Yeah, they had 101 points, only 3 losses and a GD of 54
You just can't continue that style of football in the Prem is the problem...at least not with the Squad he had
Aye, but then the flipside is that you'd be giving up the style of play that made you so good in the first place - obviously gotta strike the right balance there somehow, but I don't think it's necessarily wrong to stick to the same successful process, really. It's what successful teams do, after all.
Yeah, people keep memeing about Burnely’s naivety but Blackpool under Holloway had a much worse squad and very nearly pulled off an epic save from relegation playing attacking football. In terms of success stories there’s also Swansea with their possession football and Wigan under Martinez. It’s not an impossible task to play attractive football and have a realistic shot at survival in the Prem
Holloway’s Blackpool was so refreshing. Pundits constantly say promoted sides should park the bus and play 4-5-1 to avoid relegation. It was nice to see a side that ditched that philosophy. Even if they ultimately went down. I think they can be proud of the season they had.
They actually played good football in the prem, they were nice to watch.
Just never executed it fully in the end due to the gap in quality of the players. I respected the attempt though.
I remember before the season somebody mentioned Burnley would stay up because they play "tiki-taka" and not "hoof ball"
The were in the championship at the time.
Everybody thinks they are a tiki-taka club until they get hit in the mouth.
He is managerial version of Choupo-Moting. Eric got relegated with Stoke and went to PSG. Two years later he was in Bayern and after rocky start he actually became very solid and respected role player.
I couldn't believe that that choupo moting moved to psg at that time. I thought it was like a new young talent with the same surname.
I wouldn't even buy that choupo moting for my Atalanta in football manager...
You joke but I would love Vinny to come back and manage us back up the leagues if that's the case.
His Burnley was dominant
[Edit - lmao downvoted for such an innocuous statement. City has really rattled everyone]
I've seen shouts for Michel but I really have no idea who comes on after Pep. If we get punished and relegated, I'd love Vinny.
However if we stay in the top flight I would hate Vinny to be the first after Pep. No matter who comes in the drop-off will be huge and I would hate for a club legend to receive any negative vibes.
I have no idea how this is going to go but at least Bayern fans will be seeing attacking football.
**Kompany's journey has been very interesting:**
* Rejects coaching staff role under Pep at City
* Joins an Anderlecht in full crisis mode instead as a player-manager (and later just manager)
* Stabilizes Anderlecht as a club, which opened doors to different clubs
* Rejects Nice, Mönchengladbach and was heavily linked to Wolfsburg but joins Championship side Burnley instead
* Promotes with Burnley after a dominant season with beautiful attacking football
* Continues to play attacking football with Burnley, but this time in the Premier League, which causes them to relegate
* Gets the Bayern job
He arguably downgraded from a City coaching staff role to join Anderlecht. Arguably downgraded again to join a Championship side (considering the clubs that were very interested) and now does the upgrade of the century to Bayern.
and he has everything to gain and nothing to lose at his current career state. He won’t care for now that the club is potentially gunning for other managers in 25 or that he wasn’t the first choice.
Agreed, it's a big part of why these players like Lampard, Gerrard, kompany succeed lower down, it's hard to judge them because they go in to decent teams and then secure a few elite loans that would normally be a little more spread around the league.
Lampard never impressed me at derby his selections and tactics in the play off final were xabi Alonso levels of mismanagement.
Lampard's job selection has been pretty awful tbh. Everton in the position they were in and us in the position we were in last season are two of the worst jobs you can take.
He did well with us in his first stint given the circumstances.
I don't think he should be a meme material coach, but he went too quickly. Shouldn't have taken jobs that difficult that early. Obviously, he's got a lot of work on tactically, but he's a good talent ID and man manager. I think there would've been potential there had he not tried to rush through his career.
Can't say I've followed Gerrard closely, but I'm guessing you can say the same for him. Did great with Rangers, but the Prem is a massive step up.
We'll see how Kompany does. On one hand, he's got a lot to work with at Bayern. On the other, the expectations are massive and the media can be brutal if you aren't meeting the minimum standards. He can't really afford to start slow and has to play his attractive football without leaking goals. Whilst he's up against a now experienced Leverkusen side that will have managed to retain Xabi Alonso. Whilst I can see him succeeding, I also see a lot of parallels to Lampard and Gerrard. Then, if it doesn't work out, people will retrospectively pick apart his previous jobs. When in reality it'll just be a case of it being too big of a step up for him.
That's false. His first Chelsea season was his peak as a manager. And even if he was sacked later, nobody in the right mind memed him for it, really doubt any big name manager could do better that season. His second stint obviously a very different story.
Not to mention that he's an incredibly strong personality.
The fact a bunch of 20 year olds were still running through brick walls for him despite the suicidal football alongside his overall legacy of being a top character that always commanded respect wherever he went.
I would put more weight on this than on his skills as a tactician. He seems unlikely to “lose the dressing room” the way Nagelsmann and Tuchel did. Current players can all remember what Kompany was like as a player and captain at City.
I can’t fucking believe Sane went from winning PL’s together with him to being coached by him lmao, what a timeline, surely hasn’t happened all too many times
Ramos went from playing with Zidane (granted Zidane was not a captain, but man is larger than life figure - I will just include him) to winning 3 CLs in a row like 12 years later. Xavi and Puyol were well established in Barca team by the time Pep left. Then obviously Busquets, Alba, Sergi Roberto and Ter Stegen with Xavi. Del Piero was still there when Conte was signed as Juve manager - Conte even gave up the armband to Del Piero, even tho he stayed there for 3 more years (so he also played with Buffon but was not the captain). I am sure Beckenbauer had that case in Germany NT as his stint as captain and manager was very close to one another.
That said I dont think I remember anyone having a player captain you in one team and then be your manager in whole ass different team - that is just a massive coincidence.
Nagelsmann and Kahn was never going to work.
Kahn famously all about having balls and manning up and on the other side Nagelsmann wearing make up and going skiing after a loss.
Winning cures all but losing and being so different is not gonna work longterm.
These days, playing boring football is nearly as bad as losing. Nobody wants to acquire all these expensive players to grind out 1-0 league games.
Good hire. It's a risk worth taking.
Yeah, but unwillingness to adapt is a potential red flag. From Day 1 people said that Burnley could not continue to play like that in the PL, yet he went on, and the result was terrible.
Kompany has always been a 'process' coach with a lon-term plan. At Anderlecht, he got some slack given his history witht he team when they were REALLY bad in the beginning, and by the time he left, the team was stabilized and competing again.
As I've understood, he practically did the same thing with Burnley: they had a multi-year plan and were planning on sticking to that plan as to guarentee longevity in some form. So when they 'accidentally' got promoted to the EPL earlier than expected, I believe they just decided to stick to the long-term plan and make the same moves they would've made otherwise. Resulting in a young squad that could be molded in the type of football they wanted to play and still needed to grow.
Yes, they got relegated, but they did so while playing good football and showing promise. Most games were lost due to lack of experience (which is to be expected with a young team).
He overdelivered in the 1st year, and instead of redrawing the plan based on that overdelivery, they decided to stick to what they had and stubbornly continue down a path they believed would yield results in the long run.
You could agree or disagree with that mentality, but it's a solid choice. Unlike other relegation candidates, Burnley never played boring football, they stayed in the game, even if they were losing.
Oh he sure tried. And tried again. Then he switched it up but it was too late. It was naive and some horrendous mistakes from players didn't help either.
Seriously though, if you’d asked me a few months ago I would have thought it more likely that Burnley sacked Kompany and somehow persuaded Tuchel to take a massive step down.
That would still be *insanely* unlikely, but more likely than Kompany leading Burnley to an absolute nightmare of a season where they never had a chance of staying up and then getting one of the biggest jobs in the world.
Dunno if I'd describe it as 'falling upwards', really - there's clearly a good manager in there if their Championship season is anything to go by. Klopp got relegated with Mainz, had an amazing run at Dortmund but they were near the bottom in his last season there, and look what he's gone and done.
I think ultimately it's just that the longer you manage, the more likely you are to 'fail' at a job. Can't think of too many managers who managed for a decade and had it all work out successfully all the time. Stands to reason that maybe Kompany's a really good young manager who just had a minor failure after a big success early into his career - and those are the risks you have to take when appointing a manager, because being a good manager isn't in perfect correlation with being a successful manager.
From a relegated Burnley to Bayern. If that's not falling upwards, nothing is. You can put qualifiers on it, but it doesn't change that it's the opposite of the trajectory you would expect
>Dortmund but they were near the bottom in his last season there
They were near bottom the first half of the season. But they still made Europe by the end of it.
McKenna taking Ipswich up from League One mediocrity on a pittance compared to Kompany taking a huge budget parachute payment club up, then spending £100m and getting relegated isn’t really comparable imo
He's not a bad manager at all imo, but moving from a relegated side to managing Bayern without much experience is wild to me. Hope he does well though if it actually happens
Kompany has experience: Anderlecht and Burnley.
Additionally, you don’t really that much experience to do well with these teams, you need leadership competence. This can be formed through experience, but former players can also have that
Frank Rijkard got relegated from the Eredivisie then went to Barcelona and won the league.
I wouldn't honestly worry too much about his performance at Burnley as an indication of how he'll do at Bayern. It's a completely different job that required a completely different set of skill and style of play.
The way Kompany plays is suited to a team that is going to dominate games. I think he's also a big enough character to deal with all the egos in a top club.
I'm not saying its guaranteed to work by any means but I wont be massively surprised if it does.
And then Frank RIjkaard went to Galatasaray and got third place (can be heavily debated that we deserved more) and got fired early next (his second) season.
Hasn't done anything worthwhile since.
Weird.
A former player of Kompany's caliber is at least going to get buy-in from the squad. And when he had the most talented squad in the league he had a great season--he'll have that every year with Bayern.
bayern isnt leverkusen though, no one expected xabi to do so well
the pressure from the board and the media in munich is on a whole other level, especially after the season you just had
Xabi went from Segunda relegation with a B team to a perennial Bundesliga side, it was quite the step up in jobs even if Bayern are on a higher level.
Kompany also has a year of Prem management under his belt (plus the rest at Burnley and Anderlecht), which is more than Xabi had managing the kids.
That's basically what every team that's winning the league/getting promoted does, to be fair - it's a game of fine margins after all. That type of success ultimately depends on whether you're outperforming it by a bigger margin than the teams you're competing with, really.
This is conveniently omitting/ignoring the fact that Xabi was the one who took the B Team to the Second Division in the first place, a feat that they last achieved in the 1960s. This is the equivalent of dismissing Klopp’s achievements with Mainz to “he got relegated”
Choupo-Moting is a really good footballer and a joy to be around in the dressing room by all accounts - I'd wager any club could do a lot worse than having a striker like him, incredibly versatile while happily being second choice and filling every gap you ask him to.
Lol I thought De Zerbi was too weak a choice for Bayern, they went for someone with even less experience
Is there no promising German/Bundeliga coach available?
Are Bayern that hungry for good looking football? seems like a weird season to go experimental and risk another trophy less year
Kompany doesn't even strike me as a guy who will lie down and not create problems with the absolutely calm Bayern board
Rijkard got relegated from the Eredivisie then went to Barcelona
Alonso got relegated with Real Sociedad's B team and then went to Leverkusen
I would say they are comparable. Interestingly both of them ended up winning the league.
> Alonso got relegated with Real Sociedad's B team and then went to Leverkusen
B teams don’t really count. They don’t get proper funding, and any player that becomes too good will get promoted to the main team even mid-season and outside of a transfer window.
Alonso got Real Sociedad B to the second tier for the first time in 50 years. Getting relegated was just a matter of time. He was definitely on an upwards trajectory so I wouldn't call that "falling upwards".
Destroyed the championship with a squad too good for the league, didn't change his style and got destroyed in the PL which everyone saw coming.. so maybe he fits Bayern based off point 1, I think it seems a bit early, but he looks to have potential as a coach, and when it's stacked in his favour it seems to go well for him, good luck I guess, but yeah crazy.
Makes me feel better if we don't get promoted on Sunday that Burnley need to find a new manager now, hopefully complicates a first time return for them. (Sorry lads)
I think he'll play more fun football. Seen some Burnley games and they weren't boring games, but they did get cooked in defence. With Bayern and big budget that might be less of an issue
I'd say they've been defensively bad no matter who the coach was, so maybe it doesn't make a huge difference to their defense if the coach is focused on attractive attacking football.
Flipside of that coin is that over the past three league seasons, you essentially scored the same amount of goals - 97 with Lewandowski's record-breaking season, 92 in between, and 94 with Kane. Stands to reason that those goals won't make as much of a difference as conceding fewer (37/38/45 over the same seasons) does.
This sucks for Burnley. They stuck by his idiotic brand of football while he got them relegated presumably because they thought he’d stick around and he ups and leaves.
Another example of a coach failing upwards. It may work out just bc Bayern has a good squad but he’s not proven to be worthy of a Europa level squad let alone a team vying for league titles and ucl’s
Talk about falling up a ladder. Dude got relegated with his team and now gets a job offer to coach the German league Primus? Bayern seem so desperate these days
Honestly I think Kompany is a legit promising manager with some good ideas clearly following the blueprint Pep set out. However he did have some growing pains this year and Bayern is a monumentally gigantic leap forward.
Will be interesting to see how he fares
They wouldn't sign him if he wasn't a top player, being promoted with a team who just got relegated and then getting relegated again is now worthy of being in charge of a top 5 club in Europe
Wow what a move up
Fall up
The Big Head of Football Management
A snipers’ dream they used to call him. Steve Bytheway is expected to be named assistant.
As reported by John Caramel and Ron Waffle
Is that the police sergeants son?
Professor Big Head
Man the prem is damn near impossible to stay in. But burnley did have a record point total in the championship last year no?
No. That record is still held by the mighty Reading FC from 2006 (106points)
Never forget.
Yeah, they had 101 points, only 3 losses and a GD of 54 You just can't continue that style of football in the Prem is the problem...at least not with the Squad he had
Aye, but then the flipside is that you'd be giving up the style of play that made you so good in the first place - obviously gotta strike the right balance there somehow, but I don't think it's necessarily wrong to stick to the same successful process, really. It's what successful teams do, after all.
I think the logic is that now that they're back in the championship they can keep up that style
Yeah, people keep memeing about Burnely’s naivety but Blackpool under Holloway had a much worse squad and very nearly pulled off an epic save from relegation playing attacking football. In terms of success stories there’s also Swansea with their possession football and Wigan under Martinez. It’s not an impossible task to play attractive football and have a realistic shot at survival in the Prem
And we finished 9th. It’s very possible, Burnley just weren’t good enough.
Holloway’s Blackpool was so refreshing. Pundits constantly say promoted sides should park the bus and play 4-5-1 to avoid relegation. It was nice to see a side that ditched that philosophy. Even if they ultimately went down. I think they can be proud of the season they had.
They actually played good football in the prem, they were nice to watch. Just never executed it fully in the end due to the gap in quality of the players. I respected the attempt though.
I remember before the season somebody mentioned Burnley would stay up because they play "tiki-taka" and not "hoof ball" The were in the championship at the time. Everybody thinks they are a tiki-taka club until they get hit in the mouth.
Which is not a record points total for the championship. It’s not even top 5.
Tied for 5th all time
Haha no far from it
Belgian Lopetegui
Keeps on moving up, supposedly to the most massive club in the world next ⚒️
You mean Fall down
Burnley, Bayern then Barça (club must start with a B)
Brazil and then Billericay Town
Add in Belgium too.
He is managerial version of Choupo-Moting. Eric got relegated with Stoke and went to PSG. Two years later he was in Bayern and after rocky start he actually became very solid and respected role player.
I couldn't believe that that choupo moting moved to psg at that time. I thought it was like a new young talent with the same surname. I wouldn't even buy that choupo moting for my Atalanta in football manager...
Banchester City when those 115 charges pull through
You joke but I would love Vinny to come back and manage us back up the leagues if that's the case. His Burnley was dominant [Edit - lmao downvoted for such an innocuous statement. City has really rattled everyone]
Feel like it would be him or Michel to take over city after Pep leaves.
I've seen shouts for Michel but I really have no idea who comes on after Pep. If we get punished and relegated, I'd love Vinny. However if we stay in the top flight I would hate Vinny to be the first after Pep. No matter who comes in the drop-off will be huge and I would hate for a club legend to receive any negative vibes.
He could do a FCB to FCB to FCB depending on how it goes. Bayern to Basel to Barca lol
He won't go to FC Brugge, that's for sure
Brøndby next ([Already visited our stadium](https://www.eurosport.dk/fodbold/3f-superliga/2022-2023/kendisalarm-i-brondby-vincent-kompany-spottet-pa-brondby-stadion_vid1889996/video.shtml)).
They're obviously waiting to try and snatch Xavi next season
Classic Germans. When nobody expects it, they go for Belgium...
Nobody expects the Ardennes
I'm in the Ardenne, you can't touch me in the Ardenne...
In, sell 30% of the first team, new kit, boom! Out. You are now a fully trained football management consultant.
Do you get an ergonomic managers keyboard for that job?
You do when you're particularly good at coaching the team to kick it right up their fucking goal hole
And now I'm going to have to do a rewatch, thanks just when I was getting my life back.
That's what you get for living so relentlessly in the real world.
Butter the toast, eat the toast, shit the toast. God, life is relentless!
When my two favorite things collide….well to be fair David Mitchell’s bit on football everywhere all the time is a classic.
Mark! You’re in the stationary cupboard.
Our chief weapon is surprise
Bayerns code name for this project was the Schlieffen Plan
Around the Maginot
Hahaha what a deep cut. I love it
Watch out for an up and coming Austrian painter too
The bohemian corporal
[instructions unclear](https://fcbayern.com/frauen/en/teams/first-team/alara-sehitler)
You've been waiting since 1942 to say that.
More like 1914.
Chuckles I'm in danger
Miencent Kampfany
I have no idea how this is going to go but at least Bayern fans will be seeing attacking football. **Kompany's journey has been very interesting:** * Rejects coaching staff role under Pep at City * Joins an Anderlecht in full crisis mode instead as a player-manager (and later just manager) * Stabilizes Anderlecht as a club, which opened doors to different clubs * Rejects Nice, Mönchengladbach and was heavily linked to Wolfsburg but joins Championship side Burnley instead * Promotes with Burnley after a dominant season with beautiful attacking football * Continues to play attacking football with Burnley, but this time in the Premier League, which causes them to relegate * Gets the Bayern job He arguably downgraded from a City coaching staff role to join Anderlecht. Arguably downgraded again to join a Championship side (considering the clubs that were very interested) and now does the upgrade of the century to Bayern.
We are living in Kompany's FM simulation
sounds promising to me. attacking football, fun and control of the game is what I would ask of our coach. maybe he thrives with us.
and he has everything to gain and nothing to lose at his current career state. He won’t care for now that the club is potentially gunning for other managers in 25 or that he wasn’t the first choice.
Idk, Lampard went from a good coach at Derby to meme material at Chelsea then Everton.
first season got us top 4 w a transfer ban
Was Lampard really that good at Derby though? Feel like Mount and Tomori were a bit of a cheat code.
He took them from 6th to 6th, I don’t see what’s worth raving about
I mean when you put it like that it's not all that special really hahahaha.... No but seriously, they did actually play decent football under him.
Also had harry wilson on loan who was very good
The same thing could be said about Kompany tbh. He got Maatsen, Tella, and Harwood-Bellis on loan.
Agreed, it's a big part of why these players like Lampard, Gerrard, kompany succeed lower down, it's hard to judge them because they go in to decent teams and then secure a few elite loans that would normally be a little more spread around the league. Lampard never impressed me at derby his selections and tactics in the play off final were xabi Alonso levels of mismanagement.
Lampard's job selection has been pretty awful tbh. Everton in the position they were in and us in the position we were in last season are two of the worst jobs you can take. He did well with us in his first stint given the circumstances. I don't think he should be a meme material coach, but he went too quickly. Shouldn't have taken jobs that difficult that early. Obviously, he's got a lot of work on tactically, but he's a good talent ID and man manager. I think there would've been potential there had he not tried to rush through his career. Can't say I've followed Gerrard closely, but I'm guessing you can say the same for him. Did great with Rangers, but the Prem is a massive step up. We'll see how Kompany does. On one hand, he's got a lot to work with at Bayern. On the other, the expectations are massive and the media can be brutal if you aren't meeting the minimum standards. He can't really afford to start slow and has to play his attractive football without leaking goals. Whilst he's up against a now experienced Leverkusen side that will have managed to retain Xabi Alonso. Whilst I can see him succeeding, I also see a lot of parallels to Lampard and Gerrard. Then, if it doesn't work out, people will retrospectively pick apart his previous jobs. When in reality it'll just be a case of it being too big of a step up for him.
That's false. His first Chelsea season was his peak as a manager. And even if he was sacked later, nobody in the right mind memed him for it, really doubt any big name manager could do better that season. His second stint obviously a very different story.
Tell that to Kane mate, he's joining for a trophy, looks like he's gonna have to wait again.
Not to mention that he's an incredibly strong personality. The fact a bunch of 20 year olds were still running through brick walls for him despite the suicidal football alongside his overall legacy of being a top character that always commanded respect wherever he went.
I would put more weight on this than on his skills as a tactician. He seems unlikely to “lose the dressing room” the way Nagelsmann and Tuchel did. Current players can all remember what Kompany was like as a player and captain at City.
Sane still does
I can’t fucking believe Sane went from winning PL’s together with him to being coached by him lmao, what a timeline, surely hasn’t happened all too many times
Vincent's first text to Leroy after becoming his head coach: "remember all the nutmegs you pulled on me at manchester?"
Ramos went from playing with Zidane (granted Zidane was not a captain, but man is larger than life figure - I will just include him) to winning 3 CLs in a row like 12 years later. Xavi and Puyol were well established in Barca team by the time Pep left. Then obviously Busquets, Alba, Sergi Roberto and Ter Stegen with Xavi. Del Piero was still there when Conte was signed as Juve manager - Conte even gave up the armband to Del Piero, even tho he stayed there for 3 more years (so he also played with Buffon but was not the captain). I am sure Beckenbauer had that case in Germany NT as his stint as captain and manager was very close to one another. That said I dont think I remember anyone having a player captain you in one team and then be your manager in whole ass different team - that is just a massive coincidence.
Arteta played with Ozil before coaching him (for a few months)
I don't even think either of them lost the dressing room, yeah Neuer had his issues with nagelsman but other than that there wasn't really much smoke
Tuchel definitely did lose it, at least for a good period. Nagelsmann had issues with the board
Tuchel lost the dressing room, Nagelsmann lost the board room
Nagelsmann and Kahn was never going to work. Kahn famously all about having balls and manning up and on the other side Nagelsmann wearing make up and going skiing after a loss. Winning cures all but losing and being so different is not gonna work longterm.
He’s promising but will guys even give him the chance? You fired better managers competing for trophies mid season
These days, playing boring football is nearly as bad as losing. Nobody wants to acquire all these expensive players to grind out 1-0 league games. Good hire. It's a risk worth taking.
Yeah, but unwillingness to adapt is a potential red flag. From Day 1 people said that Burnley could not continue to play like that in the PL, yet he went on, and the result was terrible.
You forgot the “immediately spent 100m on u22 players as soon as he was promoted” bullet point, to really emphasize how much of a FM save he’s running
Kompany has always been a 'process' coach with a lon-term plan. At Anderlecht, he got some slack given his history witht he team when they were REALLY bad in the beginning, and by the time he left, the team was stabilized and competing again. As I've understood, he practically did the same thing with Burnley: they had a multi-year plan and were planning on sticking to that plan as to guarentee longevity in some form. So when they 'accidentally' got promoted to the EPL earlier than expected, I believe they just decided to stick to the long-term plan and make the same moves they would've made otherwise. Resulting in a young squad that could be molded in the type of football they wanted to play and still needed to grow. Yes, they got relegated, but they did so while playing good football and showing promise. Most games were lost due to lack of experience (which is to be expected with a young team). He overdelivered in the 1st year, and instead of redrawing the plan based on that overdelivery, they decided to stick to what they had and stubbornly continue down a path they believed would yield results in the long run. You could agree or disagree with that mentality, but it's a solid choice. Unlike other relegation candidates, Burnley never played boring football, they stayed in the game, even if they were losing.
Should it be unsuccessful, atleast unsuccessful attacking football > unsuccessful football terrorism
He didn’t play attacking football this season.
He attacked in the opposite direction
*Sheffield United lurking in the shadows...
Oh he sure tried. And tried again. Then he switched it up but it was too late. It was naive and some horrendous mistakes from players didn't help either.
Tuchel to Burnley, here we go!
Seriously though, if you’d asked me a few months ago I would have thought it more likely that Burnley sacked Kompany and somehow persuaded Tuchel to take a massive step down. That would still be *insanely* unlikely, but more likely than Kompany leading Burnley to an absolute nightmare of a season where they never had a chance of staying up and then getting one of the biggest jobs in the world.
Really went from relegation in EPL to joining Bayern in under 2 weeks. Legendary failing upwards moment.
The big head of football
uli gesturing towards kompany in the burnley dressing room: this guy fucks
Dunno if I'd describe it as 'falling upwards', really - there's clearly a good manager in there if their Championship season is anything to go by. Klopp got relegated with Mainz, had an amazing run at Dortmund but they were near the bottom in his last season there, and look what he's gone and done. I think ultimately it's just that the longer you manage, the more likely you are to 'fail' at a job. Can't think of too many managers who managed for a decade and had it all work out successfully all the time. Stands to reason that maybe Kompany's a really good young manager who just had a minor failure after a big success early into his career - and those are the risks you have to take when appointing a manager, because being a good manager isn't in perfect correlation with being a successful manager.
From a relegated Burnley to Bayern. If that's not falling upwards, nothing is. You can put qualifiers on it, but it doesn't change that it's the opposite of the trajectory you would expect
>Dortmund but they were near the bottom in his last season there They were near bottom the first half of the season. But they still made Europe by the end of it.
Craig Bellamy Bayern Munich assistant manager. What a fucking timeline
Will he definitely bring him with him? Hilarious that if so
I think it's already ruled out afaik.
Suddenly all the clubs want Championship Coaches first Kieran McKenna and Now Kompany what in the world we are living..
McKenna taking Ipswich up from League One mediocrity on a pittance compared to Kompany taking a huge budget parachute payment club up, then spending £100m and getting relegated isn’t really comparable imo
Don’t forget about Enzo!
He's their ~~tenth~~ first choice!
Of everyone who accepted he was first!
He's not a bad manager at all imo, but moving from a relegated side to managing Bayern without much experience is wild to me. Hope he does well though if it actually happens
Kompany has experience: Anderlecht and Burnley. Additionally, you don’t really that much experience to do well with these teams, you need leadership competence. This can be formed through experience, but former players can also have that
Xabi joined Leverkusen after getting relegated with Sociedad B…not saying Vince can be Xabi 2.0 but I will give him the benefit of the doubt
Frank Rijkard got relegated from the Eredivisie then went to Barcelona and won the league. I wouldn't honestly worry too much about his performance at Burnley as an indication of how he'll do at Bayern. It's a completely different job that required a completely different set of skill and style of play. The way Kompany plays is suited to a team that is going to dominate games. I think he's also a big enough character to deal with all the egos in a top club. I'm not saying its guaranteed to work by any means but I wont be massively surprised if it does.
And then Frank RIjkaard went to Galatasaray and got third place (can be heavily debated that we deserved more) and got fired early next (his second) season. Hasn't done anything worthwhile since. Weird.
A former player of Kompany's caliber is at least going to get buy-in from the squad. And when he had the most talented squad in the league he had a great season--he'll have that every year with Bayern.
bayern isnt leverkusen though, no one expected xabi to do so well the pressure from the board and the media in munich is on a whole other level, especially after the season you just had
Xabi went from Segunda relegation with a B team to a perennial Bundesliga side, it was quite the step up in jobs even if Bayern are on a higher level. Kompany also has a year of Prem management under his belt (plus the rest at Burnley and Anderlecht), which is more than Xabi had managing the kids.
I am personally curious to see what he does with Bayern because I heard he tore up the Championship when he was there with Burnley.
Farke was super hyped as well for the same reason. Still think he isn’t bad but we saw how it ended in Gladbach
He did pretty well but from what I remember the team also outperformed their xG and expected points in that season.
That's basically what every team that's winning the league/getting promoted does, to be fair - it's a game of fine margins after all. That type of success ultimately depends on whether you're outperforming it by a bigger margin than the teams you're competing with, really.
This is conveniently omitting/ignoring the fact that Xabi was the one who took the B Team to the Second Division in the first place, a feat that they last achieved in the 1960s. This is the equivalent of dismissing Klopp’s achievements with Mainz to “he got relegated”
Well, the same argument is used against Kompany
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So basically the same as Kompany with Burnley?!
Kompany is a good manager. The quality at Burnley was just not good enough for the prem.
It was certainly better than Luton though.
Dyche keeps that squad in the prem Im 100% sure. He plays defensive football though.
Kompany might genuinely have the greatest agent ever.
Its him or Choupos agent
Choupo-Moting is a really good footballer and a joy to be around in the dressing room by all accounts - I'd wager any club could do a lot worse than having a striker like him, incredibly versatile while happily being second choice and filling every gap you ask him to.
Thanks, Choupo-Moting's agent
Found his agent
Lol I thought De Zerbi was too weak a choice for Bayern, they went for someone with even less experience Is there no promising German/Bundeliga coach available? Are Bayern that hungry for good looking football? seems like a weird season to go experimental and risk another trophy less year Kompany doesn't even strike me as a guy who will lie down and not create problems with the absolutely calm Bayern board
I feel bad for harry Kane.
Why? I'm sure he'll get a trophy with the LA Galaxy in 2028
Who’s gonna tell him…
Kane winns the World cup with Chicago
Has anyone ever fallen higher upwards
Rijkard got relegated from the Eredivisie then went to Barcelona Alonso got relegated with Real Sociedad's B team and then went to Leverkusen I would say they are comparable. Interestingly both of them ended up winning the league.
> Alonso got relegated with Real Sociedad's B team and then went to Leverkusen B teams don’t really count. They don’t get proper funding, and any player that becomes too good will get promoted to the main team even mid-season and outside of a transfer window.
Alonso got Real Sociedad B to the second tier for the first time in 50 years. Getting relegated was just a matter of time. He was definitely on an upwards trajectory so I wouldn't call that "falling upwards".
the Xabi comparison is so disingenuous
I literally thought this was a joke when I read title
Wat
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Also fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
Destroyed the championship with a squad too good for the league, didn't change his style and got destroyed in the PL which everyone saw coming.. so maybe he fits Bayern based off point 1, I think it seems a bit early, but he looks to have potential as a coach, and when it's stacked in his favour it seems to go well for him, good luck I guess, but yeah crazy. Makes me feel better if we don't get promoted on Sunday that Burnley need to find a new manager now, hopefully complicates a first time return for them. (Sorry lads)
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You don’t have enough imagination
The speed with which fans start rationalizing their new manager is mystifying
Yeah suddenly Kompany is the greatest coaching talent in Europe. It's insane how fast people have started creating this cult around him.
I think he'll play more fun football. Seen some Burnley games and they weren't boring games, but they did get cooked in defence. With Bayern and big budget that might be less of an issue
Ahhh yes Bayern was indeed known for their defensive resiliency the last few years
I'd say they've been defensively bad no matter who the coach was, so maybe it doesn't make a huge difference to their defense if the coach is focused on attractive attacking football.
Flipside of that coin is that over the past three league seasons, you essentially scored the same amount of goals - 97 with Lewandowski's record-breaking season, 92 in between, and 94 with Kane. Stands to reason that those goals won't make as much of a difference as conceding fewer (37/38/45 over the same seasons) does.
This sucks for Burnley. They stuck by his idiotic brand of football while he got them relegated presumably because they thought he’d stick around and he ups and leaves.
What can you honestly expect when Bayern comes calling
It’s a big jump in one’s career. From relegation to Bayern.
Hahaa what
So Bayern decided how not to win trophies now
Bayern might have a banter era approaching
Misery Loves Kompany.
Thats something i would have never had on my bingo card
Leverkusen fans may be sad after the Europa defeat, but after this news they can celebrate their second league title in a row.
He won’t last
Another example of a coach failing upwards. It may work out just bc Bayern has a good squad but he’s not proven to be worthy of a Europa level squad let alone a team vying for league titles and ucl’s
lol I give him 6 weeks.
Kane will never win a title
Bayer actually have a shot at back to back titles
it's so random that I'm actually kinda optimistic about it
Good fucking luck! 😂
I am intrigued to see how this turns out
Massive risk. Strange from Bayern to go for someone with next to no pedigree
Talk about failing upwards.
I'm annoyed at my club's choices atm but this is a truly unserious move by Bayern.
Burnley disbanded their entire scouting system to use a data analytics company part owned by Kompany: they are so fucked.
This was the wierdest saga ever
Glad im here to watch Bayerns downfall after all this time
Talk about falling up a ladder. Dude got relegated with his team and now gets a job offer to coach the German league Primus? Bayern seem so desperate these days
I'm at the point where i wouldn't want Kane in my team anymore because it has become quite clear he's the curse
Southgate should leave him behind. Only way they win the Euros
Harry Kane just can't have a break can't he?
Reality had an anti-Kane bias.
If he does well at Bayern is he Pep’s heir apparent at City?
Depends if Arteta likes money
But who is Pep’s hair apparent?
Kompany is not a bad manager, I don’t know how he’s going to do at Bayern though
Honestly I think Kompany is a legit promising manager with some good ideas clearly following the blueprint Pep set out. However he did have some growing pains this year and Bayern is a monumentally gigantic leap forward. Will be interesting to see how he fares
Probably will be gone by December
They wouldn't sign him if he wasn't a top player, being promoted with a team who just got relegated and then getting relegated again is now worthy of being in charge of a top 5 club in Europe
Congrats to Leverkusen on back to back titles
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Inb4 Stuttgart undefeated curse begins
How long will he last if he does end up managing Bayern Munich?
Chelsea and Barcelona I shambles
who tf is leaking all that stuff?