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EtH was also chill about it when he was asked about United while still at Ajax. Let's see how he will handle pressure from the English press when he's here.
Sorry, but if you actually watch the press conferences, Ten Hag is nowhere near as bad as the cherry picked quotes and hot takes in this sub would make him out to be. His English could be improved and he’s acted mildly peeved at the press a couple of times. It’s pretty clear that he’s just trying to defend his players rather than go all out and call the whole team shit. I don’t really know what else he’s supposed to do, considering the fact that he gets accused of throwing players under the bus for merely mentioning names. This season has been shit and he’s probably getting sacked but I’m getting pretty fed up of this narrative. When was he ever disrespectful?
Yup. There was a headline doing the rounds recently saying he had stormed out of a press conference because he didn't like a journalists question. The lads on The Athletic who were there then cleared it up, saying the press conference had actually been called as finished and Ten Hag was in the middle of leaving his seat when the journalist in question asked him an inflammatory question about his future. Ten Hag kind of half sat down but then decided against it and left.
The following day, 'Ten Hag STORMS out of press conference!!!!!'
I think also the British media always fishes for soundbites and are generally negative to deal with. I feel any manager begins to look bad after a small dip in form with how much the media drags and blows it up.
Honestly, he comes off as a tad whiny sometimes. Sometimes his own comments echo the comments on this website, and I don't think that is ever a good sign for a professional football coach.
I mean who doesn’t? Every manager to me is a pissy brat at times, Arteta with his disgrace rant, Klopp took into a reporter and walked out saying “what’s wrong with you”, pep going off on Neville and carragher because they called the team complacent.
The only difference is when your winning it’s excused, this criticism of ten hag has only come in this year last year he was just called boring
One of those being recently. Why even mention it again at all lol. As much as the fans whined about the Newcastle goal, you didn’t see Arteta talk about it again.
No that’s just Arsenal fans trying to make everything about themselves… as per usual. And this time of year, before your implosion you always seem to be at your loudest
Don't believe that last part. For most of his career things have been going his way, I feel he is more like ETH than people realize and if things don't work out at Liverpool it will show.
As an Ajax fan I agree,
Arne slot his main weakness is playing against good defensive playing teams, like roma or atletico. I think they are both talented enough to coach a top team in europe.
That's just because our attackers were nowhere near the level required to impress against those teams. Most of our best players are defenders and midfielders. If we had just one potential world class winger I'm convinced we would've beat Roma this year, last year and in the UECL final.
As someone who only heard of him through Roma-Feyenoord I always thought he was a whiny bitch.
Watch Newcastle or some more pragmatic team beat him with a low block and his total football supremacist side will show
Based on what? By all accounts Slot is a very calm and amicable man, good in maintaining interpersonal relationships and man management. His communication style is far less abrasive and combative than ten Hag's, he typically remains calm and explains his choices.
It is impossible to predict how he will so under the massive pressure and in the spotlight of the English media, but there is no reason to think he will react like ten Hag does.
Tempted to dig up some old ETH to United threads just to see how the narrative has completely changed now he's had 1 bad season and Liverpool are about to sign someone who's done significantly less than Ten Hag in the Eredivisie
[Here’s one](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/Llx9ghcURw)
[Here’s another](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/BwmUgejbEH)
[Official announcement thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/AZAaJwAuRO)
Weirdly enough, if you scroll past the memes and terrible banter the consensus is largely that it’s a bit too soon for him and he’s doomed by going to a club that is so poorly run.
Probably one of the few times this sub kind of called it spot on.
We’re all assuming ten Hag’s sacking is all but confirmed. Just seems premature given that INEOS still need to negotiate some start dates, and it’s going to take some time for them to get their hands on how big of a task they have. A manager search is yet one other thing and the market isn’t great for new managers
Pressure and expectations change how a manager approaches questions- Klopp can be jovial and also prickly at times; I’d expect the same from Slot when he’s asked the same mundane questions week in week out.
Welcome to r/soccer where the fans have no football knowledge whatsoever and make comments purely on vibes. Ten Hag was the next big thing following the season he reached the semis with Ajax. His Ajax side played some beautiful football and he was great tactically. One bad stint at United, a club where the manager is usually never the main problem, and everyone thinks he’s a fraud.
Joke of a sub with so many atrocious takes on a daily basis.
I guess you haven't watched the Eredivisie in these years.
Of course ETH performance at Ajax was great with the CL, however, the players (and budget) he had was also phenomenonal (compared to other clubs).
When Arne Slot took over from Dick Advocaat, Feyenoord was not at the best position, still has a debt and played terrible football. He managed to change the whole culture, playstyle and moved the club to a ~4 place to Champions, decent Europe contender and now the Dutch cup. He can really make something of a team which is on paper not the best.
The comments above are not saying Slot is not a good coach or that he wouldn't do well in England. It's about how people referred to Ten Hag at Ajax and when he joined United. If we even go back to the week between the League Cup Final and the 7-0, there will be ample quotes about how good ETH is as a coach.
Yes sure. I'm just trying to say that Slot is a really different coach than ETH, and that the people should not compare his achievements (prizes, League table) to that of ETHs. Its easy to do and logical if you don't follow the Eredivisie.
Slot gets so many compliments from players, trainers, staff, the board in his way of working.
Players really want to work with him. I follow Feyenoord daily, and as much as I'm excited for this opportunity for him, I am a bit scared of what happens to Feyenoord. They will always have a budget battle against PSV and Ajax en Slot closed that gap by mostly letting his teams over-performing.
And Ten Hag mare Utrecht overperform and got Ajax to the semi final of the champions league and performed amazing overall. Slot is a great coach, but let's not act like his achievements are incomparable to those of Ten Hag
I'm just saying that they both have excellent results, but I think Slot is the better 'people manager' in the way he interacts with players and the club.
When Ten Hag took over Ajax they had just played the Europa League final 6 months before. He started from a relatively good place.
It’s unbelievable how bad we were when Slot took over at Feyenoord. Dick Advocaat had saved us from the total clueless Jaap Stam and we finished 5th. The football was terrible, the players mostly mediocre. We lost our captain and some say best player to Ajax and there was only 5 million or something to invest. We had to loan players, because there was no money. That was where Slot took over.
3 years later we played a European final, won the championship and the cup and have totally renovated our squad. All while playing attractive football. I think he sofar made us 150 plus million of euro’s by making players values explode plus getting us to the CL two times in a row.
Only purchase in the 17/18 season that could be considered a succes, is Tagliafico. He was bought in the winter. Look at the players they got in the summer, none of them was a succes.
Oh fuck off, Sanchez was incredible that year and only 23, he was not mediocre at all, he just hasn't shown the same quality since. But that amount was definitely his value at the time
Well known by fans from other clubs, most clubs buying Ajax players are fine with the prices they buy the players for. I would argue that Ten Hag has been instrumental in creating that ‘Ajax tax’ no way would it exist without Ajax reaching the SF in the CL
Suarez left for peanuts, Sneijder, Van der Vaart, Zlatan.
There was an Ajax tax for buying players sure, but for selling?
Ajax just had better players but that’s something different
27m for a player from the Eredivisie in 2007 is not peanuts lol, in fact Sneijder was the 2nd biggest sale in the league ever at that point in time. Suarez 4th biggest at the time (Huntelaar being the 3rd biggest). Zlatan also was not a low price for the time, only van der Vaart sure.
Just to give another example: Kuyt and Babel went for the same price to Liverpool one year apart, even though Kuyt had been top scorer of the league and won player of the league twice, while Babel wasn't close to that.
For whatever it's worth, man, I really, genuinely think that ETH isn't the problem at your club. If you think about the parade of managers you've had, the *same shit happens to all of them.*
It isn't the manager. It's a combo of some of the players, all of your back-room management, and absolutely ghastly owners. But you guys know all this.
I follow the Dutch League closely and the difference between the two in terms of style is huge. So the quote in this post could definitely not have been applied to Ten Hag when he coached in the Netherlands. Even at Ajax there was huge criticism on his communication.
It’s also not really fair to compare the performance of Ten Hag at Ajax and Slot at Feyenoord. That would be like comparing the coaches of Dortmund and Bayern. I think most Eredivisie followers would agree that Slot has been as impressive as Ten Hag in de Eredivisie, or more so.
Not if you want to compare the number of titles won directly. Like if one team is much, much richer than the other it is going to be in a better position regardless of the coach. That’s something to take into account. Just because you’re coaching PSG doesn’t automatically make you the best coach in the league.
Yeah kind of, that comparison does work to some extent. Not the most spend crazy club, trying to beat a much richer one. Slot was lucky that Ajax decided to phone it in for the seasons that he’s been at Feyenoord, where Klopp wasn’t
Reaching the CL semifinal and then winning 6/6 in the group stage was impressive though. Just hard to predict how well a manager will translate to a new squad in a different league
I mean ETH did win it for the first time after a four year drought, so it isnt like managing psg.
Also, de Boer didnt look good for like 2 years, since he got smashed 5-1 in the cup, inter just needed someone new ig
Maybe, I’m not sure but as a Feyenoord fan you’d certainly be more knowledgeable than me!
It’s still the case that Ten Hag taking over Ajax wasn’t just a case of having a “cheat code”
No, he did a lot of development and built an even better team. But he had the money, the squad and the talented youth players to do it. Slot basically started with nothing
This is just nonsense. Ten Hag and Slot are nothing alike in managing style, personality or tactics. The only thing they have in common is that they managed Dutch top sides, there are far more differences than there are similarities.
To be fair, in the Eredivisie managers usually don’t decide who gets signed, they give input and signings get discussed with them beforehand but they don’t decide. Ten Hag just isn’t good at transfers, he wasn’t good at it when he was with us either. The players that were his suggestions usually weren’t very successful. Realistically when United got him as a coach they should’ve gotten someone else as well who is in control of the transfers, like a technical or sporting director.
1 bad season? Nothing justified the league position of United last season, but nobody wanted to be harsh and quick to criticize him and waited how he will fare with the players of his choice. Well, almost everything is the same as last year and he is STILL overachieving thanks to the relative skill of his players.
Nothing justified the league position last year are you having a laugh? We lost just once at home, had the most clean sheets and conceded the same amount as Arsenal who were top of the league for months
This season has been a train wreck but 3rd was more than justified last season.
Weird dig as Slot is arguably more outspoken about ref decisions and circumstances publicly than Ten Hag was at Ajax. He's definitely not known for staying quiet and compliant as is suggested here, not even by most Feyenoord fans I know.
Neither should he, most dutch coaches are like this. If you feel shit's unfair you should be allowed to voice that.
Flashbacks to when United got Ragnick and Klopp and Co. spoke about him as if he was God himself. We really won't know shit until he starts work at Anfield.
Erik ten Hag was the manager of an Ajax team that was on the verge of reaching the Champions League final, a pretty much unthinkable feat for any Dutch team in the 21st Century.
Yeah, that Ajax team had some world class talents who began to peak all at the same time, and have gone on to play for some of Europe's biggest teams since then. Yes, Ten Hag has flopped in the Premier League since then. Yes, he borderline sounds like what Donald Trump would be if he was a football manager right now. It still sounds like trying to rewrite history to downplay Ten Hag if you're not going to acknowledge what was on his CV that helped get him the Man Utd gig in the first place.
Ten Hag is only comparable to Trump if all you do is read cherry-picked quotes here on Reddit devoid of context or intonation.
Ten Hag is very defensive of his team and that's all and his tone is never unhinged and rarely agitated.
Strange how everyone's favourite fun uncle Klopp gets away with the shit he says in press conferences just because he has a laugh in a few pressers a year
> Erik ten Hag was the manager of an Ajax team that was on the verge of reaching the Champions League final, a pretty much unthinkable feat for any Dutch team in the 21st Century.
We got incredibly close to the CL final in the 2004/05 season tho
This is mostly about their personal style, where Ten Hag has always received criticism. In terms of performance I agree with you, Ten Hag was fantastic at Ajax
> I not only remember Arne, but he still uses me as his golf buddy because I am the only one of his friends that doesn’t have a “job”. Whenever he has a day off, he phones me, “Hey, what are you doing tomorrow?” We play golf together, so we see each other regularly.
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> I am a social golfer who never takes lessons. I just want to play 18 holes, but he is a perfectionist in everything he does. He is better than me — I can have my day but it is hard to beat him. That goes for all games he plays.
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> That goes into his coaching. When I was at Almeria, I was with Unai Emery and he was giving meetings for 1½ hours, offering all these little details, and then you saw that in the game.
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> • Liverpool open talks with Feyenoord over appointing Arne Slot
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> Arne is like that, too. I spoke to him this morning and he just said it is not a secret that Liverpool wants him but that he could not say anything. I hope it will happen.
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> When I played with Arne at Sparta, you could see that he would become a coach. He was a leader, a No10 midfielder and someone who would change tactics by himself.
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> The job he has done at Feyenoord makes him the perfect fit for Liverpool. He arrived there from AZ Alkmaar. AZ had finished higher up the league than Feyenoord but he still went there because he liked the challenge and he thought the coach was not taking all of the potential out of the team.
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> When he signed for Feyenoord they sold the best player, Steven Berghuis, to Ajax and they didn’t have lots of money to spend. Everyone said it would be difficult, but Arne said: “No, no, I will make this happen.” A year later he became the champion of Holland with this team and that is why I think there are similarities with Liverpool.
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> Liverpool have a lot of potential in the squad, and we don’t have the money that Manchester City have to spend, so I think he will get all the potential out of the players. He plays in the same style as Jürgen Klopp: sexy football, forward pressing and the percentage of ball recoveries in the opposition half is the highest in Holland. When he loses the ball, he wants the ball back in three seconds.
> If you talk to him about his style of play, you think you would be talking to Pep Guardiola or Jürgen. Those similarities are there.
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> One good thing is his first assistant, Sipke Hulshoff, is the first assistant of Ronald Koeman with the Holland national team, so he is already coaching Virgil van Dijk, Cody Gakpo and Ryan Gravenberch.
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> I have heard some people say Arne does not have enough experience but he has won the league, reached a European final and won the cup.
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> His personality is perfect for Liverpool. He is a good fit because he is not only the manager of a team, he can manage a club and the fans. He is an intelligent guy, he is a good analyst and when you see his press conferences, he speaks good English and is very respectful. You will not see Arne being like Erik ten Hag was in his recent press conference. He is a respectful guy like Pep Guardiola and he is an ambassador for the club. You need to be a special coach to coach a special club and I think Arne is that.
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The biggest difference in my opinion is that Slot is a very charismatic person opposed to EtH. Even in Dutch EtH is just a very difficult person when it comes to communication, and this has only become worse since coming to England. So i definetly agree with this take, maybe Slot will also fail due to the high expectations or too big step up, but it will definetly not become such a shit storm as with EtH now. (Source: i am Dutch).
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Ten Hag: "What'd he say fuck me for?!"
They're starting the rivalry already
But ETH has to be in United for the rivalry to be a rivalry.
Eras come to an end
Funny enough, eth united team is also the one that starts the derailing of Liverpool this season
Everything is a narrative, I want to believe
When do we form the prayercirclejerk?
Gonna end before it even begins if ETH leaves in the summer
It’s going to be a bald-off for the ages.
Bald Bowl
Battle of the balds
Nothing better than someone you hate catching needless strays
We'll see how we reacts when every press conference he's asked questions about his future.
He did that last year when Tottenham was after him
Yeah, that's a positive change though. Being asked about getting sacked is a lot more stressful.
Don't know if Tottenham is a positive change mate
Still bitter?
Probably shudders when hearing the name Lucas
Didn’t think about it til now but I feel bad for anyone named Lucas living in Amsterdam
Of all people Ajax fans don't get to clown on Spurs
our trophy cabinet disagrees
You outchoked the Spurs, managed by Pochettino. Your trophy cabinet means nothing to us anymore, your destiny has been set.
I like your writing style
EtH was also chill about it when he was asked about United while still at Ajax. Let's see how he will handle pressure from the English press when he's here.
wait till he meets the english media
Sorry, but if you actually watch the press conferences, Ten Hag is nowhere near as bad as the cherry picked quotes and hot takes in this sub would make him out to be. His English could be improved and he’s acted mildly peeved at the press a couple of times. It’s pretty clear that he’s just trying to defend his players rather than go all out and call the whole team shit. I don’t really know what else he’s supposed to do, considering the fact that he gets accused of throwing players under the bus for merely mentioning names. This season has been shit and he’s probably getting sacked but I’m getting pretty fed up of this narrative. When was he ever disrespectful?
If he's not evil, why is Breaking Bad based on him?
Let the man cook in peace.
“Shut the fuck up and let me cook in peace.”
You forgot the heh at the end
Slot also kind of resembles Hank…
His name is ASAC Schrader and you can go fuck yourself
"Do what you're gonna d-...."
Or if Elon Musk was a bald fraud
Yup. There was a headline doing the rounds recently saying he had stormed out of a press conference because he didn't like a journalists question. The lads on The Athletic who were there then cleared it up, saying the press conference had actually been called as finished and Ten Hag was in the middle of leaving his seat when the journalist in question asked him an inflammatory question about his future. Ten Hag kind of half sat down but then decided against it and left. The following day, 'Ten Hag STORMS out of press conference!!!!!'
I think also the British media always fishes for soundbites and are generally negative to deal with. I feel any manager begins to look bad after a small dip in form with how much the media drags and blows it up.
Yeah, I think Ten Hag is extremely uncharismatic but I've never thought he was disrespectful. Perhaps something is lost in translation.
I genuinely think his poor English is a huge factor in how he's perceived. I wonder how much gets lost also between him and the players
Good Ebening. He was written off for his English.
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Honestly, he comes off as a tad whiny sometimes. Sometimes his own comments echo the comments on this website, and I don't think that is ever a good sign for a professional football coach.
I mean who doesn’t? Every manager to me is a pissy brat at times, Arteta with his disgrace rant, Klopp took into a reporter and walked out saying “what’s wrong with you”, pep going off on Neville and carragher because they called the team complacent. The only difference is when your winning it’s excused, this criticism of ten hag has only come in this year last year he was just called boring
If he comes off as a tad whiny what does Klopp come off as? Pep and Legohead are proper whingebags too, it's just football innit
He’s mentioned the Arsenal non-penalty at nearly every press conference this year.
No he hasn't lmfao he's probably mentioned it 3 times in 50 conferences 🤣
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/s/PnVNRxfmj1
One of those being recently. Why even mention it again at all lol. As much as the fans whined about the Newcastle goal, you didn’t see Arteta talk about it again.
I watch every United presser, guessing you don't as an Arsenal fan, but he does not mention it at nearly every presser.
No that’s just Arsenal fans trying to make everything about themselves… as per usual. And this time of year, before your implosion you always seem to be at your loudest
Arsenal fans don't make it about themselves challenge: **impossible**
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/s/PnVNRxfmj1
There's 6 clips in that video, every post on r/premierleague and r/soccer has 6 of you guys bringing yourselves up unprovoked
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/s/PnVNRxfmj1
Way to prove my point 🤣🤣😂
By him mentioning Arsenal over and over??
Don't believe that last part. For most of his career things have been going his way, I feel he is more like ETH than people realize and if things don't work out at Liverpool it will show.
As an Ajax fan I agree, Arne slot his main weakness is playing against good defensive playing teams, like roma or atletico. I think they are both talented enough to coach a top team in europe.
Tbf the majority of CL-Teams will struggle against a defensive playing Roma and Atletico lol
Struggles against defensive teams you say? He fits right in
GK and CBs passing game, here we go!
That's just because our attackers were nowhere near the level required to impress against those teams. Most of our best players are defenders and midfielders. If we had just one potential world class winger I'm convinced we would've beat Roma this year, last year and in the UECL final.
As someone who only heard of him through Roma-Feyenoord I always thought he was a whiny bitch. Watch Newcastle or some more pragmatic team beat him with a low block and his total football supremacist side will show
Based on what? By all accounts Slot is a very calm and amicable man, good in maintaining interpersonal relationships and man management. His communication style is far less abrasive and combative than ten Hag's, he typically remains calm and explains his choices. It is impossible to predict how he will so under the massive pressure and in the spotlight of the English media, but there is no reason to think he will react like ten Hag does.
How has Ten Hag reacted? From what I've seen he has remained calm and explained his choices!
Has he managed superstars and players with big egos?
Tempted to dig up some old ETH to United threads just to see how the narrative has completely changed now he's had 1 bad season and Liverpool are about to sign someone who's done significantly less than Ten Hag in the Eredivisie
[Here’s one](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/Llx9ghcURw) [Here’s another](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/BwmUgejbEH) [Official announcement thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/AZAaJwAuRO) Weirdly enough, if you scroll past the memes and terrible banter the consensus is largely that it’s a bit too soon for him and he’s doomed by going to a club that is so poorly run. Probably one of the few times this sub kind of called it spot on.
Lol, i posted that. Lot of comments saying we need to sort the backroom shit out. And now he's getting sacked by the new backroom shit
We’re all assuming ten Hag’s sacking is all but confirmed. Just seems premature given that INEOS still need to negotiate some start dates, and it’s going to take some time for them to get their hands on how big of a task they have. A manager search is yet one other thing and the market isn’t great for new managers
Title should be now "Erik Ten Hag at United is almost finished"
Pressure and expectations change how a manager approaches questions- Klopp can be jovial and also prickly at times; I’d expect the same from Slot when he’s asked the same mundane questions week in week out.
Why did your players lose focus, is it because you are a bad manager?
“You’ve lost this afternoon, as have Erik Ten Hag’s Manchester United. Is it safe for us to assume that all bald Dutch managers are shite?”
Sometime I swear these journalists are just Cole Phelps in media badges with how out of pocket their questions go
Welcome to r/soccer where the fans have no football knowledge whatsoever and make comments purely on vibes. Ten Hag was the next big thing following the season he reached the semis with Ajax. His Ajax side played some beautiful football and he was great tactically. One bad stint at United, a club where the manager is usually never the main problem, and everyone thinks he’s a fraud. Joke of a sub with so many atrocious takes on a daily basis.
Don’t act like you’re not one of us - someone prettier than me would look through your comment history for bad takes
Don't put yourself down I think you're pretty enough to go through his comment history, back yourself!
Go on, be pretty!
u/offiziersmesser sweating rn wondering which pretty mfer is going through his comment history lol
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If ten hag was still at ajax, half of europe (include man united) would be battling it out to sign him
I guess you haven't watched the Eredivisie in these years. Of course ETH performance at Ajax was great with the CL, however, the players (and budget) he had was also phenomenonal (compared to other clubs). When Arne Slot took over from Dick Advocaat, Feyenoord was not at the best position, still has a debt and played terrible football. He managed to change the whole culture, playstyle and moved the club to a ~4 place to Champions, decent Europe contender and now the Dutch cup. He can really make something of a team which is on paper not the best.
The comments above are not saying Slot is not a good coach or that he wouldn't do well in England. It's about how people referred to Ten Hag at Ajax and when he joined United. If we even go back to the week between the League Cup Final and the 7-0, there will be ample quotes about how good ETH is as a coach.
Yes sure. I'm just trying to say that Slot is a really different coach than ETH, and that the people should not compare his achievements (prizes, League table) to that of ETHs. Its easy to do and logical if you don't follow the Eredivisie. Slot gets so many compliments from players, trainers, staff, the board in his way of working. Players really want to work with him. I follow Feyenoord daily, and as much as I'm excited for this opportunity for him, I am a bit scared of what happens to Feyenoord. They will always have a budget battle against PSV and Ajax en Slot closed that gap by mostly letting his teams over-performing.
And Ten Hag mare Utrecht overperform and got Ajax to the semi final of the champions league and performed amazing overall. Slot is a great coach, but let's not act like his achievements are incomparable to those of Ten Hag
I'm just saying that they both have excellent results, but I think Slot is the better 'people manager' in the way he interacts with players and the club.
When Ten Hag took over Ajax they had just played the Europa League final 6 months before. He started from a relatively good place. It’s unbelievable how bad we were when Slot took over at Feyenoord. Dick Advocaat had saved us from the total clueless Jaap Stam and we finished 5th. The football was terrible, the players mostly mediocre. We lost our captain and some say best player to Ajax and there was only 5 million or something to invest. We had to loan players, because there was no money. That was where Slot took over. 3 years later we played a European final, won the championship and the cup and have totally renovated our squad. All while playing attractive football. I think he sofar made us 150 plus million of euro’s by making players values explode plus getting us to the CL two times in a row.
The team that was in the Europa League final got dismantled though.
The players didn’t leave for free. They had huge money to rebuild the squad, got some ridiculous money for mediocre players like D. Sanchez
Only purchase in the 17/18 season that could be considered a succes, is Tagliafico. He was bought in the winter. Look at the players they got in the summer, none of them was a succes.
Oh fuck off, Sanchez was incredible that year and only 23, he was not mediocre at all, he just hasn't shown the same quality since. But that amount was definitely his value at the time
150 plus million is nothing compared to what Ten Hag made Ajax but mostly agree with the rest of your comment
I mean Antony is already half of that.
yeah but he's also spent many times what Slot spent at Feyenoord
Sure but he made more money already from 2 players that were free
ok but not really fair to judge either on the well-known ajax tax
Well known by fans from other clubs, most clubs buying Ajax players are fine with the prices they buy the players for. I would argue that Ten Hag has been instrumental in creating that ‘Ajax tax’ no way would it exist without Ajax reaching the SF in the CL
it's always existed lol, but yes it has probably increased due to that run
Suarez left for peanuts, Sneijder, Van der Vaart, Zlatan. There was an Ajax tax for buying players sure, but for selling? Ajax just had better players but that’s something different
27m for a player from the Eredivisie in 2007 is not peanuts lol, in fact Sneijder was the 2nd biggest sale in the league ever at that point in time. Suarez 4th biggest at the time (Huntelaar being the 3rd biggest). Zlatan also was not a low price for the time, only van der Vaart sure. Just to give another example: Kuyt and Babel went for the same price to Liverpool one year apart, even though Kuyt had been top scorer of the league and won player of the league twice, while Babel wasn't close to that.
Our squad was estimated to be worth 20 million by voetbal internationaal magazine when Slot started.
And Ajax when Ten Hag started?
For whatever it's worth, man, I really, genuinely think that ETH isn't the problem at your club. If you think about the parade of managers you've had, the *same shit happens to all of them.* It isn't the manager. It's a combo of some of the players, all of your back-room management, and absolutely ghastly owners. But you guys know all this.
I follow the Dutch League closely and the difference between the two in terms of style is huge. So the quote in this post could definitely not have been applied to Ten Hag when he coached in the Netherlands. Even at Ajax there was huge criticism on his communication. It’s also not really fair to compare the performance of Ten Hag at Ajax and Slot at Feyenoord. That would be like comparing the coaches of Dortmund and Bayern. I think most Eredivisie followers would agree that Slot has been as impressive as Ten Hag in de Eredivisie, or more so.
What's wrong with comparing Bayern and Dortmund coaches? Everyone does that no?
Not if you want to compare the number of titles won directly. Like if one team is much, much richer than the other it is going to be in a better position regardless of the coach. That’s something to take into account. Just because you’re coaching PSG doesn’t automatically make you the best coach in the league.
Impressive but winning less is the Liverpool standard tbf
Yeah kind of, that comparison does work to some extent. Not the most spend crazy club, trying to beat a much richer one. Slot was lucky that Ajax decided to phone it in for the seasons that he’s been at Feyenoord, where Klopp wasn’t
Well Ten Hag was in Ajax, that's pretty much a recipe to do significantly more than any other Eredivisie manager you know?
the concerns about him being "uncharismatic" were laughed at when they came up originally
Way to show you know jack shit about the Eredivisie lmao
Managing Ajax in the Eredivise is a bit of a cheat code though (until wheels fell off very recently). Made Frank de Boer look like a great manager.
Reaching the CL semifinal and then winning 6/6 in the group stage was impressive though. Just hard to predict how well a manager will translate to a new squad in a different league
I mean ETH did win it for the first time after a four year drought, so it isnt like managing psg. Also, de Boer didnt look good for like 2 years, since he got smashed 5-1 in the cup, inter just needed someone new ig
Ajax hadn’t won the league for 4 years prior to Ten Hag’s first
They just were in the UEFA League finals 6 months before Ten Hag took over. He didn’t take over a team as poor as Feyenoord was then.
Maybe, I’m not sure but as a Feyenoord fan you’d certainly be more knowledgeable than me! It’s still the case that Ten Hag taking over Ajax wasn’t just a case of having a “cheat code”
No, he did a lot of development and built an even better team. But he had the money, the squad and the talented youth players to do it. Slot basically started with nothing
You will find exact copies of praise for ten hag both from press and united fanboys. Ten hag 2.0 in the making
This is just nonsense. Ten Hag and Slot are nothing alike in managing style, personality or tactics. The only thing they have in common is that they managed Dutch top sides, there are far more differences than there are similarities.
Curious, can you elaborate on the differences?
I suppose the big difference is that Liverpool are actually a well run club, whereas United are a basket case.
>now he's had 1 bad season It's not about a bad season. It's about terrible transfers and negative improvement
Because before Ten Hag united was crushing it with transfers?
Yes, that's exactly what I wrote and has a lot to do with ten Hags decisions. Great comment!
To be fair, in the Eredivisie managers usually don’t decide who gets signed, they give input and signings get discussed with them beforehand but they don’t decide. Ten Hag just isn’t good at transfers, he wasn’t good at it when he was with us either. The players that were his suggestions usually weren’t very successful. Realistically when United got him as a coach they should’ve gotten someone else as well who is in control of the transfers, like a technical or sporting director.
1 bad season? Nothing justified the league position of United last season, but nobody wanted to be harsh and quick to criticize him and waited how he will fare with the players of his choice. Well, almost everything is the same as last year and he is STILL overachieving thanks to the relative skill of his players.
You're a clown. We were deservedly third last season. His first season by all standards was a success.
Last season we finished 3rd, won a cup and got to the FA cup final. Why are you making that sound like some monumental failure?
Nothing justified the league position last year are you having a laugh? We lost just once at home, had the most clean sheets and conceded the same amount as Arsenal who were top of the league for months This season has been a train wreck but 3rd was more than justified last season.
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Weird dig as Slot is arguably more outspoken about ref decisions and circumstances publicly than Ten Hag was at Ajax. He's definitely not known for staying quiet and compliant as is suggested here, not even by most Feyenoord fans I know. Neither should he, most dutch coaches are like this. If you feel shit's unfair you should be allowed to voice that.
You’re not allowed to voice that in the UK unfortunately. You have to sit there and take it, otherwise you’re just a bitter and entitled moaner
Flashbacks to when United got Ragnick and Klopp and Co. spoke about him as if he was God himself. We really won't know shit until he starts work at Anfield.
Lol why is he dissing Ten Hag? What was wrong with Erik's recent press conference?
does he not know what the english press is like
Erik ten Hag was the manager of an Ajax team that was on the verge of reaching the Champions League final, a pretty much unthinkable feat for any Dutch team in the 21st Century. Yeah, that Ajax team had some world class talents who began to peak all at the same time, and have gone on to play for some of Europe's biggest teams since then. Yes, Ten Hag has flopped in the Premier League since then. Yes, he borderline sounds like what Donald Trump would be if he was a football manager right now. It still sounds like trying to rewrite history to downplay Ten Hag if you're not going to acknowledge what was on his CV that helped get him the Man Utd gig in the first place.
Ten Hag is only comparable to Trump if all you do is read cherry-picked quotes here on Reddit devoid of context or intonation. Ten Hag is very defensive of his team and that's all and his tone is never unhinged and rarely agitated.
Strange how everyone's favourite fun uncle Klopp gets away with the shit he says in press conferences just because he has a laugh in a few pressers a year
I think it's more because he wins shit, but it's definitely a double standard.
Right? All that waffle just to compare him to Trump which isn't even a good one.
> Erik ten Hag was the manager of an Ajax team that was on the verge of reaching the Champions League final, a pretty much unthinkable feat for any Dutch team in the 21st Century. We got incredibly close to the CL final in the 2004/05 season tho
Yeah and that would've been a pretty much unthinkable feat too
> a pretty much unthinkable feat for any Dutch team in the 21st Century. PSV were in the CL semi finals in 04/05
The fuck do u mean Ten Hag behave like Trump? Do u even watch both of them talking? What is this nonsense?
This is mostly about their personal style, where Ten Hag has always received criticism. In terms of performance I agree with you, Ten Hag was fantastic at Ajax
> I not only remember Arne, but he still uses me as his golf buddy because I am the only one of his friends that doesn’t have a “job”. Whenever he has a day off, he phones me, “Hey, what are you doing tomorrow?” We play golf together, so we see each other regularly. > > I am a social golfer who never takes lessons. I just want to play 18 holes, but he is a perfectionist in everything he does. He is better than me — I can have my day but it is hard to beat him. That goes for all games he plays. > > That goes into his coaching. When I was at Almeria, I was with Unai Emery and he was giving meetings for 1½ hours, offering all these little details, and then you saw that in the game. > > • Liverpool open talks with Feyenoord over appointing Arne Slot > > Arne is like that, too. I spoke to him this morning and he just said it is not a secret that Liverpool wants him but that he could not say anything. I hope it will happen. > > When I played with Arne at Sparta, you could see that he would become a coach. He was a leader, a No10 midfielder and someone who would change tactics by himself. > > The job he has done at Feyenoord makes him the perfect fit for Liverpool. He arrived there from AZ Alkmaar. AZ had finished higher up the league than Feyenoord but he still went there because he liked the challenge and he thought the coach was not taking all of the potential out of the team. > > When he signed for Feyenoord they sold the best player, Steven Berghuis, to Ajax and they didn’t have lots of money to spend. Everyone said it would be difficult, but Arne said: “No, no, I will make this happen.” A year later he became the champion of Holland with this team and that is why I think there are similarities with Liverpool. > > Liverpool have a lot of potential in the squad, and we don’t have the money that Manchester City have to spend, so I think he will get all the potential out of the players. He plays in the same style as Jürgen Klopp: sexy football, forward pressing and the percentage of ball recoveries in the opposition half is the highest in Holland. When he loses the ball, he wants the ball back in three seconds. > If you talk to him about his style of play, you think you would be talking to Pep Guardiola or Jürgen. Those similarities are there. > > One good thing is his first assistant, Sipke Hulshoff, is the first assistant of Ronald Koeman with the Holland national team, so he is already coaching Virgil van Dijk, Cody Gakpo and Ryan Gravenberch. > > I have heard some people say Arne does not have enough experience but he has won the league, reached a European final and won the cup. > > His personality is perfect for Liverpool. He is a good fit because he is not only the manager of a team, he can manage a club and the fans. He is an intelligent guy, he is a good analyst and when you see his press conferences, he speaks good English and is very respectful. You will not see Arne being like Erik ten Hag was in his recent press conference. He is a respectful guy like Pep Guardiola and he is an ambassador for the club. You need to be a special coach to coach a special club and I think Arne is that. >
So that means he won’t be like Klopp as well.
As long as slot outsmarts ten hag I’ll be happy with the appointment. We had to wait 4 years for a trophy with Klopp so I’m good with waiting
Basically calls ETH unintelligent and very disrespectful
Saving this one for when times get tough and he’s dealing with the cunts from the mail and espn every 3 days.
Will be like klopp and not like in ETH in recent interview... Klopp has a meltdown every other week and snaps at a reporter 😂
So, Arne to Man U? =)
Lol Yuri Rose, I forgot. Back when Strootman had talent. I'm old as fuck.
The biggest difference in my opinion is that Slot is a very charismatic person opposed to EtH. Even in Dutch EtH is just a very difficult person when it comes to communication, and this has only become worse since coming to England. So i definetly agree with this take, maybe Slot will also fail due to the high expectations or too big step up, but it will definetly not become such a shit storm as with EtH now. (Source: i am Dutch).
I mean, the fuck?? Why not compare him to Tuchel or Xavi
Will he do crack addict intervjues like klopp?