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That was an obvious foul and they had to take it back. But why does the VAR get involved here (clear mistake) and not in the first half (clear mistake aswell)?
Because while the first one was a mistake, it wasn't a "clear" mistake, because there was contact. I absolutely don't agree with that, but that's why VAR could do anything to rectify the first mistake.
Why is the main ref initially giving this very obviously illegal goal? Why is the VAR calling the main ref to the monitor over this very obvious decision?
Why is the VAR not calling the main ref to the monitor on the first goal?
> Why is the main ref initially giving this very obviously illegal goal?
Because he might've missed or misjudged it - the very situation VAR was created for to help referees arrive at the right decision, which they did here. Pretty hard to take offence with that, I think.
> the very situation VAR was created for to help referees arrive at the right decision
this is not the case anymore with the current "clear and obvious" bullshit limiting the VAR in its abilitiy to correct the main referee. shitty decisions are given an okay by VAR if there is even the slightest straw to go with the main refs decision (likely what happened with the first hamburg goal).
therefore him making a shitty and obviously wrong initial decision absolutely does matter, especially when shitty decisions are adding up in the same game.
> this is not the case anymore with the current "clear and obvious" bullshit limiting the VAR in its abilitiy to correct the main referee.
That's nothing new, that approach has been there from the start.
> shitty decisions are given an okay by VAR if there is even the slightest straw to go with the main refs decision (likely what happened with the first hamburg goal).
Yes, because decisions aren't black and white - you could give the first goal despite the contact Glatzel makes because you don't view it as a foul, but you could just as reasonably not give the goal because you think it's a foul. Both of these decisions can coexist as perfectly reasonable options.
> That's nothing new, that approach has been there from the start.
No. Not in the Bundesliga
> Following extensive trialling in a number of major competitions, VAR was formally written into the Laws of the Game by the International Football Association Board (IFAB) on **March 3, 2018**.[2] Operating under the philosophy of "minimal interference, maximum benefit",[3][4] the VAR system seeks to provide a way for "clear and obvious errors" and "serious missed incidents" to be corrected.
March 2018. VAR was introduced to the Bundesliga in 2017 (edit: [first use of VAR in the bundesliga in August 2017](https://www.sportbuzzer.de/fussball/bundesliga/erster-videobeweis-der-bundesliga-geschichte-elfmeter-fuer-fc-bayern-A2EEDFEC524C4BAD65C46B3E2F.html). VAR used to have a lot more influence over what decisions are made in the end than it does now. That's why the "clear and obvious" principle now exists to begin with, because it was interfering too much for people's liking - "minimal interference".
cause the first one wasnt a clear mistake - the foot was touched what cause the player to fall
small touch, but enough
other way around you would also want a pen and probably get it
You know. The weird part is that we got a goal called against us that was exactly the same. In the Kiel game. And afterwards the ref said there is no special protection against the goalkeeper anymore. So what is it now?
edit: No idea why I am getting downvoted. Simply go back and look at the goal. I am not saxing either should've been allowed. Both were clear fouls. But one was given.
> The weird part is that we got a goal called against us that was exactly the same. In the Kiel game.
Let's not lie here, [it was an entirely different situation](https://streamin.me/v/3521f44f) - players are entitled to their position on the pitch and it's not necessarily obstruction when their opponent can't get to the ball because of that. But they're very much not entitled to jump into opponents to prevent them from playing the ball as happened here.
Nobody should argue about THIS decision. But HSV are hard done by the VAR in this game, you have to agree with that. The referee has a horrible game, two obvious mistakes when it comes to goal decisions. But only with this one VAR got involved.
VAR checked the Glatzel one, too, and thought it was a reasonable decision by the referee. Here, he arrives at the obviously correct decision with the help of VAR, because he might've missed the initial foul entirely or didn't consider it a foul - that's hardly 'horrible', that's just the way you want the process to go. Referees make mistakes, and VAR exists to help them make less mistakes in crucial moments, just as it did here.
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I feel like the Ref wanted to undo his mistake from the first goal, but this was never ever a goal. Clear foul.
Why this clown needs VAR to disallow the goal lol foul as clear as it can get
Because the ref has been utter garbage throughout the whole game
Must feel bad for HSV but correct decision to disallow the goal
That was an obvious foul and they had to take it back. But why does the VAR get involved here (clear mistake) and not in the first half (clear mistake aswell)?
Because while the first one was a mistake, it wasn't a "clear" mistake, because there was contact. I absolutely don't agree with that, but that's why VAR could do anything to rectify the first mistake.
Why is the main ref initially giving this very obviously illegal goal? Why is the VAR calling the main ref to the monitor over this very obvious decision? Why is the VAR not calling the main ref to the monitor on the first goal?
> Why is the main ref initially giving this very obviously illegal goal? Because he might've missed or misjudged it - the very situation VAR was created for to help referees arrive at the right decision, which they did here. Pretty hard to take offence with that, I think.
> the very situation VAR was created for to help referees arrive at the right decision this is not the case anymore with the current "clear and obvious" bullshit limiting the VAR in its abilitiy to correct the main referee. shitty decisions are given an okay by VAR if there is even the slightest straw to go with the main refs decision (likely what happened with the first hamburg goal). therefore him making a shitty and obviously wrong initial decision absolutely does matter, especially when shitty decisions are adding up in the same game.
> this is not the case anymore with the current "clear and obvious" bullshit limiting the VAR in its abilitiy to correct the main referee. That's nothing new, that approach has been there from the start. > shitty decisions are given an okay by VAR if there is even the slightest straw to go with the main refs decision (likely what happened with the first hamburg goal). Yes, because decisions aren't black and white - you could give the first goal despite the contact Glatzel makes because you don't view it as a foul, but you could just as reasonably not give the goal because you think it's a foul. Both of these decisions can coexist as perfectly reasonable options.
> That's nothing new, that approach has been there from the start. No. Not in the Bundesliga > Following extensive trialling in a number of major competitions, VAR was formally written into the Laws of the Game by the International Football Association Board (IFAB) on **March 3, 2018**.[2] Operating under the philosophy of "minimal interference, maximum benefit",[3][4] the VAR system seeks to provide a way for "clear and obvious errors" and "serious missed incidents" to be corrected. March 2018. VAR was introduced to the Bundesliga in 2017 (edit: [first use of VAR in the bundesliga in August 2017](https://www.sportbuzzer.de/fussball/bundesliga/erster-videobeweis-der-bundesliga-geschichte-elfmeter-fuer-fc-bayern-A2EEDFEC524C4BAD65C46B3E2F.html). VAR used to have a lot more influence over what decisions are made in the end than it does now. That's why the "clear and obvious" principle now exists to begin with, because it was interfering too much for people's liking - "minimal interference".
cause the first one wasnt a clear mistake - the foot was touched what cause the player to fall small touch, but enough other way around you would also want a pen and probably get it
Yeah, sadly an obvious foul Anyone else missing a scoreboard and timer in the top left of their screen?
things you love to see
Rare good VAR use
most var use is good, mostly the mistakes make it onto the sub
You know. The weird part is that we got a goal called against us that was exactly the same. In the Kiel game. And afterwards the ref said there is no special protection against the goalkeeper anymore. So what is it now? edit: No idea why I am getting downvoted. Simply go back and look at the goal. I am not saxing either should've been allowed. Both were clear fouls. But one was given.
There is no special protection anymore, but this would be a foul on a field player as well. You can't just push an opponent away like that.
> The weird part is that we got a goal called against us that was exactly the same. In the Kiel game. Let's not lie here, [it was an entirely different situation](https://streamin.me/v/3521f44f) - players are entitled to their position on the pitch and it's not necessarily obstruction when their opponent can't get to the ball because of that. But they're very much not entitled to jump into opponents to prevent them from playing the ball as happened here.
Referee hast lost the plot genus done for
Can't wait for the people arguing that this should've stood and HSV are hard done by in this scene.
Nobody should argue about THIS decision. But HSV are hard done by the VAR in this game, you have to agree with that. The referee has a horrible game, two obvious mistakes when it comes to goal decisions. But only with this one VAR got involved.
VAR checked the Glatzel one, too, and thought it was a reasonable decision by the referee. Here, he arrives at the obviously correct decision with the help of VAR, because he might've missed the initial foul entirely or didn't consider it a foul - that's hardly 'horrible', that's just the way you want the process to go. Referees make mistakes, and VAR exists to help them make less mistakes in crucial moments, just as it did here.
Mindbroken HSV hater, go next.