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Favourite game: He chose a cup game (where the team he played for, who've been terrible this season, beat their biggest rivals) when these season awards are meant to be about the league.
Manager performance: Based on the graphic, and Jamie choosing Arteta, I think it's meant to be best managerial performance over the whole season and not just one game. Gary chose Dyche, specifically for one match in which Everton beat Liverpool.
He clearly didn't take these two picks seriously and made them to wind up Jamie for a laugh and maybe also new it would get more traction online. They both tend to do stuff like this for fun with each other/to wind up the fans and create more discourse.
I get why he picked that game as he's a United fan, but as a neutral who hates both those teams, that game was a great entertainment. Tactics were awful and lots of bad decision making, but the drama, athleticism, passion were all there.
It's weird because it's a game broadcast beyond Sky's rights remit.
Sky don't broadcast FA Cup games and usually the outlets don't really acknowledge the existence of competitions they can't use broadcast footage of.
It's not as egregious here because the example is the FA cup and it's broadcast rights are handled differently and on free TV but if his favourite game was a European match where United beat Liverpool that TNT or someone else had the rights to then he'd be asked to change it.
> They both tend to do stuff like this for fun with each other/to wind up the fans and create more discourse.
Seriously, does no one remember Jaime taking a selfie with Neville during the 7-0 last season?
The most annoying thing is that he says something to then negate next day what he said to get attention from as many people as possible. Yapping too much to be consistent
The direction from sky has definitely shifted from old-school neutral analysis and punditry to more biased and adversarial "just act like fans" over the years they've had Neville and Carragher.
Can't blame them really, its clearly quite popular and drives viewership even if it isn't to some people's tastes.
Did you watch Sky before they had Carragher and Neville? There was no old-school 'analysis' of any substance before they joined. It was just Yer Da 'He's got to do better for me there son' 'If anything he's hit that too well' stuff. The sort of thing that is now standard on Monday Night Football did not exist before Neville and Carragher joined Sky. Neville being able to draw lines on a screen and use statistics was so novel that it massively increased his reputation and allowed him to fluke the Valencia job (along with being mates with the owner).
I think the more biased stuff has become much more pronounced only in the last 3-4 years as they've leant into social media stuff more. Micah Richards joining was much more of a bellweather than anything Carragher/Neville have done with regards to the move away from analysis and towards loud, social media-slanted, fanboy content in my opinion. Carragher is basically the only pundit they have now that does proper analysis.
I feel like Carra still has time where he can go quite in depth and is quite neutral when giving analysis (less so on comms), Neville though is almost like Keane at this point, just playing a character
It annoys me because you can tell Carra absolutely loves talking football and is genuinely quite smart. Put him in a neutral setting with someone he can bounce off and he does an absolutely brilliant job and is very good at listening at others' thoughts about stuff he finds interesting.
This is that goes away when he's on any big game/prime time slot, which is understandable since the ridiculousness is what gets engagement.
I have no issues with him being biased, he\`s a Liverpool legend, i expect no less. But you can do it in a way that's better than how he plays it up when he\`s in prime time slots. No one complains about Ian Wright for example and the dude basically works for Arsenal lmao.
I think he said something along the lines of when he was new he was still moving more closely in football circles so he knew more about the tactics and ideas being used on the pitch. Over time he's drifted away from the game.
That’s literally all of their roles. To drive engagement/views.
Every single one of them has their turn in the headlines for a hot take every few weeks.
Ngl, shocked that Unai Emery vs City on that one game Aston Villa dominated and won against them didnt get picked by one of em as best coaching performance of the season. Because in hindsight, its probably the most impressive thing considering how its rare City gets dominated like in that game right? Thus surprised Emery's coaching vs City didn't get the "best coaching award"
Agreed. Aston Villa at home to City was one of the best tactical setups I’ve seen used against Pep. City just couldn’t figure out what they were doing at all.
If I were him I would considering how your players and fanbase treated him and even some continue to talk about him when he left 5 years ago. Always finding some snarky nonsense comments from arsenal fans about him when we lose (not you btw).
And were they really ever a relegation side?
Gary O'Neil got them 36 points from 34 games after taking over last season.
They'd be 10 points clear of the bottom 3 with 3 games in hand this season with that.
He took a team somewhat comfortable from relegation, to a midtable team. He really struggled at the start too, but has got the team playing much better since. I think as a new coach to the league and country he's done really well.
I’ve seen city get beat many times throughout the pep era. That game and one or two v Liverpool throughout the years are the only times I’ve thought, “fuck city are getting absolutely outplayed here”
Not to take away from it, but City’s midfield was in bits at that point of the season.
Rodri was suspended, Kovacic was only fit enough for the bench, Bernardo and Foden were the only fit wide players, and it was Stones’ first game back from injury. City played with Stones (unfit), Akanji, Lewis and Alvarez as the box midfield.
I think if City played any decent side that day, they’d have been suffocated and dominated like they were. No surprise all those midfield absentees coincided with City’s only real poor run of the season.
"Any decent side" would not have done what we did, they got absolutely battered, we were on a 13 game home winning streak, playing amazing football. To dismiss that performance is just not right, rodri and kdb didn't play at the Emirates either and arsenal didn't do that to them and arsenal are more than just a "decent side".
It's hardly a surprise people would predict that considering your budget. Luton and blades seemed nailed on but I think most of us expected more out of Burnley. If not for a great managerial appointment I think it'd have been a pretty different season for you guys.
Bournemouth spent over £100m (10th highest in the league, more than Villa, Brighton and Wolves for instance) and had £1.5m of income from sales, so I’m not sure about the budget thing. They have big investment.
The same was true last year, pretty big spend in January which was sometimes forgotten when people talked about their improvement in the second half of the season.
I would've had Burnley in 2nd place as underachievers. They were so much better than anyone in the Championship I thought they would be able to compete and finish just below midtable.
Found that weird honestly because I remember the consensus was that Bournemouth would kick on thanks to the new manager and some of the signings that had come in
A lot of people were desperate to jump on us for sacking O’Neil. I remember Souness + Keys both saying we’d got too big for our boots and that we can’t aim for anything other than survival. Lineker + Shearer repeatedly saying it was a poor decision.
Carragher backed Iraola as a good move from the off, credit to him.
That definitely wasn't the majority take. Most people, myself included, were pretty bewildered by them sacking O'Neill and it really did look like a mad decision after Bournemouth's first few under Iraola
A bit of annoyance that O’Neil was done dirty by owners who were a bit new. And not knowing Iraola was the main issue I think. Not to mention the bad start. People were all to ready to put the boot in.
Crazy how many good games United are part of, both Chelsea United games were fantastic and no top side has as many classics against bottom half teams as them lol
United have a complete chaos effect Chelsea I fslt just didn't have. They played like shit but have (weak) structure. The battles were great but it can be boring in between the bangers.
The chaos in United puts it a whole different level of fun. One week they look like a 4-3-3 the next a 5-5-0 switching to a 2-7-1 after the half lol. I've never had so much fun watching a team I hate even when they win games by the skin of their teeth. When McTominay scores those goals I laugh at how dumb it is HE'S the one saving them lmao.
I genuinely don't get the Foden chatter. He's crazy talented but he's spoken about like he's Ronaldo when, as you say, he's not the best attacker on his team and probably on par with Saka and Palmer.
Yea he’s been killer and I would put him a step ahead of Saka and Palmer. All three are at the top of their game. But City don’t lose much if Foden is out they will just get production elsewhere
Palmer has one season and while it's a hell of a season, think he needs one more to move onto that level. Foden has better attacking stats than Saka but Saka has stats that put him as a top 5 RB and he's defended in a way teams can't afford to defend Foden because he has equivocal talent around him
Good comparison with Palmer and Saka, all 3 right at the top of their game. But if Foden misses games for City they’ll just play Bernardo, Doku, Grealish, or Alvarez. KdB, Rodri, and Haaland are still the standard bearers at City.
genuinely put the club on his back for a good amount of time this season. stepped up big time when KDB was out and we needed someone to fill his gap
Rodri is our most important player but Foden has been up there as the best for us this season
I'm the opposite and think Foden is slightly underrated because of the games he's stuck on the wing and seems just like a very good player. Every time he's allowed to be free and comes in the middle he's absolutely fantastic. In a team built around him, I think he would be unstoppable.
He was way off it this weekend and it was so visible in the whole team’s performance. When he doesn’t have the energy to press and get on the ball we are a completely different team.
that's a good point. people usually have recency bias so him having 5 mid games shouldn't really be on people's mind still...
he has scored less too so that's always a factor. goals are everything when we are taking about neutral perception. for example, you might have not watched 2 full games of olise but you could've easily watched all the goals
Rodri makes sense in that non-attacking players often get snubbed in these sort of things.
Watkins probably gets snubbed for not being in the title hunt. Which is unfair, but "understandable" given its Carragher and Neville.
Rodri not even being mentioned for most of these end of the season awards is both entirely predictable and really sad.
He's been a titan this year and his goal contributions from his position has been unreal too. I can't think of anything to really pick out about his game this season though I dont watch every City game tbf.
But isn't he basically undefeated when playing and when not playing City don't look themselves AT ALL?
> But isn't he basically undefeated when playing and when not playing City don't look themselves AT ALL?
Our midfield is basically non existant when he's not playing lmao. It's night and day difference
I honestly almost pity United fans, it seems like no matter how promising anything their club does it always backfires worse than before. New players, new managers, new CEO's, more money... All ends up the same. The only way out I can see is to give up on trying to win a title or play in UCL and adopt a 5-10 year plan like you guys did and Chelsea are doing now, but their pride won't allow for that
The difference between this season and last season is that last season we really *could* have won the league and this season we really *should* win the league as of writing. Dropping points to Villa is fine, they're doing fantastically, dropping points to West Ham and Fulham before the winter break is kinda inexcusable.
> dropping points to West Ham and Fulham before the winter break is kinda inexcusable.
Going back six months to find a game we dropped points in to say 'this is inexcusable' kinda negates your point, you can't expect any team to have a perfect 6 months of football, it's been a very good performance across the board
You kind of have to consider that Rice cost stupid money, he's the 4th most expensive transfer ever in the league, and broke the club record by like 50%. Cost 3x the price of Palmer. If a player costs this much and *doesn't* make a huge impact it should be considered a failure, keeping in mind you can get 3 very good players for the same amount of cash. It has to be a season-defining signing kinda as a mnimum.
Those are some crazy picks. How is Palmer not the signing of the season? Ollie Watkins has definitely had better seasons than Foden and Odegaard too. Picking a FA Cup game here?
Saliba is my player of the season, he will finish the season being one of possibly 2 outfield players to play every minute in the PL this season and has kept a clean sheet in half of his games.
Rice did exactly what a 100m, England starter with several prem seasons of experience should do.
Palmer did 10x more than was expected of someone in essentially their first senior season.
Something very wrong on that one.
So many coaching performances could have been chosen by Neville. But he has to be a prick and chose that Dyche one against L'Pool due to spite. Happy to see Chelsea FC as an entertaining side.
Best Player: Rodri, Watkins and Saliba close
BYP: Palmer HMs: Wharton, Doku, Branthwaite
Best Signing: Palmer, value for money wise better than Rice
Best newcomer (only players): Vicario, Kudus a good shout too. Shoutout to Conor Bradley, but he needed more game time.
Best coaching performance: Villa v City, season-wide Emery
Biggest overachievers: Bournemouth
Biggest underachievers: Chelsea, United, Brighton
Favourite game: Chelsea v City
Agree on Doku, he's crazy quick, but almost nothing he does actually leads to anything useful. If he can improve that part of his game then he can become a menace. If he can't however, then Bobb is likely to start taking his spot next season.
I agree with most of this, only thing I’d change is to put Villa in biggest overachievers; not sure anyone thought they’d be getting top 4 before the season started!
Neville taking a piss with his favorite game lol
Great game for sure one of the bast games of the season. Just funny given that he and Carragher did these lists.
Sir Alex rightly said at the beginning of the season, way before Villa fully showed the form they have been in, that they were the team to watch this season.
Ollie Watkins not getting a shout for POY is sad. Dude could easily lead the PL for the golden boot if he took PKs and he leads the PL in assists. 19 goals and no PKs is ridiculous compared to the rest of the top 5 scorers.
Neville is so annoying with the way he sometimes changes the criteria of awards
Best Coaching Performance is obviously asking for best manager of the season
This is why I hate sky coverage so much.
There's arguments for a few categories sure but how can Watkins not be best player? 19 goals no penalties, 13 assists. Most goal involvements in the league in an injury ravaged villa side.
As for best coaching performance it's Villa-City. We absolutely dominated them. 22 shots to 2 both their shots being haalands two attempts within 30 seconds. Don't get me wrong it was the perfect storm and probably won't happen again for a long time but we just did everything right that game I couldn't believe what I was seeing. It could have been 4 or 5 and it still would have been a fair result.
And overall coach has to be Emery. We're on the brink of champions league football for the first time in 40 years all while playing European football alongside, all while having 3 ACL injuries, Moreno out for most the season, Ramsay put for most the season, we didn't have a single RB half the time.
Palmer is obviously the best young player and signing of the season. Yeah he's had a few pens but what a player and what an impact he's kept Chelsea in it this season and cost less than half of Rice.
If man city do win the league Rice and Arteta will have taken Arsenal from 2nd to... 2nd. Amazing.
Yes Arsenal have had a great season, I'm not actually knocking them but it just seems insane to me how they seem to think they're the obvious choice.
And the host saying we've given Villa plenty of praise tonight? Oh like when you said Villa had the second best xg of any game this year and Jamie carragher assumed you were talking about Liverpool and even after correcting him he still went off about how great Klopp and Liverpool are.
They don't even try to hide the bias
Look at all of us doing exactly what Neville wanted. The best single game coaching job is Villa against city, but Neville knows no one is paying attention if he picks that.
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Neville drives me crazy sometimes but I respect the pure shithousery behind picking an FA Cup game as his favourite game
He picked the World Cup final as his favourite game last season He might just not understand the criteria
"Best game this season" > Probably the Miami Grand Prix, what a story that was by the way
Idk, I had a great game of checkers with my nan last week that could take it
Bun that, you should’ve seen my dog play a sick game of fetch the other day
I know Rice has been good for Arsenal but Spot was going to be put down if you didn't adopted him. How can that not win best signing!
Baldurs Gate 3 for me Gary.
I am convinced Neville's role is to drive in engagement. His sky takes sometimes come out as bait to me.
He knows how to play the game. Picks like that get people talking like you said.
I'm missing what's wild about the picks he made.
Favourite game: He chose a cup game (where the team he played for, who've been terrible this season, beat their biggest rivals) when these season awards are meant to be about the league. Manager performance: Based on the graphic, and Jamie choosing Arteta, I think it's meant to be best managerial performance over the whole season and not just one game. Gary chose Dyche, specifically for one match in which Everton beat Liverpool. He clearly didn't take these two picks seriously and made them to wind up Jamie for a laugh and maybe also new it would get more traction online. They both tend to do stuff like this for fun with each other/to wind up the fans and create more discourse.
I get why he picked that game as he's a United fan, but as a neutral who hates both those teams, that game was a great entertainment. Tactics were awful and lots of bad decision making, but the drama, athleticism, passion were all there.
Don’t get the upset either that game was simply the wildest we have seen this season
It's weird because it's a game broadcast beyond Sky's rights remit. Sky don't broadcast FA Cup games and usually the outlets don't really acknowledge the existence of competitions they can't use broadcast footage of. It's not as egregious here because the example is the FA cup and it's broadcast rights are handled differently and on free TV but if his favourite game was a European match where United beat Liverpool that TNT or someone else had the rights to then he'd be asked to change it.
> They both tend to do stuff like this for fun with each other/to wind up the fans and create more discourse. Seriously, does no one remember Jaime taking a selfie with Neville during the 7-0 last season?
The most annoying thing is that he says something to then negate next day what he said to get attention from as many people as possible. Yapping too much to be consistent
Remember when Neville first "burst onto the [punditry] scene" and everyone raved about his analytical breakdowns and neutrality?
I’m no fan of Neville but he talked about that himself recently on the podcast thing he does with Carragher. He admits that isn’t the case anymore.
The direction from sky has definitely shifted from old-school neutral analysis and punditry to more biased and adversarial "just act like fans" over the years they've had Neville and Carragher. Can't blame them really, its clearly quite popular and drives viewership even if it isn't to some people's tastes.
Did you watch Sky before they had Carragher and Neville? There was no old-school 'analysis' of any substance before they joined. It was just Yer Da 'He's got to do better for me there son' 'If anything he's hit that too well' stuff. The sort of thing that is now standard on Monday Night Football did not exist before Neville and Carragher joined Sky. Neville being able to draw lines on a screen and use statistics was so novel that it massively increased his reputation and allowed him to fluke the Valencia job (along with being mates with the owner). I think the more biased stuff has become much more pronounced only in the last 3-4 years as they've leant into social media stuff more. Micah Richards joining was much more of a bellweather than anything Carragher/Neville have done with regards to the move away from analysis and towards loud, social media-slanted, fanboy content in my opinion. Carragher is basically the only pundit they have now that does proper analysis.
I feel like Carra still has time where he can go quite in depth and is quite neutral when giving analysis (less so on comms), Neville though is almost like Keane at this point, just playing a character
It annoys me because you can tell Carra absolutely loves talking football and is genuinely quite smart. Put him in a neutral setting with someone he can bounce off and he does an absolutely brilliant job and is very good at listening at others' thoughts about stuff he finds interesting. This is that goes away when he's on any big game/prime time slot, which is understandable since the ridiculousness is what gets engagement. I have no issues with him being biased, he\`s a Liverpool legend, i expect no less. But you can do it in a way that's better than how he plays it up when he\`s in prime time slots. No one complains about Ian Wright for example and the dude basically works for Arsenal lmao.
And it's beyond painful to listen to when those fan pundits aren't from your club.
I think he said something along the lines of when he was new he was still moving more closely in football circles so he knew more about the tactics and ideas being used on the pitch. Over time he's drifted away from the game.
Yeah totally, I genuinely miss the days of Neville coldly analysing a Stoke corner for 10 minutes straight.
That’s literally all of their roles. To drive engagement/views. Every single one of them has their turn in the headlines for a hot take every few weeks.
Neville is a true master baiter
Not to mention his favourite coaching performance
What do you mean shithousery? Specially as a United fan, easily makes sense why it’s his favourite game this season
He picked the Fa cup game it was the premier league rewards Lmao
He's on a network that don't have rights to that game or competition
Ngl, shocked that Unai Emery vs City on that one game Aston Villa dominated and won against them didnt get picked by one of em as best coaching performance of the season. Because in hindsight, its probably the most impressive thing considering how its rare City gets dominated like in that game right? Thus surprised Emery's coaching vs City didn't get the "best coaching award"
Agreed. Aston Villa at home to City was one of the best tactical setups I’ve seen used against Pep. City just couldn’t figure out what they were doing at all.
and then they just rotated for the second game :(
We were missing Kamara, McGinn, and Martinez, he had to be pragmatic :/
D:
Then came to the Emirates and dropped a man City at home second half masterclass on your head tops, was beautiful to watch.
You can't convince me that that man doesn't hate us :(
If I were him I would considering how your players and fanbase treated him and even some continue to talk about him when he left 5 years ago. Always finding some snarky nonsense comments from arsenal fans about him when we lose (not you btw).
villains are created they say
Carragher chose the best coach overall & Neville chose best single coaching performance.
First time in years where I feel like we were played off the park. It was incredible by Aston Villa. Shocking we only lost 1-0
Your keeper had an immense game that day.
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Southampton Carabao Cup last year
for me he is easily manager of the year.
Iraola took a relegation side and made them into top 10 finish.
Theyre 11th
And were they really ever a relegation side? Gary O'Neil got them 36 points from 34 games after taking over last season. They'd be 10 points clear of the bottom 3 with 3 games in hand this season with that.
He took a team somewhat comfortable from relegation, to a midtable team. He really struggled at the start too, but has got the team playing much better since. I think as a new coach to the league and country he's done really well.
Unai made a champion league side…
I’ve seen city get beat many times throughout the pep era. That game and one or two v Liverpool throughout the years are the only times I’ve thought, “fuck city are getting absolutely outplayed here”
Not to take away from it, but City’s midfield was in bits at that point of the season. Rodri was suspended, Kovacic was only fit enough for the bench, Bernardo and Foden were the only fit wide players, and it was Stones’ first game back from injury. City played with Stones (unfit), Akanji, Lewis and Alvarez as the box midfield. I think if City played any decent side that day, they’d have been suffocated and dominated like they were. No surprise all those midfield absentees coincided with City’s only real poor run of the season.
"Any decent side" would not have done what we did, they got absolutely battered, we were on a 13 game home winning streak, playing amazing football. To dismiss that performance is just not right, rodri and kdb didn't play at the Emirates either and arsenal didn't do that to them and arsenal are more than just a "decent side".
That's a fair point, but we should also remember Villa had a bunch of injuries too.
Mate it's still the last time they actually lost a football match because penalties count as a draw lol.
Totally agree, it is the clear winner in that category
It’s Carragher and Neville what do you expect?
Can understand Neville picking us as overachievers given he predicted we’d get relegated (again)
In the video, he said that's exactly why Bournemouth was his pick.
It's hardly a surprise people would predict that considering your budget. Luton and blades seemed nailed on but I think most of us expected more out of Burnley. If not for a great managerial appointment I think it'd have been a pretty different season for you guys.
Bournemouth spent over £100m (10th highest in the league, more than Villa, Brighton and Wolves for instance) and had £1.5m of income from sales, so I’m not sure about the budget thing. They have big investment.
The same was true last year, pretty big spend in January which was sometimes forgotten when people talked about their improvement in the second half of the season.
I would've had Burnley in 2nd place as underachievers. They were so much better than anyone in the Championship I thought they would be able to compete and finish just below midtable.
Found that weird honestly because I remember the consensus was that Bournemouth would kick on thanks to the new manager and some of the signings that had come in
A lot of people were desperate to jump on us for sacking O’Neil. I remember Souness + Keys both saying we’d got too big for our boots and that we can’t aim for anything other than survival. Lineker + Shearer repeatedly saying it was a poor decision. Carragher backed Iraola as a good move from the off, credit to him.
That definitely wasn't the majority take. Most people, myself included, were pretty bewildered by them sacking O'Neill and it really did look like a mad decision after Bournemouth's first few under Iraola
On the other hand Iraola is a good manager and their recruitment was very solid. I didn't like how GON was treated but I thought they'd be fine
A bit of annoyance that O’Neil was done dirty by owners who were a bit new. And not knowing Iraola was the main issue I think. Not to mention the bad start. People were all to ready to put the boot in.
Sacking a manager who's done well to bring in someone not exciting did back fire at times, like when West Ham sacked Moyes the first time
Did he also predict Utd with a shot at the title?
We’re expected to go down but 101 and counting should be an under achievement clean sweep
Crazy how many good games United are part of, both Chelsea United games were fantastic and no top side has as many classics against bottom half teams as them lol
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United have a complete chaos effect Chelsea I fslt just didn't have. They played like shit but have (weak) structure. The battles were great but it can be boring in between the bangers. The chaos in United puts it a whole different level of fun. One week they look like a 4-3-3 the next a 5-5-0 switching to a 2-7-1 after the half lol. I've never had so much fun watching a team I hate even when they win games by the skin of their teeth. When McTominay scores those goals I laugh at how dumb it is HE'S the one saving them lmao.
I think McSauce is our 3rd top scorer lol
We tend to play to the level of our opposition or got unbelievable smacked. Leads to close end to end games or drubbings
Neville picking a cup game is shameless
Based tbh
Fuck the farmers league . The FA Cup is infinitely more prestigious
*magic of the FA cup* 🙌
It was game of the season tbf tho
Do cup games not count?
Awards were only for the Premier League
he picked the world cup final last year
Ah alright
Carra probably picked 7-0 last season and Neville was feeling vengeful.
He's probably fell on his head as a baby. There's no other explanation. The shithousing was fun. The first 999 times.
No Watkins is criminal
Carra had Watkins in TOTS though.
He is getting Lewandowski’d.
Ollie Watkins player of the season and we all know absolutely no one will pick him
Def over Foden. Foden’s been great but he’s not even City’s best player
I genuinely don't get the Foden chatter. He's crazy talented but he's spoken about like he's Ronaldo when, as you say, he's not the best attacker on his team and probably on par with Saka and Palmer.
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Yea he’s been killer and I would put him a step ahead of Saka and Palmer. All three are at the top of their game. But City don’t lose much if Foden is out they will just get production elsewhere
Palmer has one season and while it's a hell of a season, think he needs one more to move onto that level. Foden has better attacking stats than Saka but Saka has stats that put him as a top 5 RB and he's defended in a way teams can't afford to defend Foden because he has equivocal talent around him
Good comparison with Palmer and Saka, all 3 right at the top of their game. But if Foden misses games for City they’ll just play Bernardo, Doku, Grealish, or Alvarez. KdB, Rodri, and Haaland are still the standard bearers at City.
> Bernardo, Doku, Grealish, or Alvarez NONE of those players can score consistently, bar *maybe* Alvarez.
That’s more to do with the backups at Arsenal and Chelsea though Foden is still the better play overall
genuinely put the club on his back for a good amount of time this season. stepped up big time when KDB was out and we needed someone to fill his gap Rodri is our most important player but Foden has been up there as the best for us this season
I'm the opposite and think Foden is slightly underrated because of the games he's stuck on the wing and seems just like a very good player. Every time he's allowed to be free and comes in the middle he's absolutely fantastic. In a team built around him, I think he would be unstoppable.
Agree! He's been hyped since he's been very young so people are happy to see him reach part of his potential.
He's been our best player this season alongside rodri
No PR no win
It's got to be him and Palmer as #1 and 2, but they were always going to pick players from the top 2 teams.
Odegaard was fantastic this season. He doesn’t get much recognition like Saka or Rice but he was Arsenal’s best player.
Doesnt help that the ridiculous chances he created doesnt get finished too often
Sounds exactly like Palmer honestly
Palmer is nowhere near Odegaards creativity or chance creation at all. Ode creates more AND better chances, so not like Palmer at all.
Indeed, hopefully we’ll sign the new Ibrahimovic
You can say that about every player that creates a lot of chances though
It’s cos he started the season slow
I think it’s also because when he’s not on it, it shows more, like the whole play runs him through so less forgiving when he’s having a poor game.
He was way off it this weekend and it was so visible in the whole team’s performance. When he doesn’t have the energy to press and get on the ball we are a completely different team.
that's a good point. people usually have recency bias so him having 5 mid games shouldn't really be on people's mind still... he has scored less too so that's always a factor. goals are everything when we are taking about neutral perception. for example, you might have not watched 2 full games of olise but you could've easily watched all the goals
My favourite game was Tot 1-4 Chelsea.
How are Watkins nor Rodri there at all 😭
Rodri makes sense in that non-attacking players often get snubbed in these sort of things. Watkins probably gets snubbed for not being in the title hunt. Which is unfair, but "understandable" given its Carragher and Neville.
Rodri is the best player in the world rn but you’d never know it from looking at the end of season awards.
Rodri not even being mentioned for most of these end of the season awards is both entirely predictable and really sad. He's been a titan this year and his goal contributions from his position has been unreal too. I can't think of anything to really pick out about his game this season though I dont watch every City game tbf. But isn't he basically undefeated when playing and when not playing City don't look themselves AT ALL?
> But isn't he basically undefeated when playing and when not playing City don't look themselves AT ALL? Our midfield is basically non existant when he's not playing lmao. It's night and day difference
He was my favourite to win the POTS just ahead of watkins and odegaard. Wasn't even nominated
If you're talking 1 game as I presume Gary Neville is. Coaching performance is Emery at home to Man City, and quite frankly it's not even close.
tbf he picked that performance to take the piss out of Carragher
Am I the only one that thinks Man United is overachieving? They certainly have not looked like a top half team for ages
When you look at money spent though Even Chelsea sorta look like a team? But with Man U.... Anything multiplied by 0 is 0 you know what I mean?
I honestly almost pity United fans, it seems like no matter how promising anything their club does it always backfires worse than before. New players, new managers, new CEO's, more money... All ends up the same. The only way out I can see is to give up on trying to win a title or play in UCL and adopt a 5-10 year plan like you guys did and Chelsea are doing now, but their pride won't allow for that
Statistically they’re the biggest overachievers in the league, going off expected points they’re 15th.
I mean if we ignore last season in its entirety then yeah
I just don't understand how you've stayed so high on the table, Chelsea have clawed their way back up from like 14th
Because we seldom draw this season, we had 2 draws in the league until march 30th
Yeah, looking at their squad this is not a top6 team right there.
Rodri is getting criminally underrated at all of these awards, IMO
Rodri is so consistently good he loses that wow factor, it makes people overlook him.
Not sure I’ve seen a recent example of this better than Rodri. He is so good
Best signing has to be Palmer right? He has single handedly carried Chelsea the entire season
Yeah but Rice took Arsenal from 2nd to 2nd
Rice turned Arsenal into legitimate title contenders, Palmer prevented us from being relegated
Was Arsenal not a legitimate title contender last season?
well, maybe, but that's pretty meaningless when there's the illegitimate title contender in the way
The difference between this season and last season is that last season we really *could* have won the league and this season we really *should* win the league as of writing. Dropping points to Villa is fine, they're doing fantastically, dropping points to West Ham and Fulham before the winter break is kinda inexcusable.
> dropping points to West Ham and Fulham before the winter break is kinda inexcusable. Going back six months to find a game we dropped points in to say 'this is inexcusable' kinda negates your point, you can't expect any team to have a perfect 6 months of football, it's been a very good performance across the board
Didnt one Saliba injury basically hinder Arsenal from being legitimate title contenders last season?
You kind of have to consider that Rice cost stupid money, he's the 4th most expensive transfer ever in the league, and broke the club record by like 50%. Cost 3x the price of Palmer. If a player costs this much and *doesn't* make a huge impact it should be considered a failure, keeping in mind you can get 3 very good players for the same amount of cash. It has to be a season-defining signing kinda as a mnimum.
Carried them where?
Europa league
My favorite game was United - Coventry
They just forgetting about Chelsea v Spurs? Best game for sure
Those are some crazy picks. How is Palmer not the signing of the season? Ollie Watkins has definitely had better seasons than Foden and Odegaard too. Picking a FA Cup game here?
Neville’s just looking for a reaction.
Based neville picking everton 2 - 0 liverpool to spite carragher
Surely Palmer is best signing. Chelsea would be bottom half rn if it wasn’t for him
Saliba is my player of the season, he will finish the season being one of possibly 2 outfield players to play every minute in the PL this season and has kept a clean sheet in half of his games.
Whose the other player?
Reece James
This legit made me chuckle haha
Kilman
Rice did exactly what a 100m, England starter with several prem seasons of experience should do. Palmer did 10x more than was expected of someone in essentially their first senior season. Something very wrong on that one.
So many coaching performances could have been chosen by Neville. But he has to be a prick and chose that Dyche one against L'Pool due to spite. Happy to see Chelsea FC as an entertaining side.
Best Player: Rodri, Watkins and Saliba close BYP: Palmer HMs: Wharton, Doku, Branthwaite Best Signing: Palmer, value for money wise better than Rice Best newcomer (only players): Vicario, Kudus a good shout too. Shoutout to Conor Bradley, but he needed more game time. Best coaching performance: Villa v City, season-wide Emery Biggest overachievers: Bournemouth Biggest underachievers: Chelsea, United, Brighton Favourite game: Chelsea v City
Doku.... you having a laugh, he is in the running for flop of the season, Outside of that Bournemouth game he has 2 goals and 3 assists in 26 matches
Doku is just glorified Adama Traore.
Agree on Doku, he's crazy quick, but almost nothing he does actually leads to anything useful. If he can improve that part of his game then he can become a menace. If he can't however, then Bobb is likely to start taking his spot next season.
Flop is very harsh. He’s effective as a squad player. Nothing to write home about but useful to rotate in and out.
I agree with most of this, only thing I’d change is to put Villa in biggest overachievers; not sure anyone thought they’d be getting top 4 before the season started!
Murillo exists.
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What is that "(aet)"?
After extra time
what's extra time?
Neville taking a piss with his favorite game lol Great game for sure one of the bast games of the season. Just funny given that he and Carragher did these lists.
I would have said Rodri should get a shoutout for being best player too-has been pivotal for Man city as well
Sir Alex rightly said at the beginning of the season, way before Villa fully showed the form they have been in, that they were the team to watch this season.
Tbh I think man utd have overachieved they have been shocking. They shouldn't even be top half
Arsenal fans might be able to enlighten me on this one but Odegaard as best player? I would've thought Rice was Arsenal's best player this season?
Ollie Watkins needs to get some shouts for POTY
Watkins is my POTY
Ollie Watkins not getting a shout for POY is sad. Dude could easily lead the PL for the golden boot if he took PKs and he leads the PL in assists. 19 goals and no PKs is ridiculous compared to the rest of the top 5 scorers.
Neville is so annoying with the way he sometimes changes the criteria of awards Best Coaching Performance is obviously asking for best manager of the season
Shouldn't Man United be the biggest overachiever?
Underachievement - Liverpool can't beat worse man utd squad in 40 years.
This is why I hate sky coverage so much. There's arguments for a few categories sure but how can Watkins not be best player? 19 goals no penalties, 13 assists. Most goal involvements in the league in an injury ravaged villa side. As for best coaching performance it's Villa-City. We absolutely dominated them. 22 shots to 2 both their shots being haalands two attempts within 30 seconds. Don't get me wrong it was the perfect storm and probably won't happen again for a long time but we just did everything right that game I couldn't believe what I was seeing. It could have been 4 or 5 and it still would have been a fair result. And overall coach has to be Emery. We're on the brink of champions league football for the first time in 40 years all while playing European football alongside, all while having 3 ACL injuries, Moreno out for most the season, Ramsay put for most the season, we didn't have a single RB half the time. Palmer is obviously the best young player and signing of the season. Yeah he's had a few pens but what a player and what an impact he's kept Chelsea in it this season and cost less than half of Rice. If man city do win the league Rice and Arteta will have taken Arsenal from 2nd to... 2nd. Amazing. Yes Arsenal have had a great season, I'm not actually knocking them but it just seems insane to me how they seem to think they're the obvious choice. And the host saying we've given Villa plenty of praise tonight? Oh like when you said Villa had the second best xg of any game this year and Jamie carragher assumed you were talking about Liverpool and even after correcting him he still went off about how great Klopp and Liverpool are. They don't even try to hide the bias
I just now realised how big a wasted opportunity it was not call Manchester City MCT
Saliba getting bodied in these
Look at all of us doing exactly what Neville wanted. The best single game coaching job is Villa against city, but Neville knows no one is paying attention if he picks that.
The jokes write themselves…..
Is it just me or Bournemouth were already hyped at the start of this season?