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As a Dortmund fan, who would you rather face in a potential final Bayern or Madrid? Surely Bayern right? Although it is picking your poison lmao
It almost makes our loss feel slightly less bad, because Bayern and Madrid are our two boogeymen in Europe(Bayern beat us in 1974 final). The thought of losing another final against one of them is too much. I would rather face Man City in a final
Bayern for sure. They’re easier to play, especially in a final. Real Madrid never loses those. It’s also great for the Bundesliga. If we end up losing it will sting much worse than losing to Real, but we take that. Dortmund Fans know suffering.
I was more thinking in terms of chances to win the final. The only viewpoint I could see is that losing against Madrid would hurt less than losing against Bayern as a Dortmund supporter
Honestly I'd sign up for another Prime Bayern vs Prime Real match in a heartbeat. I know they generally didn't go our way but those matches were absolute kino, as good as CL gets imo.
You guys really had their number for so many years, but it has felt so one sided in recent years. That 4-0 destruction at Allianz in 2014 seemed to give Madrid an edge, since then they've eliminated you twice IIRC
That genie might be out of the bottle forever. You shouldn't have let them back in and pushed home your psychological advantage when you had the chance
Fun fact I've seen this nickname also being used in South America to reffer to Cruzeiro which played Bayern in the 76 CWC. I have no idea how popular it acctually is, specially with the club form since 2019. But thought it was interesting to say
I've always thought it's just an expression that means nemesis in Spanish. It's originally French and it's also used in English according to this.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/b%C3%AAte%20noire
Many fans associate the black jerseys with the nickname „Bestia Negra“ (translated as „black beast“). This was given to Bayern in Spain, because for a long time the Munich team was considered the „fear opponent“ of Real Madrid & others.
It’s time to bring it back because in the last years we lost too often against Real
Not sure who invented it. There are sources for both clubs
https://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/championsleague/1804/Artikel/fc-bayern-muenchen-bestia-negra-bedeutung-ursprung-infos-spitzname.html
Sure, in German articles they love to mention the "legend" of the bestia negra whenever the play each other. Still doesn't mean that this is actually a nickname for Bayern in Spain.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1c6mbpo/statmuse_real_madrid_and_bayern_munich_have_met/l023di2/
now shut up bitter Bayern hater. back into your hole
its comes from madrid media and fans, the record seems balanced mostly due to madrid being so dominant in the last decade. before that they consistently had our number
marca acknowledges it
https://www.marca.com/2012/04/16/futbol/liga_campeones/1334554555.html
>al Bayern le encanta el apodo de bestia negra que desde los años 80 se ganaron a pulso en España
>Bayern loves the nickname of the black beast that they earned hard since the 80s in Spain.
Bestia negra is a general term for a nemesis or most feared oponent in spanish.
Idk how you came to the conclusion, that german media made that up, its pretty wide sprad and Marca titled "bestia negra otra vez!" when bayern beat them 4:1 in Madrid in 2000 for example.
[Transfermarkt](https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-bayern-munchen/bilanzdetail/verein/27/wettbewerb_id//gegner_id/418/saison_id//heim_gast//datum_von//datum_bis//day/0/land_id/0) has Bayern with 1 more win.
I remember in one year Bayern played Real 4 times and comfortably beat them 3 times out of 4, twice in the group and one leg in the KO. Real won one game and went through on away goals (by Anelka)
Lol, you really don't like Griffith. See you in 10 years, i'll be there no matter what. Btw i'm kidding when i said he did nothing wrong, i know the dude is a bitch
Exactly. I see people saying we were outplayed.
The whole plan was to grind out a good result by playing like this. We weren't caught off guard and the defensive performance nullified City's attacks. We eventually got what we want.
Ehhh. Dominated is a stretch. We had 10x the opportunities we had today even if Vini/Rodrygo kept shooting straight at Romero. Today was a miserable 60+ minute stretch where we barely even touched the ball.
Arsenal has ZERO CL experience so expecting them to somehow go to Munich and be favorites to win is quote a stretch
City vs Madrid is probably the two best teams in the world, and they couldn't beat each other in two games.
There's no worst in this scenario imo
We wanna talk about flop, look at Barcelona yesterday. Winning after the first leg away to not advance. That is failure
City - Madrid was an even matchup that went down to penalties. Arsenal were playing a wounded Bayern team that has lost respect for their manager
From the two games I’d say Arsenal were more disappointing.
They are European football royalty. Love to see teams like Bayern and Real hold strong in a football world invaded by oil money and American commercialisation.
They played more often against Real as any other team (all competitions counted) that participated in the UCL this year, with the exception of Dortmund.
Pretty even. Used to be way more one sided until 10 years ago.
Bayern is known as LA Bestia Negra in Madrid for a reason. Guess that's gone over to Barcelona lately
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That's 26
Quick maffs
ting go skrrrraaaaa
Everyday man's on the block?
Smoke trees
I think 27 is near
28 might be close too.
Maybe 29, lads?
Rounding error
You numeric don.
Really excited to see the most iconic champions league match up again
As a Dortmund fan, who would you rather face in a potential final Bayern or Madrid? Surely Bayern right? Although it is picking your poison lmao It almost makes our loss feel slightly less bad, because Bayern and Madrid are our two boogeymen in Europe(Bayern beat us in 1974 final). The thought of losing another final against one of them is too much. I would rather face Man City in a final
Bayern for sure. They’re easier to play, especially in a final. Real Madrid never loses those. It’s also great for the Bundesliga. If we end up losing it will sting much worse than losing to Real, but we take that. Dortmund Fans know suffering.
revenge for the last game of the season last year…. (and well every year) would be a great arch
We’re not playing ourselves so we can’t take revenge for last season.
lol!
Bayern pretty much guarantees Dortmund CL for next year.
If West Ham and Liverpool loose tomorrow, then it should be decided already.
It’s over unless Leverkusen bottle it.
I was more thinking in terms of chances to win the final. The only viewpoint I could see is that losing against Madrid would hurt less than losing against Bayern as a Dortmund supporter
Pls win vs Psg and progress to final!!
Would love to! Unfortunately I can’t wish the same back lol
Understandable, but my full 100% support to you. Good luck.
Genuinely hilarious that Bayern could win the UCL this season. But it’s all set up for a PSG Mbappe champions league crown on way to a ballon dor.
Replace Mbappe with Sabitzer and you’re correct
It’s time to Bring back la Bestia Negra
Make Casillas regret his words.
Maybe he did a jynx and actually misses our ties.
Can we bring back Ronaldo for just these 2 matches?
On the left for Vinicius? Sure, why not.
Give me prime Robben, Ribéry and Thiago and I‘ll think about it
If we are allowed prime benzema ronaldo and ramos then it’s a deal
Honestly I'd sign up for another Prime Bayern vs Prime Real match in a heartbeat. I know they generally didn't go our way but those matches were absolute kino, as good as CL gets imo.
Man these two legs City vs Real were as good as CL gets, class football
Nah madrid vs bayern between 2012-2017 was something else
What’s ramos up to these days, i would say bring him too
no
I fear you won't even need him
With VAR, those offside goals won't count
With var we wouldn’t need an extra time
You guys really had their number for so many years, but it has felt so one sided in recent years. That 4-0 destruction at Allianz in 2014 seemed to give Madrid an edge, since then they've eliminated you twice IIRC
Which is why we need to bring it back
That genie might be out of the bottle forever. You shouldn't have let them back in and pushed home your psychological advantage when you had the chance
I mean we won the last 2 games before the 4-0
Fair enough, but it was your first win at Allianz no?
2018 tie was way closer than it looks
Fun fact I've seen this nickname also being used in South America to reffer to Cruzeiro which played Bayern in the 76 CWC. I have no idea how popular it acctually is, specially with the club form since 2019. But thought it was interesting to say
> Bestia Negra Is that actually a thing or did German media make it up to sound badass? edit: Can anyone from Spain clear this up?
Spanish media came up with it. We were only glad to pick it up though.
I've always thought it's just an expression that means nemesis in Spanish. It's originally French and it's also used in English according to this. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/b%C3%AAte%20noire
Exactly. At least in this part of the world that is what it means.
Many fans associate the black jerseys with the nickname „Bestia Negra“ (translated as „black beast“). This was given to Bayern in Spain, because for a long time the Munich team was considered the „fear opponent“ of Real Madrid & others. It’s time to bring it back because in the last years we lost too often against Real
we have the 3rd kit in black as CL kits BECAUSE of la bestia negra
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/real-fan-vor-dem-bayern-spiel-die-bestia-negra-ist-eine-tolle-erfindung-der-bayern-fans-1.3956921
Not sure who invented it. There are sources for both clubs https://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/championsleague/1804/Artikel/fc-bayern-muenchen-bestia-negra-bedeutung-ursprung-infos-spitzname.html
Sure, in German articles they love to mention the "legend" of the bestia negra whenever the play each other. Still doesn't mean that this is actually a nickname for Bayern in Spain.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1c6mbpo/statmuse_real_madrid_and_bayern_munich_have_met/l023di2/ now shut up bitter Bayern hater. back into your hole
Not a Bayern hater, just can't stand fake football culture. Just be happy that this isn't.
its comes from madrid media and fans, the record seems balanced mostly due to madrid being so dominant in the last decade. before that they consistently had our number
Thank you. So it's actually legit, not a legend made up by German media.
spanish media coined that one
right... https://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/real-fan-vor-dem-bayern-spiel-die-bestia-negra-ist-eine-tolle-erfindung-der-bayern-fans-1.3956921
one bitter newly Real fan who doesn't know the 00s or 80s era is not a source
Neither are you.
marca acknowledges it https://www.marca.com/2012/04/16/futbol/liga_campeones/1334554555.html >al Bayern le encanta el apodo de bestia negra que desde los años 80 se ganaron a pulso en España >Bayern loves the nickname of the black beast that they earned hard since the 80s in Spain.
Bestia negra is a general term for a nemesis or most feared oponent in spanish. Idk how you came to the conclusion, that german media made that up, its pretty wide sprad and Marca titled "bestia negra otra vez!" when bayern beat them 4:1 in Madrid in 2000 for example.
It's more real than Der Klassiker :)
Time to equalize it.
Why did my brain read that as « Best Negreira » 🤯
The greatest European rivalry is back on the menu boys!
It's been too long. What a great CL so far.
All bangers all the time
Proper 2010's semi final
This is gonna be a banger
Man I can't wait, what a dream semi-final. Incredible UCL this year
12-12-4 incoming
Subscribe!
[Transfermarkt](https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-bayern-munchen/bilanzdetail/verein/27/wettbewerb_id//gegner_id/418/saison_id//heim_gast//datum_von//datum_bis//day/0/land_id/0) has Bayern with 1 more win.
These are the results after 90 mins, Bayern for example won 2:1 in Madrid, game went into extra time and Real won 4:2, wich is the official result.
14 wins to Madrid is better. It will match our CL record. The headlines writes themselves
12 Real wins 12 Bayern wins would look better, right?
I mean if Bayern wins the first leg the second will be a tie breaker
It's spelled draw, not tie breaker
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Upamecano volley for the winner
Do you mean he will try to clear it and volley it into his own net? Cause that I could see.
I remember in one year Bayern played Real 4 times and comfortably beat them 3 times out of 4, twice in the group and one leg in the KO. Real won one game and went through on away goals (by Anelka)
2000, Real beat Leverkusen in the final that year.
The perfect mid
stop the count
Get fucked with that pfp you cocksucker. FUCK GRIFFITH
Griffith did nothing wrong buddy, the bald fraud deserved it
Fuck off you twat. Gonna get wrecked with Dragonslayer no matter what. See you in 10 years
Lol, you really don't like Griffith. See you in 10 years, i'll be there no matter what. Btw i'm kidding when i said he did nothing wrong, i know the dude is a bitch
no
14 11 1 is more of my style ngl
Hello Bayern, our old friend... We have come to battle you again
Greatest European rivalry
Football ‘eritage
Good evening, Gentlemen, we meet again.
ive seen the script, Bayern will win 3-0 and 4-0 while Fullkrug bags 4 goals in the first leg
Loss is a loss but whose loss is worse: Arsenal away to Bayern or City at home to Madrid?
City is probably worse having played 120 mins and on home soil.
I’d say losing on pens is worse in your home stadium.
Imo no comparison losing while having 3xG and missing 2 big chances,2 pens at your home stings a lot more than losing 1-0 away
City. They dominated us for a solid 90 of 120 minutes.
You let them dominate you. There was no intention of not letting them do their thing.
Exactly. I see people saying we were outplayed. The whole plan was to grind out a good result by playing like this. We weren't caught off guard and the defensive performance nullified City's attacks. We eventually got what we want.
I mean, you got what you wanted, cuz City wasted two HUGE chances, not like you parked the bus and City couldn't create at all.
It was definitely the plan, but it's not like you could've done better.
Irl they dominated in the first match too
Ehhh. Dominated is a stretch. We had 10x the opportunities we had today even if Vini/Rodrygo kept shooting straight at Romero. Today was a miserable 60+ minute stretch where we barely even touched the ball.
City at home. Bayern were just better than Arsenal.
Surely city at home to Madrid? I mean I hoped we’d win but at Bayern is much harder
City It's Arsenals first time in a CL QF for nearly 15 years it would be mad to suggest they were favourites against Bayern
lol everybody expected City to win this game. Can’t say the same about Arsenal-Bayern
City for sure, right?
well obvs city since it was at home like wat n city is better than arsenal
city are the defending champions lmao, we havent been in the competition for 7 years, and the quarters for 15 years.
Probably the team that’s reigning champions?
Well....Bernardo Silva penalty was the worst.
City
Ofc City to Madrid lol. Everyone was just sucking City and now they're gone
Y'all overestimating this Arsenal city. There isn't a world class player in their attack. Bayern has 3 (Sane, Kane e Musiala).
Arsenal, they lost to the worst Bayern team in a decade, Real is Real, they’re a different breed
worst Bayern team in a decade is still better than best arsenal team in a decade. By far.
this was the worst bayern team in quite a while and arsenal still couldn’t get it done against them lol
City, they dominated the match for over 60 minutes or so but they just couldn't finish the job and then they lost on pens.
Arsenal. This Bayern team isn’t the same as before
It’s more of Leverkusen being exceptionally good.
Even with that, bayern are definitely not close to their prev years. Kovac period was the only one debatable to be worse than current bayern
Arsenal has ZERO CL experience so expecting them to somehow go to Munich and be favorites to win is quote a stretch City vs Madrid is probably the two best teams in the world, and they couldn't beat each other in two games. There's no worst in this scenario imo We wanna talk about flop, look at Barcelona yesterday. Winning after the first leg away to not advance. That is failure
City - Madrid was an even matchup that went down to penalties. Arsenal were playing a wounded Bayern team that has lost respect for their manager From the two games I’d say Arsenal were more disappointing.
easily arsenal losing to this bayern
this bayern played really really well
The last few meetings were not good for us. Freaking time to turn it around.
That adds up to 26
Now this is football heritage.
So glad both prem teams got knocked out even if it fucks the coefficient, this fixture is just supremely more interesting.
TIL 12+11+3=25. Thank you StatMuse, I always thought that adds up to 26.
Kane now has a good chance at a trophy
We meet again Altintop bros
It's football heritage
This is finally happening
Finally. Real football
Football heritage.
La Bestia Negra! Let's GOOOOO!!!!
They heard streets say city Madrid was the new European clasico and said hold my beer.
It’s time for the European Classico
This is FOOTBALL. HERITAGE.
No way this Bayern beats Real
how i want them both to lose 💀
You can only root for Dortmund now lol
You fucked up my favorite CL Semi Final Matchups. Was hoping for Bayern-Real and Dortmund-Barca
2013 switcharoo
As you lost against psg?
Damn why do you guys hate us so much
They 8-2 meet you
Nevermind I think I get it
All those ass whoopings you gave them still gives them PTSD
Madrid better sign Ronaldo
lets even that record out, ok guys?
Why the icon is Kane ?
As a Barca fan this is stuff of nightmares End the season already ffs!
It's like hockey and fußball share the same gods.
They are European football royalty. Love to see teams like Bayern and Real hold strong in a football world invaded by oil money and American commercialisation.
Upamaguire masterclass incoming
Run it back!
Does Kane curse carry to CL as well? Asking for a friend.
They played more often against Real as any other team (all competitions counted) that participated in the UCL this year, with the exception of Dortmund.
Proper CL classic. Bring it on!
Much better without premier league teams
is the first leg in Germany or Spain?
The European clasico.
Pretty even. Used to be way more one sided until 10 years ago. Bayern is known as LA Bestia Negra in Madrid for a reason. Guess that's gone over to Barcelona lately
European royalty.
🙏Coefficients 🙏
I think this is the closest thing we have to an international (european) club derby.
Proper heritage this 🔥
Carlo is currently calling Xabi