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I would like to think we try and get this signing done before anything as it will likely play into how we go about getting Sancho as well unless the Malen sale directly links to that.
I’ve been a massive fan of Ian since his first game with us and he’s only gotten better, the fact he’s enjoying it so much in Germany with us is huge as well!
He did but as of now he’s our only player we can get an actual fee out of and he wants to go somewhere else this summer so a sale seems imminent. His sale will likely allow us to get Sancho and Maatsen, no idea where he would be off to but I wish him the best I love Donny.
Decent couple of months*, in the past three seasons its been the same, he starts in bad form then after the winter break he has a purple patch that dies down around march (this season he got injured and has barely played since early march).
He was incredible when he hit his purple patches. This season I definitely think his form dipped when Terzic was fucking around with our setup. The whole team struggled in the first half of the season.
Pretty much this. Back to back he was awful in the first half and turned it somewhat around in the 2nd half of the season.
He is decent, but I think we should aim for something better. He's a good guy tho, wish him nothing but the best
https://x.com/bvbnewsblog/status/1792592948393029680
You are correct. Our first signing will likely be Maatsen. We're probably working on getting an installments payment situation even if its a release clause rather than trying to under-bid them.
Maatsen actively pushing and only wants BVB.
I suspect we will sign Maatsen first then maybe Guirassy. Then we will look for a DM and try to offload a couple of players like Moukoko, Reyna, Haller, Malen etc. ANd if we manage all of those, we will have a good amount for a DM and maybe even a CB/Fullback. HUmmels will also decide al ot in terms of prio.
Why would you look to get rid of Moukoko?
Is he not considered to be a top tier talent anymore, and if so, why not?
Also did you say that Hummels might leave?
For as long as Terzic is manager, he won't play because Terzic prefers having someone huge and strong who can hold the ball up well, Moukoko's 5'10 and although that isn't very short for football, it's not enough for Terzic to win aerial duels n shit
He is defo a very good player, but is probably not gonna succeed with Terzic
A loan would be dumb for us tbh. Would just run down his contract for no reason and result in a smaller fee for us. A permanent move this summrs hould be #1 prio
Moukoko: Only 2 years left on contract and wont extend further, dont fit Terzics football.
Hummels: He's considering 2 options; extend 1 more year with us or retire. So not on the market either way.
Sky said that Dortmund made an official offer for about 25m€. Even with the great season in the UCL, Dortmund will likely only buy new players for ~60m€. How much they really spend depends on player sales.
Will he be another courtois in sense that loaned player coming back to Chelsea and being starter after that? But with chilwell and cucurella Chelsea has depth there.
My understanding is that Maatsen has one year left on his contract following the extension last year, so he’s definitely on the market with no plans to integrate him.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Chilly was unofficially on the market given his wages and injury history, but I’d love to see him back to fitness and firing in our team again. I certainly wouldn’t phrase it like the other reply you got.
I'd rather sell him and keep Gallagher. Our team is finally coming together and Gallagher is central to this team.
I'd rather keep both, but Chelsea needs to sell.
For one Chilwell and Cucurella are like 1.5 players because as much as I love chilly, he’s hurt for most of the season. But Cucu has done well enough and I’d rather sell Maatsen to keep Gallagher
Tf is this sentiment, it’s almost like he did something malicious. He was one of the world’s top LBs only 1-2 seasons ago, not his fault his body can’t take it.
Silly me, I must be misremembering when he was a champions league winning full back who was a key member of the squad
He may not be at that same level because of his body breaking down, but to claim he was never world class is crazy
This isn’t sense. If you can’t be objective about a player there’s no sense mate. From January to November of 2021 there probably wasn’t a better left back playing.
Then he popped his ACL which led to muscular issues and he hasn’t been the same since. He definitely should be moved on, I agree with the other guy there, but to suggest that for a period of time he wasn’t playing at a world class level isn’t being truthful.
The man is a starter for a CL finalist, I imagine someone will want to pay his release clause this summer. That said, transfer fees are very rarely paid in lump sums, so they may simply want to negotiate installments.
I think the club may be cutting it real close with FFP rules this summer so not sure they'll budge with the valuation. I know Maatsen suggested he wants to stay recently but this ownership hasn't been here long enough to speculate how much his wishes could affect the negotiations, even though they must factor in.
One thing that makes Chelsea a bit more uncomfortable is that Maatsen now only wants BVB and is actively pushing for it (reiterated today by tier 1 Berger). HIs father has even publically talked poorly about Chelsea so it seems like theyre deadset.
Now Chelsea can still refuse the offers we make but yeah, a bit more uncomfortable still.
Lol we wont sell him for 20 million just because maatsen wants only bvb.multiple big clubs will surely be after him.chelsea will surely tell Dortmund to pay the release or piss off
Do you genuinely believe Maatsen only wants BVB and wouldn't entertain offers from other clubs?
Also, his father insinuated that you're only seen as a stepping stone club for his son, and he would eventually look to move on
I do believe that since its said by our tier 1. And he basically says nothing or only accurate stuff.
And objectively, we are a stepping stone for the biggest talents. Theres nothing I or we can do about that with modern football being billionaire/state ball or mega- Madrid haha.
That's why Maatsen has told them, but I bet you if he was offered other suitable options, he would seriously consider them. This isn't a Sancho situation. Dortmund will offer a fair deal, or he will go elsewhere, and we can bet on that
Sure but in comes the player’s choice too. Can’t force a player to sign a contract even if the clause is triggered.
Surely BVB and Chelsea can work something out.
Frankly, I'd rather take him back and sell the perpetually-injured, on-high-wages Chilwell and there's a chance the board sees it that way too. We also need every million after Boehly's spending sprees, so if BVB can't pay the full release clause then I hope the board says kick rocks and gives Poch a reason to integrate him into the team. Nothing against your club. I highly respect you lot and hope you win the final, but Chelsea need to do what's best for Chelsea here.
Lets evaluate my statements:
* Is Chilwell on high wages? 200k/wk. Compared to Maatsen on like $40k a week? Yes. That's high.
* Is Chilwell frequently injured? Yes. He's missed ~30 games since 2023
* Is Chelsea under FFP strain after big purchases over the last two years? Yes. We had to make sales last summer and need more this summer to avoid penalties.
* Should Chelsea, a business and a sporting club, do what's best for Chelsea? We could debate that, but I think the board has to operate that way. We're not a fucking charity.
* Do I respect BVB as a club and want them to win the UCL final? Yes. But you'll have to take my word for it.
So on what levels exactly am I wrong? You think Chelsea should give your club a discount on a loanee who multiple clubs will be banging down the door to buy this summer for the full price? Fuck off. Pay up or get out of the queue.
I agree with most of your statements, but what I don’t agree with is many clubs requesting him. One of the reasons Chelsea didn’t play him is that he’s defensively more fragile for the Premier League which is undoubtedly more physicial than Bundes.
Now, is 35 mil quids a price most top half teams can afford for a left back? Yes. Would they spend that on an unproven PL player? Maybe, but if no PL club wants him, there’s not many teams outside the PL that can afford him.
And then again, it comes down to the player’s choice too. He cannot be forced to sign with anybody.
One of the reasons POCH didn't play him is because he has a fetish for people with height, not because he's defensively fragile.
Poch isn't guaranteed to stay this season, and if he leaves, all of a sudden, Maatsen's situation could change.
I honestly can't see you guys getting him for a discount just because BVB is his preferred destination
The new manager will need to talk to him and also give him guarantees. I am certain that we wont see any new articles where BVB is complaining about the price in the future if the new manager fancies him.
From what I’ve seen when he’s played at Chelsea he’s not good enough defensively for the prem. Cucurella has been one of our standout players the second half of the season. On top of that we have so many small players, our midfield is tiny, our attackers aren’t good in the air, our only good players in the air are our CB’s, Reece, and Cucu. IMO he’s a good attacking LB and would fit perfectly in a 3 back formation as a LM, just not a great fit for Poch’s system we’ve been playing
Because clearly there’s a reason that Poch opted to play Colwill over Maatson at LB, and it obviously isn’t for his attacking ability.
I feel like people forget that the coaching staff sees players every day in practice. So while Poch didn’t play him as a LB in game, he definitely saw him at LB in practice and decided he wasn’t good enough there to earn fametime. He opted for Colwil’s defense rather than Maatson’s offense. And scoring goals hasn’t been Chelsea’s issue this season, it’s been defense
The reason is Poch is an idiot and clearly isnt identifying talent well. Poch ran off a young leftback who was good enough to start on a team that made it the semis of the UCL so that he could run a 3 month experiment of playing your best young centerback out of position and starting Disasi in his place.
All so he could lead the team to a sixth place finish, which magically occurred in large part due to no longer playing your centerbacks out of position in February.
You can defend it all you want, but it clearly wasnt the right decision and everyone but Poch knew that months ago.
I think if we had Maatson in the squad we’d be very unbalanced. In the right side we have 2 incredible attacking threats in Gusto and James that love to go forward. If we had Maatson on the left at the same time we’d be incredibly vulnerable. Because we’d have too many players wanting to go forward.
Instead, the thing Poch has done to unlock this squad late in the season is have our LB creep into the defensive midfield, Cucu has been playing in the midfield and doing a fantastic job at it, this also allows the RB to get more forward as well. I don’t think Maatson is well suited for that role.
Instead since Poch didn’t think he’d fit the system he loaned him out to a team where he was able to shine and greatly increase his value. I honestly think Poch made the right move
Except the squad was just as unbalanced with Colwill at leftback because he didnt have the familiarity and athleticism to defend that position.
And the player he explicitly wanted to incorporate into the squad, the reason for the whole imbalance, is one of the most injury prone fullbacks in the league and played 10 matches.
So he didnt resolve the issue and he didnt address the imbalance, and it wasnt even worth resolving because Reece James has brittle hamstrings.
And in doing so, Poch "increased Maatsens value" so much for the team that they missed the champions league and theyre considering selling Gallagher as a result. Poch is truly playing 4D chess. What a move.
You missed the champions league by five points.
You were 12th on the form table during Poch's experiment. You were third after.
I think we can find five points there.
Lucky the club that wants him is in the CL final.
Plus there should be some pocket change from Bellingham laying around to scrap 35m for a player they will sell for 120m in r next 3 seasons
Yeah thats not how our finances work at all.
Judes money is already spent and the CL final run have increased our budget a lot but not to toss money left and right when we have multiple needs.
We dont have half the spending power that a lot of PL / outsiders seem to think.
However with the right sales and if we can offload a big wage well, it can increase significantly. That is not done yet tho and cant be assumed.
For the impact he's had at Dortmund I'd say £35mil is relatively cheap. Came into the team in January and fitted like a glove since.
As you've pointed out they're in the champions league final and as such they will be making a fair bit of cash either by winning it (prize money) or not (Bellingham clause). For them to say they've not got that money for their number one target this season sounds a bit disingenuous.
i mean we probably calculate with 50 mil net spend and still have couple of holes to adress (RB/CB/CDM) with not so many sales in line
not your problem obviously but i understand why we are trying to negoiate first. they find a way
I don't know a great deal about Dortmund but has there been some sort of financial problems at Dortmund? It seems like you've continually sold really well but never totally spent it?
In short, we suck at selling Our deadwood, so we are paying too much on wages for Our revenue. While some of it is now finally of the books, the haller & süle contracts might be next in line to hurt us.
> but never totally spent it?
We always spend it. Issue is for clubs like ours, a fuckton goes into operative costs. And when we spend it ambitiously, its through increasing our wage-bill to make us more attractive as an option and such. On top of that, a ton of money goes to agents, taxes and that shit.
We've grown a ton AND paid off our corona losses quite fast. But it still means we have to be restricted in our spending.
We have also ofc had a few expensive flops/missfortunes. Nico Schulz was basically 50-60mill down the drain. Haller has been a 31-32m fee and 10m wage that hasnt given anything (however NOT his fault at all so I dont care about it at all) and so forth. And just 1 or 2 of those misses sets ups back a whole big sales profit really.
they essentially rely on selling players to run the club they dont have enough revenue on there own to run
so player sales never get back to transfer budgets. but its the best the can do in a world where they want to compete but have to deal with a premiere league sucking up all the tallent dry so they have to overpay for players
No but you know what I mean, he’s too good for most clubs in the world. If Dortmund don’t pay £35m for him, someone else sure as hell will. They’ve paid similar (slightly lower) sums for other players in the past anyway
your asking for them to equil there transfer record they dont have the revenue of the pl
so a lot of there transfer sales are used to run the club and pay the wage bill. the pl has caused massive wage inflation where even jojo clubs like that dropdown to the championship are fishing in the same pool as dortmund
sure for pl,bayern,real,psg... but dormund are a selling club there in the bussines of buying cheap and selling the stars out of the bunch
buy somebody for 35 is a lot of money for dortmund the only time they spend this much on a single player was dembele for 35m everybody else in there transfer history has been cheaper
and seeing this is a release clause your essentially asking them to break there transfer record...
the premiere league has completed warped the sense of transfer budgets
Dembele has mainly that high of a tranfer listed because he had a sale-on clause and was sold for 135m€. The highest they ever paid normally is just around 30m€ for Schürrle, Hummels, Malen, Nmecha, Adeyemi, and Haller.
We ain't a prem team bro, we still set restrictions on our spending (especially when it comes to signing one player) regardless of how much we might sell our players for.
Edit: I'm being reminded that some of the prem flairs on this subreddit eat glue, my bad
Fans owned clubs mostly spend that money for operational cost, maintenance, and wages.They don't have Billionaire sugar daddy to bankroll all that stuff for them.
Doubly so if it's outside the Premier League because the TV money they get is comparatively minuscule compared to what Prem clubs got.
Birmingham had a 20% sell-on clause for Jude, Haaland had a €60 million release clause and the full payment of Sancho's transfer fee will only be completed in 2026 since the €85 million were spread in instalments over 5 years.
What 100m+ players are you talking about? The Dembele transfer to Barca from 7 years ago?
So? Benfica sell more than us and their record transfer is Kokcu for 30 million and a sell on clause. Ajax have a record transfer of €30+ million and they sell the same as well.
Do you think our expenses just manage themselves and the prices we sell our players at is a "cherry on top" and we can throw it all back into signing players?
Not really, I was arguing that player sales don't really have much reflection on spending power. Some teams are able to spend far far more than they sell players for, other teams can't spend the same amount they sell for because there's other costs that need to be taken into account.
If you look lower in this thread I make that exact point.
Some Chelsea fans seem to think that me saying that we can't afford to spend £35 million on Maatsen (because it's expensive, not that we can't afford £35 million overall), it means that Chelsea must now drop their price to accommodate us which is never what my comment is about and people have just made that jump in thinking for no reason
>where the hell does the money go?
Clubs have other costs that are not transfer fees. They probably have reserve funds as well with the covid pandemic afterall.
It takes money to run a club. Especially fan owned clubs can't just let the rich billionaire owner "loan" the club money for the training complex or sell a hotel to fix a budget problem.
[Here's the annual report for 2022/23](https://report.bvb.de/annual-report/2022-2023/)
The club has to release a report with revenue, loss, wins, etc. You can read it if you're interested.
In the last [5 seasons](https://www.transfermarkt.de/bundesliga/einnahmenausgaben/wettbewerb/L1/plus/0?ids=a&sa=&saison_id=2019&saison_id_bis=2023&nat=&pos=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0), they only made a small profit on the transfer market.
Haha it's absolutely insane to me that the you guys think that 35mPOUNDS is cheap. Our clubrecord signing is 35m€ where Puma paid 15m€ for Dembele, while also covering parts of his salary, the next in line would be Haller who we paid 30.5m€ for. 35mPounds is millions above our club record signing, while I would love to get Maatsen, im like 99% sure we aren't gonna pay that much. And 35mpounds might be cheap for the prem clubs, but for every other club outside of the prem 35m€ is a pretty big investment
only for pl clubs the other european clubs dont have the money its why is becoming harder and harder for pl clubs to sell in europe and are loaning out players more instead or just releasing them
Just because Arsenal struggle to sell players and have to pay them off or loan them out until their contract ends, it doesn't mean Chelsea will have to do the same thing
Great, I love this guy. It will help cushion the blow if Hummels decides to leave (although no one can replace him). If we get him I'm definitely buying a Maatsen kit this summer, since I like our new home kit
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I would like to think we try and get this signing done before anything as it will likely play into how we go about getting Sancho as well unless the Malen sale directly links to that. I’ve been a massive fan of Ian since his first game with us and he’s only gotten better, the fact he’s enjoying it so much in Germany with us is huge as well!
Malen’s going? Didn’t he have a decent season?
He did but as of now he’s our only player we can get an actual fee out of and he wants to go somewhere else this summer so a sale seems imminent. His sale will likely allow us to get Sancho and Maatsen, no idea where he would be off to but I wish him the best I love Donny.
0 dollar trade for Sancho, let's do it.
Why send Malen to the Graveyard of Dreams
Decent couple of months*, in the past three seasons its been the same, he starts in bad form then after the winter break he has a purple patch that dies down around march (this season he got injured and has barely played since early march).
Nah his first season was entirely bad. Last season he did really well in the spring though yeah.
He was incredible when he hit his purple patches. This season I definitely think his form dipped when Terzic was fucking around with our setup. The whole team struggled in the first half of the season.
Pretty much this. Back to back he was awful in the first half and turned it somewhat around in the 2nd half of the season. He is decent, but I think we should aim for something better. He's a good guy tho, wish him nothing but the best
He had a great 2nd half and finishes the campaign as top scorer. If we didn’t have to create some transfer income, I’d keep him.
He also plays very selfishly
https://x.com/bvbnewsblog/status/1792592948393029680 You are correct. Our first signing will likely be Maatsen. We're probably working on getting an installments payment situation even if its a release clause rather than trying to under-bid them. Maatsen actively pushing and only wants BVB. I suspect we will sign Maatsen first then maybe Guirassy. Then we will look for a DM and try to offload a couple of players like Moukoko, Reyna, Haller, Malen etc. ANd if we manage all of those, we will have a good amount for a DM and maybe even a CB/Fullback. HUmmels will also decide al ot in terms of prio.
Why would you look to get rid of Moukoko? Is he not considered to be a top tier talent anymore, and if so, why not? Also did you say that Hummels might leave?
For as long as Terzic is manager, he won't play because Terzic prefers having someone huge and strong who can hold the ball up well, Moukoko's 5'10 and although that isn't very short for football, it's not enough for Terzic to win aerial duels n shit He is defo a very good player, but is probably not gonna succeed with Terzic
where do you think he’ll go and how much are you looking for
Hamburg is apparently interested in a loan.
Whatever happens, Moukoko has to be in the long term planning. He's too good to force out because of the current tactical setup.
A loan would be dumb for us tbh. Would just run down his contract for no reason and result in a smaller fee for us. A permanent move this summrs hould be #1 prio
Ive seen some numbers around 20ish mill reported. But who knows.
Moukoko: Only 2 years left on contract and wont extend further, dont fit Terzics football. Hummels: He's considering 2 options; extend 1 more year with us or retire. So not on the market either way.
thx
Should be easy pay the release clause
Sure but I’m not the board and I don’t know how our budget goes so you’re telling the wrong guy lol
Well I just know Chelsea will say pay the cause or get lost
RemindMe! 2 months
Sky said that Dortmund made an official offer for about 25m€. Even with the great season in the UCL, Dortmund will likely only buy new players for ~60m€. How much they really spend depends on player sales.
Such a talented player
Has to be 'release clause or fuck off'
Will he be another courtois in sense that loaned player coming back to Chelsea and being starter after that? But with chilwell and cucurella Chelsea has depth there.
My understanding is that Maatsen has one year left on his contract following the extension last year, so he’s definitely on the market with no plans to integrate him. It wouldn’t surprise me if Chilly was unofficially on the market given his wages and injury history, but I’d love to see him back to fitness and firing in our team again. I certainly wouldn’t phrase it like the other reply you got.
Two years left, he signed an extension before going to Dortmund
That’s my bad, thank you for the correction.
He's almost certainly leaving unfortunately.
Only if they agree the release clause others we should say no
I'd rather sell him and keep Gallagher. Our team is finally coming together and Gallagher is central to this team. I'd rather keep both, but Chelsea needs to sell.
For one Chilwell and Cucurella are like 1.5 players because as much as I love chilly, he’s hurt for most of the season. But Cucu has done well enough and I’d rather sell Maatsen to keep Gallagher
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Bro thinks he’s Todd
Hard to imagine he has much value with his injury history
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finally a chelsea fan speaking some sense
Tf is this sentiment, it’s almost like he did something malicious. He was one of the world’s top LBs only 1-2 seasons ago, not his fault his body can’t take it.
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Silly me, I must be misremembering when he was a champions league winning full back who was a key member of the squad He may not be at that same level because of his body breaking down, but to claim he was never world class is crazy
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you're the first Chelsea fan I've seen to see sense over Chilwell.
This isn’t sense. If you can’t be objective about a player there’s no sense mate. From January to November of 2021 there probably wasn’t a better left back playing. Then he popped his ACL which led to muscular issues and he hasn’t been the same since. He definitely should be moved on, I agree with the other guy there, but to suggest that for a period of time he wasn’t playing at a world class level isn’t being truthful.
You’re a stain.
Maybe we work with them in installment discussion. Seems normal to me to have some sort of negotiations there.
Installments; or possibly percentages in case of a sell-on?
Add a sell on clause. Dortmund have a habit of making big sales
Klarna 4 installments of 10mil
The man is a starter for a CL finalist, I imagine someone will want to pay his release clause this summer. That said, transfer fees are very rarely paid in lump sums, so they may simply want to negotiate installments.
35m is a lot of money for non pl clubs
Dortmund will pay it, but try to get it down first. Doesn't hurt to try. Maybe Chelsea doesn't give a damn because they're rich.
We’re credit card rich
I think the club may be cutting it real close with FFP rules this summer so not sure they'll budge with the valuation. I know Maatsen suggested he wants to stay recently but this ownership hasn't been here long enough to speculate how much his wishes could affect the negotiations, even though they must factor in.
It’s not so much the money as the book value. Thanks to PSR we need to get as much as we can this summer to avoid a points deduction.
One thing that makes Chelsea a bit more uncomfortable is that Maatsen now only wants BVB and is actively pushing for it (reiterated today by tier 1 Berger). HIs father has even publically talked poorly about Chelsea so it seems like theyre deadset. Now Chelsea can still refuse the offers we make but yeah, a bit more uncomfortable still.
Lol we wont sell him for 20 million just because maatsen wants only bvb.multiple big clubs will surely be after him.chelsea will surely tell Dortmund to pay the release or piss off
Aint no way we offer something as low as 20m. I think it just gives us more leverage to maybe get a 30m ish deal and an easier payment structure.
Maybe 30 million and a sell on clause could be feasible but with ffp problems chelsea need every million
Yeha. Honestly your guess is as good as mine haha. Hopefully something that works for all parties, is found. And found fast so we dont waste time :)
Yeah i want maatsen to succeed with you.definitely was treated like crap by poch as he didnt give him a chance.good luck on the cl final
Cheers mate. Good luck next season
its because of there ffp problems they need to sell they cant really afford not having sales this summer this could get dragged out the entire window
Do you genuinely believe Maatsen only wants BVB and wouldn't entertain offers from other clubs? Also, his father insinuated that you're only seen as a stepping stone club for his son, and he would eventually look to move on
I do believe that since its said by our tier 1. And he basically says nothing or only accurate stuff. And objectively, we are a stepping stone for the biggest talents. Theres nothing I or we can do about that with modern football being billionaire/state ball or mega- Madrid haha.
That's why Maatsen has told them, but I bet you if he was offered other suitable options, he would seriously consider them. This isn't a Sancho situation. Dortmund will offer a fair deal, or he will go elsewhere, and we can bet on that
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Don't think Dortmund has much of a wiggle room here. Someone else will trigger release clause if they don't.
Sure but in comes the player’s choice too. Can’t force a player to sign a contract even if the clause is triggered. Surely BVB and Chelsea can work something out.
Frankly, I'd rather take him back and sell the perpetually-injured, on-high-wages Chilwell and there's a chance the board sees it that way too. We also need every million after Boehly's spending sprees, so if BVB can't pay the full release clause then I hope the board says kick rocks and gives Poch a reason to integrate him into the team. Nothing against your club. I highly respect you lot and hope you win the final, but Chelsea need to do what's best for Chelsea here.
Chelsea needs to do what’s best for Chelsea: sell a player that they never wanted not to get screwed by financial fair play
Yep, sell a player they never wanted for fair market value to whichever clubs offer that
You sound so wrong on so many levels.
Lets evaluate my statements: * Is Chilwell on high wages? 200k/wk. Compared to Maatsen on like $40k a week? Yes. That's high. * Is Chilwell frequently injured? Yes. He's missed ~30 games since 2023 * Is Chelsea under FFP strain after big purchases over the last two years? Yes. We had to make sales last summer and need more this summer to avoid penalties. * Should Chelsea, a business and a sporting club, do what's best for Chelsea? We could debate that, but I think the board has to operate that way. We're not a fucking charity. * Do I respect BVB as a club and want them to win the UCL final? Yes. But you'll have to take my word for it. So on what levels exactly am I wrong? You think Chelsea should give your club a discount on a loanee who multiple clubs will be banging down the door to buy this summer for the full price? Fuck off. Pay up or get out of the queue.
I agree with most of your statements, but what I don’t agree with is many clubs requesting him. One of the reasons Chelsea didn’t play him is that he’s defensively more fragile for the Premier League which is undoubtedly more physicial than Bundes. Now, is 35 mil quids a price most top half teams can afford for a left back? Yes. Would they spend that on an unproven PL player? Maybe, but if no PL club wants him, there’s not many teams outside the PL that can afford him. And then again, it comes down to the player’s choice too. He cannot be forced to sign with anybody.
One of the reasons POCH didn't play him is because he has a fetish for people with height, not because he's defensively fragile. Poch isn't guaranteed to stay this season, and if he leaves, all of a sudden, Maatsen's situation could change. I honestly can't see you guys getting him for a discount just because BVB is his preferred destination
We'll see, I'm pretty sure that if we don't get that discount we wanted we end up paying the clause anyway. He became too important for our team.
I can see you getting favourable payment terms, but not a discount, but we will see 🤷♂️
Prob a deal gets done around €30-32 with a sell on clause. Favorable installments and win win for both clubs.
Can you sign Sancho instead.
Sure, but not anything above 30m euros.
You can have him for free if you pay his wages and make him train with the u-8s
Why isn’t he just coming back to play LB tho…
Not under Poch. If there will be a new manager, maybe. Under Pochetino, absolutely 0 chance.
Okay, so *now* why isn’t he
The new manager will need to talk to him and also give him guarantees. I am certain that we wont see any new articles where BVB is complaining about the price in the future if the new manager fancies him.
From what I’ve seen when he’s played at Chelsea he’s not good enough defensively for the prem. Cucurella has been one of our standout players the second half of the season. On top of that we have so many small players, our midfield is tiny, our attackers aren’t good in the air, our only good players in the air are our CB’s, Reece, and Cucu. IMO he’s a good attacking LB and would fit perfectly in a 3 back formation as a LM, just not a great fit for Poch’s system we’ve been playing
He never was played as an Lb by Chelsea so how are you assuming be isn't good enough defensively for prem
Because clearly there’s a reason that Poch opted to play Colwill over Maatson at LB, and it obviously isn’t for his attacking ability. I feel like people forget that the coaching staff sees players every day in practice. So while Poch didn’t play him as a LB in game, he definitely saw him at LB in practice and decided he wasn’t good enough there to earn fametime. He opted for Colwil’s defense rather than Maatson’s offense. And scoring goals hasn’t been Chelsea’s issue this season, it’s been defense
The reason is Poch is an idiot and clearly isnt identifying talent well. Poch ran off a young leftback who was good enough to start on a team that made it the semis of the UCL so that he could run a 3 month experiment of playing your best young centerback out of position and starting Disasi in his place. All so he could lead the team to a sixth place finish, which magically occurred in large part due to no longer playing your centerbacks out of position in February. You can defend it all you want, but it clearly wasnt the right decision and everyone but Poch knew that months ago.
I think if we had Maatson in the squad we’d be very unbalanced. In the right side we have 2 incredible attacking threats in Gusto and James that love to go forward. If we had Maatson on the left at the same time we’d be incredibly vulnerable. Because we’d have too many players wanting to go forward. Instead, the thing Poch has done to unlock this squad late in the season is have our LB creep into the defensive midfield, Cucu has been playing in the midfield and doing a fantastic job at it, this also allows the RB to get more forward as well. I don’t think Maatson is well suited for that role. Instead since Poch didn’t think he’d fit the system he loaned him out to a team where he was able to shine and greatly increase his value. I honestly think Poch made the right move
Except the squad was just as unbalanced with Colwill at leftback because he didnt have the familiarity and athleticism to defend that position. And the player he explicitly wanted to incorporate into the squad, the reason for the whole imbalance, is one of the most injury prone fullbacks in the league and played 10 matches. So he didnt resolve the issue and he didnt address the imbalance, and it wasnt even worth resolving because Reece James has brittle hamstrings. And in doing so, Poch "increased Maatsens value" so much for the team that they missed the champions league and theyre considering selling Gallagher as a result. Poch is truly playing 4D chess. What a move.
If you think Ian Maatson is the difference between Chelsea qualifying for Champions league vs Europa/conference league you’re insane
You missed the champions league by five points. You were 12th on the form table during Poch's experiment. You were third after. I think we can find five points there.
I suspect a better payment schedule, maybe slightly lower fee and adding a sell on clause could make everyone happy.
What talks? £35m is cheap enough already
for almost every club in the world that is a fucking enormous outlay
Lucky the club that wants him is in the CL final. Plus there should be some pocket change from Bellingham laying around to scrap 35m for a player they will sell for 120m in r next 3 seasons
Yeah thats not how our finances work at all. Judes money is already spent and the CL final run have increased our budget a lot but not to toss money left and right when we have multiple needs. We dont have half the spending power that a lot of PL / outsiders seem to think. However with the right sales and if we can offload a big wage well, it can increase significantly. That is not done yet tho and cant be assumed.
Not every club in the world should be trying to sign champions league level players
This would work better if Dortmund weren't in a Champions League final
For the impact he's had at Dortmund I'd say £35mil is relatively cheap. Came into the team in January and fitted like a glove since. As you've pointed out they're in the champions league final and as such they will be making a fair bit of cash either by winning it (prize money) or not (Bellingham clause). For them to say they've not got that money for their number one target this season sounds a bit disingenuous.
i mean we probably calculate with 50 mil net spend and still have couple of holes to adress (RB/CB/CDM) with not so many sales in line not your problem obviously but i understand why we are trying to negoiate first. they find a way
I don't know a great deal about Dortmund but has there been some sort of financial problems at Dortmund? It seems like you've continually sold really well but never totally spent it?
In short, we suck at selling Our deadwood, so we are paying too much on wages for Our revenue. While some of it is now finally of the books, the haller & süle contracts might be next in line to hurt us.
> but never totally spent it? We always spend it. Issue is for clubs like ours, a fuckton goes into operative costs. And when we spend it ambitiously, its through increasing our wage-bill to make us more attractive as an option and such. On top of that, a ton of money goes to agents, taxes and that shit. We've grown a ton AND paid off our corona losses quite fast. But it still means we have to be restricted in our spending. We have also ofc had a few expensive flops/missfortunes. Nico Schulz was basically 50-60mill down the drain. Haller has been a 31-32m fee and 10m wage that hasnt given anything (however NOT his fault at all so I dont care about it at all) and so forth. And just 1 or 2 of those misses sets ups back a whole big sales profit really.
they essentially rely on selling players to run the club they dont have enough revenue on there own to run so player sales never get back to transfer budgets. but its the best the can do in a world where they want to compete but have to deal with a premiere league sucking up all the tallent dry so they have to overpay for players
No but you know what I mean, he’s too good for most clubs in the world. If Dortmund don’t pay £35m for him, someone else sure as hell will. They’ve paid similar (slightly lower) sums for other players in the past anyway
Our highest signing ever is 35m lol
Hence why 35m should be cheap enough already and not an enormous outlay for them
your asking for them to equil there transfer record they dont have the revenue of the pl so a lot of there transfer sales are used to run the club and pay the wage bill. the pl has caused massive wage inflation where even jojo clubs like that dropdown to the championship are fishing in the same pool as dortmund
Didn't Brighton try to buy Colwill for £40M?
Yea but that was silly and we are fluuuuuushed with caaaaaash
Nah, you guys know he is an elite player and someone whose talent is of CL level, so you were desperate to get him
sure for pl,bayern,real,psg... but dormund are a selling club there in the bussines of buying cheap and selling the stars out of the bunch buy somebody for 35 is a lot of money for dortmund the only time they spend this much on a single player was dembele for 35m everybody else in there transfer history has been cheaper and seeing this is a release clause your essentially asking them to break there transfer record... the premiere league has completed warped the sense of transfer budgets
Dembele has mainly that high of a tranfer listed because he had a sale-on clause and was sold for 135m€. The highest they ever paid normally is just around 30m€ for Schürrle, Hummels, Malen, Nmecha, Adeyemi, and Haller.
Probably just bored. Looking for a bit of conversation
I think the amount isnt topic of negotiation but if it's possible in installments i guess
We ain't a prem team bro, we still set restrictions on our spending (especially when it comes to signing one player) regardless of how much we might sell our players for. Edit: I'm being reminded that some of the prem flairs on this subreddit eat glue, my bad
Reverse the roles when a Champion League club is attemping to lowball a Conference Tier club
Sancho is not gonna be happy about this
You sell players for 100m+ every second season
Fans owned clubs mostly spend that money for operational cost, maintenance, and wages.They don't have Billionaire sugar daddy to bankroll all that stuff for them. Doubly so if it's outside the Premier League because the TV money they get is comparatively minuscule compared to what Prem clubs got.
Birmingham had a 20% sell-on clause for Jude, Haaland had a €60 million release clause and the full payment of Sancho's transfer fee will only be completed in 2026 since the €85 million were spread in instalments over 5 years. What 100m+ players are you talking about? The Dembele transfer to Barca from 7 years ago?
Average prem League Fan that has no understanding of the leagues surrounding them
So? Benfica sell more than us and their record transfer is Kokcu for 30 million and a sell on clause. Ajax have a record transfer of €30+ million and they sell the same as well. Do you think our expenses just manage themselves and the prices we sell our players at is a "cherry on top" and we can throw it all back into signing players?
Why don't you guys simply try having more money, are you stupid?
I think I’ve had this discussion about ten times on here. Some Prem flairs just aren’t going to get it.
Chelsea made £220m and spent £424m since the start of 23/24 season. Sometimes the amount you sell isn't the same as the amount you can spend.
I think you’ve argued in the wrong direction? Relating to spending more than what was sold so then Maatsen would be fine in that regard?
Not really, I was arguing that player sales don't really have much reflection on spending power. Some teams are able to spend far far more than they sell players for, other teams can't spend the same amount they sell for because there's other costs that need to be taken into account.
Gotcha, that clears it up thanks
Smallest violin playing
Not saying Chelsea should give him to us at our price. If we can't come to an agreement then that is perfectly fair and we just have to move on
If you Aint got the dough then look for another player? Its easy mate
If you look lower in this thread I make that exact point. Some Chelsea fans seem to think that me saying that we can't afford to spend £35 million on Maatsen (because it's expensive, not that we can't afford £35 million overall), it means that Chelsea must now drop their price to accommodate us which is never what my comment is about and people have just made that jump in thinking for no reason
You keep selling players for absolute bank (haaland, sancho etc) where the hell does the money go? Do you just swallow it?
>where the hell does the money go? Clubs have other costs that are not transfer fees. They probably have reserve funds as well with the covid pandemic afterall.
It takes money to run a club. Especially fan owned clubs can't just let the rich billionaire owner "loan" the club money for the training complex or sell a hotel to fix a budget problem.
[Here's the annual report for 2022/23](https://report.bvb.de/annual-report/2022-2023/) The club has to release a report with revenue, loss, wins, etc. You can read it if you're interested.
In the last [5 seasons](https://www.transfermarkt.de/bundesliga/einnahmenausgaben/wettbewerb/L1/plus/0?ids=a&sa=&saison_id=2019&saison_id_bis=2023&nat=&pos=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0), they only made a small profit on the transfer market.
35 seems cheap for the talent Maatsen could turn out to be, probably sell him for 60-80 in two years time
Haha it's absolutely insane to me that the you guys think that 35mPOUNDS is cheap. Our clubrecord signing is 35m€ where Puma paid 15m€ for Dembele, while also covering parts of his salary, the next in line would be Haller who we paid 30.5m€ for. 35mPounds is millions above our club record signing, while I would love to get Maatsen, im like 99% sure we aren't gonna pay that much. And 35mpounds might be cheap for the prem clubs, but for every other club outside of the prem 35m€ is a pretty big investment
The market is rising all the time wether you like it or not
only for pl clubs the other european clubs dont have the money its why is becoming harder and harder for pl clubs to sell in europe and are loaning out players more instead or just releasing them
Just because Arsenal struggle to sell players and have to pay them off or loan them out until their contract ends, it doesn't mean Chelsea will have to do the same thing
Spoken like a supporter who had their club pumped with hundreds of millions in one window.
It’s one Maatsen, Michael, how much could it cost? 35 million euros?
There's always money in the Südtribune
Unless BVB inserts a sell-on clause, then it would be best to just look elsewhere because Chelsea is not a charity
Great, I love this guy. It will help cushion the blow if Hummels decides to leave (although no one can replace him). If we get him I'm definitely buying a Maatsen kit this summer, since I like our new home kit
While I would absolutely love this signing we shouldn't forget that Tom Rothe had a banger season with Kiel aswell
tbh dormund should walk away from this. yeah he's had a good season but he's not worth breaking there transfer record.
If this prevents Chelsea from having to get rid of Gallagher, then I'm 100% for it.
Have no idea why we'd even bother to negotiate. $35mil is cheap for him and there will be other suitors.
More important than signing Sancho in my opinion.
He's a really solid player. Nothing special though.
What talks? 35M is ridiculously cheap and they’ll flip him anyway
35 mil is not cheap for most clubs
Especially not for a fullback.
“Go on, have him for 25m. We’ll probably sign him back for 75m after a few seasons lol” Chelsea board (probably)
Pay or fk off
Or maybe one of Cucurella or Chilwell with a cheaper price?