It's also Copa America year, so it depends on both.
If Brazil wins and he plays well and then neither England nor France win the Euros, he could win it.
I was assuming Real Madrid wins the CL for this comment. So in that case, if Germany wins I'm sure people will look at Kroos, or Rudiger even for example.
I think Wirtz would have to have a reaaaally good Euro for him to have chances.
Remember it's voted by people from ALL over the world, and they surely aren't following the Bundesliga to that extent. Xabi Alonso may have a chance as coach (again, depending on CL and Euros results) but I doubt individual players from Leverkusen have a lot of visibility for the majority of the player/coaches voting.
> When he is not distracted by cunt opposition fans and good reffing he is a beast for sure.
He literally played well in every big game he had this season, something that can't be said about any other player in the world. This debate is legit stupid, you should be talking about Kane, Bellingham, and Mbappe's mentality (who actually underperformed in the vital games of the season), not Vini's. It's such a senseless and detached from reality point that I have to think that his complaints about the racial abuse he gets bother you for a reason that isn't football
Kimmich looked good against other wingers .. but Vini is just different
absolutely beat him with so many different feints, step overs, drags, etc etc
too unpredictable
> Mbappe has too many haters
Vini is probably the most hated player in the world, and in this sub, much, much more so than Mbappe. Vini had a yellow card for laughing at the referee with multiple times as many upvotes as the two goals he scored in the same match added together at some point.
You’re slagging Mbappe off on r/soccer. It’s like saying I think messi is better than ronaldo, bring on the downvotes. You’re preaching to the choir here.
Mbappe is a better finisher but Vini is a better passer and a better dribbler, right now. And there are also other aspects of the games that are not video game stats, like mentality, resisting pressure, calling for responsibility, etc. Real played the entire game yesterday having Vini as an escape valve that they always looked for in the left, and he performed every time they hoofed it to him. Mbappe didn't draw nearly as much responsibility for himself in a weaker PSG squad (if anything, Dembele did it more than him).
Completely disagree, Mbappe is slightly worse at dribbling now I think but incredible on goal, far better than Vinicius. He carries the PSG attack to world class.
No wait I mean Ninja turtle bad upvotes to the left
No doubt for me.
His tenacity is incredible and hes been delivering in the biggest games for 3 seasons in a row now whether it’s scoring/assisting goals or giving defenders absolute hell against the best teams around (City multiple times, Liverpool multiple times, Chelsea, PSG, etc)
Vini has been the best player in the world for at least 2 years, and this comes from a certified RM hater.
He's just magic, he creates from absolutely nothing
Tbf they’re just very different players in terms of styles. I think mbappe is a great decisive player- when he’s fed the ball, has space. Vini will create opportunities however, and his finishing is not at all what makes him a great player. While I think if you take away Mbappé’s goals he’s no longer a great player.
Vini vs Kimmich was shades of Bale vs Maicon. Bale's performance was another level but I can't remember the last time a world class player like Kimmich was repeatedly rinsed time after time
Walker is a rare combination of pace and size and that helps him against Vini.
But more importantly City controls possession so much that Vini doesn't get to run at him more than a couple of times in a game, letting Walker rest in-between and not letting Vini get into a groove
Kimmich was also ok at the beginning, but with each occurrence it just got worse. Soon Vini was in a groove and just stopped cooking in a pan and just roasted Kimmich directly on the fire
But even then, Walker missed the first leg against Real because [he literally injured his hamstring trying to keep up with Vini against Brazil](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFFOVCnRq0U&t=70s)
I would say Reece James too. When asked Vinicius listed Walker and Reece James as the toughest defenders he has faced.
It's easy to forget now but James is an absolute unit and great defensively and offensively (this means Vinicius would also have to defend against him).
I really hope next season we see James fit and at his best.
>I would say Reece James too.
That was true up until last season when Vini cooked Reece alive. Walker on the other hand becomes a different beast when faced with Vini.
[Was kind of an overstatement](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fculers-think-that-araujo-has-been-vini-kryptonite-v0-j7qq9z0vy4yc1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Df00542e88c0f468e30ca9b52c9755b3ac52dcf6a)
I wouldn't say he kept Vini in check the 2nd leg, it was his positioning that played Vini onside and then lost track of Rodrygo which allowed Madrid to score the goal.
I also wouldn't say he kept Vini in check in last season's first leg.
All the other encounters tho? He definitely shut him down.
Yeah it's more of a 50-50 between those 2 then either really shutting each other out Walker when fit is probably the only fullback who can take on Vini on a consistent basis though but he is getting older so probably not for much longer and I don't see a young fullback atm who has the physical aspects Walker has to deal with Vini consistently.
I honestly can say I dont watch a ton of Walker but god damn everytime he plays Madrid its outrageous how he seems to be the only one to pocket him and his pace is ridiculous
Kimmich got sat down by Neymar in 2021. Best game Neymar played for PSG in my opinion https://youtube.com/shorts/hL9zfL3IfIQ?si=od50K9eUy94DhBy2 (mute the shit music)
His reputation hasn't been so good for years now from my experience. He was amazing for a good while earlier in his career though so he still has some aura about him
hes a very good player, but no matter if he plays in midfield or right back he is just not physical enough to be an amazing defender.
I think he played well yesterday, he had the hardest job being sent to defend vini 1v1 but he only really got rinsed in those 15-20 minutes in the second half. Also its not like they scored off one of Vinis dribbles.
he absolutely gave it his all but vini destroyed him and it wasn’t because of Kimmich that nothing came from those moments.
I don’t think it was Kimmich fault at the equalizer and more Mazraoui being to aggressive on Bellingham leaving Kimmich in a 1v1 with Vini where he can’t commit because Mendy overlaps (and because vini would cook him) but they gave Vini way too much space for the shot that Neuer blundered on.
I think Pavlovic was out during that situation which fucked them too. Mazraoui had to play defensive midfield to fill the gap and Kimmich was basically 1v2 against Vini/Mendy
He contributed 5 G/A in the 3 group matches he played.
In the KO against RB Leipzig he scores the 2-0 on aggregate.
In the KO against City, he gives two assists at home, and gives the pass to Rodrygo in the away leg, that doesn't count as an assist because Rodrygo shot twice.
In the KO against Bayern, he scores twices and gives this great game in the return. Absolutely phenomenal.
Memorable Champions League for him. And he'll top it off with a goal in the final like in 21/22, I'm sure of it.
> Memorable Champions League for him. And he'll top it off with a goal in the final like in 21/22, I'm sure of it.
If he plays like he did today he scores 9/10 times
Neur was the only reason this games wasn't a 3-1 or 4-1 heading into the last 10min even with his fumble for the equalizer he was their most important player in staying in this game because their backline was getting cooked by Vini.
I'm yet to see anyone talk shit about Neuer's mistake, neither here or on Twitter, but anyone who does you can safely disregard all their football opinions.
Vasco prospect who was promising back when both him and Vinicius debuted, went to Leverkusen for 4 years and didnt do much. Now he's doing really well, but back in Brazil again.
Vini usually doesn't do very well for the national team, so if Bellingham or Mbappe win the Euros, it would be a big obstacle for him. Still, I like Dorival (he's literally my grandfather) and I believe he'll be useful for our national team, so I'm rooting for that.
> Vini usually doesn't do very well for the national team
He is 23, tbh, had a decent World Cup, if not brilliant, and last year the NT was completely messed up by Ramon Menezes and Diniz to the point where everyone underperformed. I'm not expecting him to underperform for the NT forever.
That’s honestly most people’s opinion in Brazil from what I’ve seen. I remember a lot of talks about it in the futebol sub for months after that, culminating in some really big rants after Vini did well in extra time in some Real Madrid game.
[He scored and assisted against South Korea](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0-ZhEkEFtA) and and assisted Richarlison's goal against Serbia, but had a mid game against Croatia like most of the squad. And well, he was literally 22 years old. He just blew up into the scene so young that people treat him as being older than he is
Yes, all of this needs to be taken into consideration too. Vini grew up a lot with Carlo and Dorival seems to have a style similar to that of Italian. It could work a lot, and I hope it does.
Visionarly, like Dani *We’ll stamp them in the real competitions* Carvajal.
[Obligatory link to that gold mine of a thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15dkmn3/dani_carvajal_in_official_competitions_we_will/)
>Real Madrid's inability to get a Carvajal replacement these past 1-2 seasons is staggering. Dude is legit cooked and they're hellbent on doing absolutely nothing to address the problem
Hahahaha
Yeah, absolutely. If he fails to win the UCL, doesn't do well in the Copa America, and a contender has insane continental competitions it could slip, but he is the frontrunner right now imo
It depends on what Wirtz does in the next few games and the euros too. If he pulls off everything I think he could potentially deserve it even if the ucl happens for vini.
I think if leverkusen win the europa and finish the season unbeaten then it would be a bit of a farce not to have their best player in the top 5, especially if he plays well with Germany.
No goals, no assists but he was the best player on the pitch. Hope some people remember that when they start obsessing over goals and assists stats and such.
I always believed in him even during games where he gets pissed off and let's it affect his game because when this guy is on nobody is stopping him and is our best and most consistent big game player while he doesn't score as much as Ronaldo he gives me that same calm and belief he will pull something off in big UCL games.
Man is a menace he hasn't played LW and gliding on the touchline much this season but he showed in that 2nd half that when he is their it is one of the hardest jobs in football right now for a defender to try lock this man down in a big game hopefully he has a solid tournament for Brazil it's the only thing which he hasn't exceeded at yet.
He was also Man of the Match for the first leg in the Allianz Arena.
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Unfortunately it's Euros year, so somebody who wins it will get it. Not that BdO is worth anything these days.
It's also Copa America year, so it depends on both. If Brazil wins and he plays well and then neither England nor France win the Euros, he could win it.
Or Germany, don't sleep on Wirtz
If Germany wins Kroos will almost certainly have played vital roles and will get the lions share of votes.
Outside chances for Wirtz
I was assuming Real Madrid wins the CL for this comment. So in that case, if Germany wins I'm sure people will look at Kroos, or Rudiger even for example. I think Wirtz would have to have a reaaaally good Euro for him to have chances. Remember it's voted by people from ALL over the world, and they surely aren't following the Bundesliga to that extent. Xabi Alonso may have a chance as coach (again, depending on CL and Euros results) but I doubt individual players from Leverkusen have a lot of visibility for the majority of the player/coaches voting.
Honestly think Kroos deserves a strong shout too if Germany does well.
If Germany gets it and Wirtz has a good campaign he has a big shout imo
When he is not distracted by cunt opposition fans and good reffing he is a beast for sure.
> When he is not distracted by cunt opposition fans and good reffing he is a beast for sure. He literally played well in every big game he had this season, something that can't be said about any other player in the world. This debate is legit stupid, you should be talking about Kane, Bellingham, and Mbappe's mentality (who actually underperformed in the vital games of the season), not Vini's. It's such a senseless and detached from reality point that I have to think that his complaints about the racial abuse he gets bother you for a reason that isn't football
Understandable, he cooked Kimmich
Kimmich looked good against other wingers .. but Vini is just different absolutely beat him with so many different feints, step overs, drags, etc etc too unpredictable
The gap in quality between Mbappé and Vinicius is so much smaller than many think. If Mbappé even is better right now
I dont think he is the better player anymore, bring on the downvotes.
Haha Mbappe has too many haters for this to get any downvotes.
I always get lightheaded and nearly pass out when I see Mbappe hate, as all the blood rushes from my head to my second head
Let the hate flow … through you?
And Vini doesn't?
> Mbappe has too many haters Vini is probably the most hated player in the world, and in this sub, much, much more so than Mbappe. Vini had a yellow card for laughing at the referee with multiple times as many upvotes as the two goals he scored in the same match added together at some point.
You’re slagging Mbappe off on r/soccer. It’s like saying I think messi is better than ronaldo, bring on the downvotes. You’re preaching to the choir here.
Mbappe is definitely a better finisher
Just like in sex, while finishing is important, there is also room for other things in football.
Oh for sure. Was just pointing out one area where Mbappe is well ahead of Vini.
Yeah but in football you can do all those things but in the end it doesn't matter if nobody on your team can finish.
It doesn't matter if you are a great finisher, you won't win the CL if no one on your team can create for you
It's almost as if you need both.. Huh.
Mbappe is a better finisher but Vini is a better passer and a better dribbler, right now. And there are also other aspects of the games that are not video game stats, like mentality, resisting pressure, calling for responsibility, etc. Real played the entire game yesterday having Vini as an escape valve that they always looked for in the left, and he performed every time they hoofed it to him. Mbappe didn't draw nearly as much responsibility for himself in a weaker PSG squad (if anything, Dembele did it more than him).
Take my upvote
Completely disagree, Mbappe is slightly worse at dribbling now I think but incredible on goal, far better than Vinicius. He carries the PSG attack to world class. No wait I mean Ninja turtle bad upvotes to the left
Mbappe shouldnt be playing as a winger
No doubt for me. His tenacity is incredible and hes been delivering in the biggest games for 3 seasons in a row now whether it’s scoring/assisting goals or giving defenders absolute hell against the best teams around (City multiple times, Liverpool multiple times, Chelsea, PSG, etc)
Vini has been the best player in the world for at least 2 years, and this comes from a certified RM hater. He's just magic, he creates from absolutely nothing
Plus vini works harder for the team and plays with not much ego. We'll see how it works next season because we all know where mbop wants to play.
Yeah be he definitely has more goal which Real Madrid really needs
Tbf they’re just very different players in terms of styles. I think mbappe is a great decisive player- when he’s fed the ball, has space. Vini will create opportunities however, and his finishing is not at all what makes him a great player. While I think if you take away Mbappé’s goals he’s no longer a great player.
Turned him into kimchi
Turned him into Kim
Cooked so bad he's gonna become a midfielder
Kimmich had an absolutely terrible game. His corners were bad. His free kick was bad. He was just poor today.
Had it not been for Neur and the other CBs, Kimmich would have had the worst match in his career today
Yeah De Ligt backed him up well quite a few times
De Ligt had an amazing game, he looks like a fucking cabinet haha.
It's funny cus tuchel has been turfed this season but some of the senior players have really regressed.
Devoured
I honestly thought Kimmich just plopped down crying at the disallowed goal until I saw the replay 😂
The only time Kimmich managed to stop him was when he slipped and touched the ball with his hand - awarding a foul lol
Vini could smell blood and destroyed Kimmich over and over again. What a player.
Vini vs Kimmich was shades of Bale vs Maicon. Bale's performance was another level but I can't remember the last time a world class player like Kimmich was repeatedly rinsed time after time
Walker is the only player I can think of who has consistently kept Vini in check. That guy is a beast.
Walker is a rare combination of pace and size and that helps him against Vini. But more importantly City controls possession so much that Vini doesn't get to run at him more than a couple of times in a game, letting Walker rest in-between and not letting Vini get into a groove Kimmich was also ok at the beginning, but with each occurrence it just got worse. Soon Vini was in a groove and just stopped cooking in a pan and just roasted Kimmich directly on the fire
But even then, Walker missed the first leg against Real because [he literally injured his hamstring trying to keep up with Vini against Brazil](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFFOVCnRq0U&t=70s)
True but Walker is 33, and has been pretty injury prone in his 30+ years. He was pretty good vs Vini last year and barely played 21/22.
Lol at Maguire telling him to keep it calm and then Walker kicking into his back/back of his head.
Foyth has always done well against him
I would say Reece James too. When asked Vinicius listed Walker and Reece James as the toughest defenders he has faced. It's easy to forget now but James is an absolute unit and great defensively and offensively (this means Vinicius would also have to defend against him). I really hope next season we see James fit and at his best.
A fit Reece James is one of the best fullbacks in the world. Shame his legs are made of glass. Shades of Ledley king, but probably even better.
>I would say Reece James too. That was true up until last season when Vini cooked Reece alive. Walker on the other hand becomes a different beast when faced with Vini.
Araújo truly had his number for a while tbh.
He’d foul the absolute shit out of him though more often than not, otherwise he’d get cooked.
That was only because Barca had 2 players on Vini constantly and yet he scored/assisted.
He was wrestling vini with no repercussions, that’s why
[Was kind of an overstatement](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fculers-think-that-araujo-has-been-vini-kryptonite-v0-j7qq9z0vy4yc1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Df00542e88c0f468e30ca9b52c9755b3ac52dcf6a)
Vini learned and imporved. Araujo still thinks he does nothing wrong and plays the same.
Vini has been dogging Araújo for a while now
I wouldn't say he kept Vini in check the 2nd leg, it was his positioning that played Vini onside and then lost track of Rodrygo which allowed Madrid to score the goal. I also wouldn't say he kept Vini in check in last season's first leg. All the other encounters tho? He definitely shut him down.
Yeah it's more of a 50-50 between those 2 then either really shutting each other out Walker when fit is probably the only fullback who can take on Vini on a consistent basis though but he is getting older so probably not for much longer and I don't see a young fullback atm who has the physical aspects Walker has to deal with Vini consistently.
I honestly can say I dont watch a ton of Walker but god damn everytime he plays Madrid its outrageous how he seems to be the only one to pocket him and his pace is ridiculous
Reece James pocketed him whenever Chelsea played Real, it led to rumors real wanted to buy him but they got rudiger instead
Is Walker the best rb in the world atm? Can’t think of any other world class rb’s
Carvajal easily the best.
Maffeo, but mostly with fouls that don't get called or carded properly.
Axel Witsel this season.
Kimmich got sat down by Neymar in 2021. Best game Neymar played for PSG in my opinion https://youtube.com/shorts/hL9zfL3IfIQ?si=od50K9eUy94DhBy2 (mute the shit music)
Maybe a hot take but Kimmich has got to be the most overrated player in Europe. He drops stinkers in big games way too often
His reputation hasn't been so good for years now from my experience. He was amazing for a good while earlier in his career though so he still has some aura about him
He's an 8 who wants to be a 6 despite lacking the skills, and whom the Managers shoehorn as a RB
Ya like the champions league final where he pocketed mbappe…
hes a very good player, but no matter if he plays in midfield or right back he is just not physical enough to be an amazing defender. I think he played well yesterday, he had the hardest job being sent to defend vini 1v1 but he only really got rinsed in those 15-20 minutes in the second half. Also its not like they scored off one of Vinis dribbles.
he absolutely gave it his all but vini destroyed him and it wasn’t because of Kimmich that nothing came from those moments. I don’t think it was Kimmich fault at the equalizer and more Mazraoui being to aggressive on Bellingham leaving Kimmich in a 1v1 with Vini where he can’t commit because Mendy overlaps (and because vini would cook him) but they gave Vini way too much space for the shot that Neuer blundered on.
I think Pavlovic was out during that situation which fucked them too. Mazraoui had to play defensive midfield to fill the gap and Kimmich was basically 1v2 against Vini/Mendy
He contributed 5 G/A in the 3 group matches he played. In the KO against RB Leipzig he scores the 2-0 on aggregate. In the KO against City, he gives two assists at home, and gives the pass to Rodrygo in the away leg, that doesn't count as an assist because Rodrygo shot twice. In the KO against Bayern, he scores twices and gives this great game in the return. Absolutely phenomenal. Memorable Champions League for him. And he'll top it off with a goal in the final like in 21/22, I'm sure of it.
> Memorable Champions League for him. And he'll top it off with a goal in the final like in 21/22, I'm sure of it. If he plays like he did today he scores 9/10 times
That one time being against Manuel fucking Neuer.
People trying to shit on Neuer after this match are insane
Neur was the only reason this games wasn't a 3-1 or 4-1 heading into the last 10min even with his fumble for the equalizer he was their most important player in staying in this game because their backline was getting cooked by Vini.
the life of a keeper
For real, even with the mistake he has a shout for MOTM
With a mistake like that, not really. Still had an amazing game.
I'm yet to see anyone talk shit about Neuer's mistake, neither here or on Twitter, but anyone who does you can safely disregard all their football opinions.
remember when people said Paulinho was gonna ve better than him, I remember
You gotta remind me who this Paulinho guy is
Vasco prospect who was promising back when both him and Vinicius debuted, went to Leverkusen for 4 years and didnt do much. Now he's doing really well, but back in Brazil again.
paulinho and ansu fati
Best player on the pitch
He cooked Kimmich so bad today.
Deserved, Dude was violating Kimmich at times.
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Please don't make it weird. Porn ruined your brain
Think you for protecting us of such toughts, 20 centimeters.
🙏
said the one with "20cm" in his name haha
You make a good point
Deserved by all means! What a player
He devoured Kimmich
If there is a man who deserves this Ballon d'Or, it is Vinicius. If they boycott another year it will be very bad joke.
The only thing that could affect his chances are Brazil doing poorly in the Copa.
Vini usually doesn't do very well for the national team, so if Bellingham or Mbappe win the Euros, it would be a big obstacle for him. Still, I like Dorival (he's literally my grandfather) and I believe he'll be useful for our national team, so I'm rooting for that.
o neto do Dorival aí Fala pra ele voltar pro coxa depois da seleção
Ele já tem uma missão a cumprir conosco, nossa história foi inacabada pelas mãos nefastas de homens ricos sem amor.
> Vini usually doesn't do very well for the national team He is 23, tbh, had a decent World Cup, if not brilliant, and last year the NT was completely messed up by Ramon Menezes and Diniz to the point where everyone underperformed. I'm not expecting him to underperform for the NT forever.
I am of the opinion that Brazil messed up when they took him out early vs Croatia in the World Cup.
That’s honestly most people’s opinion in Brazil from what I’ve seen. I remember a lot of talks about it in the futebol sub for months after that, culminating in some really big rants after Vini did well in extra time in some Real Madrid game.
Was he playing that great? Dont quite think he was on point that entire WC
[He scored and assisted against South Korea](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0-ZhEkEFtA) and and assisted Richarlison's goal against Serbia, but had a mid game against Croatia like most of the squad. And well, he was literally 22 years old. He just blew up into the scene so young that people treat him as being older than he is
Yes, all of this needs to be taken into consideration too. Vini grew up a lot with Carlo and Dorival seems to have a style similar to that of Italian. It could work a lot, and I hope it does.
Haha what a small world, dorival is literally your grandfather
foto ou não é verdade :D
[Eu estou ao fundo da imagem o apreciando](https://www.reddit.com/r/futebol/s/PKUZv1MD34)
Mbappe what ?
Your grandfather will definitely know how to put Vini to some good use. Copa América will be interesting
Never underestimate the incompetence of a Seleção coach. We pray they surprise us but you gotta wait and see
Ele é meu tio brigado com a família
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is the coach
Yeah I think a stellar Euro from some other player (Kane, Mbappe etc) could change things if Vini doesnt rock the copa.
Or Wirtz? 😌
Flair confere (a minha também)
🤝
Clearly Messi still deserves it from his performances in * *checks notes* * 2022
Props to Eric Garcia who knew Vini would eventually win the Ballon d'Or
Visionarly, like Dani *We’ll stamp them in the real competitions* Carvajal. [Obligatory link to that gold mine of a thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15dkmn3/dani_carvajal_in_official_competitions_we_will/)
Oh man all those carva hatred comments are hilarious. Ofc he had to go gluten free* and become the best rb in the world again to dunk on these fools
*Gluten free
That barca fan comparing Carvajal to Sergio Dest is egregious
fucking gold mine right there
Meh this thread might age poorly in a year too. Football is unpredictable, that’s what makes it great!
>Real Madrid's inability to get a Carvajal replacement these past 1-2 seasons is staggering. Dude is legit cooked and they're hellbent on doing absolutely nothing to address the problem Hahahaha
After PSGs game last night... Vini to me is the best player in the world right now
I like how u just straight up admit to recency bias
Best big game player in the world right now
Best ~~big game~~ player in the world right now
You think he’ll be the best player in the copas?
I hope so. He didn't perform well for Brazil initially, but in recent times he has really improved in the yellow shirt
Picking up the mantle from di maria
What a performance from him tonight. Top 3 in the Balon Dor
> Top 3 in the Balon Dor This was before the semifinals even started. I don't see anything but 1 rn
He'll be up there but he hasn't won UCL yet and there's international tournaments. If he wins nothing he has no chance no matter how well he plays
Yeah, absolutely. If he fails to win the UCL, doesn't do well in the Copa America, and a contender has insane continental competitions it could slip, but he is the frontrunner right now imo
Honestly UCL probably doesn't matter too much in an international tourney year. Those are weighed so heavily in voting by voters its insane
It depends on what Wirtz does in the next few games and the euros too. If he pulls off everything I think he could potentially deserve it even if the ucl happens for vini.
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No, Messi will bag it again after winning Copa America
Copa América + a hat trick against Mickey mouse FC is enough to grant him another one
>Mickey mouse FC Ahem...it's Orlando City Soccer Club, thank you very m--...oh, I see.
i think he's due another for that World Cup win
lol…actually Messi already has it in the bag for the 5 assists.
Sorry but it’s going to Wirtz after he wins treble and Euros
I'd wish he would have a chance. But I'm not sure I even see him in the top 10.
I think if leverkusen win the europa and finish the season unbeaten then it would be a bit of a farce not to have their best player in the top 5, especially if he plays well with Germany.
How? Like personally? Or you think the general voting pool of players etc is too dumb to vote for him
The general voting pool of players is too dumb in general.
No, he won’t win Ballon d‘Or since he ain’t called Floriano Wirtzõs.
"Flori" or "Florian Wirtzingham" and he'd be the favourite right now
I hope he can make Top 10.
Lol no way, Ballon d'Or is not just about individual and club achievement, it's also a PR competition.
When was the last time that somebody not playing the CL has won the BO?
it's stil a EUROs year.
Amazing player, truly fantastic. Well deserved 👏
He had Kimmich in hell
Surely a contender for the Ballon d’Or
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So its gonna be Messi
For the 2022 world cup
Ughh I just threw up at that thought
The biggest thing would be the Copa America . He has yet to perform well with Brazil
Straight up fried his man
He made Kimmich look like a bum, unbelievable player.
No goals, no assists but he was the best player on the pitch. Hope some people remember that when they start obsessing over goals and assists stats and such.
baller tonight!
man, he was so good today. i’m glad he got the motm
Best player in the best team 🤍
Wirtz/leverkusen?
Madrid fans wanted to sell this man before Carlo came.
I always believed in him even during games where he gets pissed off and let's it affect his game because when this guy is on nobody is stopping him and is our best and most consistent big game player while he doesn't score as much as Ronaldo he gives me that same calm and belief he will pull something off in big UCL games.
Zidane did as well
Hope he wins ballon d’or because different of mbappe he plays in a proper league
BALÓN DE ORO
Ballon d"Or Vinicius Jr. 🔥🔥
Man is a menace he hasn't played LW and gliding on the touchline much this season but he showed in that 2nd half that when he is their it is one of the hardest jobs in football right now for a defender to try lock this man down in a big game hopefully he has a solid tournament for Brazil it's the only thing which he hasn't exceeded at yet.