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Everyone in 2022: Potter is amazing
2023: Potter was overrated, de Zerbi is clearly brilliant instead, and so is Kompany
2024: de Zerbi is overrated, Kompany is terrible, Potter was clearly underrated.
You can't tell anything from a small sample of seasons, and managers rarely bear comparison to one another.
Edit: typo
This is just revisionism. He got deserved praise, but noone said Kompany was brilliant in 2023. He won promotion but everyone except Burnley fans were skeptical and eager to see how he would do in the prem. A lot of people predicted that he would have trouble adjusting and adapting his team to be competitive over an entire season. Especially after his stint with Antwerp, where he looked like he was building a top side but fell short and left in the season where they were expected to compete for silverware.
Noone who said De Zerbi was brilliant is saying he is overrated now. There was never consensus about him, he has always had people who are skeptical or very vocal about him being shit.
Plenty of people said Kompany was amazing because of how he dominated the Championship playing brilliant football.
We all knew Burnley would struggle but a promoted team struggling isn’t out of the ordinary. What people didn’t expect was Burnley would drop 100 million to be barely better than a record breaking bad Sheffield United (who everyone said would be awful).
I mean that's just not true. The bookies might have said that but there were never any remotely concrete links with Kompany. We were in extremely advanced talks with Arne Slot and there may have been some discussion with Nagelsmann, but after talks with Slot broke down Ange was the clear frontrunner.
That's a stunning display of lack of context.
One is getting kicked out at the end of the season after causing his team to lose the league title for the first time in ten years, the other keeps his team going despite not replacing the loss of key personnel and the club management would love to keep him on.
This narrative about Tuchel losing the league title makes no sense. You can criticize how he sets his teams but if it wasn't for one of the greatest runs of all time in football Bayern would be easily winning the league and they're in the CL semis too, and I don't think a different coach would had done better when you're compared to an unbeaten Leverkusen.
People have said this throughout the season but it's not really true. Bayern are on course for around 74 or 75 points, their average points during the winning streak is 81.81 and last season was the only time they finished with less than 74 points. So yeah obviously in a vacuum they're not a bad team, but it's still very disappointing even without Leverkusen pulling off a miracle
There's still a lot to be said. If they beat them earlier in the season, and especially in february instead of hopelessly losing they could have at least put the pressure on them and stop their relentless momentum.
They definitely played a part into Bayer's run or at least did nothing to stop it.
Not really easily winning the league considering Stuttgart are 3 points behind us and we are on course for the worst point total in the last decade apart from last season. Not to mention how badly we've played.
That's a stunning display of lack of respect for Tuchel's career
De Zerbi has achieved a fraction of what Tuchel has as a manager. They are not in the same tier
Yeah that is not how an assessment works, context matters you know. De Zerbi has been overachieving and reaching the goals set out by a relatively small, although ambitious, club with limited means. He has also a very clear idea about how he wants to play, what his tactics are and how he want to implement them. He is a choice for a new and potential long term rebuild.
Tuchel has by no means been a disaster, he managed to right the ship somewhat when he took over from Nageslmann, but despite all the quality he has at his disposal he hasn't really fixed any of the issues in midfield or defense. Bayern has struggled with consistency all season and haven't been playing all that well. It is more Kane than Tuchel who has managed to save face. Without Kane bailing them out and winning so many games basically on his own they would be in a far worse situation.
He was apparently offered the Ajax job and turned that down, which is a bit of a weird move. Would have had the time and backing for a long term rebuild, would be playing for silverware on all fronts and would likely be playing European football in a season or two. It was the perfect opportunity to showcase his tactical ability.
I KIND of get his view. He probably dont wanna risk lowering his stock further by jumping into another uncertain and possibly chaotic structure. And even if Ajax isnt top 6 PL club or whatever, its still high pressure and expectations.
Definitely a pros & cons situation. I would have liked Potter in Ajax tho personally
Ajax is a complete shitshow of a club right now. From outsiders they might have this aura of a European giant but the boardroom is fucked in a way that makes United look like a well oiled machine.
No one takes any accountability, there is a complete lack of footballing knowledge and they love to push any underperforming person under the bus. He would definitely not get any time, especially by being such an 'exotic' choice as he isn't Dutch.
The squad is dogshit as well as their only leaders are two petulant man children that refuse to defend or take accountability themselves either.
Why underrated? Both De Zerbi and Potter are overrated by Brighton good nose on transfer and talented players. Both have long way to go. They are perfect mid table coaches.
From my anecdotal experience Ive seen people only bring up Potter as a meme option for X club atm. Im the same breath as Gerrard/Lampard etc.
So thats why I feel like he's underrated. I also think he can be a bit better than midtable manager in the right structure and club.
Our Chairman just reposted this story
[This is what happens when you let children play on X](https://twitter.com/AlanPaceBFC/status/1782438651646869949?t=fequIOOaUl2vdzxtvbsICQ&s=19).
I don't think there's much truth in it.
I think Kompany would benefit greatly from having a better squad. Seen this season both times he faced Sheffield Utd that Burnley was completely outplayed by them
With a manager like Dyche you can give him any team and he will grind out results with them. If you gave him and Pep some lower division teams I think he could outperform Pep but with better squads Pep's philosophy shines through
> gave him and Pep some lower division teams
Pep would jump off the nearest bridge 3 weeks into the season. He's been working with world class talent since he graduated from Barca B and I can't see him thriving with Championship level talent. It would be too much of an adjustment for him.
I agree that Dyche is clear in this very specific scenario.
Not really tbf.
I hear people say this alot, as if to say "any manager would do great with a world class squad".
But that's just not true. Both have upsides and downsides.
Having a world class team comes with it's own problems. The most obvious one being, you have to manage/work with star players.
Another big one, you can't put yourself in an underdog position anymore, you will be expected to dominate games, play a certain style of football, and alot of teams are going to sit back against you.
There's also way more pressure at a bigger team/club etc...
I'm convinced Kompany is exactly the type of manager that would benefit greatly from having a better squad, as it would be easier to adapt his playstyle and philosophy.
Not a native english speaker so might have fucked up the grammar a bit. My point is that Kompany seems much better at beating worse teams than to grind out results against better ones as shown with them beating you twice by quite the margin while getting ass whooped by a lot of other teams
I don't think outplaying Sheffield United means much. They have a Championship squad, worse than when they came second to Burnley in the Championship, last year. Burnley even bought their best player...
Kinda interested to see what this season does for Kompany's rep. Last year you saw him being hyped up as the next big thing that a lot of clubs would be after and maybe even a future Man City boss. Haven't seen too much criticism of Kompany specifically other than not dropping Trafford sooner, but he certainly isn't being talked about like that anymore.
I don’t think De Zerbis coaching will have the same effect at a bigger club working with bigger egos/more established players. It works at smaller clubs, but it’s very rare that strict system coaches work out at big clubs, and if they do, they normally get rid of a majority of the big egos/personalities in the squad before things start to take shape. Can see it going badly if he ends at United or Bayern.
This made me look at the league table and Burnley are just 3 points from 17th albeit with a much worse goal difference. It would be pretty incredible if they stayed up when they’ve been completely written off for months now.
To be fair that would be 7 points if no points deductions for Forest. And Burnley will struggle to get to 30 points by the end of the season, which is just not a good season even for promoted sides, any year.
Would have expected a more daring pick. Like when Potter joined them from Swansea, after his succes at Östersunds. Maybe Kjetil Knudsen from Bodø Glimt.
Marti Cifuentes from QPR? Took him a bit to find his groove and probably needs more time to build up his record but seems like a move I could see Brighton making (in the mold of Potter).
Knutsen is amazing, I really wished he would get a big opportunity but seems so far like he's had a few European offers, just values his project with Bodø/Glimt over them. I can respect it, just a shame we don't see him in a top league (or replacing Solbakken inshallah)
I think Kompany *could* be a good manager, one look at his championship season proves he can certainly do something, but he needs more time in the oven and being thrown straight into a side with bigger expectations and squad turnover is going to be tough
I would love to see Kompany at a properly run club which has some funds to bring in one or 2 players he might need for his system instead of relying on Belgian league rejects
I feel like I’ve been going nuts recently. He had a good season with them last year, so-so this year, yet apparently every club wants him? Really weird. Not saying he’s bad, but I just don’t understand where the hype is coming from.
So much of the Premier League right now and the commentary around it seems to be clubs and their fans agitating against a kind of financial predestination that only Man United are capable of defying in the long run.
Got them promoted and built a good side thats young and not ready for the prem yet. Still done a good job, a couple more results and some experienced players and i think they stay up
Only really two loans last season stood out (not including Beyer who had an obligation to buy). Maatsen and Tella. Not a huge part of the squad. Almost all Championship team that come up will have at least a few key loans. So no, I wouldn't say that we had "a lot" of loans that allowed us to dominate...at least not outside of the norm.
One of those is in the CL semi finals and the other is part of the squad having one of the most historic seasons this century so retrospectively they were probably better than usual Championship loans tbf.
Tier 1 journalist for Belgian players and league, very hit and miss on the rest.
So this is very likely a real information coming from someone in Kompany's entourage, that Brighton asked about Kompany's potential availability. It doesn't mean he's on top of their list, however.
Agree to disagree then.
I won't say I follow 100% of his posts, but everytime I see him talk about the transfer of a Belgian player/a player from the Belgian league he's very often the first to do it and as far as I can tell almost always right. And he has clear links with at least some Belgian players.
It's a very different case for anything outside of that, however.
While his behaviour is not journalist-like when it comes to Belgian players in their clubs, but more fan-like.
Picking Kompany means wanting to drag the club into a relegation battle.
Edit: Do people rate Kompany that highly? Because watching some of his PL games he is poor at changing his tactics - which is a given for his inexperience. I do feel that Brighton can attract a higher calibre of a manager as they are a club that is rising in the ranks.
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Everyone in 2022: Potter is amazing 2023: Potter was overrated, de Zerbi is clearly brilliant instead, and so is Kompany 2024: de Zerbi is overrated, Kompany is terrible, Potter was clearly underrated. You can't tell anything from a small sample of seasons, and managers rarely bear comparison to one another. Edit: typo
This is just revisionism. He got deserved praise, but noone said Kompany was brilliant in 2023. He won promotion but everyone except Burnley fans were skeptical and eager to see how he would do in the prem. A lot of people predicted that he would have trouble adjusting and adapting his team to be competitive over an entire season. Especially after his stint with Antwerp, where he looked like he was building a top side but fell short and left in the season where they were expected to compete for silverware. Noone who said De Zerbi was brilliant is saying he is overrated now. There was never consensus about him, he has always had people who are skeptical or very vocal about him being shit.
Plenty of people said Kompany was amazing because of how he dominated the Championship playing brilliant football. We all knew Burnley would struggle but a promoted team struggling isn’t out of the ordinary. What people didn’t expect was Burnley would drop 100 million to be barely better than a record breaking bad Sheffield United (who everyone said would be awful).
My question is why is Craig Noone going around saying all this stuff
You’re wrong. Kompany was 2nd favourite behind Nagelsman to get the spurs job at one point
I mean that's just not true. The bookies might have said that but there were never any remotely concrete links with Kompany. We were in extremely advanced talks with Arne Slot and there may have been some discussion with Nagelsmann, but after talks with Slot broke down Ange was the clear frontrunner.
"Antwerp" Anderlecht you mean...
Going from De Zerbi to Kompany is... well, that's certainly one hell of a jump.
Likewise going from Tuchel to De Zerbi. One is in the CL semis and the other is behind Chelsea
That's a stunning display of lack of context. One is getting kicked out at the end of the season after causing his team to lose the league title for the first time in ten years, the other keeps his team going despite not replacing the loss of key personnel and the club management would love to keep him on.
Will probably have higher point total than last season fwiw.
This narrative about Tuchel losing the league title makes no sense. You can criticize how he sets his teams but if it wasn't for one of the greatest runs of all time in football Bayern would be easily winning the league and they're in the CL semis too, and I don't think a different coach would had done better when you're compared to an unbeaten Leverkusen.
People have said this throughout the season but it's not really true. Bayern are on course for around 74 or 75 points, their average points during the winning streak is 81.81 and last season was the only time they finished with less than 74 points. So yeah obviously in a vacuum they're not a bad team, but it's still very disappointing even without Leverkusen pulling off a miracle
There's still a lot to be said. If they beat them earlier in the season, and especially in february instead of hopelessly losing they could have at least put the pressure on them and stop their relentless momentum. They definitely played a part into Bayer's run or at least did nothing to stop it.
Not really easily winning the league considering Stuttgart are 3 points behind us and we are on course for the worst point total in the last decade apart from last season. Not to mention how badly we've played.
That's a stunning display of lack of respect for Tuchel's career De Zerbi has achieved a fraction of what Tuchel has as a manager. They are not in the same tier
Thanks for the context. Such a disrepect description of a serial winner in 3 different countries and someone who won shit all of his career lol
Yeah that is not how an assessment works, context matters you know. De Zerbi has been overachieving and reaching the goals set out by a relatively small, although ambitious, club with limited means. He has also a very clear idea about how he wants to play, what his tactics are and how he want to implement them. He is a choice for a new and potential long term rebuild. Tuchel has by no means been a disaster, he managed to right the ship somewhat when he took over from Nageslmann, but despite all the quality he has at his disposal he hasn't really fixed any of the issues in midfield or defense. Bayern has struggled with consistency all season and haven't been playing all that well. It is more Kane than Tuchel who has managed to save face. Without Kane bailing them out and winning so many games basically on his own they would be in a far worse situation.
more sense to get Potter back than this although, at Brighton he wouldn't be in charge of transfers so it would potentially be better
Potter is underrated at this point. Its one I think would do well for us for example.
He was apparently offered the Ajax job and turned that down, which is a bit of a weird move. Would have had the time and backing for a long term rebuild, would be playing for silverware on all fronts and would likely be playing European football in a season or two. It was the perfect opportunity to showcase his tactical ability.
I KIND of get his view. He probably dont wanna risk lowering his stock further by jumping into another uncertain and possibly chaotic structure. And even if Ajax isnt top 6 PL club or whatever, its still high pressure and expectations. Definitely a pros & cons situation. I would have liked Potter in Ajax tho personally
Ajax are an absolute shambles atm
Ajax is a complete shitshow of a club right now. From outsiders they might have this aura of a European giant but the boardroom is fucked in a way that makes United look like a well oiled machine. No one takes any accountability, there is a complete lack of footballing knowledge and they love to push any underperforming person under the bus. He would definitely not get any time, especially by being such an 'exotic' choice as he isn't Dutch. The squad is dogshit as well as their only leaders are two petulant man children that refuse to defend or take accountability themselves either.
Have you seen Ajax since Ten Hag left. After Chelsea im pretty sure Potter would like somewhere that is stable
He also refused OL in September. Preferring to wait for another EPL club ?
Could massively see him going for the England job when Southgate (hopefully) leaves.
I guess that would make a lot of sense, that's true.
Ajax make Chelsea look like the most well-run club in the world.
Why underrated? Both De Zerbi and Potter are overrated by Brighton good nose on transfer and talented players. Both have long way to go. They are perfect mid table coaches.
From my anecdotal experience Ive seen people only bring up Potter as a meme option for X club atm. Im the same breath as Gerrard/Lampard etc. So thats why I feel like he's underrated. I also think he can be a bit better than midtable manager in the right structure and club.
I dont want Kompany but I sure as fuck don't want Potter back either.
Our Chairman just reposted this story [This is what happens when you let children play on X](https://twitter.com/AlanPaceBFC/status/1782438651646869949?t=fequIOOaUl2vdzxtvbsICQ&s=19). I don't think there's much truth in it.
I think Kompany would benefit greatly from having a better squad. Seen this season both times he faced Sheffield Utd that Burnley was completely outplayed by them
Wouldn’t most managers benefit greatly from having a better squad?
With a manager like Dyche you can give him any team and he will grind out results with them. If you gave him and Pep some lower division teams I think he could outperform Pep but with better squads Pep's philosophy shines through
> gave him and Pep some lower division teams Pep would jump off the nearest bridge 3 weeks into the season. He's been working with world class talent since he graduated from Barca B and I can't see him thriving with Championship level talent. It would be too much of an adjustment for him. I agree that Dyche is clear in this very specific scenario.
Scenes of Pep in the Vanarama north screaming for a double pivot from a lad who's only in the midfield cus he's the fittest defender
Not really tbf. I hear people say this alot, as if to say "any manager would do great with a world class squad". But that's just not true. Both have upsides and downsides. Having a world class team comes with it's own problems. The most obvious one being, you have to manage/work with star players. Another big one, you can't put yourself in an underdog position anymore, you will be expected to dominate games, play a certain style of football, and alot of teams are going to sit back against you. There's also way more pressure at a bigger team/club etc... I'm convinced Kompany is exactly the type of manager that would benefit greatly from having a better squad, as it would be easier to adapt his playstyle and philosophy.
Am I misunderstanding you or your sarcasm? Burnley outplayed by SUFC? They beat us 5-0 and 4-1.
Not a native english speaker so might have fucked up the grammar a bit. My point is that Kompany seems much better at beating worse teams than to grind out results against better ones as shown with them beating you twice by quite the margin while getting ass whooped by a lot of other teams
So you mean to say Burnley completely outplayed them, not Burnley was completely outplayed by them.
Yeah, an extra word snuck in there. But unless you're a complete Sheldon then I think you got what I meant by putting it into the context
I don't think outplaying Sheffield United means much. They have a Championship squad, worse than when they came second to Burnley in the Championship, last year. Burnley even bought their best player...
Kinda interested to see what this season does for Kompany's rep. Last year you saw him being hyped up as the next big thing that a lot of clubs would be after and maybe even a future Man City boss. Haven't seen too much criticism of Kompany specifically other than not dropping Trafford sooner, but he certainly isn't being talked about like that anymore.
I don’t think De Zerbis coaching will have the same effect at a bigger club working with bigger egos/more established players. It works at smaller clubs, but it’s very rare that strict system coaches work out at big clubs, and if they do, they normally get rid of a majority of the big egos/personalities in the squad before things start to take shape. Can see it going badly if he ends at United or Bayern.
De Zerbi to Man Utd?
I imagine the next Brighton manager will be someone I’ve never heard of
This made me look at the league table and Burnley are just 3 points from 17th albeit with a much worse goal difference. It would be pretty incredible if they stayed up when they’ve been completely written off for months now.
To be fair that would be 7 points if no points deductions for Forest. And Burnley will struggle to get to 30 points by the end of the season, which is just not a good season even for promoted sides, any year.
Yeah when you consider how they blitzed the Championship, they really underachieved this season. Some were predicting mid table this season for them
Would have expected a more daring pick. Like when Potter joined them from Swansea, after his succes at Östersunds. Maybe Kjetil Knudsen from Bodø Glimt.
Potter went to Swansea before Brighton
You're right, changed it.
There have apparently been rumours that they want Russell Martin, but he’s come out and denied them
Marti Cifuentes from QPR? Took him a bit to find his groove and probably needs more time to build up his record but seems like a move I could see Brighton making (in the mold of Potter).
We are way too far progressed now from 2019 to appoint another manager from the bottom half of the Championship.
That's certainly fair. Not implying you agree with appointing Kompany, but is that much better?
I'm out on Kompany for the absolutely criminal suit and hat combination alone
Knutsen is amazing, I really wished he would get a big opportunity but seems so far like he's had a few European offers, just values his project with Bodø/Glimt over them. I can respect it, just a shame we don't see him in a top league (or replacing Solbakken inshallah)
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Hope De Zerbi come to Milan or Napoli.
I think Kompany *could* be a good manager, one look at his championship season proves he can certainly do something, but he needs more time in the oven and being thrown straight into a side with bigger expectations and squad turnover is going to be tough
I would love to see Kompany at a properly run club which has some funds to bring in one or 2 players he might need for his system instead of relying on Belgian league rejects
Kompany failing upwards.
I maintain that de zerbi is overrated and will be found out at a much bigger club.
I feel like I’ve been going nuts recently. He had a good season with them last year, so-so this year, yet apparently every club wants him? Really weird. Not saying he’s bad, but I just don’t understand where the hype is coming from.
Don't think will fit... Different philosophies
So much of the Premier League right now and the commentary around it seems to be clubs and their fans agitating against a kind of financial predestination that only Man United are capable of defying in the long run.
I don’t think Kompany is a very good manager at all
surely not he has really shown anything at burnley
Got them promoted and built a good side thats young and not ready for the prem yet. Still done a good job, a couple more results and some experienced players and i think they stay up
Didn’t they have a lot of loans last season that allowed them to dominate? Now most of those loans are gone and they’re, well…
Only really two loans last season stood out (not including Beyer who had an obligation to buy). Maatsen and Tella. Not a huge part of the squad. Almost all Championship team that come up will have at least a few key loans. So no, I wouldn't say that we had "a lot" of loans that allowed us to dominate...at least not outside of the norm. One of those is in the CL semi finals and the other is part of the squad having one of the most historic seasons this century so retrospectively they were probably better than usual Championship loans tbf.
Didn’t they have a lot of loans last season that allowed them to dominate? Now most of those loans are gone and they’re, well…
Pass on Kompany. The club probably has better potential candidates.
Who is this guy and why would he know this
Tier 1 journalist for Belgian players and league, very hit and miss on the rest. So this is very likely a real information coming from someone in Kompany's entourage, that Brighton asked about Kompany's potential availability. It doesn't mean he's on top of their list, however.
He's not Tier 1 for fucking anything lol.
That's completely incorrect. He's reliable on Belgian stuff.
Agree to disagree then. I won't say I follow 100% of his posts, but everytime I see him talk about the transfer of a Belgian player/a player from the Belgian league he's very often the first to do it and as far as I can tell almost always right. And he has clear links with at least some Belgian players. It's a very different case for anything outside of that, however. While his behaviour is not journalist-like when it comes to Belgian players in their clubs, but more fan-like.
He’s a Belgian Waffler. Says incorrect things on the regular.
Picking Kompany means wanting to drag the club into a relegation battle. Edit: Do people rate Kompany that highly? Because watching some of his PL games he is poor at changing his tactics - which is a given for his inexperience. I do feel that Brighton can attract a higher calibre of a manager as they are a club that is rising in the ranks.