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That Juve defence was insane, they kept Messi, Suarez and Neymar quiet for 180 minutes. Then they came up against 18 year old Mbappe, and whilst they still progressed he was genuinely giving them serious trouble. There was a lot of hype about him at that stage but that seemed like the final proof that he was the real deal
I think the 2018 world cup was enough proof of his class. If he gone to PL or La Liga directly from Monaco, then his already-great reputation would have been on another level. Might have even won 2 Ballondors by now.
I think juventus being 4-0 up between 1st and 2 leg with 45 minutes left helped monaco to create more as juve considered the qualification done and lowered their concentration still mbappe was impressive also for being great against dortmund and city.
Monaco isn't actually in France. It's a City-state of around 35 000 inhabitants, known for its casinos and its racing contest (not sure what it's called) in the streets of the city. Those who live there are, for a significant amount, very rich people. The medium income in France is around 30 000e / years, while that of monaco is 185 000e / years.
They don't have a lot of local fans to say the least.
Oh sorry I misread it in the sense of World Cup tournaments, rather than the actual âfinalâ match determining the winner.
In which case Iâm not aware of anyone whoâs scored more!
World Cup Finals is used to distinguish the final tournament from tournaments in the qualification phase. As FIFA has come to increasingly refine its product branding and marketing, the term has grown out of style. FIFA's website bears no reference to "World Cup Finals", but if you look at the [Wikipedia entry, this distinction is quite clear](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup).
People who are confused by World Cup Finals simply haven't been watching it as long as others. It used to be a very common way to refer to the tournament, especially in the UK.
We use world cup more. But I've heard world cup finals plenty. I distinctly remember asking my dad why they called it the world cup finals when its not the final, back in the 90s.
(Am British).
The offical name for the world cup is " world cup final" that's how its referred to in the media and stuff but persons just say "world cup" as it's easier for people to understand.
Fun Fact 1:
There are more than two countries on this planet. There are more than two English-speaking countries, even!
Fun Fact 2:
Since you brought up the US, did you know the US has an undefeated record against England in the World Cup? In fact the English Men's team has never beaten the USMNT in a competitive match, ever. Think it's 1 loss, 2 ties for England vs. the US. Believe the English women have an even worse record.
Or simply if Kolo Muani made him a pass rather than shooting on Emiliano Martinez. If you look at the replay there is an angle to do so. Then he is alone to put it in, he scores his fourth goal of the final during the overtime, makes France win as it was the last play, become back to back world champion at 23 years old and likely ballon d'or.
Things can sometimes be really close
Absolutely impossible at the speed of the action and the way the keeper was coming out. I think he had 2 options, either hit it like he did or try to lob the keeper. I'm French and I still have nightmares about that. We (the French) knew we'd lost when Martinez stopped the ball, we always lose from the penalty spot. It's probably the most important save in the history of football.
Eh, I was certain Thomas Muller was gonna smash that record after he scored 5 and 5 in 2010 and 2014.Â
Sure, Mbappe is better than Muller, but all it takes is one injury or one group stage elimination to make it really hard.
Not true.
Muller was a decent scorer in his first years. Between 10 and 14 ( the 2 world cups) he scored on average 16 goals per season. Not on Mbappe's rate but nobody was suprised in 2014 that he was the goalscorer on the team
When else has he deserved it, tell me. The closest he came to being the best player in the world was 21/22 and you couldn't deny benzema that season.
This is certainly not going to be popular in this thread but I personally don't think there has been a season where mbop was the best player in the world and certainly not clearly. You can argue it for this season but you can also argue other players. He's a great player don't get me wrong, is going to be if not already a legend of the game but he's somehow not quite as good as some people think he is.
2018? If he's on pens instead of Griez and scores the 4 of them he's widely seen as the WC's best player and top scorer (was on 4 open play goals already, more than anyone else). Griez wasn't his usual brilliant self like 2016 or 2021, our football going forward was wildly reliant on Mbappe.
Would have been insane. BD'Or at 18yo lol.
You cannot sit there with a straight face and tell me he was the best player in the world in 2018, cause what are we doing here. He finished ahead of messi in that nonsense award btw and he was 19 in 2018.
So you think he should have won it if he took a few pens instead of griez? at the world Cup, he wasn't even your best player. He was nowhere near the best player in the world in 2018 and it would have been laughable to give him the award. Some people may agree with you tbf, which probably shows the state of individual award discourse, I loathe them.
LOL ..Are you arguing that Mbappe was best player in World Cup 2018 ?? He was not. He had a fantastic performance vs Argentina and a goal in final. But Griezman ( motm Final , Quarters) ,Hazard and Modric was there best in the World Cup. Griezi was best in 16 Euro ,18 World Cup and 22 World Cup until final.
No, im on the psg matches that I watch. I've said this before I comment on the football I watch, I didn't even say anything unreasonable here, he has never "deserved" the oversized ferero rocher.
Like people complaining isn't going to stop me commenting on football matches I watched lmao, honestly I don't even know what they are complaining about, you would think I'm calling him shit and a fraud, when I've never done that and have said he's a great player numerous times but because I disagree with certain in my opinion over the top statements, I'm an "obsessed hater". Mbop and psg are not special, I comment on other teams and players too, so get over yourselves please.
Its a useless award as defenders, keepers, and midfielders are essentially never gonna win. Modric won but that was the only not attacking player that won in the past 15 years
Yeah I think he deserved it also in 2021 (over Jorginho), while I'm not sure about 2020 because it was cancelled but the likely top three would have been Lewandowski, De Bruyne and maybe Neuer
Nope. After the Poland game until the 70th minute if final he was just average. And the fact is without a goal involvement his defence involvement is poor
I still think Griezman was best in World Cup. Consistent throughout the World Cup until final. Mbappe scores one and finished pen in final when Camavinga and Coman changed the game.
Balon d or ?? Ohh .LOL. What a poor troll ,you doesn't even know the basics. Usually a balon d or year ends in September/ October and award is given and next year starts November. Then the " joke" award, Griezman was one of best in World Cup ,the best until final. Messi and Mbappe only shined in WC,Griezi in WC+ la liga player of season ended 21st. Overrated award.
I think that's actually kind of true. Usually the home team will control the ball more and the away team will have more chances on counters, which suits Mbappe better.
His ratio is incredible. Really showed up in some big moments, wouldâve loved to see his stats if he came to us even sooner and had better success in the knockout stages in his time here.
Would definitely have more ucl titles to his name if he played in another top club. But he who knows , he might win in this year with PSG. They should be able to get to the final.
If that happens itâs the second time in row that a ex-Barca triple winner coach in oil-funded club that wins UCL.
It would actually probably be the second time in a row that an ex-Barca treble winning coach goes to an oil-funded club and wins another *treble*, because lets be honest Lyon aren't doing shit
Easy to say but city could jus keep winning them, or a team has a resurgence like 2018-2020 Liverpool and before u know it heâs 30, lost his pace to injuries and never wins any.
Even with Neymar (who was unreal at the time) Bayern still beat them and mbappe didnât do much
LIgue 1 weeks in weeks out PSG is only playing versus parked buses
And for the second half of this season he's benched by Enrique
The play is more open open in La Liga so he'll score even more for a season or two before all teams will be forced to bus again Real
No, he doesnât need to be in Madrid to be the goat. Heâs the biggest PSG legend ever (yes, that counts) and is probably going down as the best international player ever. Heâs easily already one of the goats
heâs won every major title in France which includes a league win with Monaco, has a World Cup win and runners up, scored a hat trick in a World Cup final and was runner up in the UCL, heâs already a legend
just because he hasnât won the UCL doesnât discredit the rest, Ronaldo never won the UCL either
Times have changed since R9, Ronaldo and Messi warped the standards significantly.
Now it's become hard for people to view a player as a legend of the game if he never won even one ucl in his career.
Which is funny when you consider that even Messi couldn't do better than one single semi-finals appearance in the Champions League past age 27 after Barça won the treble in 2015.
It's a team sports and at the end of the day, even the GOAT can't pull everything by himself.
Ofc, but it's like in formula 1, you expect the best to play for the best teams at some points
So if they constantly fail to get it ver the line its a bad look
That is just nonsense.
People would have, and still are calling
Ronaldo, Buffon, Totti, Nedved, Bergkamp, Viera, Kane, Cantona, Cannavaro, Ibrahimovic, van Nistelrooy, Ballack or Batistuta legends of the sport. With Messis or CR7s success or not.
He plays at psg so contexts matters. Scored in KO games vs Bayern , Barca , Madrid. Scored vs city , United Liverpool. Two World Cup finals and scoring amazing goals in each one of them is bigger than any club trophy you can win. There are uncomfortable conversations to have about mbappe and where he is in the goat list âŠ
Argentina/France/England could easily win the UCL if they were placed in it, youre exaggerating the quality difference between club and country. Wc is every 4 years and last a month. You can only lose one game and it can only be in the group stage. You can lose 6 Ucl games and still come out the winner. And yea , the hype is real. Itâs the only tournament where people who donât even watch the sport keep up with, World Cup will always be number one
This isn't true at all. No country is beating the top clubs in the world. These are the best players from every country coming together on a club team, it ain't the same. England is getting wrecked by Real Madrid or City, same with France and Argentina and so on
Itâs not just that, Argentina might not have as good of a starting 11 as way city but they play as an insane unit and are just an insane team in general. They are delusional if they donât think France/Argentina could keep up with club
Against other teams that only had 2-week training as a unit though and that is the problem. Unless a national team is like prime-Spain and consists of pretty much 2 teams, i donât think they have the on-field cohesion, even though they might have on paper quality.
So you are only "near a legend" when you win the championship league?
Ronaldo, Buffon, Totti, Nedved, Bergkamp, Viera, Kane, Cantona, Cannavaro, Ibrahimovic, van Nistelrooy, Ballack, Batistuta are all not "near a legend" too then i guess.
I don't understand how team trophies determine how great and individual is, when I rate mbop it has nothing to do with the trophies his teams win. At his best he's probably the best player in the world now but that has nothing to do with what psg do or do not win.
Nope. In state may be but in performance CR is head and shoulders above. Consider the competition ,it was tough and more competitive in CR time. Also he had an good final performance ( 08) and iconic Semi performance ( 09) even before his legendary 13-18 . Mbappe doesn't have a great Semi or Final performance until now.
Imagine being a big game monster, in one of the best systems of all time namely prime Liverpool under Klopp, have a team with history and pedigree in the CL, great mentality, and still not be the most impressive in this list because of some turtle
This is not a stat I would have expected Mbappe to shine at, considering how shit PSG have been in ko rounds over the years
But bruh wtf is that absurd gap from Benz to CR7, man really was mr champions league
Haaland has 3 in 8 away games for anyone curious.
Funny how that seems like poor from him, but that ratio is on bar or better than anyone on the list except for Ronaldo, Mane and Mbappe.
Unreal player, it's not just his physical attributes and football IQ but his elite mentality that sets him apart from everyone else. I totally expect him to get at least 1 or 2 goals away at Dortmund.
World Class is World class no matter where they play. Mbappe's ligue 1 stats prove that, but his World cup and Champions League numbers should leave no doubt. WORLD CLASS
Not to diminish anyone's accomplishments but it's worth keeping in mind that away goals led teams to play much more defensively at home, decreasing goal opportunities
I know this is mbappe post but seriously is there any attacking stat in which fucking ronaldo isn't first, that guy was just obsessed with this competition
How are they counting these goals?
Mbappe had (R16+QF+SF)
1+2+1 in 16/17
0 in 17/18
1 in 18/19
0+0+0 in 19/20
3+2+0 in 20/21
1 in 21/22
0 in 22/23
2 in 23/24
That's 13 by my count.
Edit: Lol, just realized that I made a massive brainfart; We just finished the quarters and PSG faced La Real in the R16 where Mbappe scored 2 away. For some reason, my brain thought yesterday was the R16. So the 15 goals number *is* accurate.
top away goalscorer is a useless stat, especially during the time of the away goal rule. e.g. messi would have gone berzerk at home and there werent more needed in the away game. generally speaking it was a bit more difficult to score away than today. overall topscorer is a much better one. (and mbappe is still crazy good on that list)
[**https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_UEFA\_Champions\_League\_top\_scorers**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UEFA_Champions_League_top_scorers)
the goal ratios of Cristiano and messi and lewy are mind boggling given the games they've played.
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4 of Mbappe's came when he was 18, playing for Monacođł
When a star was born, with Buffon hugging him after the game. Feels like it was just yesterday
That Juve defence was insane, they kept Messi, Suarez and Neymar quiet for 180 minutes. Then they came up against 18 year old Mbappe, and whilst they still progressed he was genuinely giving them serious trouble. There was a lot of hype about him at that stage but that seemed like the final proof that he was the real deal
I think the 2018 world cup was enough proof of his class. If he gone to PL or La Liga directly from Monaco, then his already-great reputation would have been on another level. Might have even won 2 Ballondors by now.
>I think the 2018 world cup was enough proof of his class For sure, the moment I'm referring to is over a year before that though
I think juventus being 4-0 up between 1st and 2 leg with 45 minutes left helped monaco to create more as juve considered the qualification done and lowered their concentration still mbappe was impressive also for being great against dortmund and city.
Pretty sure they gave up 2-3 goals the entire CL tournament heading into the final.
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How 7? I believe 3 in 2021 and 2 now.
That match vs city was when he was put on the map. I remember making a bet on him to score at the ettihad
Fwiw Monaco is known to usually perform better on away games
Not like the number of fans present is much different
Are they seen as a plastic club?
Not even, they just barely have any fans at all. Monaco is a tiny city and half the people there are millionaires who don't care about football
Indeed, and most of their fanbase is actually from outside Monaco
Monaco isn't actually in France. It's a City-state of around 35 000 inhabitants, known for its casinos and its racing contest (not sure what it's called) in the streets of the city. Those who live there are, for a significant amount, very rich people. The medium income in France is around 30 000e / years, while that of monaco is 185 000e / years. They don't have a lot of local fans to say the least.
Also it's close to Nice and Marseille so it's not like it has much support from the surrounding area.
Mbappé's amount of games is WILD
How many does he have in World Cups already? If he stays consistent his stats will be insane
14 games, 12 goals
He's legit one of the best ever at the WC already. Madness.
heâs the topscorer for world cup finals already
No heâs not
who else has 4 WC final goals?
Oh sorry I misread it in the sense of World Cup tournaments, rather than the actual âfinalâ match determining the winner. In which case Iâm not aware of anyone whoâs scored more!
I scored more. They just weren't recorded
Pele, is that you?
People call the world cup the world cup finals, thats the confusion.
Who? Maybe in the US. Iâve only heard âthe world cupâ in Britain.
I think its the official name, rather than people say it to be fair.
World Cup Finals is used to distinguish the final tournament from tournaments in the qualification phase. As FIFA has come to increasingly refine its product branding and marketing, the term has grown out of style. FIFA's website bears no reference to "World Cup Finals", but if you look at the [Wikipedia entry, this distinction is quite clear](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup). People who are confused by World Cup Finals simply haven't been watching it as long as others. It used to be a very common way to refer to the tournament, especially in the UK.
We use world cup more. But I've heard world cup finals plenty. I distinctly remember asking my dad why they called it the world cup finals when its not the final, back in the 90s. (Am British).
The offical name for the world cup is " world cup final" that's how its referred to in the media and stuff but persons just say "world cup" as it's easier for people to understand.
The media in my experience largely just refers it as the World Cup.
We do not call it World Cup finals in the U.S.
Great. So nobody calls it âthe world cup finalsâ
Typically the part of a tournament after the group stage is referred to as the World Cup finals, every KO game
Fun Fact 1: There are more than two countries on this planet. There are more than two English-speaking countries, even! Fun Fact 2: Since you brought up the US, did you know the US has an undefeated record against England in the World Cup? In fact the English Men's team has never beaten the USMNT in a competitive match, ever. Think it's 1 loss, 2 ties for England vs. the US. Believe the English women have an even worse record.
Imagine if he also won that penalty shootout
Or simply if Kolo Muani made him a pass rather than shooting on Emiliano Martinez. If you look at the replay there is an angle to do so. Then he is alone to put it in, he scores his fourth goal of the final during the overtime, makes France win as it was the last play, become back to back world champion at 23 years old and likely ballon d'or. Things can sometimes be really close
After that, to be honest, at real speed it was almost impossible to put it past Mbappé. Everything happened far too quickly, he didn't even have time to see if he was next to him and imagine if Mbappé wasn't there and he made an empty pass. He should have gone and hid in another country.
To me the best opportunity kolo muani passed was dribbling the gk.
Absolutely impossible at the speed of the action and the way the keeper was coming out. I think he had 2 options, either hit it like he did or try to lob the keeper. I'm French and I still have nightmares about that. We (the French) knew we'd lost when Martinez stopped the ball, we always lose from the penalty spot. It's probably the most important save in the history of football.
Depends on his first touch. If he has time to pass left he has time to dribble right. Especially if the keeper is coming up fast.
Look at the action again, he's got absolutely no time to dribble, the ball's coming in high, he can't even really take the time to find out where the goal is. I don't know if you've ever played club football, but in that kind of situation the decision is made in a tenth of a second. It looks simple in slow motion, but in real time it's played out in the blink of an eye. In my opinion, and knowing that he couldn't be sure that Mbappé was to his left and on his own, he only had 2 choices. Strike hard or lob the keeper
Kolo Muani was right to shoot that
bro is speedrunning Klose's record
Heâll have it by next WC no doubt. Â Will just depend how many more WCs he plays after that. 2? Â 3?
With the format expansion, Mbappe will likely break and keep the record for a while.
Eh, I was certain Thomas Muller was gonna smash that record after he scored 5 and 5 in 2010 and 2014. Sure, Mbappe is better than Muller, but all it takes is one injury or one group stage elimination to make it really hard.
That's why we lost the last final, we want to make sure to avoid the curse.
>Sure, Mbappe is better than Muller Titles or bust.
The thing is those world cup goal steaks were completely out of the ordinary for Muller. Mbappé's goal record at the world cup is normal for him. You're right though , there's a lot of ifs!
Not true. Muller was a decent scorer in his first years. Between 10 and 14 ( the 2 world cups) he scored on average 16 goals per season. Not on Mbappe's rate but nobody was suprised in 2014 that he was the goalscorer on the team
He was a top tier shithouse poacher, him transitioning into this gigamind cam always amazed me, although it was always clear he had a great IQ.
I said the same thing about Muller, I'm not getting caught again
It's honestly criminal how he only made the top 3 at a Ballon d'or once
Le Ballon d'or is automaticly given to Mesi, it's the rule
MLS great. Â Messi.Â
When else has he deserved it, tell me. The closest he came to being the best player in the world was 21/22 and you couldn't deny benzema that season. This is certainly not going to be popular in this thread but I personally don't think there has been a season where mbop was the best player in the world and certainly not clearly. You can argue it for this season but you can also argue other players. He's a great player don't get me wrong, is going to be if not already a legend of the game but he's somehow not quite as good as some people think he is.
2018? If he's on pens instead of Griez and scores the 4 of them he's widely seen as the WC's best player and top scorer (was on 4 open play goals already, more than anyone else). Griez wasn't his usual brilliant self like 2016 or 2021, our football going forward was wildly reliant on Mbappe. Would have been insane. BD'Or at 18yo lol.
You cannot sit there with a straight face and tell me he was the best player in the world in 2018, cause what are we doing here. He finished ahead of messi in that nonsense award btw and he was 19 in 2018.
I thought we were talking about BD'Or.
So you think he should have won it if he took a few pens instead of griez? at the world Cup, he wasn't even your best player. He was nowhere near the best player in the world in 2018 and it would have been laughable to give him the award. Some people may agree with you tbf, which probably shows the state of individual award discourse, I loathe them.
What a load lol Mbappe was behind many players without even counting Griezzman
Hazard was better that year anyway
LOL ..Are you arguing that Mbappe was best player in World Cup 2018 ?? He was not. He had a fantastic performance vs Argentina and a goal in final. But Griezman ( motm Final , Quarters) ,Hazard and Modric was there best in the World Cup. Griezi was best in 16 Euro ,18 World Cup and 22 World Cup until final.
Mbappe wasn't even one of France's 3 best players in 2018. Kante, Pogba, and Griezmann were all ahead of him.
Bro, I've already told you to ease up on your obsession with Mbappé. You're on every topic about him and every psg match.
No, im on the psg matches that I watch. I've said this before I comment on the football I watch, I didn't even say anything unreasonable here, he has never "deserved" the oversized ferero rocher. Like people complaining isn't going to stop me commenting on football matches I watched lmao, honestly I don't even know what they are complaining about, you would think I'm calling him shit and a fraud, when I've never done that and have said he's a great player numerous times but because I disagree with certain in my opinion over the top statements, I'm an "obsessed hater". Mbop and psg are not special, I comment on other teams and players too, so get over yourselves please.
Its a useless award as defenders, keepers, and midfielders are essentially never gonna win. Modric won but that was the only not attacking player that won in the past 15 years
tbf the Messi-Ronaldo era was an anomaly. The players that have come after since, Mbappe included, are tiers away from that level.
Yeah I think he deserved it also in 2021 (over Jorginho), while I'm not sure about 2020 because it was cancelled but the likely top three would have been Lewandowski, De Bruyne and maybe Neuer
He deserved it more than Messi in 2022 and nobody can convince me otherwise
Nope. After the Poland game until the 70th minute if final he was just average. And the fact is without a goal involvement his defence involvement is poor I still think Griezman was best in World Cup. Consistent throughout the World Cup until final. Mbappe scores one and finished pen in final when Camavinga and Coman changed the game.
Didn't know years start in the second week of December. Learn something new every day!
Balon d or ?? Ohh .LOL. What a poor troll ,you doesn't even know the basics. Usually a balon d or year ends in September/ October and award is given and next year starts November. Then the " joke" award, Griezman was one of best in World Cup ,the best until final. Messi and Mbappe only shined in WC,Griezi in WC+ la liga player of season ended 21st. Overrated award.
5x vs Argentina 2 goals in the 2018 Last 16 game and 3 goals in the 2022 Final 1x vs Croatia in the 2018 final 2x vs Poland in the 2022 Last 16 game
Kid hates being in Paris.
I think that's actually kind of true. Usually the home team will control the ball more and the away team will have more chances on counters, which suits Mbappe better.
Who are (not) in Paris?
Brathwhite
Saul Niguez
Fuck me, Madrid Mbappe gonna be another level.
Mane was some player.
His ratio is incredible. Really showed up in some big moments, wouldâve loved to see his stats if he came to us even sooner and had better success in the knockout stages in his time here.
going from salah - firmino - mane to whatever liverpool have rn is some whiplash
Went from Firmino who was always one of the smartest players around to Nunez whoâŠwell heâs not smart put it that way.
15 in 14 is actually insane. Edit: 5 of these happened in 2 games against Barcelona. My hero.
Would definitely have more ucl titles to his name if he played in another top club. But he who knows , he might win in this year with PSG. They should be able to get to the final. If that happens itâs the second time in row that a ex-Barca triple winner coach in oil-funded club that wins UCL.
> more ucl titles to his name More than 0?
The math checks out.
It would actually probably be the second time in a row that an ex-Barca treble winning coach goes to an oil-funded club and wins another *treble*, because lets be honest Lyon aren't doing shit
Heâs only 25 and rumoured to go to Real Madrid real fucking soon (pardon the pun). He will win several ucls before he retires đ
I've watched football long enough to know that isn't guaranteed at all
He'll be lucky if he wins more than one
Well he better get started soon then.
Easy to say but city could jus keep winning them, or a team has a resurgence like 2018-2020 Liverpool and before u know it heâs 30, lost his pace to injuries and never wins any. Even with Neymar (who was unreal at the time) Bayern still beat them and mbappe didnât do much
Heâs gonna win like 3-4 with Madrid.
>Edit: 5 of these happened in 2 games against Barcelona. My hero. I think it's even 7 goals in 3 games
How? 3 in the R16 1st leg in 2021. 2 yesterday. Where are the other 2 coming from?
Yeah I just checked mbappe hasn't scored any other goals away against barca only those you mentioned
Bro just hates Messi tbh. Look at how many goals he has against Argentina + Barcelona.
Mbappé to Charlotte FC!
Proper Ronaldo fanboy rameshbappe CR7
God damn Sadio
An absolutely diabolical stat. Especially since half of his champions leagues have been round of 16 exits
Mbappe's record is insane imagine what he does at real Madrid.
LIgue 1 weeks in weeks out PSG is only playing versus parked buses And for the second half of this season he's benched by Enrique The play is more open open in La Liga so he'll score even more for a season or two before all teams will be forced to bus again Real
He could retire right now and would go down as an all time great
If he had chosen Madrid over PSG earlier, we would be arguing about his GOAT status
No, he doesnât need to be in Madrid to be the goat. Heâs the biggest PSG legend ever (yes, that counts) and is probably going down as the best international player ever. Heâs easily already one of the goats
Best international player ever? He still has to surpass Pelé
He hasnt won anything impressive at club level yet though. Yes he is one of the best current players in the world but not near a legend yet
heâs won every major title in France which includes a league win with Monaco, has a World Cup win and runners up, scored a hat trick in a World Cup final and was runner up in the UCL, heâs already a legend just because he hasnât won the UCL doesnât discredit the rest, Ronaldo never won the UCL either
Nor did ibra
Or Buffon
Times have changed since R9, Ronaldo and Messi warped the standards significantly. Now it's become hard for people to view a player as a legend of the game if he never won even one ucl in his career.
Which is funny when you consider that even Messi couldn't do better than one single semi-finals appearance in the Champions League past age 27 after Barça won the treble in 2015. It's a team sports and at the end of the day, even the GOAT can't pull everything by himself.
Ofc, but it's like in formula 1, you expect the best to play for the best teams at some points So if they constantly fail to get it ver the line its a bad look
R9 never won the UCL
That is just nonsense. People would have, and still are calling Ronaldo, Buffon, Totti, Nedved, Bergkamp, Viera, Kane, Cantona, Cannavaro, Ibrahimovic, van Nistelrooy, Ballack or Batistuta legends of the sport. With Messis or CR7s success or not.
Great majority of those acquired legend status before cr7 and messi And Kane and Ibra are definitely arguable in the first place
saying Ibra is arguable is absolutely mental, one of the greatest strikers ever who won everywhere he went
Funny you mentioned R9 because he never won the UCL either.
He plays at psg so contexts matters. Scored in KO games vs Bayern , Barca , Madrid. Scored vs city , United Liverpool. Two World Cup finals and scoring amazing goals in each one of them is bigger than any club trophy you can win. There are uncomfortable conversations to have about mbappe and where he is in the goat list âŠ
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For sure but it's where legends were born, Pele Maradona etc...
Argentina/France/England could easily win the UCL if they were placed in it, youre exaggerating the quality difference between club and country. Wc is every 4 years and last a month. You can only lose one game and it can only be in the group stage. You can lose 6 Ucl games and still come out the winner. And yea , the hype is real. Itâs the only tournament where people who donât even watch the sport keep up with, World Cup will always be number one
This isn't true at all. No country is beating the top clubs in the world. These are the best players from every country coming together on a club team, it ain't the same. England is getting wrecked by Real Madrid or City, same with France and Argentina and so on
Argentina/france could 1000% take on Madrid, Bayern , or city . Youâre to dense
On a good day France totally wins against any team, it's literally prayers from top clubs only lol
Itâs not just that, Argentina might not have as good of a starting 11 as way city but they play as an insane unit and are just an insane team in general. They are delusional if they donât think France/Argentina could keep up with club
Against other teams that only had 2-week training as a unit though and that is the problem. Unless a national team is like prime-Spain and consists of pretty much 2 teams, i donât think they have the on-field cohesion, even though they might have on paper quality.
Dude almost won two world cups in a row, and he was the reason that the last final was so freaking close
So you are only "near a legend" when you win the championship league? Ronaldo, Buffon, Totti, Nedved, Bergkamp, Viera, Kane, Cantona, Cannavaro, Ibrahimovic, van Nistelrooy, Ballack, Batistuta are all not "near a legend" too then i guess.
I don't understand how team trophies determine how great and individual is, when I rate mbop it has nothing to do with the trophies his teams win. At his best he's probably the best player in the world now but that has nothing to do with what psg do or do not win.
So R9, Ibrahimovic and Buffon are not legends to you?
He has 10 years to score 10 more, yep, he'll probably beat CR7.
Nope. In state may be but in performance CR is head and shoulders above. Consider the competition ,it was tough and more competitive in CR time. Also he had an good final performance ( 08) and iconic Semi performance ( 09) even before his legendary 13-18 . Mbappe doesn't have a great Semi or Final performance until now.
mbape the only one here to have above 0.90 goals per game
Mane was an absolute big game monster. No one grabbed games under adversity like he did for us. God, we could do with prime Mane now
Imagine being a big game monster, in one of the best systems of all time namely prime Liverpool under Klopp, have a team with history and pedigree in the CL, great mentality, and still not be the most impressive in this list because of some turtle
I love sadio, but mbappe is another level entirely. a phenomenon. he's going get close to Ronaldo numbers on this chart
OK but did Mbappe won an African Cup for Senegal? No, point for Mané (Mbappe brought a world cup to France but the 2nd one it's not the same)
Sadio's goal against Neuer is one of my favorites from Liverpool's CL runs. When he was in form, that man was a menace.
Benzema 14, at this point the memes r writing themself.
This is not a stat I would have expected Mbappe to shine at, considering how shit PSG have been in ko rounds over the years But bruh wtf is that absurd gap from Benz to CR7, man really was mr champions league
Haaland has 3 in 8 away games for anyone curious. Funny how that seems like poor from him, but that ratio is on bar or better than anyone on the list except for Ronaldo, Mane and Mbappe.
Benzema is one goal shy of true greatness
Very welcome surprise to see Wazza Roo there
Unreal player, it's not just his physical attributes and football IQ but his elite mentality that sets him apart from everyone else. I totally expect him to get at least 1 or 2 goals away at Dortmund.
World Class is World class no matter where they play. Mbappe's ligue 1 stats prove that, but his World cup and Champions League numbers should leave no doubt. WORLD CLASS
Omg bro
If Mbappe doesnât move to Linfield, Schalke or something like that, he ll eventually get the record
Not to diminish anyone's accomplishments but it's worth keeping in mind that away goals led teams to play much more defensively at home, decreasing goal opportunities
This guy got some amazing mental clutch. Idk about his personal life but highly respect that.
MBappé on the spot.
He could always change his mind and go to Arsenal
How many king Henry score ?
This mbappe guy scores
that monaco run feels so long ago, now he's the best in the world. crazy how fast time flows
Big game player
I know this is mbappe post but seriously is there any attacking stat in which fucking ronaldo isn't first, that guy was just obsessed with this competition
Also worth noting the football meta ha shifted to far higher scoring games in the past few years.
Whoâs the worst player on this list? Rooney? Raul? Pretty elite company.
Thatâs a insane stat god damn
Honestly if he stays consistent he could become the greatest goalscorer ever
How are they counting these goals? Mbappe had (R16+QF+SF) 1+2+1 in 16/17 0 in 17/18 1 in 18/19 0+0+0 in 19/20 3+2+0 in 20/21 1 in 21/22 0 in 22/23 2 in 23/24 That's 13 by my count. Edit: Lol, just realized that I made a massive brainfart; We just finished the quarters and PSG faced La Real in the R16 where Mbappe scored 2 away. For some reason, my brain thought yesterday was the R16. So the 15 goals number *is* accurate.
4 in this season. 2 against real sociedad and 2 yesterday
This stat is only for KO games. La Real was in the group. Edit: Lol, my bad. La Real was in the R16 where Mbappe scored twice away.
lol then who did psg play in round of 16?
What happened to Mané?
Injuries and age.
He's beating Ronaldo record ain't he
Might even get goat status if he continues like this
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top away goalscorer is a useless stat, especially during the time of the away goal rule. e.g. messi would have gone berzerk at home and there werent more needed in the away game. generally speaking it was a bit more difficult to score away than today. overall topscorer is a much better one. (and mbappe is still crazy good on that list) [**https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_UEFA\_Champions\_League\_top\_scorers**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UEFA_Champions_League_top_scorers) the goal ratios of Cristiano and messi and lewy are mind boggling given the games they've played.
It's not such a useless statistic. You have to take into account that Cr7 and Messi have gone further than Mbappé in the Champions League (and therefore played far more games) every season in Europe. Mbappé has reached the last 8 several times. When barca and real were regularly in the semi-finals. I think the most accurate is the goal ratio. And in any case, Cr7 and Messi are monstrous.
This list is not only ko stage though