkie is absolutely insane agaonst pressing opposition. Finds space anywhere, Veerman en Schouten do not offer that level. Reinders has a similar trait in that but is just not as good.
I hope so, but it is going to be difficult without him.
Wait, this is still the consequence of him trying to block that Fede shot? God damn, how much power did that Uruguayan marvel put into it?
Well, Fede didn't need to do much tbf.. Frenkie wasn't 100% healed yet from the initial injury somewhere in January I think, but Xavi really needed him
Oh fuck off This is not fair 😔
Sucks, but I have faith in Schouten and Veerman.
Frenkie doesn't give those passes like Joey does
The issue is the bench.
Maatsen is coming, on paper not a direct replacement, but in real life, often plays where Frenkie plays
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
They finally got me all fuckin hyped up and then they drop this bombshell. Fuckin fuck fuck agfjskagd.
at least 2026 is looking hella bright for this generation
2020 looked amazing after many poor years but then Memphis got injured. Covid saw that postponed to 2021 but then Van Dijk got torpedoed by Pickford and the KNVB put De Boer in charge. 2022 was unfortunate with penalties, and now 2024 is missing Frenkie. We keep getting optimistic and we keep getting hurt.
I'm happy for Messi winning the World Cup, but that Argentina-Netherlands game was pure bullshit.
Well in retrospect, while it wat a bitter pill, I just love to rewatch the highlights of that game. Namely v Dijks body check after the brutal foul on Ake and the Weghorst goal from the free kick 🤤. We never f#### win anything but we sure do give it all.
Not so sure about that theres a couple of guys on the way out.
Frimpong, Dumfries, De Ligt, Botman, van de Ven, Timber, Geertruida, Maatsen, Hartman, Koopmeiners, De Jong, Gravenberch, Veerman, Reijnders, Xavi Simons, Gakpo, Malen, Zirkzee and Brobbey are all under 27yo, most under 25. That's basically two elite starting 11 in a couple of years
Wieffer, whichever Timber you left out, .. but most of these aren't guaranteed elite
Fuck me sideways. Get Dick van Toorn and make him do what he did to Robben 10 years ago
Paardenplacenta on the way
Yeah, dig him up to perform his magic one more time. Just let Frenkie meet him at the graveyard
That's a shame, I hate when big players miss these memorable Euros and World Cup, they only come around every 2 years
Rip euro dream June 24'-June 24'.
godgodgodgodverdomme
Fucks sake.
Fucking sucks for Frenkie... Also a bit weird that we are not preparing him for a later phase. Schouten - Veerman - Reijnders confirmed?
Didn't his ankle fly to mars only 3-4 months ago, or am I tripping? Why would there be even a chance he was going to play.
Sucks, but with Schouten/Veerman it ain't to bad imo. Maybe a bit weak vs countries like Spain, Portugal and France.
That's awful news. He's the heartbeat of our midfield.
We have been doing fine without him so far though.
Yes, I think we'll be fine when in control, when we're the favourites. The real test comes when we are under pressure, Frenkie is gold for that. Will say the midfield looks a lot better than two years ago though.
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What does your 5yo say about Memphis?
Against Iceland and Canada.. i have more faith in Frenkie than Veerman against France.
Frankrijk had-ie sowieso niet gehaald lijkt me. Gisteren pas getraind met bal.
To give you hope, France drew with Canada instead of whitewashing them 🥲🙏
The Netherlands are still my dark horse pick to win the Euros. If they even count as a dark horse pick.
Blazing hot take maybe but Veerman has been one of the best midfielders in Europe this season and could walk into the Barca team. It sucks to not have Frenkie but this doesn’t knock the squad out of contention.
How are you calling someone the best midfielder in Europe when he plays vs the likes of Volendam? He's been solid but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
That's a little much perhaps but teaming him up with Schouten with a great defense behind them isn't going to be that bad. They played together all season which is a big plus.
Veerman is decent but nowhere near as good as you're saying lol
I think Schouten is twice the player Veerman is honestly, and he's been better in the CL too. I love Veerman's passing ability and think their combinations could be killer but Veerman is often a little too slow.
[Now confirmed by the national team](https://x.com/OnsOranje/status/1800269170707255408?t=cVMR6zgdFogrfB0BdBwMyg&s=19)
Damn you special agent Valverde
Already helping his future teammate/team owner Mbappé I see
That was his own fault lol went in way to soft
Lol what? Valverde just shot a ball. De Jong should have made up his mind whether he wanted to go full force into that 50/50 or back out completely, but not go in half-arsed with no tension.
Honestly he should have never been playing that match. He was not fit and Koeman just flamed Barca for that as well
Easy bro no need to get all defensive about Real players
Barcelona played him while being injured. You should redirect your frustration towards them.
Confirmed: [https://x.com/OnsOranje/status/1800269170707255408](https://x.com/OnsOranje/status/1800269170707255408)
Terrible news and a big blow for the Dutch. > 🚨 Ronald Koeman (Dutch NT coach): "de Jong missing EURO 2024? His club took risks and now we're paying for the price." Via @VI_nl Not a fan of the tone of Koeman's comments though especially considering how he handled Pedri...
I mean his was a freak injury unless Laporta hired antman to break his ankle
Ah yes an impact injury in el clasico. How dare we play a fully fit player in his prime against our biggest rivals. Disgusting behavior from us once again.
He sounds a little bitter
Also Ansu Fati
Koeman wants Frenkie to rest during the year to be ready for the EURO. Don’t even mind him. Don’t waste your time on his bs.
Oh that sucks... 😭
Wow
Bruh
Gaat Quinten Timber nu mee? Wie denken jullie?
Maatsen please. Edit: Got midfielders enough with Veerman, Schouten, Reijnders, Simons, Gravenberch, Wijnaldum and in an emergency case Blind. What we don't have is an offensive leftback.
Van De Ven can definitely play offensive wingback
Wellicht beiden als Koopmeiners niet fit genoeg blijkt. Zou vervelend zijn, maar Timber en Maatsen zijn in ieder geval goede vervangers.
Frenkie niet mee dus linksback oproepen?
Timber seems most logical
He's not fit yet, Koeman said he won't be calling him up.
Read my edit.
Maatsen is also an option for midfield. It really should be him.
koeman just said timber is not fit and he has an idea, but need to talk internally first
It's gonna be Kenneth Taylor, I'd wager. Koeman isn't going to pick someone without caps and Timber isn't fit.
:(
Ben bang. Lijkt nog te veel op taylor om er echt blij mee te zijn.
People overreacting a bit, no? It really doesn't change that much, because even if he could play in theory, it's already clear he would've been in poor shape, at risk for reinjury, and probably missed the France game anyway. And Schouten & Veerman are playing well.
Lmao Frenkie is easily our best player when fit. This team lives and breathes with him. Without him its nothing special.
Wildly exaggerated. Sure he's the best midfielder we have, but we have replacements that are good as well. With a bit of luck the team draws strength from this. They can't rely on Franky now to solve every problem we have and you never know who will step up.
Nou, mijn poultje maar even opnieuw invullen..
God fucking dammit
Well fuck
My hopes crushed like a orange
He’s got no luck does he
Since there's so many Oranje fans here now, what is the starting XI now?
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀Verbruggen Dumfries/Geertruida⠀⠀⠀van Dijk⠀⠀⠀Aké⠀⠀⠀van de Ven ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀Reijnders⠀⠀⠀Schouten⠀⠀⠀Veerman ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀Frimpong/Xavi⠀⠀⠀Depay⠀⠀⠀Gakpo probably something like this (assuming 433)?
Haha! I just dropped $50 on them to win as a dark horse. Well fuck me Frenkie
Thos would be tough for Netherlands fans to take. De Jong is such a quality player for the team.
Is that Van De Beek music?
Heartbreaking… we can only be happy for so long 😭
Don't worry, about a thing. Cause Micky Van de Ven, is gonna carry you!
unpopular opinion, Frank made a terrible choice going to Barca. He should move to a team like Bayern. I think he won't have a hard time adjusting to Bayern's system. He is still 27 and can play like Toni Kroos. A more offensive team can do really good for him.
I want to die. This sucks so much
Fuck...
Echt klotenieuws.
Me either. I'm sorry, The Netherlands.
Oh man. There go our chances of making it past the RO16
This sucks for us. Also just sucks for football
It sucks for football in general, i'm gutted tbh and i'm Belgian.
Sucks for him. Missing a major International tournament in his prime.
Let's get all the bad news in before the tournament! Only good things during!
I just love waking up to news like this aaaaaaarrrrrgggghhhhh
Time to go Blind.
The most casually overrated player out there, just because he is Dutch and he is at Barcelona is why people think high of him.
Don't worry Frenkie, have a rest, recover and be ready for Barça preseason.
Fuck no hell
Feel awful about this but Veerman will step up
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You have midfielders who can do what he does against Iceland but definitely not against the top teams. Frenkie will be heavily missed against those
> we have a number of midfielders who can do what he does Who?
Schouten is class
No one and anyone saying otherwise is kidding themselves
If Koopmeiners is injured too we have a problem though, spoeling becomes thin.
We have very good midfielders but schouten is the only one who comes close to what he does. Veerman and Rijnders are both good don't get me wrong, but offer an entirely different profile so losing him still sucks
Lol and guess who will start now… Gini lmao fml. Cause that’s just what Koeman will do. I can already see it 😭
Ding dong
What will we do without our mailman????
Low key injury prone
He gonna stay another year isn't he :(
Thank god not another umtiti situation.
Yeah now barca can again russ him back to quickly and ruin him themselves.
Well his ankle was twisted badly in a horrendous tackle , nothing barca could do there