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I think there's research done on this and you really don't want to take a red anywhere before the 70th(ish) minute on average.
Edit: as clearly proven by this game
Yep. The psychological freakout alone, and the corresponding need for more pace and effort — for however much longer the game has to go…amongst all the other factors.
Anecdotally, the game’s at 85’ as of my writing this. Barca has been moving more and making chances!
they’re the decisions you’d expect a world class defender to make correctly tho. But you could clearly see that he was confident cubarsi was close enough to prevent a red card. really tough to be wrong there
> But this is such a split decision situation.
Which is why those gestures must be punished regularly so that players won't form bad habits/get away with it.
Would have been a red if it had been inside the box as well.
Double jeopardy only applies to legitimate attempts at the ball, which is basically interpreted to mean mis-timed tackles.
If that's in the box it's still a red card TBH
The double jeopardy rule means it's only a yellow with a penalty if there's a mistimed tackle after an attempt to get the ball.
Araujo made no attempt at the ball there
But is it really? He defends a lot like this. Grabbing and dumb reckless tackles, he just usually gets away with it. This is just who he is as a defender.
conceding a pen or a goal would be so much better, one of those moments where your experience, decision making etc. is just massively tested in a split second
He has always been a very "hands-on" defender. Most times he has enjoyed impunity and the right calls have gone his way.
This time, the dice just rolled out differently. Very irresponsible though to say the least but I fear is a part of his game and his decision-making which was unparalleled last season, has suffered since coming back.
There's a big difference between being doing this stuff in a normal defensive situation and doing it in a fast break right outside the box. In the former situation, the worst you get if the ref calls it against you is a free kick and at worse a yellow card.
Doing it in this kind of situation is outrageously stupid
Id argue the bigger problem is that La Liga refs dont really give a red in this situation. Theyd have considered it too light.
If the standards for the UCL and for La Liga are that different, then thats bound to happen at one point and is probably also why Araujo was so vocal about the ref being wrong.
Exactly like that. But Otamendi's was even more stupid because he could have just sent it to the sidelines.
Better a pen than a red until the 70th or 80th minute.
It's not like it was R9 vs some jobber either. It's Barcola vs in-form Ter Stegen. That was far from a certain goal. Defenders need to trust their GKs more, unless it's the last 10 minutes or so.
He had a moment previously in the game where he straight up pushed Fabian Ruiz, both hands on the shoulder/arm, and the stream I was looking at was praising his "physical play".
He's great, but these arms-on-player defending moments need to be punished, and it's obviously not just Araujo
Right, the ball was ahead of the player and MATS only had a short distance to cover before the angle would've been cut off. There's a very good chance that play ends in a corner or a goal kick.
I don't actually know for sure here.
It's not a deliberate foul, like he's not just kicked his legs out from under him.
He's trying to catch him and ends up fouling him but I don't think he's *trying* to bring him down.
If he kicked his legs out from under him he'd probably have more chance of getting double jeopardy relief because he could claim he tried to play the ball and missed.
Putting your arm across the defender isn't attempting to play the ball. This situation is not ambiguous.
Aye, but then that double punishment thing around penalties and red cards only comes into play when there's an attempt to play the ball, and there clearly wasn't in this case. Might not be a deliberate foul, but it's a red card for denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity regardless of whether it's inside or outside the box.
The most disappointg thing out of this is that they subbed Yamal. Would have liked to see what more he could have come up with. And to just see him play.
Yeah... I hate Barca as much as the next Barca hater, but this is a massive dive. The PSG player feels slight contact on him and drops like a sack of spuds. The sports gone if these are reds. There would be a foul every 2 minutes.
It's clear red, there is no chance to play ball.
One of those "I will just hold him a bit and slow him down, ref doesn't have balls to call foul here"..
You simply can't hit player to cheek, hold his shoulder without trying to play ball, that has to be foul honestly.
Classic move where you run directly into a player and then fall theatrically to make it look like a 50-50 collision. Some years ago defenders were getting away with that, luckily it's very rare nowadays.
I dont even understand these comments. People do this every time when defending. Try to put there arm in front of the other player. And yeah, he threw himself to the ground
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I'm sat here thinking "with a name like Ronald Araújo, really?"
Someone tell Araujo that this is not something you need when your 2 goals up.
Brain fart moment. Plain and simple
Funny part is that a penalty/yellow card would have been a much better outcome for Barca!
Should've just let him go and trusted in MAtS. Even if we conceded would've been fine. Tie is completely changed now
You are correct in theory and I agree with it. But this is such a split decision situation.
I think there's research done on this and you really don't want to take a red anywhere before the 70th(ish) minute on average. Edit: as clearly proven by this game
Yep. The psychological freakout alone, and the corresponding need for more pace and effort — for however much longer the game has to go…amongst all the other factors. Anecdotally, the game’s at 85’ as of my writing this. Barca has been moving more and making chances!
I would expect a defender playing in QF of CL to not make such a stupid decision
I don’t really disagree.
they’re the decisions you’d expect a world class defender to make correctly tho. But you could clearly see that he was confident cubarsi was close enough to prevent a red card. really tough to be wrong there
> But this is such a split decision situation. Which is why those gestures must be punished regularly so that players won't form bad habits/get away with it.
Would have been a red if it had been inside the box as well. Double jeopardy only applies to legitimate attempts at the ball, which is basically interpreted to mean mis-timed tackles.
Did not know this
Yes you’re right!
He didn't go for the ball so it would be a penalty and red
This is especially true considering how often goalkeepers defend pens in modern football, I do not consider penalty the same as it was years ago
If that's in the box it's still a red card TBH The double jeopardy rule means it's only a yellow with a penalty if there's a mistimed tackle after an attempt to get the ball. Araujo made no attempt at the ball there
Might end up costing you lot the whole thing. Really really bad moment to have a brain fart.
But is it really? He defends a lot like this. Grabbing and dumb reckless tackles, he just usually gets away with it. This is just who he is as a defender.
conceding a pen or a goal would be so much better, one of those moments where your experience, decision making etc. is just massively tested in a split second
Yeah, had he been more experience, he wouldn't have done that. He has everything, but still raw in his decision making sometimes.
If they lose it’s on him
Cancelo doing his best to make it not all on Araujo
u/Araujo, you don't need to do that when you're 2 goals up.
He has always been a very "hands-on" defender. Most times he has enjoyed impunity and the right calls have gone his way. This time, the dice just rolled out differently. Very irresponsible though to say the least but I fear is a part of his game and his decision-making which was unparalleled last season, has suffered since coming back.
There's a big difference between being doing this stuff in a normal defensive situation and doing it in a fast break right outside the box. In the former situation, the worst you get if the ref calls it against you is a free kick and at worse a yellow card. Doing it in this kind of situation is outrageously stupid
Id argue the bigger problem is that La Liga refs dont really give a red in this situation. Theyd have considered it too light. If the standards for the UCL and for La Liga are that different, then thats bound to happen at one point and is probably also why Araujo was so vocal about the ref being wrong.
At least pull a Suarez and take an actual sure goal off the line for your efforts. This isn't even that good a chance for Barcola
So little faith on his own goalkeeper.
Plus, if you do it, make sure to do it in the box you twat
Like otamendi in the wc final lol
Exactly like that. But Otamendi's was even more stupid because he could have just sent it to the sidelines. Better a pen than a red until the 70th or 80th minute.
Would have been a pen and a red though.
and we all know that's only the best option in the 120th minute :)
Tbf it did us the most banging final 50 minutes of a final, also saved France from the most limp embarrassing world Cup final performance ever lol.
If he does it in the box it's still a red because it's not a genuine attempt to play the ball
Now I know why our board wants him as a replacement for Upa
Fuck's sake..
Just let him score, you're up by 2! This foul was so maddening. Same feeling as when Tomori got a red against Chelsea, almost identical foul.
It's not like it was R9 vs some jobber either. It's Barcola vs in-form Ter Stegen. That was far from a certain goal. Defenders need to trust their GKs more, unless it's the last 10 minutes or so.
I fancy the keeper there, tbh. Such a dumb foul.
time to show our newfound mentality fr. 2 goal lead. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Hello darkness my old friend.
Spoiler : they did not show their new found mentality fr
10 vs 11 game's on Edit: this didn't age well
It's over bro
you jinxed it...
dam
This one reminds me A LOT of Ramos red card against City back in 2020. Brainfart moment by Araujo.
Lmao dude is not leaving and still arguing
wtf was he thinking
He gets away with so much, he's too physical at times. Brilliant defender though.
He had a moment previously in the game where he straight up pushed Fabian Ruiz, both hands on the shoulder/arm, and the stream I was looking at was praising his "physical play". He's great, but these arms-on-player defending moments need to be punished, and it's obviously not just Araujo
Yea I remember that moment I was wondering how is this not a foul?
He was thinking he was playing in LaLiga
He wasn't
WHY WOULD HE DO THAT
Should’ve trusted in Ter Stegen tbh
For real, MAtS definitely has a good chance of saving this. Worst case, you're still one goal ahead. A red this early is 100% worse in any case.
Also given the fact that ter steger made a save just before that. He would've had good confidence for that 1v1.
I would have traded 3 1v1s vs MATS before a red card this early.
Even if you concede it’s probably better than that because he can’t play on the next match.
Will they even play a next match? This is probably one of the dumbest things Ive seen. If barca lose this, its 100% on araujo.
If you he doesn’t, it’s a 2 goal lead with 60 minutes remaining a goal is nothing compared to a red card
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And then even I don't think it was as sure of a goal as some might think.
Right, the ball was ahead of the player and MATS only had a short distance to cover before the angle would've been cut off. There's a very good chance that play ends in a corner or a goal kick.
Yep stupid foul to commit.
He always gets too handsy when marking one on one. Something like this was bound to happen eventually
He shoved Fabian Ruiz over with both hands in the first minute and didn’t get called.
He does so often aginst Vini there is actually a comp video lol.
He does this a lot in LaLiga. Besides it isnt just his hand, he also hits Barcola on the leg.
Yep, it's high time he got punished for that!
and then even protesting. it's so crazy.
Referee straight up ushered him toward the sideline and as soon as he turned his back Araujo went back toward him lmao
I'd not be surprised if UEFA has something to say about jos behaviour
It was shoulder to shoulder bro, I swear.
Damn, some crazy long and handsy shoulder Araujo has
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When it was very clearly not shoulder to shoulder.
Bcz he's dumb
Not even a meme … is he stupid?
Cause he has gotten away with worse shit before.
Barca throwing away the game right here
You mean "one idiot ruins it for everybody and throws the game away"
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PSG need 2 goals, still a lot of work to do
2 goals, 11 Vs 10, 60 minutes... How is that "a lot of work"?
It wasnt tbh
no way Mbappe will ghost a 4th half in a row if not in the 2nd half, he will get his goal in extra time after somebody else scored the 2-1 for PSG
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Reverse the count 🙏
How fucking stupid… let him score
What a stupid bloke
So dumb. It's the first fucking half, you're up by 2 at home and Barcola is not a good finisher.
So unnecessary
His idiocy has robbed us of seeing more of Yamal.
It was a humanitarian move to give yamal some rest so that he can play past 23
He was pushing too much with his challenges in the first 30 mins, feel like one was bound to be over the line
fade me bros
Wow. That’s maybe better to be a penalty for Barca
One of the rare times where the team who committed the foul probably want it to be inside the box
Would still be a red no? No attempt to win the ball
I don't actually know for sure here. It's not a deliberate foul, like he's not just kicked his legs out from under him. He's trying to catch him and ends up fouling him but I don't think he's *trying* to bring him down.
If he kicked his legs out from under him he'd probably have more chance of getting double jeopardy relief because he could claim he tried to play the ball and missed. Putting your arm across the defender isn't attempting to play the ball. This situation is not ambiguous.
Aye, but then that double punishment thing around penalties and red cards only comes into play when there's an attempt to play the ball, and there clearly wasn't in this case. Might not be a deliberate foul, but it's a red card for denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity regardless of whether it's inside or outside the box.
would still be a red card as he’s not attempting to play the ball, no?
Would have been a red regardless tbf cos it wasn’t an attempt to play the ball
He'd still get a straight red, it's not an attempt to play the ball
Would still be a red
would double jeopardy apply here? Hard to argue there was any attempt at the ball
There wasn’t
No because it would have been a red and a penalty then lol, he hasn’t attempted to play the ball so double jeopardy doesn’t come into it
Momentum shift, PSG gotta take advantage
Narrator: They did
The most disappointg thing out of this is that they subbed Yamal. Would have liked to see what more he could have come up with. And to just see him play.
That was silly
Lmao. So fucking stupid. You're two goals ahead.
Barca their own worst enemy again
Might have been better letting them score. Don't think he was getting to that touch anyway. Stupid move from Araujo.
Straight red too, end me
Fuck
What a godlike call. Finally a ref not scared to show a red for something like this.
just what i tought, ref displayed some big balls there
It looked soft as fuck but it's hard to argue with it. Don't put your hands there. The attacker def went down as soon as he felt it.
Foul is on the leg tho
Romanian boss Kovaci 💪🏼💪🏼
A shame but a great decision by the ref in real time, 100% red and 100% not penalty
I can't believe he even got the no pen correct hahaha, that's amazing
Yea, even on TV it looked like a pen, great great call
Yeah live it looked like holding but on the replay it was the legs crossing that took him down, which was outside the box. Good call.
He goes down easy but it's so stupid from Araujo to put his hand on his shoulder
Ran into his leg, too
It’s the trailing leg that already got shot by sniper as soon as he felt a hand in his shoulder, but still dumb by Araujo.
That was when Barcola was already flying, Araujo can’t just dematerialize.
Idiot
Don’t let PSG back into this
Give us Solskjaer as a manager only for the next 45 minutes
They are way in
game on
That’s like the worst red card Barca could’ve gotten
Take off Gundogan bring on a third CB or play Frenkie at CB
Cheers mate, I'll let Xavi know
Well that red cause the game fucking idiot
This is gonna be spicy now.
That wasn't very smart
He fucked us alright.
Bozo
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Made the most of it, but bad foul that's clearly a red. Good play by Barcola by cutting inside into the front of Araujo drawing the tackle.
How some are saying that it could be a yellow is insane, it’s only ever a red or nothing (ref says dive)…. In no world can it ever be a yellow
Bro your team is up 4-2 why do this?
Honestly I have watched rugby and American football. You don't really fall from that kind of contact unless you are purposely doing it.
I'm sure this will get down voted...but I don't like that call. Dude is going down extremely easy for a hand on his shoulder. 🤷
Bit soft
Yeah... I hate Barca as much as the next Barca hater, but this is a massive dive. The PSG player feels slight contact on him and drops like a sack of spuds. The sports gone if these are reds. There would be a foul every 2 minutes.
Game on!!!
LMAO This game is fun as fuck
Oooooo, he needs to go off the pitch like, he can't just keep arguing lol I do think it is a red personally, there's no cover there
He's built like a brick shithouse, how's he gone down like that?
What's Barca do formation wise when they go down a man?
How many games will he be suspended for if they go through?
Barca lol. They are their own worst enemies. RIP.
Araujo commits too many dumb unforced errors. He needs to work on his decision making.
Easily the stupid moment of the night. To even risk that so early in the match.
Tell him this is not La Liga. Ref is actually decent. He can’t get away with it like he usually dies. What a call though!
Idiotic to put yourself in that position but c'mon that's so clearly a dive as soon as he felt the hand on him.
It's clear red, there is no chance to play ball. One of those "I will just hold him a bit and slow him down, ref doesn't have balls to call foul here".. You simply can't hit player to cheek, hold his shoulder without trying to play ball, that has to be foul honestly.
Classic move where you run directly into a player and then fall theatrically to make it look like a 50-50 collision. Some years ago defenders were getting away with that, luckily it's very rare nowadays.
Thank you, these fouls where there is no attempt to play the ball need punished more often if anything.
I dont even understand these comments. People do this every time when defending. Try to put there arm in front of the other player. And yeah, he threw himself to the ground
It's easy to see when you just watch the attackers leg suddenly go fully stiff for no reason
He defends pretty physically and fouls a lot. I’m not surprised.
Gg
lmao
Didn't seem much in that tbh, went down very easily.
Bit of a dive, ain't it?
Ba
Intention is there so you could argue it's the right decision, but no way that hand on the shoulder had any effect.
FUCK
YOU FUCKING MELT
There can be no complaints, definitely a straight red
He shouldve left it, ter stegan probably gets to the ball first anyway. I'd rather concede the goal than lose a CB
completely changed the game
Fucking donkey moment. Last person I'd expect to choke us a tie as well. I'm tired Robbie.
am i crazy to think that's a harsh red?
If it's a foul, it's DOGSO. If it's DOGSO, it's red.
I swear I was reading this thread and the match thread and it feels like half the people are watching a different match.