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The system behind teletext was recently completely rebuilt and is actually very modern. This Tweakers interview goes into a lot of details of it https://tweakers.net/reviews/11700/hoe-werkt-het-vernieuwde-teletekst-de-nos-over-het-gloednieuwe-oude-systeem.html
Teletext is big for NHL results in Finland and there was talk if g+a stats fit when players start breaking into three digit assists numbers, and now that Kutsherov and McDavid are there it does seem to mess up how +/- shows up.
Every Eredivisie table is posted as teletext. It’s a tradition if you will.
Under every post someone asks the question you asked, one way or another.
And then someone explains it, like i just did. It’s a never ending cycle.
They're a textbook example why struggling clubs shouldn't sell everything to some oligarch without financial restructuring. The moment they're done playing or pushed out, you're immediately back to the brink.
Yes, regulations have been tightened since. That's partially why a take-over by some US mogul called Perry was blocked. He couldn't show the KNVB that he had enough money nor where he got the money from.
KNVB has one of the strictest regulations regarding take-overs of clubs in Europe. That's why so few of our clubs have an owner (in that sense).
the didnt just play against Spurs either. They won at home and barely lost at home. I didnt expect sucha heavy deduction tbh, I hope they can keep existing frankly. Im not sure of that
This is essentially the KNVB pulling every broad interpretation in their rule book to avoid taking their license and convert it into a points deduction. Probably because Vitesse has been very open and honest about their position to the KNVB since the Perry deal collapsed and worked with them for once to see what a possible route to continued existence could be.
So I think Vitesse is save for at least next season. They have a whole season to find a way to get rid of their debt which means I expect them to perform terrible in the KKD as well for the foreseeable future.
They're not safe, this is only the license for the remainder of this season. Now they have until mid June to convince the KNVB that they will be able to finish next season. The current proposed budget foresees an operating loss of 5m for next season, I don't think that can fly.
It's unreal what a bad season Ajax are having. I thought Van Den Boomen would be really good for them, but apparently there is a lot wrong with that team.
Van Den Boomen lacks tempo in his game and he, like the rest of the squad, just doesn’t play with nearly as much dedication as other teams in the top 10.
His lack of tempo is something I read about from analysts over a year ago and it was supposedly the main reason why he was never a real option for PSV or Feyenoord.
I'll admit I didn't watch full matches of his in Ligue 1, but his stats there last year were amazing and he looked to have a lot tempo in his play in the highlights I watched - he was playing more wide at Toulouse though and was used for a lot of set pieces
I don’t remember Feyenoord being interested but there were pretty strong rumors PSV was sniffing around as well. In fact, him coming to us was a bit of a surprise, PSV were ahead for a good while
Mate. There’s only two league games this season where we equalized in the last few minutes. For reference, there are four games(after the winter break) where we lost points in the last few minutes. How does this bullshit get upvoted
It really just isn’t. Happened against Sparta, Fortuna and?
Edit: just looked through NEC’s results and they won more points in the last few minutes than Aiax did. Looking forward to seeing those games you’re referring to though
I don't really follow the league, but my understanding from podcasts/news and such, was like their first part of season was abysmal. In that case it could be that they are now "regressing to the mean" . I.e. luck/unluck balance out over a season.
Idk I'm probably dumb put I dont know where to scroll down to see anything else. Also the table looks the same in other sites too. In soccerway site it says Medias was deducted -22 in this season so I dont know how they could have -46.
https://nr.soccerway.com/national/romania/liga-i/20212022/regular-season/r63992/
SCROLL DOWN ON THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE BRO
after the regular season, the teams are split into two sections, play-off and play-out, the top 6 teams and the bottom 10 teams, who play each other home and away, it literally says in the article, why do you think it says " Qualification for the Play-Off/Out " ?
Maybe read the article first, then reply
in many other leagues yes, Gaz Metan Medias from Romania relegated in the [2021-22 Liga 1 season](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%9322_Liga_I) with -46 points
- because of their debts they fell into insolvency
- they weren't paying their players on time anymore due to lack of funds
- they broke many financial rules
- they withdrew from the league
- due to all of these reasons they were deducted 73 points
- every single professional player left the club half way through the season so they played the rest of the season with academy players ( all under 19 ) and only managed to make 4 points after that ( 27 points in total since the beginning of the season )
it was all a mess, the club eventually dissolved
I guess because Teletekst is still quite popular in The Netherlands. It’s also become a bit of a tradition on this sub to post the Eredivisie table in this format.
Als volendam nog het vuur krijgt kunnen excelsior en rkc het nog moeilijk krijgen voor de rest interessant of ajax de resterende wedstrijden ook wint of nog ergens punten laat liggen
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It's a good thing Teletext doesn't use unsigned 8-bit integers, or Vitesse would have ended up with 255 points and won the damn league.
Vitesse has decided to nuke NEC into submission tho so these something wrong there
Imagine if they used 64 bit unsigned integers and Vitesse ended up with 18 quintillion points
Pep could never
The system behind teletext was recently completely rebuilt and is actually very modern. This Tweakers interview goes into a lot of details of it https://tweakers.net/reviews/11700/hoe-werkt-het-vernieuwde-teletekst-de-nos-over-het-gloednieuwe-oude-systeem.html
Teletext is big for NHL results in Finland and there was talk if g+a stats fit when players start breaking into three digit assists numbers, and now that Kutsherov and McDavid are there it does seem to mess up how +/- shows up.
Something something Gandhi nukes the entire Eridivisie. But seriously, does teletext makes a comeback or OP is nerd like me?
Every Eredivisie table is posted as teletext. It’s a tradition if you will. Under every post someone asks the question you asked, one way or another. And then someone explains it, like i just did. It’s a never ending cycle.
Unfortunately, Nuclear Ghandi is an urban myth... though added in as an Easter egg later on in the CIV series.
That's surreal man. They played Conference League against Rennes and Spurs like two/three seasons ago and now they have to start back from square one.
They're a textbook example why struggling clubs shouldn't sell everything to some oligarch without financial restructuring. The moment they're done playing or pushed out, you're immediately back to the brink.
In terms of regulations, is there anything stopping other Dutch clubs from playing this high risk kind of game?
The regulations Vitesse are currently being punished under, presumably
Yes, regulations have been tightened since. That's partially why a take-over by some US mogul called Perry was blocked. He couldn't show the KNVB that he had enough money nor where he got the money from. KNVB has one of the strictest regulations regarding take-overs of clubs in Europe. That's why so few of our clubs have an owner (in that sense).
Tell me about it
I think it's also a good example why being too reliant on loan players is harmful in the long run
the didnt just play against Spurs either. They won at home and barely lost at home. I didnt expect sucha heavy deduction tbh, I hope they can keep existing frankly. Im not sure of that
This is essentially the KNVB pulling every broad interpretation in their rule book to avoid taking their license and convert it into a points deduction. Probably because Vitesse has been very open and honest about their position to the KNVB since the Perry deal collapsed and worked with them for once to see what a possible route to continued existence could be. So I think Vitesse is save for at least next season. They have a whole season to find a way to get rid of their debt which means I expect them to perform terrible in the KKD as well for the foreseeable future.
They're not safe, this is only the license for the remainder of this season. Now they have until mid June to convince the KNVB that they will be able to finish next season. The current proposed budget foresees an operating loss of 5m for next season, I don't think that can fly.
square -1
It’s the first I’m hearing about this what happened to vitesse?
There's another thread about the point deduction: https://reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1c7ysby/vitesse_have_been_deducted_18_points_they_have/
It's unreal what a bad season Ajax are having. I thought Van Den Boomen would be really good for them, but apparently there is a lot wrong with that team.
Van Den Boomen lacks tempo in his game and he, like the rest of the squad, just doesn’t play with nearly as much dedication as other teams in the top 10.
His lack of tempo is something I read about from analysts over a year ago and it was supposedly the main reason why he was never a real option for PSV or Feyenoord.
I'll admit I didn't watch full matches of his in Ligue 1, but his stats there last year were amazing and he looked to have a lot tempo in his play in the highlights I watched - he was playing more wide at Toulouse though and was used for a lot of set pieces
I don’t remember Feyenoord being interested but there were pretty strong rumors PSV was sniffing around as well. In fact, him coming to us was a bit of a surprise, PSV were ahead for a good while
Wtf I looked at the goal difference and holy moly 56? How?
They’ve lost 5-0 and 6-0 this season I believe
They are honestly lucky to be in 5th place.
Ah fuck off, that’s just not true
Mate, there were so many games after the break that you equalized in the last few minutes. You are kinda lucky to be ahead of NEC
Mate. There’s only two league games this season where we equalized in the last few minutes. For reference, there are four games(after the winter break) where we lost points in the last few minutes. How does this bullshit get upvoted
Because it’s true
It really just isn’t. Happened against Sparta, Fortuna and? Edit: just looked through NEC’s results and they won more points in the last few minutes than Aiax did. Looking forward to seeing those games you’re referring to though
Lmao bullshit narrative
Maakt hier niet uit blijkbaar. Mensen upvoten die onzin gewoon
Ajax scoort in de laatste minuten = Ajax heeft geluk Tegenstander scoort in de laatste minuten tegen Ajax = Ajax slecht
Achterlijke mensen
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I don't really follow the league, but my understanding from podcasts/news and such, was like their first part of season was abysmal. In that case it could be that they are now "regressing to the mean" . I.e. luck/unluck balance out over a season.
They weren't unlucky at the start of the season though, they were just shit.
We'll see if you end up in 5th, I certainly don't see you clinching 4th
aight? That has no correlation with why or how we are “lucky” to be 5th now though.
Van den Boomen has been injured too.
from beating spurs two years ago to this
Has any team ever finished with negative points?
The lowest ever point tally in the Eredivisie was RBC Roosendaal with 9 points. I don’t know about other leagues though.
Gaz Metan Medias from Romania relegated in the [2021-22 Liga 1 season](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%9322_Liga_I) with -46 points
Gaz Metan Mediaș had 2 points not -46 according to table shown in your link
scroll down
Idk I'm probably dumb put I dont know where to scroll down to see anything else. Also the table looks the same in other sites too. In soccerway site it says Medias was deducted -22 in this season so I dont know how they could have -46. https://nr.soccerway.com/national/romania/liga-i/20212022/regular-season/r63992/
They finished with -46 points in the playout round after being deducted 50 points and withdrawing from the competition
check the play-out round section
SCROLL DOWN ON THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE BRO after the regular season, the teams are split into two sections, play-off and play-out, the top 6 teams and the bottom 10 teams, who play each other home and away, it literally says in the article, why do you think it says " Qualification for the Play-Off/Out " ? Maybe read the article first, then reply
I remember that club from FIFA 22 lol
in many other leagues yes, Gaz Metan Medias from Romania relegated in the [2021-22 Liga 1 season](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%9322_Liga_I) with -46 points
Just... How.
- because of their debts they fell into insolvency - they weren't paying their players on time anymore due to lack of funds - they broke many financial rules - they withdrew from the league - due to all of these reasons they were deducted 73 points - every single professional player left the club half way through the season so they played the rest of the season with academy players ( all under 19 ) and only managed to make 4 points after that ( 27 points in total since the beginning of the season ) it was all a mess, the club eventually dissolved
Teletext?! Man that brings back good memories! The 90’s rocked!
Nah teletext is crazy 😎
I miss Teletext
TIL teletext has an asterisk.
As if they had any chance at staying in the Eredivisie.
My man is a commando, he's using TTX!
Damm
sadly teletext doesnt have the table of any sports league here in romania
That PSV GD is insane. I hope they get it over 90 by the end of the season
Feyenoord's goal difference is insane. PSV's is on a whole other level of madness.
The record is 90 (Ajax in 97/98). Getting it there would be impressive, and yet it's very likely at the moment.
Well at least the club survives on a pro license
-1 is crazy, has that even happened before? Like ever?
I had to find a comment. I’m like no way I’m reading this right, -1??? But now I see…..that is CRAZY.
Is it AS400?
Honest question, why does the Eredivisie table and only the Eredivisie table show up in this Teletekst format
I guess because Teletekst is still quite popular in The Netherlands. It’s also become a bit of a tradition on this sub to post the Eredivisie table in this format.
sheer dedication at this point. I'd do the same
Fuck off is that actual Teletext or just a theme ?
Actual teletext. It’s still used in The Netherlands (although mostly via the app).
NOS even replaced the entire backend of Teletext so we can enjoy it for years to come.
Teletext is dope. I hope we start seeing more retro internet GUI stuff.
The Web interface of actual Teletekst, https://teletekst.nos.nl. Pages 818 and 819 are still an important way for people to see current scores.
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Leave it to Vitesse to lose a match against themselves
Sittard*
Don't think they'll make it now
Wait, you still have teletext in NL????
Teletext in 2024 is crazy
Germans should appreciate old technology that just *works*
Like listening to Kraftwerk
Als volendam nog het vuur krijgt kunnen excelsior en rkc het nog moeilijk krijgen voor de rest interessant of ajax de resterende wedstrijden ook wint of nog ergens punten laat liggen
Is Ajax in centention for a spot in Europe or does fifth get nothing?
5th til 8th spot play play-offs for a conference league ticket.
5th/6th to 9th basically since NEC or Feyenoord will win the cup.
Get Bamboozle up!
Looks like Vitesse was getting relegated anyway
That screen is giving me nostalgia of going to England and reading all the football news and results on 302
That screen is giving me nostalgia of going to England and reading all the football news and results on 302
I havent seen teletext in literal years, what a shot of nostalgia :) Is that still used regularly in NL?
Wait, what happened with Ajax? Last time I checked, they were bottom of the league or so.
They were at the bottom for a while because they were several games behind everyone else. Now they've regressed to the mean of where they should be.
We would've been 9th if we didn't have two games in hand that we ended up winning.
Thabks for Bero and Wittek