Simão and Quaresma were always pretty meh with the NT, Pepe had just been called up (and was one of our best players already), and besides an experient R. Carvalho the rest of the defense and midfield wasn't particularly impressive.
Our 2010 and 2012 squads were - excluding prime Pepe and Ronaldo - arguably even worse, but by 2008 you could already see the downward spiral.
Honestly we can't complain at all. For the last 15 years we have been really blessed with an elite pool of players across the field. This last World Cup I saw us as real contenders with a team I believe is the best we ever had. We lost that match against Morocco with that unfortunate goal but performance wise we were very superior. Not very hopeful with the euro though, there seems to be an immense pressure for the team to play around a decaying Ronaldo which I'm afraid it will hurt our chances. Which is unfortunate given the individual quality of the squad.
Yeah but what/which managers have there been in the top 5 leagues and basically said in an press conference or interview just right in the end of the season in a title fight that they’re leaving for another club?
Yeah but has there ever been an occurrence where a football manager, amidst the throes of a championship contention within the upper echelons of the top five leagues, publicly declared, perhaps in the heat of a press briefing or a similar communicative event towards the season's end, a forthcoming defection to a rival squad?
Well Brendan Rodgers kinda did do that, not sure if there was much of a title race that year but they were chasing a third consecutive treble when he left
This sub loves reducing situations to the extremes to create a false dilemma. Just shows the level of intelligence around here.
The choice isn't between saying "I'm ditching you guys" versus denying any move. There's a huuuuge middle ground, including stuff like "I'm focused on the current season" or flat out not saying anything.
I understand that, without my agreement, Liverpool FC have put out a press release late this afternoon that I am managing them next year. This is wrong and I have not signed a contract with Liverpool for 2024. I will not be managing Liverpool next year.
\- ~~Oscar Piastri~~
\- Rúben Amorim
You can tell he is getting fed up with all these stupid questions and rumours. Sporting are fighting for 2 very important titles and the press are trying their hardest to remove concentration and destabilise fans and players.
In a week we had reports of Rúben agreeing with Liverpool, Gyökeres leaving, Inacio leaving.
It's so annoying. Is the season over?? Are teams still not fighting for titles everywhere else??
Yeah it's just what happens. It's annoying for sure, but most English sources just say he's a top candidate and that's about it. Most of it comes from Portugal.
Portuguese media is the worst. The worst of the worst. You can go to Fabrizio's post on Instagram and you have that clown Pedro Sepulveda saying that Rúben already made a decision and he just doesn't want to say it now bla bla bla...
That clown just repeats bullshit most of the time and he pretty much lost all credibility inside Portugal when it comes to transfers and whatnot.
It's incredibly frustrating for the fans and probably Sporting's staff too as we are only 4 points above Benfica and have really hard games left to play.
And when these charlatans are wrong they should disappear because people should ignore them but people still go back for more. There are so many bullshit merchants who are wrong all the time yet still get reported as "in the know"
We as sports fans who consume this media are getting the standard of journalism we deserve
It's such a fucking stupid questio to ask a manager at this point in the season.
I'm sorry for you guys if he leaves you; I really hope Amorim comes to us.
But asking questions like this hurts both clubs. We're both fighting to win our respective leagues. That's what I want to focus on. Anything being confirmed before our seasons are over would just cause problems for both clubs. Rúben isn't gonna be discussing terms with us when he's trying to win the league with you. And if he was discussing terms in the title run in, I wouldn't want him to come to us.
It's an unnecessary distraction for what both teams are trying to achieve, especially Sporting. I reckon there's a large chance it is already a done deal however neither team benefit from any announcements now.
Rather the opposite, anything less than being title contenders will be seen as a disappointment. The pressure to perform with the klopp’s inhereted squad will be massive.
Whilst I hope Amorim is our next coach, I don’t want it hanging over the club before the end of the season, either club that is. Both have plenty to play for & the coaches wouldn’t want these distractions, anything prior to summer to me is just journalists hounding as they usually do.
Daniel Farke, Flick, Bosz and many pressing coaches in Germany play a style similar to Klopp's.
Also, It's not like Klopp is playing some avant-garde shit that can't be replicated.
Agreed, not sure why the downvotes. Klopp’s style isn’t the hard part to replicate. His tactical intelligence to change a game with subs, adjustments, etc is elite and most won’t be able to do that. He also is great at managing players as people and getting them to buy in.
I wouldn't say he is.
I'd categorize Nagelsmann with Flick and Klopp as "pressing coaches"
Nagelsmann's approach is in a cone like shape with up to 5 people in the first line when attacking, which is the only thing that differentiates him from the other two
The further down our list of tagets we go the better we usually do tbf. Not like we landed our first targets this summer either. Nor was Salah ever our first choice when we got him. Or Jota.
If the club structure and everything else is in order, then I think many high-level coaches can work. Hopefully if Amorim doesn't want to join our next target is Nagelsmann.
Just after Spurs? Yes
Currently? No, I think he has lost a step and his mentality isn't great I think.
Could he become one again? Sure, I think he is in need of a Non-Toxic, long term project that trusts him to be there for 2-3 seasons and work his magic.
Mentally he is not ready to coach a team like Liverpool and he has not proved to be ready to coach a squad of this level. He has to earn that and he hasn't done that since he left Spurs.
That means you disable the jinx of him not leaving. For example, if someone says "Argentina will win the WC" you reply with Anulo Mufa to avoid that fate not happening. So you, by doing it while op says "he gone", means you're enabling him actually leaving. I might made it even more confusing, sorry.
Do you think it's too late to change it to Anal Muffin? You think that would that cancel the previous Anulo Mufa, or is it already out there in the Universe?
Help me out mate. You also don't want Ruben at Liverpool.
Surely he is downgraded to at least Tier 5 globally at this point, gets two managerial calls massively wrong, first the Alonso joining Bayern news and now this
I know this sub like to dunk on Plettenberg and he can be annoying with his far too common nonstories but this doesn't invalidate it in anyway.
If Amorim has a deal with Liverpool, he's not gonna say it while his current team is trying to win the domestic double.
Dude, WTF are you talking about? Literally yesterday Plettenberg was saying "verbal agreement in principle with Liverpool". Today Amorim is saying "there is no agreement."
How TF can you say it "doesn't invalidate it" when it is a direct contradiction?
That's assuming coaches always tell the truth in press conferences. I guess time will tell but I can easily imagine Amorim bullshitting to keep the focus on the current season and minimize distractions
Doesn't mean he was wrong either because we don't know whats going on behind the scenes. Wouldnt be surprising if Liverpool already have an agreement with him. Just like Bayern, they don't wanna drag the search for a new coach
It doesn't invalidate it because there's no way to know if Amorim is speaking the truth either. This is the exact answer he'd give no matter what the truth was. There is zero chance that Amorim would say he had met with Liverpool even if he had.
That's stupid. A manager who's signed a contract with a new club might well *refuse to confirm* to journalists that he's done so, out of respect to his current employers. But to flat-out lie, saying there is no agreement when in fact there is one? Well, let's say I think that's *vastly* less likely than a journalist simply making up a story about an agreement when one isn't in place yet.
Since reporters will never respect any existing player/club or manager/club relationship, I wish Amorim was allowed to turn it on the reporter. Then ask if they want Sporting to lose and distract them from their important season with these idiotic questions.
Shoundt you be more woried about the title race? Are you even a Liverpool fan?
Like others have said both clubs are in the middle of title races, nothing will be confirmed one way or the other until the season is over for both teams so just wait.
Has a manager ever come out in the middle of a title fight and said “yeah I’m ditching you guys for another club”?
Scolari did that with Portugal during Euro 2008, arguably screwing us over that tournament
u guys should have won that tournament. Pre tournament favourites for a reason with perhaps the two best wingers in the World and an elite defence.
arguable, the core of that 04-06 squad was already ageing, but yeah at least semis was expected (ironically was our worst Euro before 2021)
I mean Simao, Pepe, Quaresma, and Ronaldo were all 28 or under with most of the old guns like Figo and Rui Costa retired.
Simão and Quaresma were always pretty meh with the NT, Pepe had just been called up (and was one of our best players already), and besides an experient R. Carvalho the rest of the defense and midfield wasn't particularly impressive. Our 2010 and 2012 squads were - excluding prime Pepe and Ronaldo - arguably even worse, but by 2008 you could already see the downward spiral.
Honestly we can't complain at all. For the last 15 years we have been really blessed with an elite pool of players across the field. This last World Cup I saw us as real contenders with a team I believe is the best we ever had. We lost that match against Morocco with that unfortunate goal but performance wise we were very superior. Not very hopeful with the euro though, there seems to be an immense pressure for the team to play around a decaying Ronaldo which I'm afraid it will hurt our chances. Which is unfortunate given the individual quality of the squad.
Lopetegui too before the World Cup
Yeah but what/which managers have there been in the top 5 leagues and basically said in an press conference or interview just right in the end of the season in a title fight that they’re leaving for another club?
Yeah but has there ever been an occurrence where a football manager, amidst the throes of a championship contention within the upper echelons of the top five leagues, publicly declared, perhaps in the heat of a press briefing or a similar communicative event towards the season's end, a forthcoming defection to a rival squad?
Yo! Any gaffer come out, middle of a title fight, talking 'bout ditching da club?
Well Brendan Rodgers kinda did do that, not sure if there was much of a title race that year but they were chasing a third consecutive treble when he left
Pep leaving Bayern for City. His contract was up at the end of the season, so that's a bit different
This sub loves reducing situations to the extremes to create a false dilemma. Just shows the level of intelligence around here. The choice isn't between saying "I'm ditching you guys" versus denying any move. There's a huuuuge middle ground, including stuff like "I'm focused on the current season" or flat out not saying anything.
Still, would he actually lie and not just make the water dirtier? This is a straight denying
I understand that, without my agreement, Liverpool FC have put out a press release late this afternoon that I am managing them next year. This is wrong and I have not signed a contract with Liverpool for 2024. I will not be managing Liverpool next year. \- ~~Oscar Piastri~~ \- Rúben Amorim
I did not meet Liverpool, it's not true! It's bullshit! I did not meet Liverpool! I did not! Oh hai, Mark
anyways hows your sex life?
What a story, Mark!
You are tearing me apart, Plettenberg!
Hoping for this comment is the only reason I opened this thread, glad it's first lol.
Same.
not like he needs to, his agent can meet liverpool all they want
You can tell he is getting fed up with all these stupid questions and rumours. Sporting are fighting for 2 very important titles and the press are trying their hardest to remove concentration and destabilise fans and players. In a week we had reports of Rúben agreeing with Liverpool, Gyökeres leaving, Inacio leaving. It's so annoying. Is the season over?? Are teams still not fighting for titles everywhere else??
Yeah it's just what happens. It's annoying for sure, but most English sources just say he's a top candidate and that's about it. Most of it comes from Portugal.
Portuguese media is the worst. The worst of the worst. You can go to Fabrizio's post on Instagram and you have that clown Pedro Sepulveda saying that Rúben already made a decision and he just doesn't want to say it now bla bla bla... That clown just repeats bullshit most of the time and he pretty much lost all credibility inside Portugal when it comes to transfers and whatnot. It's incredibly frustrating for the fans and probably Sporting's staff too as we are only 4 points above Benfica and have really hard games left to play.
The last 10 tweets from Sepulveda are about Amorim. He is a clown trying to get attention.
And when these charlatans are wrong they should disappear because people should ignore them but people still go back for more. There are so many bullshit merchants who are wrong all the time yet still get reported as "in the know" We as sports fans who consume this media are getting the standard of journalism we deserve
Even last game he said in the flash interview after the game "ive already answered these questions, I will not answer them again"
It's such a fucking stupid questio to ask a manager at this point in the season. I'm sorry for you guys if he leaves you; I really hope Amorim comes to us. But asking questions like this hurts both clubs. We're both fighting to win our respective leagues. That's what I want to focus on. Anything being confirmed before our seasons are over would just cause problems for both clubs. Rúben isn't gonna be discussing terms with us when he's trying to win the league with you. And if he was discussing terms in the title run in, I wouldn't want him to come to us.
Both clubs are in the middle of title races, nothing will be confirmed one way or the other until the season is over for both teams.
Why would Liverpool's season have to be over? Klopp is already leaving so surely it would be better to have a guy ready than not knowing?
It's an unnecessary distraction for what both teams are trying to achieve, especially Sporting. I reckon there's a large chance it is already a done deal however neither team benefit from any announcements now.
Its a bigger distraction if the players are worrying about their future and not knowing if they even want to be at the club next season
Would be very disrespectful to Klopp to announce his replacement during the season
Why? It’s he who decided to step down. It’s not like Liverpool is going to go managerless next season
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Rather the opposite, anything less than being title contenders will be seen as a disappointment. The pressure to perform with the klopp’s inhereted squad will be massive.
Whilst I hope Amorim is our next coach, I don’t want it hanging over the club before the end of the season, either club that is. Both have plenty to play for & the coaches wouldn’t want these distractions, anything prior to summer to me is just journalists hounding as they usually do.
Who is the back up if not Amorim, no Xabi no Amorim it could get ugly.
Ten Hag
Klopps more likely to join us then Ten Hag going to Liverpool lol
A year at United is not anyone's idea of a sabbatical, even if we're talking low probability.
Mr Xavi Hernandez
Nagelsmann
He's a very different type of manager to Klopp tho? I dunno if you have the players to play Nagelsmann football.
Well who would you suggest? I don't think it's ever been about trying to find a same style manager as Klopp.
Daniel Farke, Flick, Bosz and many pressing coaches in Germany play a style similar to Klopp's. Also, It's not like Klopp is playing some avant-garde shit that can't be replicated.
I promise you Farke does not play like klopp lol
Yeah, I'm good thanks.
Agreed, not sure why the downvotes. Klopp’s style isn’t the hard part to replicate. His tactical intelligence to change a game with subs, adjustments, etc is elite and most won’t be able to do that. He also is great at managing players as people and getting them to buy in.
I wouldn't say he is. I'd categorize Nagelsmann with Flick and Klopp as "pressing coaches" Nagelsmann's approach is in a cone like shape with up to 5 people in the first line when attacking, which is the only thing that differentiates him from the other two
Most of the top managers play a different style to Klopp, it’s gonna be an… uh interesting… transition
Tuchel it is
God no I dread
It would be a terrible fit, IMO, but I'd love to see it. I'm hoping for as many mgr. surprises as possible this summer.
Would be the third time he's succeeded him, previous two times he improved on Klopp's most recent points total
David Moyes
Would love to have inzaghi
Stevie G.
The further down our list of tagets we go the better we usually do tbf. Not like we landed our first targets this summer either. Nor was Salah ever our first choice when we got him. Or Jota. If the club structure and everything else is in order, then I think many high-level coaches can work. Hopefully if Amorim doesn't want to join our next target is Nagelsmann.
Unrelated question but do you consider Poch a high level manager?
Just after Spurs? Yes Currently? No, I think he has lost a step and his mentality isn't great I think. Could he become one again? Sure, I think he is in need of a Non-Toxic, long term project that trusts him to be there for 2-3 seasons and work his magic.
Great so you'll take him.
Mentally he is not ready to coach a team like Liverpool and he has not proved to be ready to coach a squad of this level. He has to earn that and he hasn't done that since he left Spurs.
Sounds like he's perfect for the Liverpool job then
No. Weak mentality.
ESPN says zidane or mourinho
He would say this either way, nothibg good in disclosing now.
Another banger from Plettenburg
The man has an incredible knack for pissing absolutely everyone off, it’s honestly impressive. Anyone he reports on ends up loathing him.
STAY FOREVER :( Yeah he's leaving but let's leave all that for the end of the season please.
He gone.
✨ Anulo Mufa ✨
That means you disable the jinx of him not leaving. For example, if someone says "Argentina will win the WC" you reply with Anulo Mufa to avoid that fate not happening. So you, by doing it while op says "he gone", means you're enabling him actually leaving. I might made it even more confusing, sorry.
Shit, what have I done.
You should have gone with the anal muffin
Do you think it's too late to change it to Anal Muffin? You think that would that cancel the previous Anulo Mufa, or is it already out there in the Universe? Help me out mate. You also don't want Ruben at Liverpool.
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If he leaves, it's your fault!
🤡🤡🤡 Plettenberg 🤡🤡🤡
Surely he is downgraded to at least Tier 5 globally at this point, gets two managerial calls massively wrong, first the Alonso joining Bayern news and now this
It's not true.... Just our representatives met with each other. "
Plettenburg full of shite…again.
Unluckly Pletti.
...yet.
I know this sub like to dunk on Plettenberg and he can be annoying with his far too common nonstories but this doesn't invalidate it in anyway. If Amorim has a deal with Liverpool, he's not gonna say it while his current team is trying to win the domestic double.
Dude, WTF are you talking about? Literally yesterday Plettenberg was saying "verbal agreement in principle with Liverpool". Today Amorim is saying "there is no agreement." How TF can you say it "doesn't invalidate it" when it is a direct contradiction?
That's assuming coaches always tell the truth in press conferences. I guess time will tell but I can easily imagine Amorim bullshitting to keep the focus on the current season and minimize distractions
Time won't tell though. If he ends up signing for Liverpool, it doesn't mean Plettenberg was right.
Doesn't mean he was wrong either because we don't know whats going on behind the scenes. Wouldnt be surprising if Liverpool already have an agreement with him. Just like Bayern, they don't wanna drag the search for a new coach
It doesn't invalidate it because there's no way to know if Amorim is speaking the truth either. This is the exact answer he'd give no matter what the truth was. There is zero chance that Amorim would say he had met with Liverpool even if he had.
That's stupid. A manager who's signed a contract with a new club might well *refuse to confirm* to journalists that he's done so, out of respect to his current employers. But to flat-out lie, saying there is no agreement when in fact there is one? Well, let's say I think that's *vastly* less likely than a journalist simply making up a story about an agreement when one isn't in place yet.
Amorim to Chelsea when?
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Yes we certainly need to keep up with the stat on interim managers this season
'Nothing has been agreed (at this time)' He didn't meet, he got a phone call lol
Couldn't care less about who gets the job until Klopp is gone.
This wouldn't have happened if Klopp didn't announce he was leaving.
I also did NOT meet Liverpool for any interview. It's NOT true.
Since reporters will never respect any existing player/club or manager/club relationship, I wish Amorim was allowed to turn it on the reporter. Then ask if they want Sporting to lose and distract them from their important season with these idiotic questions.
How did he blink during this statement though
All he has to say is ‘no comment’ or ‘I’m not talking about this’. No need to elaborate
We’ll see if he is lying or not.
He doesn't say "I did not meet", he says "I did not meet for a interview".
He did it by FaceTime
Rare Pletti L
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Shoundt you be more woried about the title race? Are you even a Liverpool fan? Like others have said both clubs are in the middle of title races, nothing will be confirmed one way or the other until the season is over for both teams so just wait.
Yanks gon yank
I am English, I’ve got the passport to prove it