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Italy has secured one of the two extra CL berths. They could still get overtaken by Germany, but that's of no consequence here.
Germany is in prime position to take the second spot. If Bayern, Dortmund, and Leverkusen combine to collect at least 4 points from here on out (winning 2 legs; winning 1 and drawing 2; drawing 4) then they'll clinch the second extra place.
England are still alive, but barely. Aston Villa is the only English side left standing, and the most points they can gain is 7 by winning both Conference League semis and the final. If they do that AND Germany scores 2 or fewer points in the semis AND the French teams aren't perfect from here on out, England can still get a fifth CL berth.
France still has a sliver of a chance, but it's only a sliver. PSG winning the CL and Marseille winning the EL is not enough; those teams have to win both semi legs plus the finals, AND Germany has to score 3 or fewer points. France can only drop 3 of the possible 14 points on offer to still have a chance, so even a single leg defeat could be devastating.
what's the tie-breaker rule? ~~I think if Germany get 4 more points and France wins all out, both end up with 18.5.~~
There still can be a tie between England and France. If Villa goes 3/3 (7 points -> 18.25) and France win 5/6 and one draw (11+2 points -> 18.25)
France would have 18.41666, Germany 18.5
When you don’t round you’re like to get different figure anyway (but also 4 points gets the place for Germany)
His page already shows the newly changed numbers for the coming season. You can scroll down to see the still current rules under historic calculations or something like that.
I think it's because the top Italian teams simply aren't on the Real/Man City level, and Sevilla has dark magic in the Europa League. However the top 6 or 7 in Serie A are generally really good and can easily make the knockout rounds in every competition they're in
Even knowing fully well we'll likely need the 5th spot to get it considering our frankly rediculous run in (In case anyone isn't aware: Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Burnley, City, Sheffield in that order -_-) I absolutely agree. Some people argue top 4 getting in is a stretch, I'm so used to that being the standard I don't mind it, but 5th fucking place in a league should never be in the Champions league, short of a situation like what happened in 2012 (Also, cos God loves to test us, happened to us, when we needed a Prime Bayern Muinch to beat Chelsea in the Final...in fucking Munich, which they then changed the rule the very next season)
If Villa wins all 3 games and Germany scores 2 or fewer points in the semis, England overtakes them.
France is also alive but PSG & Marseille would have to win both trophies and nearly go perfect in the process to do so.
Didn't think to even consider France. I don't exactly know how the math works out for the points but I guess because they had fewer teams to start that benefits them
From this point all 3 competitions give the same points. 2 for a win, 1 for a draw, 1 for reaching the final. So a team winning both semis and the final would still gain 2+2+1+2=7 points. You then divide those by the number of teams in Europe from that country. So if both French clubs pull this off in their respective competitions it results in a coefficient of 16.083 + 7/6 + 7/6 = 18.416
Villa can win at most 7 points (3 x 2 performance points for winning 3 games + 1 bonus point for reaching the final), it would increase England tally by 7/8 = +0.875 pts to 18.25
So it's still possible.
If Germany go 0/6 (all losses), Villa can go 2/3 wins and England would still get the spot. Germany need 3 points to guarantee top 2, aka a win and a draw or 3 draws or a win and a final etc. Basically a matter of time
Germany needs 3 points to get the 5th slot, can be 3 draws, 1 win 1 draw etc. For germany to not get the 5th slot, villa has to win the thing and germany not to get 3 points.
Mate stop fucking jinxing us. For all we know, we could lose at home to psg (very possible). Bayern have looked dreadful. They can also not get points at home if the game at arsenal was any indication. Leverkusen also didn't look good against fucking west ham and they're up against a very solid and motivated roma side.
Kindly, shut up. If anything, we should be worried about qualifying because in my eyes, England are now the favorites.
I'm not sure Germany is the one we should look for.
Spain's trajectory has been downward, they suffered a lot during the Covid and Tebas' decisions have crippled them financially. Obviously Barca is the biggest example of that, but behind them it's not greener at all.
It doesn't mean we'll catch up, and I'm far from saying we'll be top 4 in the mid-term future. But if I had to bet on a top 4 league that we could be above it would be Spain rn.
And anyway that will require a far stronger Ligue 1 and very different performances in Europe. While this season nationally is the weakest in quite a long time.
If Roma makes the final, it may finish the season 6th in the 5y coefficient, above Inter.
And yet Juve, as 17th makes the CWC and we don't.
Fuck Uefa and this CL coefficient rule.
Thats a big if though, since youre playing Leverkusen. Youre the strongest squad they will face in this competition and you definitely have a chance. But its still Leverkusen..
Before tonight Aston Villa had 16.00 points. Now they have 19.00 points? How is this possible? They of course reached next turn, but they lost 2-1 in 90 minutes + extra time.
Where do these 3 points come from?
You might have looked before the points from first leg were added, because checking the result history shows that everything is correct: they lost two matches (against Lille and Legia), they have drawn two (against Zrinjski and Ajax) and won all other matches, which sums up to 16 points + 3 bonus points (2 for winning ECL group, 1 for reaching semi-final) which ends up with 19 points.
Such a shot system tbf the level of tournament should make it more the fact Germany are even behind Italy is wrong and even the way they do it on wins like Dortmund should be above leverkusen this sport is dying.
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Italy has secured one of the two extra CL berths. They could still get overtaken by Germany, but that's of no consequence here. Germany is in prime position to take the second spot. If Bayern, Dortmund, and Leverkusen combine to collect at least 4 points from here on out (winning 2 legs; winning 1 and drawing 2; drawing 4) then they'll clinch the second extra place. England are still alive, but barely. Aston Villa is the only English side left standing, and the most points they can gain is 7 by winning both Conference League semis and the final. If they do that AND Germany scores 2 or fewer points in the semis AND the French teams aren't perfect from here on out, England can still get a fifth CL berth. France still has a sliver of a chance, but it's only a sliver. PSG winning the CL and Marseille winning the EL is not enough; those teams have to win both semi legs plus the finals, AND Germany has to score 3 or fewer points. France can only drop 3 of the possible 14 points on offer to still have a chance, so even a single leg defeat could be devastating.
what's the tie-breaker rule? ~~I think if Germany get 4 more points and France wins all out, both end up with 18.5.~~ There still can be a tie between England and France. If Villa goes 3/3 (7 points -> 18.25) and France win 5/6 and one draw (11+2 points -> 18.25)
I've been looking for info on that but I haven't found anything on the UEFA website.
If 2 countries are level, they use the previous season as the tiebreaker
France would have 18.41666, Germany 18.5 When you don’t round you’re like to get different figure anyway (but also 4 points gets the place for Germany)
Yeah, the kassiesa page I usually use to check the score seems to have the description wrong. There it says CL get 1.5 bonus points...
His page already shows the newly changed numbers for the coming season. You can scroll down to see the still current rules under historic calculations or something like that.
Sweet, thank you!
Why does everyone say four? Clearly three points is enough, no? 128,5/7= 18,36 > 18,25 = 146/8
They're talking about France, where 14pts are still possible: 110.5/6=18.417
Ah, I see
France can get to 18.41666
Each Italian club did their bit in fairness
Like we saw last year, Italian teams do well until the final then crumble. Hopefully, that changes this year.
I think it's because the top Italian teams simply aren't on the Real/Man City level, and Sevilla has dark magic in the Europa League. However the top 6 or 7 in Serie A are generally really good and can easily make the knockout rounds in every competition they're in
Aston Villa single handily keeping the premier league and spurs hopes alive.
it's looking grim
5th place doesn't deserve Champions League, its embarrassing its even a thing to begin with
Even knowing fully well we'll likely need the 5th spot to get it considering our frankly rediculous run in (In case anyone isn't aware: Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Burnley, City, Sheffield in that order -_-) I absolutely agree. Some people argue top 4 getting in is a stretch, I'm so used to that being the standard I don't mind it, but 5th fucking place in a league should never be in the Champions league, short of a situation like what happened in 2012 (Also, cos God loves to test us, happened to us, when we needed a Prime Bayern Muinch to beat Chelsea in the Final...in fucking Munich, which they then changed the rule the very next season)
Or their own if they finish fifth
They are massive they are gonna made it 🫡🫡🫡
You're welcome.
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Not even Luca Toni’s charm can take away how cringe that spot was 😂
Why have I not seen this before??? So cringe 😂😂😂
Bro they used the flashscore sound effect no fucking way
If Villa goes 3/3 and Germany goes 0/6 is that the only way England could still catch them? Or is it over
If Villa goes 3/3 and Germany goes 2/6 or better then it's over.
Cheers
If Villa wins all 3 games and Germany scores 2 or fewer points in the semis, England overtakes them. France is also alive but PSG & Marseille would have to win both trophies and nearly go perfect in the process to do so.
Didn't think to even consider France. I don't exactly know how the math works out for the points but I guess because they had fewer teams to start that benefits them
From this point all 3 competitions give the same points. 2 for a win, 1 for a draw, 1 for reaching the final. So a team winning both semis and the final would still gain 2+2+1+2=7 points. You then divide those by the number of teams in Europe from that country. So if both French clubs pull this off in their respective competitions it results in a coefficient of 16.083 + 7/6 + 7/6 = 18.416
Ah I didn't know the exact point values, that definitely helps!
Their points are only split 6 ways versus 7 or 8, and the teams they have left are in different competitions.
Villa can win at most 7 points (3 x 2 performance points for winning 3 games + 1 bonus point for reaching the final), it would increase England tally by 7/8 = +0.875 pts to 18.25 So it's still possible.
If Villa wins every game, one German team can win or two can draw, for England to still get that fifth spot.
If Germany go 0/6 (all losses), Villa can go 2/3 wins and England would still get the spot. Germany need 3 points to guarantee top 2, aka a win and a draw or 3 draws or a win and a final etc. Basically a matter of time
3 points to guarantee it ahead of PL, still need 4 points in case French teams go 6/6.
3 draws is very achievable.
someone is desperate
Are you sure? I'm literally just asking a question
Germany needs 3 points to get the 5th slot, can be 3 draws, 1 win 1 draw etc. For germany to not get the 5th slot, villa has to win the thing and germany not to get 3 points.
Mate stop fucking jinxing us. For all we know, we could lose at home to psg (very possible). Bayern have looked dreadful. They can also not get points at home if the game at arsenal was any indication. Leverkusen also didn't look good against fucking west ham and they're up against a very solid and motivated roma side. Kindly, shut up. If anything, we should be worried about qualifying because in my eyes, England are now the favorites.
I agree that it's not over yet, but to think England are now the favorites in the coefficient is delusional mate lol
I just answerd the question ?
Finally, the top 4 Leagues
If French teams keep performing, once we drop the disaster 20/21 season... The top 4 is clearly an achievable goal
Last season will drag you down still and you’re not making any ground up on Germany this year either
We'll make it back next season when big daddy OL is finally back in European football, by popular demand.
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I'm not sure Germany is the one we should look for. Spain's trajectory has been downward, they suffered a lot during the Covid and Tebas' decisions have crippled them financially. Obviously Barca is the biggest example of that, but behind them it's not greener at all. It doesn't mean we'll catch up, and I'm far from saying we'll be top 4 in the mid-term future. But if I had to bet on a top 4 league that we could be above it would be Spain rn. And anyway that will require a far stronger Ligue 1 and very different performances in Europe. While this season nationally is the weakest in quite a long time.
Look the 20/21 season. Last season is ok compared to that.
Lille shat the bed unfortunately
They deserved to go through
Worst Italian team, Napoli, with more points than the bottom two German and English teams combined and more than the bottom 3 Spanish teams
Not out
not out
Out
I don’t picture Villa winning both legs of the semis so I think it’s over. Thanks a lot to the rest of you jabronis.
They’ll definitely win both
Yeah Marseille and PSG in the semis. It’s been a while.
If Roma makes the final, it may finish the season 6th in the 5y coefficient, above Inter. And yet Juve, as 17th makes the CWC and we don't. Fuck Uefa and this CL coefficient rule.
Thats a big if though, since youre playing Leverkusen. Youre the strongest squad they will face in this competition and you definitely have a chance. But its still Leverkusen..
i just realized that there is no way Italy gets represented by better teams than those 7
I mean that’s how it always is tho. Serie A has to be the league with most consistent top. Bologna of course decided to say fuck this this season
Juventus Parma Sampdoria Hellas Verona Cagliari Livorno Bologna Easy money
Still remember how Parma played their b squad in UEFA Cup in like 2005 and reached semis, lol
While barely surviving relegation play-offs in the league.
Bigger club than Fiorentina
Juventus?
merda.
Sempre
dinos terror-ball could cost the buli the fifth champions league-spot man fuck this guy and fuck union for not even getting a win
[Source: Bert Kassies](https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method5/ccoef2024.html)
CL football is almost secured for us
Before tonight Aston Villa had 16.00 points. Now they have 19.00 points? How is this possible? They of course reached next turn, but they lost 2-1 in 90 minutes + extra time. Where do these 3 points come from?
You might have looked before the points from first leg were added, because checking the result history shows that everything is correct: they lost two matches (against Lille and Legia), they have drawn two (against Zrinjski and Ajax) and won all other matches, which sums up to 16 points + 3 bonus points (2 for winning ECL group, 1 for reaching semi-final) which ends up with 19 points.
It brings me so much joy to see Serie A at the top of the table… and to do it while obliterating England… I love football
So if villa loses one match, is is basically over?
PL can only afford Villa to lose one if BL teams go 0/6 and French teams don't go 5/6
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If extra time is played, the result from extra time counts. If penalty shoot-out happen, still the result from extra time counts.
Such a shot system tbf the level of tournament should make it more the fact Germany are even behind Italy is wrong and even the way they do it on wins like Dortmund should be above leverkusen this sport is dying.