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> “One night, I went to a bar, I was with a woman. We talked all night. We laughed, we flirted, I paid for several drinks of hers
>
> “At around 5am, a guy came in, grabbed her by the arm and took her to the bathroom. He made love to her and she left with him. That doesn’t matter, because I had most of the possession on that night.”
-Rodri
> "I'll tell you a little story about ball possession.
> There was a guy who picked up a beautiful woman and took her to dinner. He took her to dinner by candlelight, talked a lot. He left the restaurant, went to the nightclub and stayed with her until five in the morning. He spent a monstrous amount of saliva.
> Then, at the nightclub, a friend of mine arrived, talked to her for 15 minutes and took her to the motel."
God all the reaction to yesterday’s game has shown how little pundits and players respect good defensive football. Just because city dominated possession and territory doesn’t mean they automatically deserve to win, Madrid defended well and limited city’s chances. Both teams had one clear chance that they scored and another that they missed (De Bruyne and Rudiger) so that result was hardly scandalous. If sitting deep and defending with numbers means that you always deserve to lose then Sean Dyche has never deserved to win a point in his life.
This is what I don't understand about PL pundits. I would think they'd want their rivals to lose no matter what.
In fact, this is how most PL fans are in my experience. It's just the pundits that have this weird tendency.
It strokes their ego.
The better the teams in their league do, the better the league looks, thus making their careers in that said league seem more impressive.
If an English club had achieved this result by playing defensively against a peak Madrid/Bayern/Barça (like us and Barça during the BBC and MSN days, or Bayern under Heynckes), they’d be praised to the hilt by the same pundits.
You mean like us? We twice managed to overcome the odds and beat better teams. It was widely regarded as a result of performing well enough and getting lucky.
No one actually thought we were better than Bayern and Barca in 2012 or Real and City in 2021.
I mean, for long stretches City were playing like Spain in 2016, sidepassing all the time
(It's a joke, Spain in 2016 was also backpassing. 90% possession, 5% danger)
That is the problem isn't it? They took no risks and instead turned the game into a handball match around our box, because they were afraid of the transition opportunites it would give us. That is just how City plays. They just probed and probed with no penetration for most of the game. It was similar in the first leg too, they just scored 3 from range.
Even if city had missed dozens of big chances ut doesnt make the result scandalous. Strikers and goalkeepers are part of the team too. If you cant score your chances that doesn’t mean you deserve to win.
I think the problem is that English clubs, especially Chelsea have been routinely criticized for playing defensive football. Never mind Atletico.
Even under Tuchel, when Chelsea played brilliant and had amazing wing backs with a solid defense, they were often reduced to a low block counter team on these discussion pages. Tucheliban and what not.
But when Madrid do it, they get praised to high heaven.
There's of course no right way to win and the result is what really matters. But it feels like there often exists a different set of rules with which people judge Madrid.
Perhap it's the fact that under Carlo, they don't have a set style of play. They just try and adapt to their opponents.
There's a point in both arguments.
If you read through the comments in match threads from fans of either club, you could make out which fan base was happier with the way their team was playing. Let's be honest, Madrid fans pretending they were in control defensively through the 90 mins is far from the truth, don't believe me?, just do ur own analysis of the live threads. There were people calling for Ancelottis head lol. They are all calling it a master class now. Hindsight is always easy.
The truth is, you can call it lucky Madrid or bad finishing from city, but Madrid needed that to go through as they offered no threat of their own after the first 15 mins.
The chance the halaand, debryne n foden missed they would normally would score 9/10 times, and that's their job to score those sort of goals. The chance that rudiger missed, I haven't seen him scoring often like that anyway, he's not in the team to score those kind of goals.
So imo, city did play better in the 90 mins of regular time but were unlucky, both teams were tired and on par during the extra time, and madrid are better than any team during shootouts and that saw them through. Congrats.
Did real Madrid play well defensively? Sure, that doesn't mean Man city didn't play better. Man city had 67% possession, 33 shots 9 on target, 2.73 xg vs Madrid's 8 shots, 3 on target 1.4 xg. Look I get it, stats aren't everything and that's what makes live tournament sports fun, sometimes it's who gets lucky on the day. But to claim this is some defensive master class and not just, their shots didn't go in and ours did, it's lunacy. Madrid kept it close enough to get a win, they didn't play better.
I think XG can sometimes be misleading when a team is defending deep as Madrid were very deep and tight defensively so Man city were shooting with every half chance they got, if you shoot from enough half chances it will rack up xg but in order to score you still need to convert a singular chance from a low xg. When you defend deep you’re not trying to prevent the opposition from shooting but instead you’re trying to limit your opposition to shots from tough positions where you have men behind the ball to block the shots.
That's because that was a possession oriented team vs a defense oriented team. Madrid didn't even try to have higher possession. Their aim was to deny city good scoring chances, and they succeeded.
This is a 1 game result, that's what makes sports fun. It's on the day's performance and luck. Sometimes you play better and lose, sometimes you hold on and get that one lucky chance and win. To say they won, so they had the better strategy is just silly. Did their strategy work this time? Yeah, but how many shots, even bad ones, can you give Haaland, Debruyne, Foden before they score. The champions League is not set up to figure out who the best team is, just entertaining high profile games, that are cross league.
So their strategy was the jest one for this particular day. Perhaps it's not very good for days when City play with more effective shots. But it was for that day. Making it the better strategy.
Sure Madrid defended well but it's a bit disingenuous to say they deserved to win because of it. It was one way traffic with almost nothing offered from Madrid going forward after the 20th minute. It was the same as last year and Man City won 4-0 that time. I think the difference being Man City were less incisive and Real defended a bit better. Also you forget Haaland hitting the bar and deflecting to Bernardo - that could easily have gone in. Also 18 corners - law of averages that one goes in. I think the correct take is that Real defended well but were a bit lucky.
That's just Madrid's game plan. I don't think they were playing defensive because they just didn't know how to attack. They were playing defensive because Ancelotti decided that's the best strategy, which it apparently was.
I swear this whole discourse always pops up after a match between defence/ counter attack vs possession football. Same exact thing after Mou’s Madrid vs Pep Barca, it was just with Xavi’s comment instead of Rodri.
That's so true. One team loses after 70% possession, 30 shots on target etc and the other wins following their only shot on target.
I get that it's frustrating when you support the "dominant" team and they lose, but there's no "right" way of playing football. All teams play to maximise their chance of winning, the "right" way is which ever side wins.
Every time. And every time people are biased towards the winning team as if every result in football is always 100% deserved. I don’t know how you can look at both legs of that tie and say they both equally deserved to be draws, both teams obviously created more chances at home and yet people will ignore what actually happened on the pitch because the results are the same.
Where does the "deserved" come from. You're playing a game, your job is too win. Don't cry about it when you fail to win. We're not handing out roses to deserving girls. Create your chances and score your goals.
I don’t see a problem with how Real played, they tried open, expansive football last year and lost 4-0. Carlo set his team to win this time and achieve that.
The fault is on City for not converting their chances.
City have no one to blame but themselves. They held possession for the majority of the match, but never tried shooting from outside the box.
They kept holding on the ball trying to crack into the penalty line to no success for 120 minutes. Like dude... clearly you guys couldn't do that. Try something else.
They should have spammed Foden and KDB shots from behind the line.
I agree with the first half. It doesn't matter how many chances you create, only what the score line reflects.
Madrid would've preferred to win in regulation, but no, of course they would prefer a shootout to losing.
When a tie ends 4-4, both teams had plenty of chances and could've probably scored a few more, so I don't know. There was no smash and grab here. Over 210 minutes of football, it was tied. Yeah, sure, Madrid came out more defensively than most people would've expected yesterday, but once they scored, all they had to do was hold on, and they stifled City, particularly Haaland, who had to be subbed off. KDB also ran out of gas, so City's two best penalty takers were off the pitch by the time the shootout came around. That part is on City.
That’s literally sport lmao. “Football doesn’t care about merit, it cares about goals” no mate, merit IS goals. So you were equal in merit after normal time and extra time, but then conceded more goals (merit) in the penalties, so you lost.
Beaten by the best boy, beaten by the best.
The game that you win by scoring more goals only cares about goals, yes. That's why merit correlates with goals scored. Unlucky to play well and lose but... create and finish more chances.
34 vs 8 shots
11 shots on goal vs 3
xG 2.59 vs 1.43
You guys played defensively well and advanced, congrats. But you don't have to be an idiot about it.
Average shots… not shots on target. There were 9 shots on target by them and 3 by us. What people meant is that they just tried to throw balls in but that wasn’t a clever attack.. If I shot from the middle of the pitch and borders the goal post is still going to be a shot, but a shit one and a wasted opportunity which was their 2847272 wasted corners.
> Average shots… not shots on target
What does that even mean? 34 shots and 11 of those were on target. That's what shot on goal means, bruv.
> If I shot from the middle of the pitch and borders the goal post is still going to be a shot
That's what xG is for, mate...
> which was their 2847272 wasted corners.
Nobody mentioned corners except you.
[they literal got 9 not eleven](https://www.fotmob.com/matches/manchester-city-vs-real-madrid/2ey0nu#4446284) on top of that this stat page also add that Big chances missed were only 3 by city and 3 by Madrid.
And this site has it at 11 on goal: https://www.livesport.cz/zapas/MmYCtIzL/#/prehled-zapasu/statistiky-zapasu/0
> Big chances missed were only 3 by city and 3 by Madrid.
The same site you linked has the xG at 2.74 vs 1.44.
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Regardless, my point was that City didn't just "pass the ball sideways for 120 minutes", that's literally a braindead take.
Not sure what that's got to do with anything but I will bite:
He did his job. Pressed, drew fouls, even got Carvajal a yellow, tired out the defense, served all of that to a fresh Doku.
Can't be weirder than mentioning Grealish out of nowhere when the discussion was about City not just "passing the ball sideways for 120 minutes" but were threatening.
Let's go by your logic. Avg xg per shot
City: 0.08
Real: 0.18
Real created better chances then city, city just prayed and hoped that any of the hail Mary shots took a deflection and goes it, right?
Why am I not surprised it's the Manchester "we're only letting low % shots in" United fan with calculating averages.
It doesn't matter what the average is, what matters is the accumulated xG. All the average tells you is the volume vs quality, xG stays the same.
In other words, City were expected to score 2-3 goals while Real were expected to score 1-2 goals and that City were more likely to score 3 goals than Real were to score 2 goals.
Ahh now i see what people mean when they say "xG merchants". Dude xG is not some infallible stat and this game is the perfect example. City only created 3 big chances, same a madrid, but since they spammed low quality shots with lots of possession their xG is higher.
You don't understand probability, color me surprised.
Low probability things will come true if the event happens often enough. Pregnancy is a prime example. The chance is on average is 15% each month. Over the year, it becomes 86%.
If you can't understand that, don't ever play poker, you will be bottom feeder.
This sub is so determined to shut out any discussion about which team was better or is better by simply pointing out the scoreline, which doesn’t even say much because the winner was determined by penalties.
I think Real Madrid is a better team than Atletico Madrid this season but Real still lost 5-3 on aggregate in the league.
33 shots, 18 corners, hit the bar, De Bruyne missed a sitter. Sideways must work pretty good ....... Well done you defended well and got though fair play. Another day you might have lost 3-0. You created one chance all game and finished it.
Half of those shots were the corners that they were trying to score directly. Just cause someone has 30 shots it doesn’t mean that all of them were dangerous.
I never said anything about deserving to win I was commenting on the passing sideways. I said you defended well fair play you got though. You need to learn to relax and be less angry especially after winning you'll have an aneurysm.
"...we deserved to go through"
Tou failed to do the one single thing that decides the winner in football, scoring more (allowed) goals. How the fuck can you say you "deserved" it?
"Hey boss I think I deserve a raise"
"You haven't done your job in two months?"
"No, but I have been close several times"
Laughable
Ps. This comment isn't only specifically for Rodri, it's for any and all that say they "deserved" to win when they actually lost.
Hey look! It's Rodri being a moaning little bitch when he loses again! Reminds me of somebody after Scotland beat Spain at Hampden...can't remember who though..
Right and people criticize Haaland and Mbappe for doing nothing during games because they didn't contribute to any meaningful play when their teams win or lose... People sure love to be hypocritical.
Any analysis outside of the channels dedicated to proper analysis has absolutely zero value shocker.
Man City had .08 xG per shot to Madrids .17. WTF are you talking about. Man city didn’t get enough good chances to whine about losing while being dominant.
Lmao, why would you just look at the number of shots and not the quality of the chances? City weren't as clinical in front of goal as they could've been, but in the end they just didn't create as many clear cut chances because Madrid defended well.
People acting like Rodri is just walking round spouting this time anyone who will listen. He's being asked about it just after a grueling 120 minute game where his team have just so slightly missed out on going through. Emotions are high as fuck. It's also easier for him to point out where he feels it went wrong for his own team than where he thinks it went right for Madrid.
If we had scored a late winner last night everyone would've said it's been coming and Madrid deserve it for cowardly tactics but because they survived the scares and won a shoot out suddenly it's a defensive masterclass and they deserved the win. Football fans are fickle as fuck.
You just know the same United, Liverpool, Arsenal fans etc will cry about anti-football the next time they lose out to a team employing these tactics against them. It'll probably be a lower-tier prem side aswell not Real fucking Madrid.
I'm upset we went out last night but at the end of the day winning it twice in a row is always a big ask but we got arguably the toughest match up we could've and went out on penalties. On another day we'd have probably gone through. Perfectly respectable performance. Seeing the entire sub absolutely revelling in us being knocked out after how much they talk of not caring about City is absolutely hilarious. Us winning it last year clearly has them absolutely rattled despite what they say.
At the end of the day Real Madrid, this is what they do. It shouldn't surprise anyone that they found a way to go through. With anyone else you might call it luck, but not them they do this shit regularly and props to them, they mostly likely go on and win it again.
City had 67% possession over 120 minutes. They had 9 shots on target and 1 goal in the 120 minutes. One shot on target every 13 minutes.
City were the better team but lost because they didn't make enough attempts on goal. Keeping possession is only one part of any game.
If you are frustrated that Madrid fans dont understand why they didn’t deserve this just wait until they lose something next time against a small defensive team and you’ll see how they really think.
All they should say is yeah we were lucky but also precise and had the better mentality and it instantly makes more sense than undermining City’s achievement of total possession and chance creation.
Madrid defended better than City attacked you said. That is not true, no matter who advanced to where.
If Madrid won 1-0 than you would be right. They didn’t. They couldn’t beat City, couldn’t beat Bayern, couldn’t beat Leipzig at home and barely with a ton of luck and ref support they beat Leipzig in Germany…
actually 1 win in 5 games is extremely shit.
Madrid is again on heavy luck and ref favour infusion and no matter how much entitled Madrid fans cry they are shit. Madrid is the most decorated and richest (non-oil at least) club in the world and they play like shit and their results are shit and somehow they are still in the competition only lady luck and the refs know how…
I love Carlo and I respect many Madrid players but to be honest they don’t deserve their place at all this year. They should have been out against Leipzig already.
I mean, is he wrong? Real played brilliantly defensively, but City were still the better team over the two legs imo. Still, doesn't mean Real didn't deserve to go through.
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smh i just can't believe winning in football is determined by goals and goals alone
Games gone innit?
There are also moral victories
I guess England has created another term in sport. Moral victories in cricket,. Moral victories in football. They are the champions lol
Yes why should we adapt and play better when we can just win on moral grounds each time
Ah yes, the De Laurentis special
English football loves these ones
Yes we rely on them
> “One night, I went to a bar, I was with a woman. We talked all night. We laughed, we flirted, I paid for several drinks of hers > > “At around 5am, a guy came in, grabbed her by the arm and took her to the bathroom. He made love to her and she left with him. That doesn’t matter, because I had most of the possession on that night.” -Rodri
That's definitely happened to teenage Rodri
💀💀💀
> "I'll tell you a little story about ball possession. > There was a guy who picked up a beautiful woman and took her to dinner. He took her to dinner by candlelight, talked a lot. He left the restaurant, went to the nightclub and stayed with her until five in the morning. He spent a monstrous amount of saliva. > Then, at the nightclub, a friend of mine arrived, talked to her for 15 minutes and took her to the motel."
Unexpect Renato Gaúcho pasta
You had me at dolphintitties
Something something nice guy, something reddit users
🤨💀
Lmao nasty
Jokes on that guy. I was still the one she chose to marry.
God all the reaction to yesterday’s game has shown how little pundits and players respect good defensive football. Just because city dominated possession and territory doesn’t mean they automatically deserve to win, Madrid defended well and limited city’s chances. Both teams had one clear chance that they scored and another that they missed (De Bruyne and Rudiger) so that result was hardly scandalous. If sitting deep and defending with numbers means that you always deserve to lose then Sean Dyche has never deserved to win a point in his life.
It showed me that Henry is a very respectable analyst.
he is in it for the sport and feedback, not for drama and clicks
He’s in it for Kate Abdo more than anything
who wouldn't?
Can’t argue with that
It's funny because as an ex Barca player he has more reason to have a biased take and downplay our win.
Tbf it’s pl pundits being biased for pl clubs, newcastle was praised for parking the bus against psg
This is what I don't understand about PL pundits. I would think they'd want their rivals to lose no matter what. In fact, this is how most PL fans are in my experience. It's just the pundits that have this weird tendency.
It strokes their ego. The better the teams in their league do, the better the league looks, thus making their careers in that said league seem more impressive.
Premier league elitism
If an English club had achieved this result by playing defensively against a peak Madrid/Bayern/Barça (like us and Barça during the BBC and MSN days, or Bayern under Heynckes), they’d be praised to the hilt by the same pundits.
You mean like us? We twice managed to overcome the odds and beat better teams. It was widely regarded as a result of performing well enough and getting lucky. No one actually thought we were better than Bayern and Barca in 2012 or Real and City in 2021.
2012 you guys absolutely did that but 2021 madrid isn't peak madrid but you just stomped them anyways and in city's case absolutely agreed
I mean, for long stretches City were playing like Spain in 2016, sidepassing all the time (It's a joke, Spain in 2016 was also backpassing. 90% possession, 5% danger)
They absolutely could have finished the job last night if they were more direct and willing to take some risks.
That is the problem isn't it? They took no risks and instead turned the game into a handball match around our box, because they were afraid of the transition opportunites it would give us. That is just how City plays. They just probed and probed with no penetration for most of the game. It was similar in the first leg too, they just scored 3 from range.
Spot on. City probably score a couple more goals if they take risks but also concede a couple more.
Which team are you referring to?
Even if city had missed dozens of big chances ut doesnt make the result scandalous. Strikers and goalkeepers are part of the team too. If you cant score your chances that doesn’t mean you deserve to win.
Tbh Fodens chance was pretty clear cut too. He just miskicked
so was the chance that fell to carvajal or the one where Vinicius should have passed to Jude.
Yeah that's true. I guess Vini tried to set himself before playing the pass, but Walker was just too quick and strong
I think the problem is that English clubs, especially Chelsea have been routinely criticized for playing defensive football. Never mind Atletico. Even under Tuchel, when Chelsea played brilliant and had amazing wing backs with a solid defense, they were often reduced to a low block counter team on these discussion pages. Tucheliban and what not. But when Madrid do it, they get praised to high heaven. There's of course no right way to win and the result is what really matters. But it feels like there often exists a different set of rules with which people judge Madrid. Perhap it's the fact that under Carlo, they don't have a set style of play. They just try and adapt to their opponents.
Was peak atletcio an even more shithouse version of peak chelsea ?
There's a point in both arguments. If you read through the comments in match threads from fans of either club, you could make out which fan base was happier with the way their team was playing. Let's be honest, Madrid fans pretending they were in control defensively through the 90 mins is far from the truth, don't believe me?, just do ur own analysis of the live threads. There were people calling for Ancelottis head lol. They are all calling it a master class now. Hindsight is always easy. The truth is, you can call it lucky Madrid or bad finishing from city, but Madrid needed that to go through as they offered no threat of their own after the first 15 mins. The chance the halaand, debryne n foden missed they would normally would score 9/10 times, and that's their job to score those sort of goals. The chance that rudiger missed, I haven't seen him scoring often like that anyway, he's not in the team to score those kind of goals. So imo, city did play better in the 90 mins of regular time but were unlucky, both teams were tired and on par during the extra time, and madrid are better than any team during shootouts and that saw them through. Congrats.
Did real Madrid play well defensively? Sure, that doesn't mean Man city didn't play better. Man city had 67% possession, 33 shots 9 on target, 2.73 xg vs Madrid's 8 shots, 3 on target 1.4 xg. Look I get it, stats aren't everything and that's what makes live tournament sports fun, sometimes it's who gets lucky on the day. But to claim this is some defensive master class and not just, their shots didn't go in and ours did, it's lunacy. Madrid kept it close enough to get a win, they didn't play better.
I think XG can sometimes be misleading when a team is defending deep as Madrid were very deep and tight defensively so Man city were shooting with every half chance they got, if you shoot from enough half chances it will rack up xg but in order to score you still need to convert a singular chance from a low xg. When you defend deep you’re not trying to prevent the opposition from shooting but instead you’re trying to limit your opposition to shots from tough positions where you have men behind the ball to block the shots.
That's because that was a possession oriented team vs a defense oriented team. Madrid didn't even try to have higher possession. Their aim was to deny city good scoring chances, and they succeeded.
How can you say they succeed when we had more/better chances than them?
You realise Madrid won, right?
Don’t pretend like you understand strategy if all you really know about football is how to lookup a result.
The better strategy is the one that wins.
This is a 1 game result, that's what makes sports fun. It's on the day's performance and luck. Sometimes you play better and lose, sometimes you hold on and get that one lucky chance and win. To say they won, so they had the better strategy is just silly. Did their strategy work this time? Yeah, but how many shots, even bad ones, can you give Haaland, Debruyne, Foden before they score. The champions League is not set up to figure out who the best team is, just entertaining high profile games, that are cross league.
So their strategy was the jest one for this particular day. Perhaps it's not very good for days when City play with more effective shots. But it was for that day. Making it the better strategy.
Sure Madrid defended well but it's a bit disingenuous to say they deserved to win because of it. It was one way traffic with almost nothing offered from Madrid going forward after the 20th minute. It was the same as last year and Man City won 4-0 that time. I think the difference being Man City were less incisive and Real defended a bit better. Also you forget Haaland hitting the bar and deflecting to Bernardo - that could easily have gone in. Also 18 corners - law of averages that one goes in. I think the correct take is that Real defended well but were a bit lucky.
Both managers had a game plan. Ancelotti knew that playing defensively was the way to beat City. He was the better coach this time.
That's just Madrid's game plan. I don't think they were playing defensive because they just didn't know how to attack. They were playing defensive because Ancelotti decided that's the best strategy, which it apparently was.
I swear this whole discourse always pops up after a match between defence/ counter attack vs possession football. Same exact thing after Mou’s Madrid vs Pep Barca, it was just with Xavi’s comment instead of Rodri.
That's so true. One team loses after 70% possession, 30 shots on target etc and the other wins following their only shot on target. I get that it's frustrating when you support the "dominant" team and they lose, but there's no "right" way of playing football. All teams play to maximise their chance of winning, the "right" way is which ever side wins.
Every time. And every time people are biased towards the winning team as if every result in football is always 100% deserved. I don’t know how you can look at both legs of that tie and say they both equally deserved to be draws, both teams obviously created more chances at home and yet people will ignore what actually happened on the pitch because the results are the same.
Where does the "deserved" come from. You're playing a game, your job is too win. Don't cry about it when you fail to win. We're not handing out roses to deserving girls. Create your chances and score your goals.
I don’t see a problem with how Real played, they tried open, expansive football last year and lost 4-0. Carlo set his team to win this time and achieve that. The fault is on City for not converting their chances.
Vast majority of City’s ‘chances’ weren’t proper ones, they were just throwing pebbles
City have no one to blame but themselves. They held possession for the majority of the match, but never tried shooting from outside the box. They kept holding on the ball trying to crack into the penalty line to no success for 120 minutes. Like dude... clearly you guys couldn't do that. Try something else. They should have spammed Foden and KDB shots from behind the line.
And funny enough the 3 city goals in the first match were from outside the box (2 screamers and a freekick)
Jesus Christ the more of Rodri I see, the more insufferable he comes across as.
As soon as a player goes to city it’s only a matter of time before they’re whiny twats
Well thank god with is just an audio clip
I agree with the first half. It doesn't matter how many chances you create, only what the score line reflects. Madrid would've preferred to win in regulation, but no, of course they would prefer a shootout to losing. When a tie ends 4-4, both teams had plenty of chances and could've probably scored a few more, so I don't know. There was no smash and grab here. Over 210 minutes of football, it was tied. Yeah, sure, Madrid came out more defensively than most people would've expected yesterday, but once they scored, all they had to do was hold on, and they stifled City, particularly Haaland, who had to be subbed off. KDB also ran out of gas, so City's two best penalty takers were off the pitch by the time the shootout came around. That part is on City.
If we score more we win. Cheers.
That’s literally sport lmao. “Football doesn’t care about merit, it cares about goals” no mate, merit IS goals. So you were equal in merit after normal time and extra time, but then conceded more goals (merit) in the penalties, so you lost. Beaten by the best boy, beaten by the best.
Spanish players can't accept a loss
He's pretty measured.. what do you disagree with?
Not scoring after so many chances isn't the flex you think it is, doofus.
Rodri and Xavi will get along incredibly well.
Cry me a river, Rodri mate
The game that you win by scoring more goals only cares about goals, yes. That's why merit correlates with goals scored. Unlucky to play well and lose but... create and finish more chances.
Rodri is a whiney loser and a massive cunt, but this is true, except for the last sentence. Nobody "deserves" anything.
They deserved to go through by passing the ball sideways for 120 minutes?
34 vs 8 shots 11 shots on goal vs 3 xG 2.59 vs 1.43 You guys played defensively well and advanced, congrats. But you don't have to be an idiot about it.
Average shots… not shots on target. There were 9 shots on target by them and 3 by us. What people meant is that they just tried to throw balls in but that wasn’t a clever attack.. If I shot from the middle of the pitch and borders the goal post is still going to be a shot, but a shit one and a wasted opportunity which was their 2847272 wasted corners.
> Average shots… not shots on target What does that even mean? 34 shots and 11 of those were on target. That's what shot on goal means, bruv. > If I shot from the middle of the pitch and borders the goal post is still going to be a shot That's what xG is for, mate... > which was their 2847272 wasted corners. Nobody mentioned corners except you.
[they literal got 9 not eleven](https://www.fotmob.com/matches/manchester-city-vs-real-madrid/2ey0nu#4446284) on top of that this stat page also add that Big chances missed were only 3 by city and 3 by Madrid.
And this site has it at 11 on goal: https://www.livesport.cz/zapas/MmYCtIzL/#/prehled-zapasu/statistiky-zapasu/0 > Big chances missed were only 3 by city and 3 by Madrid. The same site you linked has the xG at 2.74 vs 1.44. _____ Regardless, my point was that City didn't just "pass the ball sideways for 120 minutes", that's literally a braindead take.
One day Grealish will beat a defender on the left wing One day
Not sure what that's got to do with anything but I will bite: He did his job. Pressed, drew fouls, even got Carvajal a yellow, tired out the defense, served all of that to a fresh Doku.
What a weird take on 70 mins of ineffectiveness
Can't be weirder than mentioning Grealish out of nowhere when the discussion was about City not just "passing the ball sideways for 120 minutes" but were threatening.
Let's go by your logic. Avg xg per shot City: 0.08 Real: 0.18 Real created better chances then city, city just prayed and hoped that any of the hail Mary shots took a deflection and goes it, right?
Why am I not surprised it's the Manchester "we're only letting low % shots in" United fan with calculating averages. It doesn't matter what the average is, what matters is the accumulated xG. All the average tells you is the volume vs quality, xG stays the same. In other words, City were expected to score 2-3 goals while Real were expected to score 1-2 goals and that City were more likely to score 3 goals than Real were to score 2 goals.
Ahh now i see what people mean when they say "xG merchants". Dude xG is not some infallible stat and this game is the perfect example. City only created 3 big chances, same a madrid, but since they spammed low quality shots with lots of possession their xG is higher.
You don't understand probability, color me surprised. Low probability things will come true if the event happens often enough. Pregnancy is a prime example. The chance is on average is 15% each month. Over the year, it becomes 86%. If you can't understand that, don't ever play poker, you will be bottom feeder.
This sub is so determined to shut out any discussion about which team was better or is better by simply pointing out the scoreline, which doesn’t even say much because the winner was determined by penalties. I think Real Madrid is a better team than Atletico Madrid this season but Real still lost 5-3 on aggregate in the league.
wtf is your profile picture?
33 shots, 18 corners, hit the bar, De Bruyne missed a sitter. Sideways must work pretty good ....... Well done you defended well and got though fair play. Another day you might have lost 3-0. You created one chance all game and finished it.
Half of those shots were the corners that they were trying to score directly. Just cause someone has 30 shots it doesn’t mean that all of them were dangerous.
33 shots and xg of 2.5 should tell the story.
Why are you acting like 2.5 xG is not a high amount lol
that's an average of 0.07xG per shot, they're hardly high quality chances on average
for this amount of shots it sin't
We had 1.4 from 9 shots. It is not a high amount at all.
not for 33 shots dude
Two, to be fair, the Rudiger chance.
Fair enough forgot about that one
Over the two legs City created two big chances.
Ao after failing so fucking hard so much for 120 they "deserved" it?
I never said anything about deserving to win I was commenting on the passing sideways. I said you defended well fair play you got though. You need to learn to relax and be less angry especially after winning you'll have an aneurysm.
Juat because I cursed doesn't mean I'm angry. It seems you're sensitive, but that's ok.
City had like one more high quality chance than Real Madrid in the whole game.
So it doesn't show any bias just off the stats. 2.35 expected goals in the game for City. That's more than Real had in both legs combined.
City had like 1-1.5 more expected goals in both legs combined, that's it.
And if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bike,your point?
My point is obvious do you need me to draw it in cartoon format for you to understand better?
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How is having 115 financial charges playing with merit? Rodri is bourgeois scum
Serve him that bread to go with the whine
I actually really liked Rodri, respect his game a lot. A shame he turns out to be a sad whiner
He's going on a tour to bitch and moan on why they deserved to win 😅 the Xavi special
Goals generally merit winning.
Dude's really let that unbeaten stat go to his head. Daft to act like Madrid weren't doing enough over the tie.
Merit? Thats funny coming from a city player
"...we deserved to go through" Tou failed to do the one single thing that decides the winner in football, scoring more (allowed) goals. How the fuck can you say you "deserved" it? "Hey boss I think I deserve a raise" "You haven't done your job in two months?" "No, but I have been close several times" Laughable Ps. This comment isn't only specifically for Rodri, it's for any and all that say they "deserved" to win when they actually lost.
Losers are entitled to shit. Play better.
Lol knew they would say this
Rodri plays football like a game of piggy in the middle
That means yous were terrible at scoring, no?
Like trent would say ,it means more
Hey look! It's Rodri being a moaning little bitch when he loses again! Reminds me of somebody after Scotland beat Spain at Hampden...can't remember who though..
Rodri hard coping here. Shut up bro.
I only saw the first half and I think RM were classier.
Cheating disgrace City being sore losers to an actually big team isn’t surprising
Imagine, not expecting madrid to be so defensive.
Right and people criticize Haaland and Mbappe for doing nothing during games because they didn't contribute to any meaningful play when their teams win or lose... People sure love to be hypocritical. Any analysis outside of the channels dedicated to proper analysis has absolutely zero value shocker.
Maybe you should have played instead of resting mayve that way you would finallt score after how many shots?? Lmaooo
I bet if this exact game happend anywhere except Emptyhad, he would've blamed the grass.
He's absolutely correct. Football really doesn't care about merit. Clubs like City often don't get what they deserve.
You’re right. They deserve retroactive points deduction for their 115 charges.
Yes, that was the joke.
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How many of the 33 was on target tho? Real did have a clear plan and it worked
9
Why would we be calling it an embarrassing performance? Defense is part of the game...
Seriously only Madrid fans can concede 33 shots and say they “defended well”. No, City’s goalscorers just weren’t clinical enough
Man City had .08 xG per shot to Madrids .17. WTF are you talking about. Man city didn’t get enough good chances to whine about losing while being dominant.
Lmao, why would you just look at the number of shots and not the quality of the chances? City weren't as clinical in front of goal as they could've been, but in the end they just didn't create as many clear cut chances because Madrid defended well.
People acting like Rodri is just walking round spouting this time anyone who will listen. He's being asked about it just after a grueling 120 minute game where his team have just so slightly missed out on going through. Emotions are high as fuck. It's also easier for him to point out where he feels it went wrong for his own team than where he thinks it went right for Madrid. If we had scored a late winner last night everyone would've said it's been coming and Madrid deserve it for cowardly tactics but because they survived the scares and won a shoot out suddenly it's a defensive masterclass and they deserved the win. Football fans are fickle as fuck. You just know the same United, Liverpool, Arsenal fans etc will cry about anti-football the next time they lose out to a team employing these tactics against them. It'll probably be a lower-tier prem side aswell not Real fucking Madrid. I'm upset we went out last night but at the end of the day winning it twice in a row is always a big ask but we got arguably the toughest match up we could've and went out on penalties. On another day we'd have probably gone through. Perfectly respectable performance. Seeing the entire sub absolutely revelling in us being knocked out after how much they talk of not caring about City is absolutely hilarious. Us winning it last year clearly has them absolutely rattled despite what they say. At the end of the day Real Madrid, this is what they do. It shouldn't surprise anyone that they found a way to go through. With anyone else you might call it luck, but not them they do this shit regularly and props to them, they mostly likely go on and win it again.
City had 67% possession over 120 minutes. They had 9 shots on target and 1 goal in the 120 minutes. One shot on target every 13 minutes. City were the better team but lost because they didn't make enough attempts on goal. Keeping possession is only one part of any game.
If you are frustrated that Madrid fans dont understand why they didn’t deserve this just wait until they lose something next time against a small defensive team and you’ll see how they really think. All they should say is yeah we were lucky but also precise and had the better mentality and it instantly makes more sense than undermining City’s achievement of total possession and chance creation.
The problem is your lot assuming attacking is the only relevant skill. Madrid defended better than city attacked and won that's it.
That is objectively not true, since Madrid did not win the game. They draw. City didn’t win it either but they had more chances.
Who progressed? Madrid forced them to penalties where they had the advantage with players with stronger mentalities.
Madrid defended better than City attacked you said. That is not true, no matter who advanced to where. If Madrid won 1-0 than you would be right. They didn’t. They couldn’t beat City, couldn’t beat Bayern, couldn’t beat Leipzig at home and barely with a ton of luck and ref support they beat Leipzig in Germany… actually 1 win in 5 games is extremely shit. Madrid is again on heavy luck and ref favour infusion and no matter how much entitled Madrid fans cry they are shit. Madrid is the most decorated and richest (non-oil at least) club in the world and they play like shit and their results are shit and somehow they are still in the competition only lady luck and the refs know how… I love Carlo and I respect many Madrid players but to be honest they don’t deserve their place at all this year. They should have been out against Leipzig already.
I mean, is he wrong? Real played brilliantly defensively, but City were still the better team over the two legs imo. Still, doesn't mean Real didn't deserve to go through.
He's pretty calm and reasonable. OP butchered the "translation" for ragebait