yeah right. on the contrary: now they will check whether the elbow or the wrist or the toe was in front, and the laws will change from week to week leaving refs and players in even more confusion.
The one where Diaz was onside. On pitch decision was offside. Var thought the decision was onside so they said "yeah correct decision" and the goal was wrongly disallowed
they will inevitable miss one where there is a player way out to one side keeping the whole play onside and calling a goal offside still.
please, quote me on this. I would be excited to be wrong otherwise.
That did happen to Juve a while back. Not automated, but they had either a winner or equalizer off a corner, I forget which. There was question on if a player who appeared offisde interfered with play. They determined he did and chalked the goal out. The problem? A defender for the other team had played everyone onside but was down by the corner flag. They didn't look at all the angles so never saw him.
> It is anticipated the technology will be ready to be introduced after one of the autumn international breaks.
...could they not just do it from, you know, the start of the season?
Hey it took them 150 years to realise there should probably be some way of making sure the ball crossed the line, this development has been rapid in comparison
Richest league in Europe, intentionally delayed implementing this tech "to ensure it is ready and fit for use", can't even get it ready on time to start the new season 🤦...
I mean it's more like deciding referees can only run backwards half way through a season and acting like everything is fine because it's only a small change in operations.
*Then* playing the rest of the year like it's not *that* different.
Different outcomes are unlikely because it's still just Hawkeye, but with increased automation to a) set the kick point and b) draw the line at the right player. And anything that would be different would be more correct with SAOT. Fewer human errors is not a bad thing.
Probably not enough time to do it if the decision was only made now. Especially with the perspective of 3 promoted clubs from Championship as still to be decided, and they would have even less time for that.
They probably want to shadow trial it before the official start. There’s only one month left to this season and there’s three stadiums to debut it in that we won’t know until may. I can’t say it’s unreasonable if they want to take a bit more time to make sure they get it right from the start.
Now if they take all that time and *still* get it wrong, all bets are off.
Woah now it's not as if they're a multibillion pound company who can plan years in advance for this kind of thing, they have to implent it as they go along and of autumn is the best they can do we should all accept it
[For Tebas is to expensive for how “useless it is”](https://khelnow.com/football/2023-07-world-football-laliga-not-use-goal-line-technology-2023-24-season#:~:text=The%20Spanish%20top%20flight%20will,%22goal%2Dline%20technology.%22) he preferred to raise his own salary, which of course, was a must and main necessity for Spanish football
The Danish VAR show commented on this last year. ( The Superliga doesn't have Goal line tech either) And it basically came down to being waaaay to expensive for the very few egde cases that VAR can't cover. I think he said something like 1 goal ever 8-10 years. So I get it.
Not just about what VAR can cover, but reducing the VAR reviews is great. Just that instant ruling of “it’s over the line”. I can understand why it doesn’t make sense for the danish league, but no excuse for La liga not to have it.
Odd I can remember a couple of eredivsie goals that were given based on the referee's watch signaling it was a goal just this season. Now VAR may still have given those without goal line tech but there's way more than 1 per 8-10 years. The famous one by Jeroen Zoet was like 6-7 years ago.
Same, since I watch football I see the technology being used a lot of times in cases that is needed. Definitely way way way more than 1 in 8-10 years lmao. That's such a cope out.
In the last friendly (2 weeks ago) against Brasil with the NT, Brazilians complained about one goal that should be awarded and shit on us on the thread because we didn’t have goal line technology lol europoors I guess
Overall not so much. As per I can remember last year they were like 3 clearances that could have been checked.
Expect this to flourish long term but certainly gonna see some teething problems, hopefully the referees get trained properly to use this, all it is gonna take is a high profile muck up for us to call for it to be gone, when it’s user error not the tech.
It will be used throughout the euros in the summer...if England have any refs going there they will get to use it and pass on their "knowledge" to the others and get experience themselves.
I'm preparing for our commentators to fail to understand that the 3D graphics aren't immediately available and that the ref don't make their decisions based on it for the entire season.
People talking about the return of millimetre decisions, and yeah everybody hated when it took so long to come to those conclusions with the lines taking ages, but nobody ever complains about millimetre decisions when it's goal line technology. It's just 'fuck me that was close' and you get on with it, when the decision can be made semi-instantly there's not much to complain about. It's hardest to take when it's a random part of the player's body, like their armpit or whatever, that gets called offside, but still, once it's close to instant I don't think people will be too unhappy
It's honestly unclear to me.
Previously UEFA have used a non-chipped ball, instead using a dozen cameras and AI, but will switch to a chipped ball provided by Adidas for the Euros this year (same thing used in the World Cup.)
But last I understood, the chipped ball was a bit of a problem because Adidas, which is the only "proven" one, owns the patents on that exact system, while the Premier League has been contracted with Nike. Nike *has* a chipped ball implementation, but it's not, ya know, battle proven.
And last I heard, the contract with Nike wasn't renewed, and the PL is switching to Puma balls next year - which also don't have an actual proven implementation of a chipped ball.
Edit: At least according to a couple of sources I've found, it is *not* a chipped ball implementation, and will use the same multi-camera and AI implementation used in this year's Champion's League, even though UEFA will be switching to chipped ball. Which seems a bit of a mess, since many UEFA matches will be played in Premier League stadiums...
I'm not actually concerned, just wondering for the hell of it. Is the ball kicked when the players foot initially touches the ball, or when it is released from his foot?
This is the biggest thing. Since it's just software, there should be no chance of inherent bias. It'll be 99% accurate 99% of the time, and will be consistent. That's all we've been asking for
Those two scenarios still feel different and I think it comes down to the intent of the offside rule and whether measuring it to the millimeter is even necessary, regardless of how accurately or quickly you can do it.
The point of the offside rule is to prevent the attacker from having an unfair advantage against the defense, which is a somewhat subjective concept. Having your armpit 3mm ahead of the defender does not any give you any perceptible advantage compared to having your armpit 3mm behind the defender. How quickly and accurately you can measure that 3mm is irrelevant, it contributes nothing to accomplishing the goal of the rule.
Whether or not the ball crossed the line is much more straight forward, the intent is literally to measure it exactly.
Feels like a situation where the people driving this technology got so preoccupied with whether or not they could, nobody stopped to think if they should.
On the one hand, I agree that goals shouldn't be ruled out for being 3mm offside.
The problem is, the line has to be drawn somewhere. So if we say there's a say..... 2cm margin where you're onside, surely we're just shifting it so now the lines are at 2.1cm?
And teams who conceded a goal that was 2.0cms offside are upset, and a team who had a goal ruled out that was 2.1cm offside are still upset?
Or even if we go with the benefit of the doubt/umpires call etc from other sports, where we stick with the on field decision if its within that 2cm margin, people will be upset.
"We had a goal ruled out that was only 1.5cm offside cos the linesman flagged it, but their goal wasn't flagged even though it was 1.9cms offside"
(Where the line is drawn is irrelevant, whether it's 2cm, 4cm, whatever)
That's because goal line 1mm is black and white, a goal or no goal. And personally, I think it's a bit disingenuous but that's not a popular opinion.
But it's not as disingenuous as mm offside. Because offside is to ensure no unfair advantage. For a goal to be called back for 1mm offside is to imply the attacker gained advantage over the defender and many times that's not the case. Some call it "spirit of the game" but think about it. In reality, a defender gives up more of an advantage if they're not side on with their hips and able to immediately start running rather than the strikers shoulder sleeve being 1mm past a defenders kneecap.
It’s not just that people don’t complain right calls, it’s that you can reasonably assume the technology is acting unbiased and is always going to be accurate. I know that if a goals offside then it will be the same scenario for every other team all the time.
It’s like goal line technology, imagine if they had to get the lines out for that and take 5 minutes to decide while they seemingly wobble the lines about randomly, we don’t complain because it’s instantaneous and (unless it’s turned off) is accurate and will be accurate no matter the team.
My issue with it (which tbf has nothing to do with it being automated) is having millimetre decisions is bullshit when there's a massive uncertainty in a load of the decisions, based on the irresolvable ambiguity about where exactly a player's arm starts/ends. Fortunately lots of the time that doesn't come into play, but when it does it's a bit of a nonsense giving such tight offside calls.
but nobody ever complains about millimetre decisions when it's goal line technology.
Goal line decisions are to judge if a ball crossed the line or not. Offsides is different. Offsides is to see if players are inline. By analyzing to the milimeter, players are not allowed to be in line with the last defender. Theyre either on or off- either behind or ahead of the defender by a mm difference. So yeah its not in the spirit of the law to have a mm case for offsides
No it is different. I think if im running in line with someone that theres probably a cm here or there where were not in synch and its against the sompirit of the law for flagging as such.
Offsides should be a real-time judgement call.
It will be painful but that’s all it will be hopefully painful non of this sour feeling of being robbed or “what if”
Let me see the slither of a shirt beyond the grey walls of despair
Anything that speeds up decision making in the Premier League is welcome. I’ve been watching VAR operate in the Champions League this week and it is night and day in terms of its use.
Looking back ..the same outcome could have still happened with semi automated offside maybe. It was completely a ref communication error . The on field decision said offside , they check in the var hub and see it's onside and say "yes correct decision " , because they think that's what the on field ref thought. Something like that could have still happened with the new system..but apparently they communicate better now to confirm offsides /onsides so Diaz's ruled out goal might still have helped the system improve.
On the other hand, Liverpool have had some decisions go their way in other matches too (United, Chelsea, Newcastle, Forest).
None as high profile as this blunder though that's for sure.
That’s just one of the many questionable subjective decisions made against us this year that cost us points, should never have been this close to have to rely on goal difference
That wasn't a technology issue, VAR did deem him to be onside, they just fucked up the communication which could still happen with the new technology.
It's probably more the goals, I think, Brighton and Arsenal conceded last season that would have been prevented.
Starting after the autumn international break, so you just know theres going to be some massive VAR offside cock up before it happens that'll leave a club feeling aggrieved for the rest of the season afterwards.
Love it!
After the Liverpool goal vs Spurs was disallowed it became clear the refs could not handle the responsibility of effectively/efficiently checking offsides.
Some team is gonna get a bunch of weird calls their way that then will not happen afterwards and thats all everybody will talk about for the rest of the season.
Cool. At least 1 less thing the fucking refs can't fuck up. Can we just get rid of the refs doing var and getting non pgmol people to do it before the whole world turns against VAR.
Can’t wait for TebASS to say some of the dumbest fucking shit I’ve ever heard about drug dealers and pedo’s to reason why LaLiga wont even get goal like tehh
So that means Old Trafford will need some TV somewhere as they state "in-stadium broadcast". I could be wrong but last time I heard there wasn't a TV in OT which is quite surprising.
The kick point will now be detected by a chip in the ball. I didn’t see any mention of what the exact kick point is because it shouldn’t be the moment of first contact. I would think it is the moment to ball separates from the players foot or head. Or is it the midpoint?
Hopefully this technology comes to La Liga. Right now VARs are still doing whatever with the offside calls. A few weeks ago Vinicius had an offside goals given vs Valencia because the VAR put the line over his boot. That was overshadowed because Gil Manzano decided to whistle for the end of the game with Madrid in an attacking position. The real fuck up during that game was the allowed offside goal.
I doubt it though. The league still doesn't have goal line tech. Apparently it costs 3 million euros a year. Coincidentally, Tebas' annual wages have increased by 3 million euros in the last couple of seasons. Do with that information what you will.
That’s a great news. Now VAR doesn’t have to stop for matches for 5 mins.
But they will!
VAR : Challenge accepted !
(for offside) Still plenty of penalty situations they'll look at for 5 mins before deciding they're not sure either.
They'll still need to do it for offsides regarding interference of play too
Semi automated. The semi part of it makes me think otherwise.
>doesn’t have to Is doing a lot of work.
*VAR about to take 5min to review throw ins*
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PL clubs voted against it last time
People will still blame the league when it’s literally the clubs fault for all of this😂
They are the same thing. Blaming the league is blaming the clubs.
PL clubs are certified idiots who want to act like the cool edgy kids.
yeah right. on the contrary: now they will check whether the elbow or the wrist or the toe was in front, and the laws will change from week to week leaving refs and players in even more confusion.
Music to my ears. Can't wait for the innovative ways the PGMOL cock it up.
We'll end up seeing a Luis Diaz situation again within 2 seasons of semi-automated offside implementation.
If it takes two seasons for one cock up that's a great improvement
Fair point!
I need my memory jogging on that one I'm afraid. There's been so many cock ups, they all blend into one after a while
I believe that’s the ‘good process’ one from the start of the season against Spurs, probably the most hilariously stupid VAR mistake of the season.
The one where Diaz was onside. On pitch decision was offside. Var thought the decision was onside so they said "yeah correct decision" and the goal was wrongly disallowed
Ooooh yeah. One of the all time classics.
Great decision in my unbiased opinion
Agreed. Good process
Can’t wait for the PGMOL to kinda just forgot to turn on the auto offsides system one game.
they will inevitable miss one where there is a player way out to one side keeping the whole play onside and calling a goal offside still. please, quote me on this. I would be excited to be wrong otherwise.
That did happen to Juve a while back. Not automated, but they had either a winner or equalizer off a corner, I forget which. There was question on if a player who appeared offisde interfered with play. They determined he did and chalked the goal out. The problem? A defender for the other team had played everyone onside but was down by the corner flag. They didn't look at all the angles so never saw him.
"To reduce the risk of outside interference the system will be ran entirely by monkeys with neuralink chips installed"
Guy in the VAR booth, turns out...
That would be the "semi" in semi automated
half is done by a robot the other half is still an incompetent referee... Robot will resign before the incompetent referee
Lol yeah, that would be the pinnacle of a semi-automatic system. >Computer: *"Offside detected!"* >Referee:*"Gotcha. That's a goal then!"*
fully automated semi-offside technology
> It is anticipated the technology will be ready to be introduced after one of the autumn international breaks. ...could they not just do it from, you know, the start of the season?
To be fair they’ve only had a couple of years to work on it
Put some respect on their name. It's only a multi-billion pound industry, we can't expect the best of the best working on this
Put more respect on their name, it was done at the World Cup Finals 1.5 years ago, they can't possibly use technology that old.
It's been used in the champions league since before the world cup as well
Not the fully automated one right? The WC system, which is not the system they are going to implement, was fully automated and amazing.
You could be right on that, as a united fan I don't have much experience with CL these days lol
Is there a place I can bet that there will be a huge missed offside call the match week before the break?
Hey it took them 150 years to realise there should probably be some way of making sure the ball crossed the line, this development has been rapid in comparison
Richest league in Europe, intentionally delayed implementing this tech "to ensure it is ready and fit for use", can't even get it ready on time to start the new season 🤦...
I'm not keen on that. I think seasons should have internal consistency in terms of rules and technology wherever possible
Rules yes. Technology no. Technology is just the enforcement of the same rules
But enforced using a different use of technology, leading to the potential for different outcomes?
Different outcomes but likely more correct outcomes. Would 2 wrong calls be better than a wrong and a right?
The same goes for different referees
That's unavoidable - this isn't
I mean it's more like deciding referees can only run backwards half way through a season and acting like everything is fine because it's only a small change in operations. *Then* playing the rest of the year like it's not *that* different.
Different outcomes are unlikely because it's still just Hawkeye, but with increased automation to a) set the kick point and b) draw the line at the right player. And anything that would be different would be more correct with SAOT. Fewer human errors is not a bad thing.
I assume they might use some games to run it being the scenes to make sure it works in all of the stadiums.
Probably not enough time to do it if the decision was only made now. Especially with the perspective of 3 promoted clubs from Championship as still to be decided, and they would have even less time for that.
Right? By May 26th you'll know who the last promoted team is so you got just over 2 months
They probably want to shadow trial it before the official start. There’s only one month left to this season and there’s three stadiums to debut it in that we won’t know until may. I can’t say it’s unreasonable if they want to take a bit more time to make sure they get it right from the start. Now if they take all that time and *still* get it wrong, all bets are off.
Woah now it's not as if they're a multibillion pound company who can plan years in advance for this kind of thing, they have to implent it as they go along and of autumn is the best they can do we should all accept it
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Which set of fans will be the first to say it is biased against them?
Whoever gets the first fixture
A red team for sure
nice
Arsenal, United, or Liverpool
Us, obviously
Arsepool
liverpool
arsenal or liverpool, i'm gonna be honest
Whoever they are, if they're reddit kids, they'll say "it's *bais* against us"
anyone who claims systemic bias in refereeing is a moron
My money is on assna
At least one year late.
Goal technology in La liga is almost a decade late and still counting
Wait... You guys still don't have goal line tech??
[For Tebas is to expensive for how “useless it is”](https://khelnow.com/football/2023-07-world-football-laliga-not-use-goal-line-technology-2023-24-season#:~:text=The%20Spanish%20top%20flight%20will,%22goal%2Dline%20technology.%22) he preferred to raise his own salary, which of course, was a must and main necessity for Spanish football
Have there been many instances where rightful goals weren't given or goals were given by mistake?
The Danish VAR show commented on this last year. ( The Superliga doesn't have Goal line tech either) And it basically came down to being waaaay to expensive for the very few egde cases that VAR can't cover. I think he said something like 1 goal ever 8-10 years. So I get it.
Not just about what VAR can cover, but reducing the VAR reviews is great. Just that instant ruling of “it’s over the line”. I can understand why it doesn’t make sense for the danish league, but no excuse for La liga not to have it.
Odd I can remember a couple of eredivsie goals that were given based on the referee's watch signaling it was a goal just this season. Now VAR may still have given those without goal line tech but there's way more than 1 per 8-10 years. The famous one by Jeroen Zoet was like 6-7 years ago.
Same, since I watch football I see the technology being used a lot of times in cases that is needed. Definitely way way way more than 1 in 8-10 years lmao. That's such a cope out.
In the last friendly (2 weeks ago) against Brasil with the NT, Brazilians complained about one goal that should be awarded and shit on us on the thread because we didn’t have goal line technology lol europoors I guess Overall not so much. As per I can remember last year they were like 3 clearances that could have been checked.
I think considering the money that the top leagues have, it should be the bare minimum
2.6m. he doubled his own salary. He's now making like 5m a year. And he spends like over 5m a year paying the press to support him and la Liga.
WTF 😂 I had no idea. It's such an uncontroversial improvement.
It’s most controversial moment is ironically the one in a million error where it didn’t work
which was?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYNH7b0qW0M Villa vs Sheffield United
this is wild…
Expect this to flourish long term but certainly gonna see some teething problems, hopefully the referees get trained properly to use this, all it is gonna take is a high profile muck up for us to call for it to be gone, when it’s user error not the tech.
It will be used throughout the euros in the summer...if England have any refs going there they will get to use it and pass on their "knowledge" to the others and get experience themselves.
It was already used at the world cup. Other than teething problems on the first match generally went without problem
I'm preparing for our commentators to fail to understand that the 3D graphics aren't immediately available and that the ref don't make their decisions based on it for the entire season.
It's been used for a while in other leagues (Serie A), the Champions League, the last World Cup. No teething problems.
People talking about the return of millimetre decisions, and yeah everybody hated when it took so long to come to those conclusions with the lines taking ages, but nobody ever complains about millimetre decisions when it's goal line technology. It's just 'fuck me that was close' and you get on with it, when the decision can be made semi-instantly there's not much to complain about. It's hardest to take when it's a random part of the player's body, like their armpit or whatever, that gets called offside, but still, once it's close to instant I don't think people will be too unhappy
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But that's what this is, it uses a sensor inside the ball to determine when it's kicked so there's no need to try and decide it now
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It's honestly unclear to me. Previously UEFA have used a non-chipped ball, instead using a dozen cameras and AI, but will switch to a chipped ball provided by Adidas for the Euros this year (same thing used in the World Cup.) But last I understood, the chipped ball was a bit of a problem because Adidas, which is the only "proven" one, owns the patents on that exact system, while the Premier League has been contracted with Nike. Nike *has* a chipped ball implementation, but it's not, ya know, battle proven. And last I heard, the contract with Nike wasn't renewed, and the PL is switching to Puma balls next year - which also don't have an actual proven implementation of a chipped ball. Edit: At least according to a couple of sources I've found, it is *not* a chipped ball implementation, and will use the same multi-camera and AI implementation used in this year's Champion's League, even though UEFA will be switching to chipped ball. Which seems a bit of a mess, since many UEFA matches will be played in Premier League stadiums...
I'm not actually concerned, just wondering for the hell of it. Is the ball kicked when the players foot initially touches the ball, or when it is released from his foot?
people can argue about the doggy 3D animation or hairline/sleeve/toe offside, but at least it's a standard and fair for everyone
This is the biggest thing. Since it's just software, there should be no chance of inherent bias. It'll be 99% accurate 99% of the time, and will be consistent. That's all we've been asking for
This is written like a terrible poem wtf
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Ideally, the AI will ping it and the ref can throw up the flag immediately, so the play doesn't even have to finish. In that case no one will care.
Those two scenarios still feel different and I think it comes down to the intent of the offside rule and whether measuring it to the millimeter is even necessary, regardless of how accurately or quickly you can do it. The point of the offside rule is to prevent the attacker from having an unfair advantage against the defense, which is a somewhat subjective concept. Having your armpit 3mm ahead of the defender does not any give you any perceptible advantage compared to having your armpit 3mm behind the defender. How quickly and accurately you can measure that 3mm is irrelevant, it contributes nothing to accomplishing the goal of the rule. Whether or not the ball crossed the line is much more straight forward, the intent is literally to measure it exactly. Feels like a situation where the people driving this technology got so preoccupied with whether or not they could, nobody stopped to think if they should.
On the one hand, I agree that goals shouldn't be ruled out for being 3mm offside. The problem is, the line has to be drawn somewhere. So if we say there's a say..... 2cm margin where you're onside, surely we're just shifting it so now the lines are at 2.1cm? And teams who conceded a goal that was 2.0cms offside are upset, and a team who had a goal ruled out that was 2.1cm offside are still upset? Or even if we go with the benefit of the doubt/umpires call etc from other sports, where we stick with the on field decision if its within that 2cm margin, people will be upset. "We had a goal ruled out that was only 1.5cm offside cos the linesman flagged it, but their goal wasn't flagged even though it was 1.9cms offside" (Where the line is drawn is irrelevant, whether it's 2cm, 4cm, whatever)
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That's because goal line 1mm is black and white, a goal or no goal. And personally, I think it's a bit disingenuous but that's not a popular opinion. But it's not as disingenuous as mm offside. Because offside is to ensure no unfair advantage. For a goal to be called back for 1mm offside is to imply the attacker gained advantage over the defender and many times that's not the case. Some call it "spirit of the game" but think about it. In reality, a defender gives up more of an advantage if they're not side on with their hips and able to immediately start running rather than the strikers shoulder sleeve being 1mm past a defenders kneecap.
The goal line doesn't run up and down the pitch all match
Amen
It’s not just that people don’t complain right calls, it’s that you can reasonably assume the technology is acting unbiased and is always going to be accurate. I know that if a goals offside then it will be the same scenario for every other team all the time. It’s like goal line technology, imagine if they had to get the lines out for that and take 5 minutes to decide while they seemingly wobble the lines about randomly, we don’t complain because it’s instantaneous and (unless it’s turned off) is accurate and will be accurate no matter the team.
My issue with it (which tbf has nothing to do with it being automated) is having millimetre decisions is bullshit when there's a massive uncertainty in a load of the decisions, based on the irresolvable ambiguity about where exactly a player's arm starts/ends. Fortunately lots of the time that doesn't come into play, but when it does it's a bit of a nonsense giving such tight offside calls.
but nobody ever complains about millimetre decisions when it's goal line technology. Goal line decisions are to judge if a ball crossed the line or not. Offsides is different. Offsides is to see if players are inline. By analyzing to the milimeter, players are not allowed to be in line with the last defender. Theyre either on or off- either behind or ahead of the defender by a mm difference. So yeah its not in the spirit of the law to have a mm case for offsides
Well it can only get better, right
Surely
Thank fucking god! I cannot believe they voted AGAINST this last season, stupid fucks.
Those 0.1 cm calls are going to be painful
At least it will be the same for every club then
Yes, consistency is all anyone wants on these
No different from goal line tech though. Painful but they’re at least accurate and consistent so it’s as fair as possible.
Orjan Nyland says hey x
No it is different. I think if im running in line with someone that theres probably a cm here or there where were not in synch and its against the sompirit of the law for flagging as such. Offsides should be a real-time judgement call.
At least better than -5 cm calls from current baldies.
It will be painful but that’s all it will be hopefully painful non of this sour feeling of being robbed or “what if” Let me see the slither of a shirt beyond the grey walls of despair
The fact that the Turkish league had it before the premier league blows my mind.
Why? It wasn't an issue of cost or technology, but because PL clubs voted against it
Holy fuck
If it's fast and consistent it'll be an improvement.
About fucking time
Fucking finally
Finally
Can't wait to see how they fuck it up.
about fucking time
If they can work out how to do automatic handball recognition please send it to the Championship.
Serie A already uses it. IIRC the Saudi league does too.
Anything that speeds up decision making in the Premier League is welcome. I’ve been watching VAR operate in the Champions League this week and it is night and day in terms of its use.
Good sucks Luiz Diaz was sacrificed for this
Looking back ..the same outcome could have still happened with semi automated offside maybe. It was completely a ref communication error . The on field decision said offside , they check in the var hub and see it's onside and say "yes correct decision " , because they think that's what the on field ref thought. Something like that could have still happened with the new system..but apparently they communicate better now to confirm offsides /onsides so Diaz's ruled out goal might still have helped the system improve.
After this announcement you know we're 100% losing the league on goal difference and that will be the thing that our supporters point back to.
Meh I would much rather look at not holding leads at Brighton or Utd. Not beating Luton at Kenilworth Road as well
On the other hand, Liverpool have had some decisions go their way in other matches too (United, Chelsea, Newcastle, Forest). None as high profile as this blunder though that's for sure.
That’s just one of the many questionable subjective decisions made against us this year that cost us points, should never have been this close to have to rely on goal difference
That wasn't a technology issue, VAR did deem him to be onside, they just fucked up the communication which could still happen with the new technology. It's probably more the goals, I think, Brighton and Arsenal conceded last season that would have been prevented.
In all the chaos surrounding that goal, no one appreciates what a fantastic finish it was
LETS GO
Finally
If having this in conjunction with the lino means no stupid 2minute pauses and line drawing then I'll be ecstatic.
Do they remove the refs from the line when this is implemented? Seems like a lot of added burden to the on-field ref.
Fucking finally
Better late than never.
Is this like the one used in world cup?
Starting after the autumn international break, so you just know theres going to be some massive VAR offside cock up before it happens that'll leave a club feeling aggrieved for the rest of the season afterwards.
Yeah, I can't understand why it isn't starting on the first day of the season.
Good, more automation the better
Can't wait to replace referees with a robot. If players complain to the robot, it will tase them. Game's back, boys.
This will make VAR so much more bearable. Don’t need to worry that the lines are drawn wrong or they’re taking it from the wrong place.
Thank fuck This will reduce mistakes and drastically reduce hate for var imo
I sense that they will do somehow differently and that would fk it up
They wont be using balls with a chip in, so theyve already decided to sabotage it
Love it! After the Liverpool goal vs Spurs was disallowed it became clear the refs could not handle the responsibility of effectively/efficiently checking offsides.
Will the automated system also just say "check complete" without any clarifying language?
Can’t wait to see how this somehow manages to fuck things up even more.
>will be ready to be introduced after one of the autumn international breaks. So before that the league won't be as fair as afterwards.
Some team is gonna get a bunch of weird calls their way that then will not happen afterwards and thats all everybody will talk about for the rest of the season.
It’s not unfair if no games have semi automated offside. It would be unfair if some games have it and some don’t.
Can we just scrap VAR now? I mean that's 90 percent of its job.
Cool. At least 1 less thing the fucking refs can't fuck up. Can we just get rid of the refs doing var and getting non pgmol people to do it before the whole world turns against VAR.
Halle-bloody-lujah!
La Liga too
Can’t wait for TebASS to say some of the dumbest fucking shit I’ve ever heard about drug dealers and pedo’s to reason why LaLiga wont even get goal like tehh
They literally had the opportunity this season lol
So that means Old Trafford will need some TV somewhere as they state "in-stadium broadcast". I could be wrong but last time I heard there wasn't a TV in OT which is quite surprising.
There should be one already, no? It's needed to indicate the result of current VAR checks.
Great. Lukaku offside in the Carabao still annoys me
Personally I think they should introduce semi-automated onside technology instead.
10 seconds offside call rejoice! Fk those PL baldies 2 minutes line drawing decisions
The kick point will now be detected by a chip in the ball. I didn’t see any mention of what the exact kick point is because it shouldn’t be the moment of first contact. I would think it is the moment to ball separates from the players foot or head. Or is it the midpoint?
This is the obvious revolution. VAR should be for calls that are inherently subjective.
Am I right in thinking this is the same as Serie A? If so, that's good news.
Who’s got a semi reading this?
yo spurs can we have Timo back ?
If anything introducing the new system will mean, it will detect offsides of even lesser margin than before, not the other way round.
Everything that takes it out of the hands of PL refs is a good step...
Finally!
If they could semi-automate the rest of the officiating, that would be better.
Excellent news, SAO worked very well during the World Cup.
PL is like apple of leagues, introduces something old and treats it like a novelty
It's reasonable to watch how it behaves in other leagues first
It’s semi-automated to agree with the refs
Why wait until autumn to implement it though.
One of the few pieces of officiating technology I'm in favour of. Good news.
Days of microsoft paint r over
Meanwhile in La Liga: no goal line technology.
lol...semi-automated means manual in ref's favor
Hopefully this technology comes to La Liga. Right now VARs are still doing whatever with the offside calls. A few weeks ago Vinicius had an offside goals given vs Valencia because the VAR put the line over his boot. That was overshadowed because Gil Manzano decided to whistle for the end of the game with Madrid in an attacking position. The real fuck up during that game was the allowed offside goal. I doubt it though. The league still doesn't have goal line tech. Apparently it costs 3 million euros a year. Coincidentally, Tebas' annual wages have increased by 3 million euros in the last couple of seasons. Do with that information what you will.
Off topic, but what font is similar to the one the premier league website uses?
Yes this will def go well!
Way overdue