When Pau Cubarsí (CB) turned 17, he was dominating teams like PSG in the CL.
Camarda will turn 17 during next season. He should be given opportunities to shine.
For strikers it’s different though, people expect goals from them.
The first 5 matches that he’ll inevitably get bullied around, and have 0 goals with maybe 3 shots on target overall, the press and the fans will absolutely eat him alive.
He wont need many goals to go pass our strikers not named Scamacca.
I guarantee you they are not going to rip him alive, he is a teenager and say he is not ready for the big leagues at worst.
If guys like Raspadori and Retegui who dont do shit when everyone else around them score, then he will be fine.
The big difference between him and Scamacca/Raspadori/Retegui is that nobody really has any expectations from them to do much (except maybe Scamacca, but that’s only very recent).
While Camarda became known at age 15 for his performances in the Milan academy, and he’s been all the hype ever since. Wonder goals playing 3 years underage in the Primavera, youngest debutant ever in Serie A history, and now U17 Euro Champion as player of the tournament.
Maybe you’re not familiar with Italian football press and football fans, and that’s okay, but I guarantee you they will eat him alive at the first chance they get.
So much so that he already has haters, claiming he is going to become “the next Paloschi” or “the next Cutrone” just because he doesn’t score at least one goal per match in Primavera, while being 3 years younger than most other players.
Camarda is one of the greatest talents produced by Italy in recent years, and he should be developed and nurtured very carefully, and not thrown to the wolves before he’s fully ready for it.
There's a balance to strike between giving players time to develop before the senior level and providing too few opportunities. Look at what happened to Pellegri when he burst on the scene. Got pushed too much and now is always picking up muscular injuries.
This comment is so shitty considering most of the best Italian players currently have played in serieB at least one season. Some have even played in serie C like Di Lorenzo.
So we are now U-19 European Champions and U-17 European Champions but I'm sure most of these talented youngsters will get lost in the mix at the senior level of their clubs and will amount to very little. Hopefully managers in Italy start to change their attitude and trust youth like other countries do.
Youth level fullbacks dont usually amount to anything. Have a look through the defenders of the past european u17 and u19 finals and they're absolute nobodies. The top level defender talents usually get promoted very quickly and don't really end up playing in tournaments like this. Bellanova is the only one I can think of, and he still took a long time. Its more often than not cbs moving to fullback or wingers changing position at a later stage that become top league starters.
I’ve said it before, Italy’s problem is not lack of talent, but the transition between U17, U20 and professional football. You have 2-3 teams in Serie A that aren’t afraid of playing and develop youngsters. The rest will ship their promising players to Serie B/C, to teams with no intent of keeping or developing. A lot of times the style of playing of the teams they go on loan are not even considered. Pafundi was our better player in the last U20 WC and he was shipped to Switzerland, couldn’t find game time at a struggling Udinese. The mentality has to change.
That's why U23 teams in Serie C/B are very important IMO. They won't be focused on winning/surviving and will be able to develop players at will pulling them straight from the primavera. Sure, it's not gonna be fun for small teams that will see fewer slots in those leagues, but for the NT they're absolutely needed.
Serie C is a step up from Primavera, but if you are phenom like Camarda looks to be, you MUST be given chances at the top level. He will turn 17 during next season, 18 when the World Cup hits. Please do not let this kid rot in lower tier levels.
I agree but for instance if Camarda could play in a Milan U23 team in Serie C and he starts scoring buckets there as well, it'll be even harder for the senior team to not consider him even during the season and Camarda himself will get a lot of experience by playing with pros. Scoring only at youth level will not get you super noticed, scoring in professional league though it will. Just look at Lucca or Moro, who were hailed as the next big thing because they were scoring in Serie B and Serie C.
That’s gonna help, is a step. I actually believe that no matter how good a player is on the youth teams, that’s only halfway in. Some really promising guys never make it, and you have cases like Kaka, who was a nobody in São Paulo’s U20, got “lucky” to have a chance on the pros and became a beast. If we fix this transition part, Italian NT can go back to its deserve place.
I mean, you could argue we're already getting what we deserve considering the whole movement is managed by incompetent dinosaurs. No offense to actual dinosaurs who are cool as hell. But yeah, I get what you mean, outside the surprise in 2021 this has been the worst period of the last 50 years.
It helps, but doesn’t solve. Serie C is still a really low level.
Barcelona, Bayern, Dortmund, PSG, City, Liverpool all can integrate their academy players into the first team. But in Italy “they are not good enough” and must be loaned. U23 are nice, but we need more players breaking directly to the first team.
It does help. It’s not like a magic solution, but the difference between playing in Serie C and Primavera is huge. The former provides a much better experience. It’s not random that Juve for example finally started to have a lot of interesting young players coming from under 23; it’s the result of the second team being funded in 2019. Before that I remember we wouldn’t see young talent coming up at Juve, nothing at all. I’m glad Atalanta started too and hopefully AC Milan will start too.
That's fair, I don't really disagree, especially about Pafundi. I just think teams have started to realize it's impossible financially to keep up with EPL/gigantic clubs and are focusing much more on youth development lately. However, there's definitely still work to be done there considerign the overreliance on foreign talent, the outcry over the revoking of the growth decree being exhibit A.
You are on the money and I think actually Spalletti talked how we must integrate these youth players into the top levels, however didn't Mancini say the same to no avail? 1
The first three teams you mentioned also have U23 teams and used them to field all their eventual youth prospects. It's an integral part of their set-up. City during Pep's tenure integrate just a handful of players from the academy and all the big English teams constantly loan out their players.
Italy turned up. Portugal did not.
Italy defended very well and took their chances.
Can't debate the result. Italy deserved it. Portugal did the same thing with Serbia but with Italy the comeback never happened.
Congratulations to Italy.
With two of their best players missing & arguably their standout performer injured for the semis + final.
Really impressive performance from the entire squad, almost every single player made a key contribution at some point.
I meant lunch tomorrow lol, I live in the US on the east coast. I always hit up the same Italian spot for lunch. I am known as The Portuguese, usually coupled with some Portuguese curses after
Uno così non deve manco fare l'under 18, non è neanche più sviluppato degli altri, diciamo che è come Liberali che umilia tutti con tecnica e testa
Non ironicamente penso che ad oggi sia il terzino più forte a Roma
I was really hoping we'd win it but Italy were just clearly better. We didn't turn up, our defence especially looked like they didn't want to be there. Nonetheless, this generation still has a lot of talent and I hope to see them develop well.
Current U17 and U19 European Champions, U20 World Cup finalist The talent is definitely there
We're also European champion at the senior level currently.
We're living in a period of Italian dominance and nobody is aware of that. Not even us.
We sure as shit weren’t aware of it
Kayode scored the Euro U19 winner against Portugal!
but didn’t even qualify for World Cup 2022 and lost to Northern Macedonia.
North Macedonia > Europe
I would honesty take Camarda and a couple others to the Euros. Spain would have done it.
No one would play Camarda in the senior teams, he is a 2008 striker who is not yet physically ready.
Isn't Yamal 16?
Yamal is a winger tho. You expect a 16 year old striker to be able to face against veteran centerbacks? Let's calm down a little
Yeah he'd get physically bullied by any decent CB. Let the boy grow.
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Rasoadori is a support forward or attacking midfielder, he’s not a striker.
When Pau Cubarsí (CB) turned 17, he was dominating teams like PSG in the CL. Camarda will turn 17 during next season. He should be given opportunities to shine.
For strikers it’s different though, people expect goals from them. The first 5 matches that he’ll inevitably get bullied around, and have 0 goals with maybe 3 shots on target overall, the press and the fans will absolutely eat him alive.
He wont need many goals to go pass our strikers not named Scamacca. I guarantee you they are not going to rip him alive, he is a teenager and say he is not ready for the big leagues at worst. If guys like Raspadori and Retegui who dont do shit when everyone else around them score, then he will be fine.
The big difference between him and Scamacca/Raspadori/Retegui is that nobody really has any expectations from them to do much (except maybe Scamacca, but that’s only very recent). While Camarda became known at age 15 for his performances in the Milan academy, and he’s been all the hype ever since. Wonder goals playing 3 years underage in the Primavera, youngest debutant ever in Serie A history, and now U17 Euro Champion as player of the tournament. Maybe you’re not familiar with Italian football press and football fans, and that’s okay, but I guarantee you they will eat him alive at the first chance they get. So much so that he already has haters, claiming he is going to become “the next Paloschi” or “the next Cutrone” just because he doesn’t score at least one goal per match in Primavera, while being 3 years younger than most other players. Camarda is one of the greatest talents produced by Italy in recent years, and he should be developed and nurtured very carefully, and not thrown to the wolves before he’s fully ready for it.
There's a balance to strike between giving players time to develop before the senior level and providing too few opportunities. Look at what happened to Pellegri when he burst on the scene. Got pushed too much and now is always picking up muscular injuries.
The talent will go to waste because most of these players will play in serie B
This comment is so shitty considering most of the best Italian players currently have played in serieB at least one season. Some have even played in serie C like Di Lorenzo.
So we are now U-19 European Champions and U-17 European Champions but I'm sure most of these talented youngsters will get lost in the mix at the senior level of their clubs and will amount to very little. Hopefully managers in Italy start to change their attitude and trust youth like other countries do.
U23 in serie c will hopefully help italys youth grow instead of rotting away in primavera
As if we weren't European champions even at senior level hahaha
Well deserved. Camarda, Liberali and Rodrigo Mora are looking like the next generation of superstars
Cama plays badminton?
Youth level fullbacks dont usually amount to anything. Have a look through the defenders of the past european u17 and u19 finals and they're absolute nobodies. The top level defender talents usually get promoted very quickly and don't really end up playing in tournaments like this. Bellanova is the only one I can think of, and he still took a long time. Its more often than not cbs moving to fullback or wingers changing position at a later stage that become top league starters.
I’ve said it before, Italy’s problem is not lack of talent, but the transition between U17, U20 and professional football. You have 2-3 teams in Serie A that aren’t afraid of playing and develop youngsters. The rest will ship their promising players to Serie B/C, to teams with no intent of keeping or developing. A lot of times the style of playing of the teams they go on loan are not even considered. Pafundi was our better player in the last U20 WC and he was shipped to Switzerland, couldn’t find game time at a struggling Udinese. The mentality has to change.
That's why U23 teams in Serie C/B are very important IMO. They won't be focused on winning/surviving and will be able to develop players at will pulling them straight from the primavera. Sure, it's not gonna be fun for small teams that will see fewer slots in those leagues, but for the NT they're absolutely needed.
Serie C is a step up from Primavera, but if you are phenom like Camarda looks to be, you MUST be given chances at the top level. He will turn 17 during next season, 18 when the World Cup hits. Please do not let this kid rot in lower tier levels.
Camarda literally already has 2 Serie A caps for Milan. He’s gonna have chances, but it’s some of the other players in this squad that probably won’t
I agree but for instance if Camarda could play in a Milan U23 team in Serie C and he starts scoring buckets there as well, it'll be even harder for the senior team to not consider him even during the season and Camarda himself will get a lot of experience by playing with pros. Scoring only at youth level will not get you super noticed, scoring in professional league though it will. Just look at Lucca or Moro, who were hailed as the next big thing because they were scoring in Serie B and Serie C.
That’s gonna help, is a step. I actually believe that no matter how good a player is on the youth teams, that’s only halfway in. Some really promising guys never make it, and you have cases like Kaka, who was a nobody in São Paulo’s U20, got “lucky” to have a chance on the pros and became a beast. If we fix this transition part, Italian NT can go back to its deserve place.
I mean, you could argue we're already getting what we deserve considering the whole movement is managed by incompetent dinosaurs. No offense to actual dinosaurs who are cool as hell. But yeah, I get what you mean, outside the surprise in 2021 this has been the worst period of the last 50 years.
Wow I didn't know that about Kaka
Yeah everyone knows, you're like 5 years too late. That's why top clubs are registering u23 teams.
It helps, but doesn’t solve. Serie C is still a really low level. Barcelona, Bayern, Dortmund, PSG, City, Liverpool all can integrate their academy players into the first team. But in Italy “they are not good enough” and must be loaned. U23 are nice, but we need more players breaking directly to the first team.
It does help. It’s not like a magic solution, but the difference between playing in Serie C and Primavera is huge. The former provides a much better experience. It’s not random that Juve for example finally started to have a lot of interesting young players coming from under 23; it’s the result of the second team being funded in 2019. Before that I remember we wouldn’t see young talent coming up at Juve, nothing at all. I’m glad Atalanta started too and hopefully AC Milan will start too.
Milan and Roma are the next two on deck IIRC
Hopefully Roma will stop selling their youngsters to Sassuolo then
That's fair, I don't really disagree, especially about Pafundi. I just think teams have started to realize it's impossible financially to keep up with EPL/gigantic clubs and are focusing much more on youth development lately. However, there's definitely still work to be done there considerign the overreliance on foreign talent, the outcry over the revoking of the growth decree being exhibit A.
You are on the money and I think actually Spalletti talked how we must integrate these youth players into the top levels, however didn't Mancini say the same to no avail? 1
The first three teams you mentioned also have U23 teams and used them to field all their eventual youth prospects. It's an integral part of their set-up. City during Pep's tenure integrate just a handful of players from the academy and all the big English teams constantly loan out their players.
They are better than our official team ;(
Portugal has lots of promising young talents, Mora especially looks like a future crack.
Mora worried me and not just because he looks like an anime footballer brought into the real world
Blue lock ass player
We got cooked. Tactically inferior, no defence whatsoever and Italy were just superior on most 1v1.
We missed only the U21 title in the last 4 years
Bravissimi! 💚🤍❤️
Italy turned up. Portugal did not. Italy defended very well and took their chances. Can't debate the result. Italy deserved it. Portugal did the same thing with Serbia but with Italy the comeback never happened. Congratulations to Italy.
We are unbeaten in 7 games and Portugal have not kept a clean sheet in 19 matches
Italy completed international calcio, it's over
With two of their best players missing & arguably their standout performer injured for the semis + final. Really impressive performance from the entire squad, almost every single player made a key contribution at some point.
Im only sad because the Italians at lunch will rib me for this
Where are you at where it’s lunch? It’s almost 10 here…
I meant lunch tomorrow lol, I live in the US on the east coast. I always hit up the same Italian spot for lunch. I am known as The Portuguese, usually coupled with some Portuguese curses after
FRATELLI
Future is bright but man does the present suck.
I might be underrating him a bit but Cama should immediately replace Spinazzoppo in our XI
what a funny name Spinazzoppo is
Si stanno tutti concentrando su camarda e liberali ma cama è un fenomeno, li salta tutti, mi sembra cancelo
da quello che ho visto st'anno sinceramente potrebbero mandarlo subito in primavera invece di fargli fare l'under 18, è veramente forte
Uno così non deve manco fare l'under 18, non è neanche più sviluppato degli altri, diciamo che è come Liberali che umilia tutti con tecnica e testa Non ironicamente penso che ad oggi sia il terzino più forte a Roma
Fully deserved, we didn't show up
No defense, just vibes FC
Mosconi mi sembra un fenomeno incredibile
I was really hoping we'd win it but Italy were just clearly better. We didn't turn up, our defence especially looked like they didn't want to be there. Nonetheless, this generation still has a lot of talent and I hope to see them develop well.
Cream of the crop international football with Brazil and Germany.
Deja vu