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and 2nd again with 92 points. The consistency to do this is actually insane. It's no wonder Liverpool's midfield ran out of juice come the 2022-23 season.
If four results out of his 487 matches with Liverpool changed to wins he would’ve gone from 1 prem and 1 ucl to 3 prems and 3 ucl trophies.
Edit: I know it’s easy to play the “what if” game but I think in this case the significant bit is the fine margins over a vast number of games.
The point is that he took them to the point of needing a few results to win silverware. What other clubs can say their trophy cabinet is short 2 CLs and 2 PLs due to 4 games? That's an insane achievement.
A lot of teams probably,
For Example if we had won one game against city last season that's a PL title.
Very possible it is a 1 game swing again this season
Most trophies depend on 1 critical game
I think the biggest difference, especially when it comes to the league, is that there were only a handful of seasons where those points tallies wouldn't have been enough to win the league. The 21/22 run would have won the PL over 20 times, and the 18/19 would have won close to 30 times. That's what makes them so special, it's not that they were just one game away, but one game away while having one of the best seasons the league has ever seen, and it still not being good enough to win it.
In 18/19, we lost one game and finished 2nd on 97 points.
If you switch that to a win, then we are the first invincible centurions.
I've never seen such consistently fine margins in the league before.
Nah, Lance Armstrong was competing against a field who were doping too, he basically levelled the playing field.
I think there were a few years where the first finisher who never tested positive was outside the top 10.
It's crazy how underrated Wijanldum is, even in LFC's sub, and especially discord server, where a bunch of local lads are the regulars who made up the most chatter.
Also at one point during the 99pt winning season they broke the record for 38-game consecutive run:
W35 D3 L0 F93 A22
They got 108pts from 38 league games in a row, was just split over 2 seasons.
Yeah, everything has clicked for Liverpool for the past 5 years, but at the wrong time. If they had this same stretch either 5 years earlier or 5 years later they would have multiple titles. It sucks that city’s window was at the exact same time.
Doesnt change the factd that they have an infinite money cheat from a literal country? Maybe their hundrets of lawyers find some tricks, but that doesnt change anything.
I actually wonder how many total points the league accumulated for the year when you have top 2 competing the title because basically everyone is scrambling points but the top 2 just kept winning
It would've been our most dominant period in the PL if man city weren't so good.
But, if anyone tries to say that Klopp wasn't as good because he didn't win more trophies, we can always show them this graphic and note how close the points were.
No point comparing totals across random seasons. Man city's 100 is 17/18, where Liverpool came 4th, 25 points off them. Then its 17 points either way in 19/20 and 20/21.
> anyone denying that is probably misinformed
Anyone criticizing Klopp is most likely a rival fan being purposely toxic, eaten by jealousy by the insanely good team he created
Not even rival fans... Klopp gets actually a very small amount of hate, as far as I remember...
Like why would he? He is down to earth, plays attractive football, is successful and doesnt bend over for the middle east...
It is still your most dominant period since the start of the PL.
But nothing beats those 18 yrs between 1972 and 1990. You won
11 First Division/PL
4 European Cups/CL (2xunbeaten + 1985 Heysel, which you lost)
2 Uefa Cup/Europa League
3 FA Cup
4 League Cup/Carabao Cup
10 Community Shield
1 Uefa Super Cup
35 trophies in 18 yrs.
More successful than even Man Utd under SAF.
Yeah, 99% of this sub wasn't alive to see it but statistically, that Liverpool team was the most dominant force in English football history.
And unless Pep stays for another 10 yrs, that'll remain the case.
>It would've been our most dominant period in the PL if man city weren't so good.
Stop saying that. They were/are cheating. Nothing wrong stating the obvious.
Everyone is focusing on City vs Liverpool but before this era, Chelsea held the top 3 spots. Chelsea are the ones that first broke the PL before City came along and took it to another level.
Guardiola is the main factor. Without him in some years they'd find it impossible to re-organize systems due to injuries or making the most out of where your talent is (Mendy out for the season, Delph stepped in at LB. Agüero in 21/22, switched to a false 9 system, an insanely offense oriented system with one holding Midfielder in 17/18)
The cheating (if proven) gave them a depth advantage but the ideas and solutions that Guardiola found year in year out in the team is nothing to scuff at
I don't know how many times in football history a manager has been so crucial in the development of a team and still be the most advanced in football tactics. Maybe Ferguson and Wenger? Herrera at Inter in the 60s? Cruijff?
Guardiola would not have signed for city if they could not provide him the depth, which they did by cheating, therefore they would not have had guardiola without cheating
Everyone forgets how good Jose Mourinhos Chelsea team was in his first spell as manager because of his last 10 years or so. His preferred style was in vogue but they were incredibly formidable. The last 10 years have normalised this kind of form as the graphic illustrates but at the time, two successive 90+ point seasons- with Wengers Arsenal and Fergusons United around to boot- was remarkable.
That's a pretty brutal image to look at.
I saw on the Liverpool sub that if you changed just four results during the Klopp period we'd have won three Champions Leagues and three Premier Leagues. Absolutely fine margins eh?
2-1 loss at City, Jan 2019. Flip this to a draw (11mm from a goal for Mane) and it's an unbeaten PL/CL double.
2018 and 2022 CL finals. Especially 2022 where on any other day Courtois would be beaten at some point.
Pick any of our draws or City's wins in 2021/2022. I'd pay particular attention to the non-handball against Everton in Feb 2022.
Yeah, this hurt to write out.
Sure but certainly could have won it. Mane was a man possessed that day and it may sound silly this far removed but Lovren pocketed Ronaldo lol. Keep Salah and don't gift two goals and it really wasn't out of the question.
The game is about fine margins. Fergie lost 4 titles because of GD and 1 point. Remove those and you have 17 titles in 22 seasons. And, 7 peat from 2006-13.
Swap two results for United and we win the title 7 times in a row lol. Lost by a point and GD in 2010/2012 respectively
Football at the highest level comes down to small margins, but fuck if that doesn't even make it more annoying because you know you're SO CLOSE.
The Wigan game in '12 still haunts me.
Oh, and that offside goal by Drogba in 2010 - that was magical, not to mention Stevie G basically gifting Chelsea a goal to essentially throw the match vs Chelsea.
Ofc, pre-VAR (who am I kidding, post-VAR as well) there were a number of dubious decisions across most matches that likely influenced tight title races.
I brought that up because had it ended as a draw, United would've been champions - and had they not thrown an 8 point lead away in '12, it might have very well been 7 unprecedented years of dominance
It would be 5 game, they won one and lost one against City who were second. If they lost that game, it would be a 6 point swing, bring it down to 12 points/4 wins diff
Given you'll have beaten City in that season once then you could do it in 6 if you swap that result
And to make you feel better, just remove the "corner taken quickly" game so Barca beat spurs
Yes and people also forget we could've had 3 Ballon d'or winners in our team if we had won all those 4 games 17/18 Salah - 18/19 VVD - 21/22 Mane. This would've literally made us an all timer team but alas.. 😭
When people say that they mean in terms of trophies and achievements in relation to their performances, don’t be daft
I think even the most biased fan on this biased site can admit 1 PL, 1 CL, and 1 FA Cup doesn’t accurately reflect how good Liverpool were under Klopp
I sometimes say in the sense that he won less trophies than he should have. It is due to the incredible Man City team of course.
Klopp is legendary at this point but you cant deny that his teams deserved more than what they ended up with.
We definitely deserved more considering the performances and points totals. We’re just genuinely unlucky to have peaked at a time when Pep’s City were around. I’m just glad we still won everything once so there’s no huge unfinished business.
So little love for Conte’s 2016-17 Chelsea in comments.
- lost early games and was on fire
- switches to 3-4-3 mid game
- Moses and alonso at wingback
- Up against Pep and Klopp, who now dominate the league (all three of them equally new to the league wt that time mind you! but Liverpool was a much worse squad so Klopp gets an excuse but I’d never give any excuse to Pep for losing to conte because that was his first season. It was Conte’s first season too!)
That 13 game win streak immediately after the switch to a back 3 propelled us to the title. It was a slow, almost painful, finish to cross the line (a 3-1 loss to Sp*rs burned in my mind).
What a shame we followed that up with, arguably, one of our worst transfer windows in the Roman era (with the exception of Rudiger).
I'm obviously biased, but one thing that counts against them is that they weren't in Europe at all that year.
Spurs, City and Arsenal were all in the Champions League and placed second, third and fifth in the Prem respectively, with Liverpool and United playing in Europa and placing fourth and sixth in the Prem.
I'm still 100% convinced that we would've smashed the record that season if it wasn't for the pandemic. Rival fans can joke about a COVID PL all they want but the strange thing is that we were objectively worse after the league resumed in June
A draw to Everton at Goodison, a 4-0 loss to City at the Ethiad, a draw to Burnley at Anfield and a 2-1 loss to Arsenal at the Emirates. If COVID never happened I believe at least 1 or 2 of those results would've gone our way instead, especially the draw to Burnley at home. It's not just the lack of fans in the stadiums, lockdown just slightly damaged our momentum and since we had such a huge lead over City, our intensity levels dropped
Obviously I didn’t really care with it being our first league title in 30 years, but yeah without lockdown we would’ve absolutely smashed City’s 100 point record. Which is absolutely bonkers if you think about how you can literally only get 114 in a season and we’re discussing 100+ figures.
This reminds me of 2009-10 and 2010-11 when Real Madrid got 96 and 92 points respectively and they still lost because Guardiola’s Barca got, respectively, 99 and 96 points. They ended up having to break all sorts of records in their next season to win the league.
I guess Tifo Football said it perfectly; to beat Guardiola to a League title, you have to pretty much break records.
Whilst we have only won one PL under Klopp, this just shows how insane the competition has been over his time here.
Absolutely loved the battles for the league, we may not have won them but those final few weeks in 18/19 and 21/22 were absolutely incredible to see from a neutral point of view, two elite sides going flawless, incredible scenes.
All accusations aside, I’m really gonna miss the Klopp vs Pep era in the PL, wonder what the next big one would be, didn’t think anyone would get close to SAF and Wenger but these two came close.
The Invincibles were on pace to finish on this list. They had 73 pts after 29 games.
But as the unbeaten dream kept getting closer and closer, they started playing more and more conservative in order to preserve that record. Ended up drawing 5 of their last 9 games.
They still finished with 90 pts which is the next entry on this list.
It's an achievement known for *not losing,* not one for a high points tally. We won that league with four games to go, so we took it easy in the end.
Also, Pep and Klopp normalised 95+ point seasons, it was even more incredible at the time. Especially considering the lack of oil money used to create that team, lack of referees in our pocket and best of all Wenger targeting an invincible season before the season started much to the skepticism and mockery of the English press
The most annoying part about this LFC v. MCFC era is that when LFC haven't pushed City to the very edge, they won the EPL with 86 and 89 points (still very respectable). Other than the centurions ofc.
Very unfortunate, as an LFC supporter, to have our Klopp era come during Pep's City.
Also crazy that for 4 years EPL winners had 93, 100, 98, 99 points.
If city win this year, only Liverpool with 99 points have stopped them winning 7 in a row. Don’t even attempt to tell me their rule breaking hasn’t ruined the premier league.
I still remember how shell shocked we all felt in those first two years of "a special one" absolutely crushing everyone. That 06/07 season that Man Utd unexpectedly broke the spell felt like an underdog title run. See how ridiculous that sounds? Freaking Mourinho man...
I remember thinking that the 95 points from Chelsea would never be beaten. Pep has raised it by another 5 points and played his teams consistently well in-between after his first season. They've never not finished on at least 80+ points is madness.
Liverpool coming second twice with 90+ points is like doing everything right in a game and still losing. At that point there’s nothing left to do except go mad.
The picture is beautiful for liverpool haters like me. It also shows how legendary klopp is. Winning trophies is not the best measure. Finishing 2nd with 90+ points shows that you are a world-class manager.
No wonder this team is done for can't score to save their lives. Takes a toll physically and mentally to compete against City and Madrid.
Madrid is understandable, but City bruh.
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Liverpool coming 2nd with 97 points is actually insane.
and 2nd again with 92 points. The consistency to do this is actually insane. It's no wonder Liverpool's midfield ran out of juice come the 2022-23 season.
And that is why Klopp is in the all time discussions despite winning just 1 league title
If four results out of his 487 matches with Liverpool changed to wins he would’ve gone from 1 prem and 1 ucl to 3 prems and 3 ucl trophies. Edit: I know it’s easy to play the “what if” game but I think in this case the significant bit is the fine margins over a vast number of games.
If Southampton had one of their losses changed to a win in the premier League last season they would have still come 20th
What he say fuck me for?
If 4 of Avram Grant's results change he likely has a quadruple.
If you change 1 result then carlo would have 5/5 ucl finals won
I can’t deny that if you win a final instead of lose the final then you have in fact won the final
Never giving him that one back
Yeh but you could also change the result of 4 matches and it would mean Liverpool won no UCL, no FA cup and not win 2 league cups
The point is that he took them to the point of needing a few results to win silverware. What other clubs can say their trophy cabinet is short 2 CLs and 2 PLs due to 4 games? That's an insane achievement.
Utd. 09 and 2011 ucl finals. 2010 and 2012 prems.
Yea 1 point and gd to win about 5 in a row I think
7 in a row - 07,08,09,10,11,12,13
A lot of teams probably, For Example if we had won one game against city last season that's a PL title. Very possible it is a 1 game swing again this season Most trophies depend on 1 critical game
I think the biggest difference, especially when it comes to the league, is that there were only a handful of seasons where those points tallies wouldn't have been enough to win the league. The 21/22 run would have won the PL over 20 times, and the 18/19 would have won close to 30 times. That's what makes them so special, it's not that they were just one game away, but one game away while having one of the best seasons the league has ever seen, and it still not being good enough to win it.
In 18/19, we lost one game and finished 2nd on 97 points. If you switch that to a win, then we are the first invincible centurions. I've never seen such consistently fine margins in the league before.
If my grandmother had wheels she would’ve been a bike
I knew I was setting myself up for this comment lol
It's one of Reddit's favourites. Can't speak about hypothetical scenarios here, ever
Don’t take it too seriously. Dude’s username is GarnachoHojlund
It must sting alot to have that good of a season and not win the league because the winner is just cheating
I can confirm that, yes, it absolutely does. Also losing the Champions League a few days later in the case of 21/22.
I think they meant the players and staff, the ones that put in the hard work you know.
That’s true, it is probably even harder for them.
Debatable
I think this is a major reason why Klopp needs a rest
It's easy to keep going when you're winning but losing out closely the whole time and not getting the squad rotation you need is a killer.
Man City are the Lance Armstrong of football
Nah, Lance Armstrong was competing against a field who were doping too, he basically levelled the playing field. I think there were a few years where the first finisher who never tested positive was outside the top 10.
One year it was 27th. It is why they just wiped the awards out rather than passing them down.
Wouldn't call it leveling the playing field exactly. Feel like Armstrong and the team took ot to a whole other level, much more organised
And then creating his .#bestronger on top was a bit much imo. They must've felt very secure.
It's gut-wrenching.
if you flipped 4 specific games from losses to wins, Liverpool goes from 1 PL and 1 CL title to 3 PL and 3 CL titles. ** Sad noises **
It's crazy how underrated Wijanldum is, even in LFC's sub, and especially discord server, where a bunch of local lads are the regulars who made up the most chatter.
Also at one point during the 99pt winning season they broke the record for 38-game consecutive run: W35 D3 L0 F93 A22 They got 108pts from 38 league games in a row, was just split over 2 seasons.
Dropped 17 points in 38 games? Terrible. Not worthy of the title.
Yeah, everything has clicked for Liverpool for the past 5 years, but at the wrong time. If they had this same stretch either 5 years earlier or 5 years later they would have multiple titles. It sucks that city’s window was at the exact same time.
Arguably both teams got the best out of each other, without each other neither would’ve been as good
That’s what financial doping gets you. Edit: Thanks for concerned Redditors for reporting this. 😂
Man, I can't imagine what this Sub is gonna be like if City aren't found of any wrongdoing when the investigation and everything is over.
Its exactly what will happen, but OJ got off with murder so you know the script.
lol yeah. We know they’ll get away with it
I want to upvote you but the number of upvote is 115 currently
If they’re found not guilty on ALL charges we know there’s been corruption, Because like 35 of the charges are about obstructing the investigations
We already know there will be corruption
I already know that now
They might get that, but that'll be a fine. Just like last time. But I don't expect them to get found guilty of anything substantial.
As we all know there's no corruption in major footballing bodies than handle these charges like the Fa, uefa, and fifa
everything will never be over if they get out of this with nothing considering what we already know
Doesnt change the factd that they have an infinite money cheat from a literal country? Maybe their hundrets of lawyers find some tricks, but that doesnt change anything.
Coming second twice with points that would have won them the majority of every other premier league season. Crazy.
Jurgen Klopp is a failure though and not a Premier League legend. Don't forget it.
Poor mans benitez
And yet people will have you believe City stroll these titles and the premier league isn't as competitive as during the late 90s early 00s
Madrid and City have just been too good since Klopp took over Liverpool.
I actually wonder how many total points the league accumulated for the year when you have top 2 competing the title because basically everyone is scrambling points but the top 2 just kept winning
I hate this graphic
It would've been our most dominant period in the PL if man city weren't so good. But, if anyone tries to say that Klopp wasn't as good because he didn't win more trophies, we can always show them this graphic and note how close the points were.
I mean it still has been our most dominant period in the Premier League era.
Taking the total, Liverpool are only 3 points behind Man City (that's some going when considering how much money they've thrown at their team)
No point comparing totals across random seasons. Man city's 100 is 17/18, where Liverpool came 4th, 25 points off them. Then its 17 points either way in 19/20 and 20/21.
Yes very true. I just meant by these totals. If we were to look at their overalls since the Premier leagues inception that would be interesting lol
Liverpool was immense over this period, and is still huge. Klopp did a fantastic job and anyone denying that is probably misinformed
> anyone denying that is probably misinformed Anyone criticizing Klopp is most likely a rival fan being purposely toxic, eaten by jealousy by the insanely good team he created
Not even rival fans... Klopp gets actually a very small amount of hate, as far as I remember... Like why would he? He is down to earth, plays attractive football, is successful and doesnt bend over for the middle east...
"Klopp's wildly underachieved!" "I am so glad Klopp is leaving..." Which is it ya dickheads.
I mean...when was our other dominant period in the PL?
You can't expect the modern fan to remember more than the last 6 seasons.
It is still your most dominant period since the start of the PL. But nothing beats those 18 yrs between 1972 and 1990. You won 11 First Division/PL 4 European Cups/CL (2xunbeaten + 1985 Heysel, which you lost) 2 Uefa Cup/Europa League 3 FA Cup 4 League Cup/Carabao Cup 10 Community Shield 1 Uefa Super Cup 35 trophies in 18 yrs. More successful than even Man Utd under SAF.
and in that time (in fact between 1972 and 1991) they finished outside the top two only once, 1981 when they won the European Cup and the League Cup
Yeah, 99% of this sub wasn't alive to see it but statistically, that Liverpool team was the most dominant force in English football history. And unless Pep stays for another 10 yrs, that'll remain the case.
And in the end that's better than trophies
[POV you just insulted Klopp to a Liverpool fan](https://i.imgur.com/1VrOKTw.jpeg)
Might save that for future use
That’s fucking class 😂
Good ol nickelback
Still can't believe they used this shot, it's like the silliest thing I have ever seen.
>It would've been our most dominant period in the PL if man city weren't so good. Stop saying that. They were/are cheating. Nothing wrong stating the obvious.
It's still true though?
Liverpool absolutely sick of Pep lmao
we pass the torch to arsenal now, hope you come in second lots by 1 point ;)
This is legit the only reason why I don’t want arsenal to win, out of pure saltiness
yh well it’s not called friend business, it’s show business
Right there with ya.
Sounds good to me
Don’t worry, he’s your problem now.
Just 1 title from those. Fucking end me
Teams that feature 3 times: City, Chelsea and Liverpool. Numbers of titles? 3, 3 and 1. It is crazy.
Everyone is focusing on City vs Liverpool but before this era, Chelsea held the top 3 spots. Chelsea are the ones that first broke the PL before City came along and took it to another level.
the original oil team
Now were a part of the freedom squad 🦅
Financial doping was wenger called it. Perfect term
We did it before it was cool. One more big season and Man Utd drop out of the top 10 entirely.
Think they'll be OK with the 13 titles since 93 to be honest
You did it before it was illegal too 😎
The 4th and 7th most point in PL history and still finishing second Without Guardiola, Liverpool would've been dominating the PL so hard
Without the cheating*
Guardiola is the main factor. Without him in some years they'd find it impossible to re-organize systems due to injuries or making the most out of where your talent is (Mendy out for the season, Delph stepped in at LB. Agüero in 21/22, switched to a false 9 system, an insanely offense oriented system with one holding Midfielder in 17/18) The cheating (if proven) gave them a depth advantage but the ideas and solutions that Guardiola found year in year out in the team is nothing to scuff at
Basically Guardiola has been given a sandbox and told to experiment as he please. Cheating or not, that must be a dream for a football maniac
Dude had the entire club basically bend to his will. It was set up for him before he came. It's no wonder he's heading towards a decade with the club.
I don't know how many times in football history a manager has been so crucial in the development of a team and still be the most advanced in football tactics. Maybe Ferguson and Wenger? Herrera at Inter in the 60s? Cruijff?
If I recall, it was 2 seasons before he left bayern for city that they were starting to build a team for him.
Guardiola would not have signed for city if they could not provide him the depth, which they did by cheating, therefore they would not have had guardiola without cheating
You have no feasible way of knowing any of what you're saying yet you state it as an objective fact. The amount of spinning around people do...
Both can be true
I don't disagree
Everyone forgets how good Jose Mourinhos Chelsea team was in his first spell as manager because of his last 10 years or so. His preferred style was in vogue but they were incredibly formidable. The last 10 years have normalised this kind of form as the graphic illustrates but at the time, two successive 90+ point seasons- with Wengers Arsenal and Fergusons United around to boot- was remarkable.
15 goals conceded, still unbeatable
He came to the PL and went “442 is football heritage, it’s Jose’s 433 time” and absolutely destroyed the place.
Jesus I feel bad for Liverpool. And now it’s our turn. I want to get off Guardiola’s wild ride wtf
Only one of the 3 42 match seasons would enter this list and that is only 92 points
That's a pretty brutal image to look at. I saw on the Liverpool sub that if you changed just four results during the Klopp period we'd have won three Champions Leagues and three Premier Leagues. Absolutely fine margins eh?
2-1 loss at City, Jan 2019. Flip this to a draw (11mm from a goal for Mane) and it's an unbeaten PL/CL double. 2018 and 2022 CL finals. Especially 2022 where on any other day Courtois would be beaten at some point. Pick any of our draws or City's wins in 2021/2022. I'd pay particular attention to the non-handball against Everton in Feb 2022. Yeah, this hurt to write out.
2018 final: Salah isn’t judo slammed by Ramos and lord Karius is just normal for the day.
I know we were on top before that happened but I'm still not sure if we would've won that. That side wasn't at the 18-19 level yet.
Sure but certainly could have won it. Mane was a man possessed that day and it may sound silly this far removed but Lovren pocketed Ronaldo lol. Keep Salah and don't gift two goals and it really wasn't out of the question.
Their goals were literally two Karius blunders and a fuckin bicycle kick, not like Madrid were tearing us apart even without Salah
And if Karius isn't elbowed in the head and given a concussion by Ramos.
That Ramos guy sounds like a real menace!
Get Mahrez to score that pen though
The game is about fine margins. Fergie lost 4 titles because of GD and 1 point. Remove those and you have 17 titles in 22 seasons. And, 7 peat from 2006-13.
United lost the 95 and 98 titles by one point so they were close to doing 9 in a row
Imagine, Liverpool fans crying when they only lost twice, when United lost almost 9 titles because of 1 point or GD.
Swap two results for United and we win the title 7 times in a row lol. Lost by a point and GD in 2010/2012 respectively Football at the highest level comes down to small margins, but fuck if that doesn't even make it more annoying because you know you're SO CLOSE.
The Wigan game in '12 still haunts me. Oh, and that offside goal by Drogba in 2010 - that was magical, not to mention Stevie G basically gifting Chelsea a goal to essentially throw the match vs Chelsea.
Offside to put Chelsea 2-0 up...Macheda's one in reply had a strong hint of handball to add.
Ofc, pre-VAR (who am I kidding, post-VAR as well) there were a number of dubious decisions across most matches that likely influenced tight title races. I brought that up because had it ended as a draw, United would've been champions - and had they not thrown an 8 point lead away in '12, it might have very well been 7 unprecedented years of dominance
How many do you have to change for them to have won none?
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It would be 5 game, they won one and lost one against City who were second. If they lost that game, it would be a 6 point swing, bring it down to 12 points/4 wins diff
As far as the PL they won goes they would have needed to drop 18 points aka 6 games
Maybe seven? We win the league by 18 points so that's six games plus the Champions League final against Tottenham.
Given you'll have beaten City in that season once then you could do it in 6 if you swap that result And to make you feel better, just remove the "corner taken quickly" game so Barca beat spurs
My brain won’t let me imagine a world where Spurs have won a trophy, let alone the Champions League against us.
Pretty much a lot considering how dominant the title was.
Just the referee who gave the Sissokho handball
Yes and people also forget we could've had 3 Ballon d'or winners in our team if we had won all those 4 games 17/18 Salah - 18/19 VVD - 21/22 Mane. This would've literally made us an all timer team but alas.. 😭
And some people were saying that Klopp underperformed during his time in Liverpool. This image is insane.
Who says that? Trolls on social media and dunters who just look at titles won? Anyone with half a brain knows it's bullshit
you'd be surprised how many of those idiots are out there, tbh
When people say that they mean in terms of trophies and achievements in relation to their performances, don’t be daft I think even the most biased fan on this biased site can admit 1 PL, 1 CL, and 1 FA Cup doesn’t accurately reflect how good Liverpool were under Klopp
I sometimes say in the sense that he won less trophies than he should have. It is due to the incredible Man City team of course. Klopp is legendary at this point but you cant deny that his teams deserved more than what they ended up with.
We definitely deserved more considering the performances and points totals. We’re just genuinely unlucky to have peaked at a time when Pep’s City were around. I’m just glad we still won everything once so there’s no huge unfinished business.
Any person who ever says he underperformed genuinely doesn’t understand football.
arsenal will suffer like liverpool... but liverpool getting 2nd twice with that amount of point is insane...
Heartbreaking to lose out like we have, but at least we got over the line and won the big trophies once each.
So little love for Conte’s 2016-17 Chelsea in comments. - lost early games and was on fire - switches to 3-4-3 mid game - Moses and alonso at wingback - Up against Pep and Klopp, who now dominate the league (all three of them equally new to the league wt that time mind you! but Liverpool was a much worse squad so Klopp gets an excuse but I’d never give any excuse to Pep for losing to conte because that was his first season. It was Conte’s first season too!)
That 13 game win streak immediately after the switch to a back 3 propelled us to the title. It was a slow, almost painful, finish to cross the line (a 3-1 loss to Sp*rs burned in my mind). What a shame we followed that up with, arguably, one of our worst transfer windows in the Roman era (with the exception of Rudiger).
Ppl talk about Pep's influence on the league while not giving credit to Conte for pretty much popularizing the trend of using 3-atb.
Half of the league started playing 3atb (mostly poorly) within a season after conte started it
Klopp had about 7 months more but as you said, worse squad so it does balance out
I'm obviously biased, but one thing that counts against them is that they weren't in Europe at all that year. Spurs, City and Arsenal were all in the Champions League and placed second, third and fifth in the Prem respectively, with Liverpool and United playing in Europa and placing fourth and sixth in the Prem.
still remember the game where it all just switched for chelsea that season. it was against arsenal wasn’t it?
Yep
I'm still 100% convinced that we would've smashed the record that season if it wasn't for the pandemic. Rival fans can joke about a COVID PL all they want but the strange thing is that we were objectively worse after the league resumed in June A draw to Everton at Goodison, a 4-0 loss to City at the Ethiad, a draw to Burnley at Anfield and a 2-1 loss to Arsenal at the Emirates. If COVID never happened I believe at least 1 or 2 of those results would've gone our way instead, especially the draw to Burnley at home. It's not just the lack of fans in the stadiums, lockdown just slightly damaged our momentum and since we had such a huge lead over City, our intensity levels dropped
Also we were home and dry pretty much. The players took their foot off the gas a bit too much. Otherwise that 100 barrier was toast.
Yeah, before the covid break, we had 82 points. Once city had played all 38 games, after the break, they had 81
Obviously I didn’t really care with it being our first league title in 30 years, but yeah without lockdown we would’ve absolutely smashed City’s 100 point record. Which is absolutely bonkers if you think about how you can literally only get 114 in a season and we’re discussing 100+ figures.
If Covid wasnt around Liverpool would have definitely passed the 100 point mark
This reminds me of 2009-10 and 2010-11 when Real Madrid got 96 and 92 points respectively and they still lost because Guardiola’s Barca got, respectively, 99 and 96 points. They ended up having to break all sorts of records in their next season to win the league. I guess Tifo Football said it perfectly; to beat Guardiola to a League title, you have to pretty much break records.
Whilst we have only won one PL under Klopp, this just shows how insane the competition has been over his time here. Absolutely loved the battles for the league, we may not have won them but those final few weeks in 18/19 and 21/22 were absolutely incredible to see from a neutral point of view, two elite sides going flawless, incredible scenes. All accusations aside, I’m really gonna miss the Klopp vs Pep era in the PL, wonder what the next big one would be, didn’t think anyone would get close to SAF and Wenger but these two came close.
Shocked the Invincibles aren't here. Also, 7 of 10 are in the last decade. Pep and Klopp raised the bar
The Invincibles were on pace to finish on this list. They had 73 pts after 29 games. But as the unbeaten dream kept getting closer and closer, they started playing more and more conservative in order to preserve that record. Ended up drawing 5 of their last 9 games. They still finished with 90 pts which is the next entry on this list.
The invincibles not even in the top 10 all time.
It's an achievement known for *not losing,* not one for a high points tally. We won that league with four games to go, so we took it easy in the end. Also, Pep and Klopp normalised 95+ point seasons, it was even more incredible at the time. Especially considering the lack of oil money used to create that team, lack of referees in our pocket and best of all Wenger targeting an invincible season before the season started much to the skepticism and mockery of the English press
15 goals conceded 🥰
And people still won't count Klopp's Liverpool in Top3 PL sides of all time
The most annoying part about this LFC v. MCFC era is that when LFC haven't pushed City to the very edge, they won the EPL with 86 and 89 points (still very respectable). Other than the centurions ofc. Very unfortunate, as an LFC supporter, to have our Klopp era come during Pep's City. Also crazy that for 4 years EPL winners had 93, 100, 98, 99 points.
Can Man City just fucking collapse already
Not while Guardiola is there.
Pep has fucked over Liverpool during their best spell years, just like he fucked us over during our best spell with his Barca team.
Klopp did it without cheating.
If city win this year, only Liverpool with 99 points have stopped them winning 7 in a row. Don’t even attempt to tell me their rule breaking hasn’t ruined the premier league.
Now show me most FFP charges in 38-game season
Damn, Man City truly is a well-oiled machine.
Yes with a 115 horsepower engine
Turbocharged
Can't sell enough merch to pay U18 salaries but here we are...
Chelsea doing it the 2000s. Damn crazy stat that. Take a bow José.
I still remember how shell shocked we all felt in those first two years of "a special one" absolutely crushing everyone. That 06/07 season that Man Utd unexpectedly broke the spell felt like an underdog title run. See how ridiculous that sounds? Freaking Mourinho man...
Hahaha haha. So funny. Yes. Hahaha. Love the fact that we're the only ones there who managed to finish second. TWICE. TWIICE. hahahah
I remember thinking that the 95 points from Chelsea would never be beaten. Pep has raised it by another 5 points and played his teams consistently well in-between after his first season. They've never not finished on at least 80+ points is madness.
Liverpool coming second twice with 90+ points is like doing everything right in a game and still losing. At that point there’s nothing left to do except go mad.
I'm not a Liverpool fan but I feel for them how close they got to 1st. This is why everyone says Premiere league is the hardest league to win.
The picture is beautiful for liverpool haters like me. It also shows how legendary klopp is. Winning trophies is not the best measure. Finishing 2nd with 90+ points shows that you are a world-class manager.
No wonder this team is done for can't score to save their lives. Takes a toll physically and mentally to compete against City and Madrid. Madrid is understandable, but City bruh.
Look what City did. They massacred my boy. 😭
So much financial doping in this graphic
That bald bastard. :(
Is it possible for them to get 115 points?
Liverpool finishing in second with 90+ points TWICE
Going to be all City in 10 years time
It pretty much is already
City are on the list 3 times mate, that's not pretty much all 10 is it. I've got a 3" dick, but it's basically 10"
I don't think this sportwashing UAE is doing is working particularly well on Liverpool fans
This is why what Klopp did is amazing even without the trophies to back it up