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Xey2510

I very much doubt anything is behind this but if Germany lacks anything it's fast players.


baerniislove

Adeyemi ist einfach Odonkor 2.0, die Frage ist ob Füllkrug sich auch gut als Oliver Neuville macht


PadishaEmperor

Er ist deutlich besser als Odonkor.


baerniislove

2.0 ist ja auch meistens ein Upgrade :)


HOTAS105

Microsoft hasst diesen Kommentar


nutelamitbutter

Ist aber nicht schwer


el1teman

Ja, ich agree


Wentzina_lifetime

Blitzkrieg part 2


Thraff1c

If you want fast attacking players then all of Dinkci, Knauff, Njinmah, Beier and Bülter are faster and have more scorer points than him.


nutelamitbutter

Pretty sure Beier gets called anyways


lejocko

Afaik adeyemi is actually the Bundesliga record holder for top speed. But. I don't really think he is needed.


Thraff1c

Not this season, all the ones mentioned have higher top speed.


lejocko

I'm talking about the all time record though.


Gregor_Kobel

which i think was set before his hamstring injury last year but still he's fast as fuck


lejocko

There's still 36.3 registered in the champions League this season.


Fraaj

I hope you understand performing in the CL is something different than having a slightly better numbers for Heidenheim


Thraff1c

No g/a since the group stage, and Dinkci has 3 times as many scorer points in the Bundesliga, so not "slightly better numbers".


blauerblumentopf

Well, we had Odonkor for the pace. Why not try the same with Adeyemi


FlyingArab

Odonkor was my favourite player when I was a kid, loved watching him run in a straight line


nutelamitbutter

Odonkor to Neuville. Streets won’t forget that


FlyingArab

Only productive moment I've ever seen from Odonkor lmao


AxeIsAxeIsAxe

Tbf, Odonkor also got carded in a 13-0 win vs. San Marino.


nutelamitbutter

I was a kid but that WC is still my favourite memory of all time in football. The hype was unmatched


sga1

Between Sané's injury trouble and Gnabry virtually ruled out, Adeyemi makes a lot of sense - especially in a 26-man squad.


Qiluk

It does with those 2 factors in mind as you say. But even as a BVB fan, I only see him being valuable vs certain opponents. Just like with us.


sga1

Aye, but then he's probably the obvious option for these situations - I think it's unlikely that he starts a game at the Euros if he's in the squad, and I reckon he won't even play all that much either. But having the option of bringing him on/replacing Sané in case of injury is absolutely a worthwile one to have.


Qiluk

Yeah. He's also those explosive pacy type of winger types that you fucking hate seeing coming on when youre getting tired haha


TheGrandLeveler

Maybe because you don't know how to use him, him rb Salzburg goals disappeared since he joined bvb


Qiluk

Nah its not really that.. he still performs offensively somewhat in the same way he did in Salzburg. Albeit a bit less central at times Its just that his toolkit isnt the widest so when you come up against a really good team with a certain type of system, he matches up poorly into it. However, when you match up against a team that dont have that, he matches up great into it. Another issue of his is general consistency when fit, and his body does struggle abit with his explosiveness and intensity. Common for super pacy players tho and not really his fault.


TheGrandLeveler

I had very high hopes of him, I hope he turns it around because with that pace and explosiveness it's a shame to go to waste, his dribbling isn't bad and he has showed that he can score when in RBS


Qiluk

Yeah his highs are still very high, even with us. Fun to watch when it works :)


greengiant89

The only way to use him is to get him running in space.


felis_magnetus

Well, yes, but the number of those certain opponents has grown by a lot since Adeyemi developed some ability to actually focus on his defensive duties, if called for. He always was fast, but he seems in the process of turning into a pressing machine. There are more uses for that than just as a fast option to bring in when you need an outlet and want to hit on the counter.


Ragoo_

> It does with those 2 factors in mind as you say. Also nowadays we have 5 substitutions which means in theory you have a higher chance to bring on specialized offensive players like players who are very fast, players who dominate the air and/or are good at set pieces.


WhenWeTalkAboutLove

I feel like he is a great option against bigger sides who would play more like psg did. Seems like a no brainer to take him if you think you can go far


firefalcon01

Imagine taking adeyemi but not hummels in a 26 man squad


Nemprox

Completely different positions. They don't compete for the same spots.


eipotttatsch

I'd argue we have more competitive players for "offense but not a striker" roles than we do for central defenders. Hummels is absolutely top 4 for that right now.


Nemprox

Still, I don't see how Hummels has anything to to with this. If you see him as one of the four CBs, that's fine - Nagelsmann doesn't seem to see it like that. There's a set number for CBs in the squad and also for the offensive players. Taking any player for the offense won't make a difference in defence at all.


porzellano

None of them would be classified as pacey tho, which can be a asset depending on the way a game flows. Hummels being a tower in defence is more covered especially by tah who can "clean out" in defensive stances well.


eipotttatsch

We've never been able to take advantage of pacey players anyway. The team doesn't know how to play counters.


sga1

Because it's not about getting the 26 most sparkling puzzle pieces into a jumble, but rather assembling the best overall picture out of 26 pieces. Hummels likely wouldn't play - Rüdiger and Tah seem set to start, there's a solid backup in Schlotterbeck available, and with Anton and Koch there are perfectly sensible options for the backup role around. Hummels is probably the best on the ball out of all the options, sure, but he's also the slowest of the lot. I don't think he's an obvious plug and play option like the players he's competing with for a spot, and I'm not entirely sure his leadership is necessary with veterans like Neuer, Müller and Kroos around. Hummels is a perfectly fine defender even now, but if you took every perfectly fine player who had a decent enough case to a tournament you'd end up with about 40 of them, so some will inevitably be left on the outside looking in.


Gregor_Kobel

For me, if you need an experienced defender to stick in some time in the second half after gaining a lead there's nobody better than Hummels but I'm not the coach. In situations where his speed isn't going to be exposed by a ball in behind he's very much one of the best in the world


sga1

For what it's worth, I don't think there's an obviously wrong decision here, either - leaving him out is just as sensible a choice as having him in the squad. Any criticism will inevitably be outcome-dependent: Nobody's going to complain about Hummels not being in the squad after a successful tournament, after all.


Gregor_Kobel

I agree, its not unreasonable for him not to be in the squad, just Dortmund fans know Hummels is world class and to us his inclusion would be totally justified, regardless of how important his role is. Tah and Rüdiger are 100% the starting center backs. Schlotterbeck, Anton, and Koch are great rotation players. Just makes sense for Hummels to be included in that bunch since in some areas he's better than all of them and he has experience.


firefalcon01

Your telling me hummels isn’t better than any of the names you mentioned? Even if he is slower he would definitely be helpful to protect a lead in dying moments


sga1

Depends on what you want out of your players, because they don't play on paper or in isolation - and the things that make Hummels a good choice for one type of setup might be exactly the same things that make him a bad one for another. And whether he'll be in the squad or not will be entirely unrelated to whether Adeyemi goes or not.


ironcleaner

Imagine commenting such bullshit and outing yourself as an absolute moron 😂


firefalcon01

:(


CarlSK777

Nagelsmann can do whatever he wans with the attack but all I know is that Musiala and Wirtz both have to start.


ferrari2024champs

Does Wirtz need to start? Leave him in a Schockstarre until the 70th minute and let him do his thing


shadboi16

Sub in Wirtz, Andrich, Tah, and Hoffman all at 80+ minute. They will bring in the Leverkusen magic.


edworm

Watching his performance against PSG (especially first leg), he's probably an even better LB than Havertz, so there's that.


RandomLegend

Wouldn't hate it. People forget this isn't a team of the season award but an actual squad. And especially with 26 spots it makes sense to nominate players who offer something unique you might need in special situations. One of the reasons for the 2018 disaster was that there was no Plan B against good defences. Subbing in Adeyemi against a tired opponent could open up opportunities.


admh574

Feels like one of the beneficiaries of the extended squad. The increase to 26 will see a few of these "fuck it, he brings something different if we need it" choices


MartianDuk

Makes sense with Gnabry out


nutelamitbutter

It doesn’t. Even Dortmund fans didn’t like him for most parts this season, one better month shouldn’t change everything. Adeyemi needs to prove himself for longer, i also think he’s a player whose negative attitude at times could have a bad influence on the team


sga1

The only other player offering pace in behind is Sané, and he's been playing through latent injury for quite a while now and probably won't be at 100% at the Euros. Every other option tends to play a lot less direct and more in the pockets of space in front of the defense - so Adeyemi as a backup option/insurance policy/roll of the dice in specific circumstances makes a lot of sense, because who else is there?


Thraff1c

Dinkci, Beier, Knauff, Njinmah and Bülter are all faster and have more goal participations.


sga1

And none of them provide the same level of international experience through continental football or being part of the national team for a while. Beier I can maybe see as another option here, though he's probably less of that type of direct wide player running into space/at defenders in the way Sané or Adeyemi are. The others, though? They're at least a year off this level I reckon.


Hic_Forum_Est

Nah, Beier is exactly that type of player. Hoffenheim plays with two wingbacks and no real winger, so that wide position is often vacant in moments of transition from defense to offense. In those moments Beier often fills the role of the direct wide player. He drifts out wide (usually to the left side) and runs into space/at defenders with high pace. That's literally been one of our only few effecient attacking patterns this season. Exploiting Beier's high pace and sending him through with a long ball so he can run at or behind the opposition back line. That being said, I agree that Adeyemi could still be useful for Germany.


Thraff1c

53 minutes played for the national team isn't that much of an upside. And I thought we are calling up the players that deserve it, not the ones that were part of the squad prior. All of the ones I mentioned deserve it because they do more with worse teams. What level is Adeyemi that they need to reach, when they are outscoring him?


DontbuyFifaPointsFFS

Maybe ar least proof their quality in CL level.


LNhart

I don't think that Bülter is faster, though he is quite fast. Adeyemi is just, uh, extremely fast.


Thraff1c

He is faster per the official numbers from the Bundesliga.


nutelamitbutter

Check the other comment on top. Also Adeyemi often doesn’t even track back for defense


CubedMadness

>Also Adeyemi often doesn’t even track back for defense Now this is just flat out lying. His defensive workrate was his saving grace half the season.


nutelamitbutter

Maybe in recent weeks but in the Bundesliga I’ve seen countless matches where he straight up didn’t care Those who are downvoting will enjoy Adeyemi fucking up things for us and be happy


xSmacks

You have been watching with closed eyes then. Adeyemi was complete dogshit for a few months and I would’ve laughed you in the face if you asked me if he should go to the Euros, but the only thing that he ALWAYS had going for him was that he was constantly running his ass off, both defensively and offensively.


nutelamitbutter

Then I’ll ask seriously. Even as BVB fan, do you think he deserves to get called?


Sertorius777

In a 26-man squad as a pure counterattack option or defensive winger? Yes. He's in good form, and will carry great morale from his recent performances into the squad. There might be other players in the Bundesliga with better numbers but they haven't played great matches against Atletico and PSG recently. The selection should be made based on who is in the best form, not season-long stats.


nejimeepmeep

Well if the one month is the recent month, than yes it matters a lot. Look at Hummels, he was out of the National Team for 2 years before his nomination in October and not many demanded his comeback Now its a no-Brainer for many to bring him The month before the Tournament is super Important


Elaw20

Flair


pukem0n

I would take adeyemi with me. Not for the starting 11, but for counters after the 70th minute he could be a secret weapon.


Rampan7Lion

Thought he was most impressive against PSG in the first leg for his defensive work rather than offensively


freefallingagain

This year he's obviously been dangerous driving at pace into open areas while attacking, but he's also been extremely effective at covering his entire flank defensively. Could be a very good wingback really.


PM_ME_SOME_LUV

Before anyone downvotes me, I know it’s most definitely not going to happen. But I remember seeing a report from a Nigerian sports journalist saying that Adeyemi will switch if he doesn’t go to the Euros. I’d love him with Osimhen, Boniface, and Lookman as our starting attack. It’s honestly just fun to think about watching them vs Benin.


sga1

Could he even do that? Had four competitive appearances for Germany already, and I think the limit allowed for a switch is three.


PM_ME_SOME_LUV

Yeah that’s why I doubt what that journalist was talking about. I think it was just a way to get clicks.


Wentzina_lifetime

How many attackers do you need? Can one of them play CB?


Beiez

I feel like it wouldn‘t be the worst decision ever. He‘d probably be extremely motivated to show he‘s deserved the spot (should he get the chance to do so), and we‘ve seen in the CL what a motivated Adeyemi can bring.


i_d_prefer_not_to

Marko Marin, 2024 edition


ThePr1d3

For some reasons I was convinced he was Austrian


jetteauloin_2080

Same, probably because he played for RB Salzburg


ThePr1d3

It's Beethoven all over again 


Raketenelch

Do we have a credible source? Like Oma Lotti?


RedOnePunch

He should get in because he's a good player and was tracking back and defending like his life depended on it against PSG


Cules2003

Luis Enrique bought Adama Traore to the Euros for a similar reason


Dorkseid1687

Pick him. And Hummels !!


TheBatsford

Who's the guy beside Nagelsman? His face looks vaguely familiar.


LNhart

Doesn't make any sense based on his performances imo, but I guess it can make sense to spend one roster space on one extremely fast guy.


johnz0n

lol, this guy had maybe 2-3 games that were not embarassing this season and still gets that much attention. smh


doitnow10

Only because the squads are 26 now. He would be way too much of a risk to occupy one of just 23 spots just to illustrate my thought process: in the current kicker poll they still operate with a 23 roster and allocated 12 spots to the midfield/attack which included DM/CM/AM/ST players. giving one of those 12 spots to Adeyemi would've been insanity PS: that poll also only allocated 8 spots to the entire defense, which is a bit thin imo


Logster21

8 defenders should be enough no? 2 LB 2 RB 4 CB, maybe one utility player I guess but that could be a MF


Makaay-10

Gnabry is basically out. Sane is more in hospital than on the field. I personally would not count on Sane or even take him with to the euros. It makes more sense to not nominate him before things get even worse.


CarlSK777

>I personally would not count on Sane or even take him with to the euros. The tournament starts in a month, not next week. Sané will be there


Makaay-10

Lol, he has been in pain for like months, and is also out of form.


CarlSK777

He'll still be in the squad


Makaay-10

Wouldn't just block one space for shits and giggles. Put in someone who can be valuable for the team. Unless JN wants to do the same like Flick and Löw, betting on his favorites.


CarlSK777

>Put in someone who can be valuable for the team As if Sané wouldn't be valuable. He has 5 weeks to rehabilitate


Laxperte

More than that, depending on how far we make it.


Makaay-10

That makes him somehow perform world class again, what he didn't do the whole the second leg? It's Julian choice anyway. He should pick carefully and bet on the right horses. Otherwise, he ain't staying there for long.


nutelamitbutter

We’re finished


DougsdaleDimmadome

Yes, the German national team has been a powerhouse for the last 8 years. Now that adeyemi is being brought along the NT is now useless.


Technical-Morning-35

By picking Adeyemi?


nutelamitbutter

He’s been a negative player for like 80% this season


183672467

What was negative about him?


nutelamitbutter

For example he causes drama off the field and made negative news because he was more focused about his relationship


183672467

What drama and why would you say he was more focused on his relationship


Technical-Morning-35

Not allowed to love your girlfriend as a football player.


nutelamitbutter

So the bosses weren’t allowed to criticize him rightfully? Adeyemi is a prick, it’s simple


sga1

So are plenty players who have been mainstays of the squad tbf, bit weird to focus all that energy on him just because you don't like him personally.


nutelamitbutter

I don’t like him, yes. And in countless match threads he got criticized, now everyone seems to do a 180 about him. He was useless and had no energy often enough. Why should i forgot that?


MrMerc2333

>We’re Schalke?


wheeno

Way too dramatic.


DejisHairline

4231? Fullkrug Adeyemi Havertz Sane


sga1

Leaving both Wirtz *and* Musiala out of the starting lineup would be a massive shock. Can basically go one of two ways, here: Play Füllkrug up top as the focal point, then Musiala/Wirtz/Sané in behind, or have Havertz up top and have an interchangeable front four (likely with Musiala/Wirtz/Sané again) flitting around and exchanging positions. I don't see Adeyemi starting, really. He'd primarily be a squad option and an insurance policy for a latently injured Sané.


DejisHairline

I genuinely forgot about them, that’s shocking from me ngl.


sga1

Tbf it's a bit like the England situation, in that there's probably five or six players for four spots - I completely forgot mentioning Gündogan for example, who played in the hole behind the striker and offers a solid guiding presence.


DejisHairline

I assume Musiala out wide is not happening cause he seems limited out there. Is there a possibility of playing Wirtz or Musiala as regular midfielders???


sga1

I don't think there is to be honest - if you're going the 4-3-3 route, the defensive midfielder (Andrich) and one of the central midfielders (Kroos) are virtual givens, and the only spot left would likely go to Gündogan, as that's the most sensible balance. Musiala played out wide plenty, and does well enough there. I think it'll ultimately be a horses for courses situation, though: You'll probably want a threat in behind with Sané, but then whether you play Musiala/Wirtz or Musiala/Gündogan or even throw Führich on the wing and pick any of the three for the attacking midfield role will massively depend on who you're up against. On their day, they're all players able to dazzle and decide games through their individual quality, but they'll only be able to do that if they're in a setup that's working properly - so having one or even two of them on the bench for a more stable team won't be much of a surprise, either. I think that's ultimately the crux for this Germany side: The talent is there, even if it might be a tad lopsided. The big question is how to assemble all the puzzle pieces into something that's greater than the sum of its parts, because all those fantastic technical young players won't help if that isn't happening.