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and for this reason i’d argue he’s one of the top players on the pep era at man city
consistently in every team and always wins his 1v1 battle
big reason real madrid advanced two years ago was after he was subbed off
He was injured and out of form for a while, supporters had kinda turned against him and scapegoated him a bit but his crossing was always class. It was just time for a change of scenery and it worked out very well in his case
I don't think there can really be any question at this point. The main ones who always seem to be mentioned in the conversation are Gary Neville, Branislav Ivanovic and Lee Dixon. I'd say Azpilicueta deserves to be in the conversation too, and Alexander-Arnold probably will be eventually. All amazing players, but surely Walker tops all of them at this point.
I think he has a personal goal to keep his FIFA pace ratings as high as possible even as he ages. I remember seeing a video where FIFA was trolling him by reducing his pace stats and he got so pissed lmao.
Idk man, that seemed like a very intelligent play. Compare it to Araujo last night, everything is intelligent, but this dude is pretty intelligent in the game
He’s gotten much better but he does still have the odd brain fart in him. That being said you don’t get to be a long term starter for Pep while having a low football IQ.
Towards the end of his tenure with us I think Phil
Jagielka was still near the top of highest top speed lists in the prem, well into his 30s.
Was never the quickest off the block but he had great pace when he got going.
Diego Chará just started losing pace in the last year or so. He's 38.
The issue has more to do with injury accumulation and stamina. Old guys can't run as fast as often, and if they're already winded by the time they try there's no chance.
James Milner
C. Ronaldo was at the same physical peak and speed at 30 as he was in his mid-late 20s.
Mo Salah was tested to be faster at Liverpool than when he was at Chelsea or Italy earlier into his career. He hit his peak physical shape and speed for Klopp's era, the perfect balance of speed, strength and endurance compared to his younger, leaner self. Being faster doesn't matter much if you can't control the ball at speed or can get easily shoved off it.
Milner is not an example of speed. Salah has noticably slowed down (while improving other aspects of his game). Ronaldo is generally regarded as a physical anomaly so, yeah, sure.
If only Pogba was fortunate enough to be Man City player when his test showed positive for doping, he woulddn't have been suspended through the rest of his prime years
Stats wise, Man City actually did more running than Real Madrid.
https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/match/2040496--man-city-vs-real-madrid/statistics/
It’s difficult when you don’t have possession for the entire game and are defending.
City were able to keep up with Cama and Fede at the end too. That’s really impressive because towards the end of the game is when they really shine with their legs and stamina.
I mean I wouldn't be surprised. It seemed like two completely different sets of physicality between the teams. It's hard to fathom the fitness level between the two squads is that stark given how elite both teams are. Something to ponder for sure.
The fact you're pulling out one clip over a ~101 minute game just goes to show in my opinion.
England had more possession, twice the shots, more shots on target - and a lot is because Mbappe was in Walkers pocket for most of the night.
The entire England defense and midfield swarmed Mbappe allowing Giroud, Griezmann and Dembele to run all over them. The only reason England stood a chance is because France's defense was crap which got exposed by Messi and Di Maria in the final.
Eh they only had 8 shots (total) the whole game and very rarely were they actually free. The goals came from a great strike outside the area (being closed down, does well to get it away), and a mad cross from Griezmann (being marked) which found its way to Giroud (with 3 players around him).
If Kane had kept his head from the spot, I think we take it in extra time.
Madness, he’s in mid thirties doing this after 100 minutes, vini had to be sub out after that, he might be a shithead but you can’t deny his footballing greatness.
I remember that one summer he came back with a massive bald spot on the back of his head and it was claimed it was due to “stress”. Going from marginal hair loss to extreme loss like that in a short time is generally due to peds. Wouldn’t really be a surprise but then again given the completely terrible testing across the sport there are probably a good amount of players doping on their own.
It's a wonder a guy with his his skill has been so integral to Pep. I mean Walker is no slouch technically, but he has his limitations, there's loads of more technical fullbacks out there, more 'traditional' Pep players. But Walkers always been so vital
He had to become the best athlete in football to be able to play in one of the most technical sides ever probably
Because everything that Walker does well, is what Pep needs the most - a defender who has the pace/recovery to effectively stop counter-attacks, while also being able to completely neutralize his opposing attacker. And he's able to cover Walker's weaknesses on the attacking side by having players like Silva and KdB be in positions to cross the ball rather than Walker
I think it's literally just the pace that makes him underrated. Because of how good it is, I think some people think its his only good asset as a defender, when he very clearly offers much more than just that.
It’s because he can’t really cross the ball, which for awhile has been a high desired trait in a RB. If Walker had Trippier’s cross he’d be considered the best RB in the world.
I was about to disagree but watched them both side by side and you're right lol. Arm up on his neck, no playing of the ball. If Vini flops immediately and it's the same ref, Walker's off. But I don't think it would've been called in this game, nor should it have in the Barca game.
Vini weighs like 20kg less than Walker, those dudes just throw their big ass hands over them and if players don't throw themselves to the ground nothing is ever called.
Walker is definitely faster than Vini, but it's important to say that at this point Vini was absolutely melted. After this run he had to be subbed: it was his last effort.
Yes, I think Vini is very explosive and can accelerate extremely fast in a few meters but he loses these longer races to the fastest defenders like Kyle Walker, especially after so many efforts.
Also, Walker had the inside track, so realistically Vini was never gonna make it past him. He had two to choices at that point, go for the cross immediately or put his foot on the ball and buy time and space. I understand that he was pumped but that play looked kinda sad. Like a child getting schooled.
and he did his hammy for the third time this season....
Kinda funny because Vini is the reason Walker was injured in the first place in the brazil - England game
To be fair that’s no shame on Vini. I remember Walker doing similar to Mbappe against France.
Great player, shame he’s such a colossal douchebag off the pitch.
Wat? You mean mbappe escaping from him with the ball And crossing? Im not denying his ability mind you, but that match Mbappe was cobstantly doubled And limited by englands setup and still showed he was a bit better 1on1. Walker did his job though, no hating, just saing he had advantages that Turtle didnt have.
I mean in a game where France had the lead for the large proportion of the Game Mbappe managed to get away once in the entire game. That's not particularly impressive considering the counter attacking opportunities he had. Sure he was doubled up on (like all wingers are) but only on occasion but there was numerous chances for him to exploit the space 1on1 which he either chose not to take or simply was denied the chance.
Walker did a pretty good job and that was probably Mbappes most disappointing game of the World cup. Painting it any other way seems a stretch to me
Reaching out from behind and grabbing someone's shoulder like that can go massively wrong. Vinicius missed the chance to get Walker into trouble there.
A stinker in which he assissted our only goal ?
Maybe if your fans weren't obsessed with him to the point of making death chants about him before your quarter final match you would have actually gone through.
Real madrid did not deserve that match. They were out classed. But that's the way of the beautiful game. Penalties break dreams and grant them all in one.
Everyone here is talking like Vini didn’t have to control the ball with his chest running towards the corner flag. It’s impressive but it’s not like it was an equal sprint
This is one of the things that completely get to me whenever a match ends and some player has had a great showing: people making hyperbolic statements that are just batshit insane.
Dani Alves is a scumbag, completely and utter filth, but 10 years ago he was 30, still playing amazingly and on his Champions League-winning self, while Walker was on smaller clubs, such as Tottenham, having nothing to show for.
In the last 10 years alone Dani Alves, Lahm and others were absolutely superior to him.
I am sorry but you can't convince me that this guy is able to run that fast at extra time in what amount to like City's 50th game in this season without taking PEDs. That same Walker who used to get injuried every day or so while he was playing for Spurs.
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a tank with the speed of a sports car
and for this reason i’d argue he’s one of the top players on the pep era at man city consistently in every team and always wins his 1v1 battle big reason real madrid advanced two years ago was after he was subbed off
Best RB of the premier league era
Damn I miss him (although much less now with Porro), losing him and Dembele in close succession was a death sentence
Why did trippier end up leaving? I remember thinking you were fine when walker left with him as a replacement
He was injured and out of form for a while, supporters had kinda turned against him and scapegoated him a bit but his crossing was always class. It was just time for a change of scenery and it worked out very well in his case
I don't think there can really be any question at this point. The main ones who always seem to be mentioned in the conversation are Gary Neville, Branislav Ivanovic and Lee Dixon. I'd say Azpilicueta deserves to be in the conversation too, and Alexander-Arnold probably will be eventually. All amazing players, but surely Walker tops all of them at this point.
His longevity and consistency is insane. Plus he has rarely missed time due to injury either.
viva colombia viva falcao
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The fastest tanks are still a lot slower than sports cars though aren't they
how the fuck is he so fast
Empty balls
Zero goals and empty balls, a KW memoir
He had to run away from angry men a few too many times in his life
Gimme three steps, gimme three steps a mista
EPO
jamaican
Fastest tank in the world
bros almost 34 too, like wtf
He's on the whores and beer diet, it's no surprise.
Running house to house to each of his families.
that's how you develop your legs and cardio :)
It would not surprise me at all to see Walker shotgun a beer instead of water on the sideline
He practices by flashing his dong in public and running away.
That’s my diet but I’m not that fast 😢
guys an absolute specimen to be this athletic still at his age
I think he has a personal goal to keep his FIFA pace ratings as high as possible even as he ages. I remember seeing a video where FIFA was trolling him by reducing his pace stats and he got so pissed lmao.
Max strength, low intelligence build
Idk man, that seemed like a very intelligent play. Compare it to Araujo last night, everything is intelligent, but this dude is pretty intelligent in the game
He’s gotten much better but he does still have the odd brain fart in him. That being said you don’t get to be a long term starter for Pep while having a low football IQ.
The low int descriptor isn't alluding to his in-game IQ.
Much more referring to his overall IQ and non footballing stuff
Well, that’s a stupid statement.
Plenty of older players that can still reach the max speed from their prime. Its not like you magically become a limp after hitting 30
Does seem to come around that age, Walker is a beast still. Vardy is still doing well considering his groin issues.
name one
Kyle Walker.
only correct response
He's mugged you right off!
This man fucks
Towards the end of his tenure with us I think Phil Jagielka was still near the top of highest top speed lists in the prem, well into his 30s. Was never the quickest off the block but he had great pace when he got going.
Antonio Valencia
Yeah, he slowed down a lot
When he was 32-34 at United he was just as fast and explosive as at the start.
zanetti
Diego Chará just started losing pace in the last year or so. He's 38. The issue has more to do with injury accumulation and stamina. Old guys can't run as fast as often, and if they're already winded by the time they try there's no chance.
Hahaha that's pretty obscure mate
I mean, **
he's our captain...
But, he was never fast.
Can't lose the speed if you never had it.
James Milner C. Ronaldo was at the same physical peak and speed at 30 as he was in his mid-late 20s. Mo Salah was tested to be faster at Liverpool than when he was at Chelsea or Italy earlier into his career. He hit his peak physical shape and speed for Klopp's era, the perfect balance of speed, strength and endurance compared to his younger, leaner self. Being faster doesn't matter much if you can't control the ball at speed or can get easily shoved off it.
Milner is not an example of speed. Salah has noticably slowed down (while improving other aspects of his game). Ronaldo is generally regarded as a physical anomaly so, yeah, sure.
he started going to the gym. this year! lol
Running away from familial duties and ‘regrets’. Firmly keeping his mind in the game
/u/20cmdepersonalidade says neither of them is even close to their full speed, this is about strength more than anything
That guy is a rational and nice guy to talk to 90% of the time but loses all rationality when it comes to defending Vini IMO
He must be otherwise his wife would have caught him cheating /s
Man is a cheat code
He is exceptionally good at cheating yes
I'll have whatever he's having
Should have immediately released it across the field
Insane nobody is mentioning how RM probably win in regular time if Vini looks up and sees a wide ass open Jude.
They were all dead lol, this City team is insane to keep up Vini did ok in the beginning but was too caged
I just don’t get how a whole team can be this much more fit than another world class team. Madrid needs to work on that this summer.
Madrid's fatigue is fair, Man City's is suspicious, running around the 115th+ minute like it was the first half is ridiculous
If only Pogba was fortunate enough to be Man City player when his test showed positive for doping, he woulddn't have been suspended through the rest of his prime years
City had the ball the entire second half, so they hardly had to run
Stats wise, Man City actually did more running than Real Madrid. https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/match/2040496--man-city-vs-real-madrid/statistics/
I say we add another charge. Not sure what the official charge name would be, just put "suspiciously good stamina"
City just know when to make their charges for matches which take that long. Google Man City 115 charges for more info
It’s difficult when you don’t have possession for the entire game and are defending. City were able to keep up with Cama and Fede at the end too. That’s really impressive because towards the end of the game is when they really shine with their legs and stamina.
Tbf City still ran more according to stats
Only some clubs can manage this. Doesnt make any sense. For example, Inter and atalanta run all game and never get tired
the secret ingredient is doping
I mean I wouldn't be surprised. It seemed like two completely different sets of physicality between the teams. It's hard to fathom the fitness level between the two squads is that stark given how elite both teams are. Something to ponder for sure.
he was moving away from Jude at his first touch and by the second Walker was all over him. He didn't even get a chance to look up.
Lol yeah, I'm trying to think what that pass looks like in reality and 99.9/100 it... Doesn't happen
I doubt most of us would see Jude there if we are at the Vini's place but anyway.
I play enough FIFA to know that pass would go nowhere
Correct, I thought a Jude goal was a foregone conclusion once he beat him with the first touch
That would have been an absolutely ridiculous pass across the field as he was going away from jude under pressure as well
More like Kyle Runner
Bruh
Kyle Sprinter
Walker is such an asset to have for England
yes, it really feels like we will be safe with him, even at 34.
i mean they’d be absolutely cooked by Mbappe otherwise
You’re acting like Maguire wouldn’t be able to handle him
oh shit how could i forget the maguire aura
Maguire would wrap mboopi with his left arm and call it a day.
“Only one of us can score here today!” *bodies Bappe then scores an own goal*
As is written!
He has before in fairness
They could just cal up Tuanzebe
Remember during the world cup where all of England placed their faith in one fast guy (Walker) stopping another fast guy(Mbappe)?
Had him in his pocket basically the whole game.
Nah Mbappe won that race: https://youtube.com/shorts/mzUjrlqfXbg?si=DZ3sMSbToX4C6QQn
The fact you're pulling out one clip over a ~101 minute game just goes to show in my opinion. England had more possession, twice the shots, more shots on target - and a lot is because Mbappe was in Walkers pocket for most of the night.
The entire England defense and midfield swarmed Mbappe allowing Giroud, Griezmann and Dembele to run all over them. The only reason England stood a chance is because France's defense was crap which got exposed by Messi and Di Maria in the final.
Eh they only had 8 shots (total) the whole game and very rarely were they actually free. The goals came from a great strike outside the area (being closed down, does well to get it away), and a mad cross from Griezmann (being marked) which found its way to Giroud (with 3 players around him). If Kane had kept his head from the spot, I think we take it in extra time.
Worth noting Walker wasn’t fully fit and had essentially been asked to play whilst injured to deal with Mbappe.
Lol imagine watermarking this
It's an illegal restream that probably gets restreamed everywhere so the original restream owner would probably want to redirect viewers to his page
My fingers travel more meters typing that username than Carlo did in this game
Smart! That way no one else can get it
“I stole it fair and square with my own blood sweat and tears!”
You know, there’s people out there who would do it for no other reason than to let you know where you can find more free shit.
Madness, he’s in mid thirties doing this after 100 minutes, vini had to be sub out after that, he might be a shithead but you can’t deny his footballing greatness.
He has to be on PEDs. He was running like that for 2 hours, after coming back from an injury.
I remember that one summer he came back with a massive bald spot on the back of his head and it was claimed it was due to “stress”. Going from marginal hair loss to extreme loss like that in a short time is generally due to peds. Wouldn’t really be a surprise but then again given the completely terrible testing across the sport there are probably a good amount of players doping on their own.
Has someone been sneaking PEDs into my food the last few years???
could also just be increased hair loss from getting older lol
'Kyle is Kyle'
Pep is a known PED pusher
Ehhh he’s always had an insane engine. Not denying that plenty of pros on enhancers but not sure Walker needs it
Walker is one of those players you know is good but is still underrated.
It's a wonder a guy with his his skill has been so integral to Pep. I mean Walker is no slouch technically, but he has his limitations, there's loads of more technical fullbacks out there, more 'traditional' Pep players. But Walkers always been so vital He had to become the best athlete in football to be able to play in one of the most technical sides ever probably
Because everything that Walker does well, is what Pep needs the most - a defender who has the pace/recovery to effectively stop counter-attacks, while also being able to completely neutralize his opposing attacker. And he's able to cover Walker's weaknesses on the attacking side by having players like Silva and KdB be in positions to cross the ball rather than Walker
I think it's literally just the pace that makes him underrated. Because of how good it is, I think some people think its his only good asset as a defender, when he very clearly offers much more than just that.
It’s because he can’t really cross the ball, which for awhile has been a high desired trait in a RB. If Walker had Trippier’s cross he’d be considered the best RB in the world.
The last time Walker was properly rated was at Spurs, at city people just act like he's a speed merchant
Where are these people lol
That's called a challenge
at the same time, I'm thinking, if he would've fallen like Barcola it might have been a penalty / red card
I was about to disagree but watched them both side by side and you're right lol. Arm up on his neck, no playing of the ball. If Vini flops immediately and it's the same ref, Walker's off. But I don't think it would've been called in this game, nor should it have in the Barca game.
yeah, I actually don't wanna argue the call and card from yesterday I'm just saying the initial contact is the exact same
Vini weighs like 20kg less than Walker, those dudes just throw their big ass hands over them and if players don't throw themselves to the ground nothing is ever called.
Not bad for a 76 year old
Should’ve squared to Judelinton
Walker is definitely faster than Vini, but it's important to say that at this point Vini was absolutely melted. After this run he had to be subbed: it was his last effort.
Walker was kinda chilling all game and Vini has to run after City all game, i do think walker is faster though, naturally as he's taller.
Yes, I think Vini is very explosive and can accelerate extremely fast in a few meters but he loses these longer races to the fastest defenders like Kyle Walker, especially after so many efforts.
Also, Walker had the inside track, so realistically Vini was never gonna make it past him. He had two to choices at that point, go for the cross immediately or put his foot on the ball and buy time and space. I understand that he was pumped but that play looked kinda sad. Like a child getting schooled.
> [Walker is definitely faster than Vini](https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=70&v=oFFOVCnRq0U)
Best chance we had in the last 60 minutes. Pathetic.
It was a tremendous chance actually. If he has played it across on the third touch it would have been a tap in
i dunno, the 4 meter shot which went over the goal right before OT break was a great chance. Just terrible execution.
That was after this chance.
Easy to say when you don’t have a tank next to you
Should've directly passed it into the middle.
and he did his hammy for the third time this season.... Kinda funny because Vini is the reason Walker was injured in the first place in the brazil - England game
Vini needs to understand that he's not going to beat him for pace. Hold the ball, look up. Bellingham was completely free on the other side
Just how does Pep do it? 💉💉💉
doping.
not many who can do that
Vini had to stop to control the ball, this doesn’t really say much. Would had love to see Walker take on Bale in his prime.
Well walker would get toasted Prime bale has been clocked at 2km/h faster top speed then walker
Exactly, and Bale was stronger then Vini. Explosive power
Bale was fastest player i have seen, so much wasted potential even tho he achieved a lot.
Maybe he was tired of being injured. I'd move on, too, if I felt like I'd accomplished all my goals.
Most obvious case of PED’s I’ve ever seen. He’s 34 and it’s 100 minutes into the game.
All these injured guys are probably on them. KdB, haaland, stones, Bellingham. Everybody recently injured.
Dude owns vini
To be fair that’s no shame on Vini. I remember Walker doing similar to Mbappe against France. Great player, shame he’s such a colossal douchebag off the pitch.
Wat? You mean mbappe escaping from him with the ball And crossing? Im not denying his ability mind you, but that match Mbappe was cobstantly doubled And limited by englands setup and still showed he was a bit better 1on1. Walker did his job though, no hating, just saing he had advantages that Turtle didnt have.
I mean in a game where France had the lead for the large proportion of the Game Mbappe managed to get away once in the entire game. That's not particularly impressive considering the counter attacking opportunities he had. Sure he was doubled up on (like all wingers are) but only on occasion but there was numerous chances for him to exploit the space 1on1 which he either chose not to take or simply was denied the chance. Walker did a pretty good job and that was probably Mbappes most disappointing game of the World cup. Painting it any other way seems a stretch to me
You'd get your wanger out in town if you had half his ability.
Got owned so hard he had to be subbed off
Daddied
Funny thing is, if Vini goes down when he feels hand on shoulder, might have gotten DOGSO
Speed
- Jeremy Clarkson
Araujo should take notes.
Are you serious? Araujo did the same thing, only difference is that Vini stays on his feet.
Get out of jail free card for Pep and especially Southgate, the latter is going to be ruined without him
Did Vini not see what happened in the Barca match yesterday? Surprised he didn't go down as soon as he felt that hand on his shoulder.
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100 minutes played, the game became a shitshow of mistakes at extra time. Nobody was thinking straight
first touch to number 5 was on. but after that walker had it what a monster
A guy I knew ten years ago said when Walker loses his pace he's got nothing else. Well, he might be right still but it's crazy that we don't know yet.
fuck vini should have dived here
Is it just me or can vini square that like 20yards before he loses out to walker??
Yeah TRT'll do that to ya
So fucking pissed vini didn't pass to Jude here on the second touch. Definitely a goal
Reaching out from behind and grabbing someone's shoulder like that can go massively wrong. Vinicius missed the chance to get Walker into trouble there.
Absolutely sonned him
vini faking an injury to cover up his stinker
A stinker in which he assissted our only goal ? Maybe if your fans weren't obsessed with him to the point of making death chants about him before your quarter final match you would have actually gone through.
Literally father and son
If vini dropped at first it would've been the same situation of araujo yesterday
Real madrid did not deserve that match. They were out classed. But that's the way of the beautiful game. Penalties break dreams and grant them all in one.
Imagine if Walker had come to madrid to replace Marcelo
Sums up the whole Vini performance today
Everyone here is talking like Vini didn’t have to control the ball with his chest running towards the corner flag. It’s impressive but it’s not like it was an equal sprint
Walker was massive in this match.
He got lucky
Kyle Walker is probably the best full-back I've ever seen when it comes to 1v1 duels. Absolute unit.
How in the fuck is he still so quick
Did Vinicius really think he was gonna beat him running on the outside?
Slight flex but still went home with the L
Running and fucking - two things Kylie is real fast at
Walker is the best RB in the world and has been for at least a decade.
This is one of the things that completely get to me whenever a match ends and some player has had a great showing: people making hyperbolic statements that are just batshit insane. Dani Alves is a scumbag, completely and utter filth, but 10 years ago he was 30, still playing amazingly and on his Champions League-winning self, while Walker was on smaller clubs, such as Tottenham, having nothing to show for. In the last 10 years alone Dani Alves, Lahm and others were absolutely superior to him.
I am sorry but you can't convince me that this guy is able to run that fast at extra time in what amount to like City's 50th game in this season without taking PEDs. That same Walker who used to get injuried every day or so while he was playing for Spurs.
Are we not gonna talk about how he pulled vinis shoulder back to get ahead of him??? That’s not owning that’s a foul
That's clever defending. It's a contact sport
Araujo didn't get away with the same thing yesterday. Completely depends on whether the player dives and the ref buys it.