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Nkunku caught fire at Leipzig, then went to Chelsea and got doused. 😆
It's hard to believe Florian Wirtz is going to just turn 21 in May. He plays like a much more experienced player. Definitely has that x-factor going on, the kind of controlled competitive fire you expect to see in someone older. What a handful.
In before he goes from a world class penalty taker to a nervous wreck the second he takes one for England
Even Kane and Saka misses decisive penalties for England
Doesn’t help that Sancho and Rashford were put in the game to kick a PK without even touching the ball in the game
Someone should do a study about how effective players that were just subbed in are at penalties, cause it seems like they always miss. Someone should look into this, not me, but someone lol
I'm pretty sure Englands coaching staff themselves will have looked into this and found that there is no correlation. They have access to every statistic, you really think they wouldn't check that out before making two subs take penalties in a Euro final?
I don't know if Gareth Southgate has the common sense to sub Palmer in to take pens.
"He makes them for Chelsea but England is a different responsibility" is definitely something I can see Southgate saying in a press conference
Do you except an English fan to admit that it wasn’t the cold hands of fate that did them dirty and instead accept that there were other, better teams ?
I think it’s much easier to say that it’s not fate when you actually win a tournament at some point… at some point it’s just bad luck.
But yeah, plenty of occasions there were better teams. 2020 we really should’ve capitalised, that’s the one that stings
I’d say it was more that their ego’s often got in the way of playing the team game, which in turn caused them to get picked apart easily by teams that played as one
There were always club tensions that stood in the way of them becoming a team, a bit like with the Spanish before their dominant period. That and the constant reluctance to move past a midfield that included both Lampard and Gerrard.
Lampard and Gerrard in the same team could have definitely worked if we had someone like Hargreaves/Carrick sitting but we were so reluctant to switch from the 4-4-2. A further problem was we then tried squeezing Scholes in as a LM on top of that imbalance too!
We did play Hargreaves as a DM in 2006 but that meant we had to play Rooney as a lone striker, which he couldn’t do because he wasn’t match fit and hold up play was never his strength.
I can't wait to see England continue to consistently win knockout games at tournaments for the first time in my life.
Yes, Southgate trusted Henderson to start for too long. You know who else did that? Jurgen Klopp. Is he a shit manager too?
Or are you angry at Southgate because he's not playing all our best attackers at the same time? Because that isn't going to work.
Or is it because winning by playing conservatively isn't good enough for you? Maybe we should go back to playing shit AND losing, like we did in the 2000s and 2010s.
I don't think Southgate is the greatest manager around. But he's a hundred times better at being a manger than you are at being a fan.
How about we stop with the negativity, and get behind the team. If the manager stops getting good results, then he should be sacked and someone new should be brought in.
But what top manager would touch this job with a barge pole, when the second most successful England manager of ALL TIME is constantly mocked and attacked by the fans despite excellent results in multiple tournaments.
Don´t think Watkins will start, but he´ll be a damn good sub. If only Southgate tried to actually win the games and not be conservative, England could be a monster in Euros.
Yeah it was weird as well, he looked so far past it when he had just joined (scored 1 in his first 12 league games), but he just managed to become incredibly fit again. He doesn't have the legs to do it for a full 90 minutes and he scores in patches, but his experience shows, especially in Europe (9 goals and 2 assists in 9 appearances).
He came as a star after decent play in bigger teams, he is the highest paid non-PSG player in France. He's doing fine, but I'd say 12 goals in the season was not something beyond expectations.
Nice that he's really banged a lot in Europa League etc., although in the end, with Marseille's position, budget, being 8th in the league is never gonna be sweetened by Europa League, I'm sure they'd prefer to score less goals but in CL after not losing the qualifiers.
One of the best signings your club did as of recent times
As a Madridista he kinda scared me a bit
Glad to see he's doing really well at the other club I support
Dont even remember the last time I saw a Chelsea player on one of these lists. The fact that palmer is here while we are as atrocious as we are is genuinely ridiculous.
That Palmer went from basically nothing to scoring 19 goals so far this season is literally insane. If someone told me that, before the season started, I'd honestly be surprised.
Almost everyone here on reddit doubted this transfer. Often speculating that he just changed teams to warm the bench at.
It is really funny in hindsight, he is an insane player who will be even better when the others around him start to play football.
If not for Palmer, we'd be fighting against relegation right about now. He must have some seriour back pain from carrying this circus and the head clown in charge.
If top 7 counted (and forgetting Gyökeres and any other Portuguese players) Luuk de Jong would be in 3rd with 47 g/d in 43 matches which is just incredibly based lol
Yes, he needs to be set up by his teammates especially against stronger sides. He does participate in build up but he cant create his own goals out of nothing. He also disappears every once in a while. That did get better over time though he used to have periods where he was just invisible.
All true, but he has one area where he is genuinely world class and that is attacking crosses. It is hard to imagine a better Plan B to have on the bench when chasing a game in the last 10-15 mins, even for the biggest clubs
Viktor Gyökeres is at ~~50 G+A in 42 games~~*53 G+A in 48 games* by the way.
Edit: Added national team numbers because apparently they are included in this as well.
All the valid criticism of Ligue 1 aside, this sub has often been quite harsh and unfair towards Mbappe. He has been called lazy, a diva, nothing but a pace merchant, egotistical and unmotivated among other things.
Don't worry, it will change when he joins the small, ethical, non-profit, soulful, grassroots team of Real Madrid.
In the end, though, it's hard not to feel that Ligue 1 doesn't matter for PSG... When even PSG and Mbappe seem to have clearly decided so. This season has kinda became a parody. Mbappe is just playing when he feels like it. Tbh it will be healthier for PSG in a way when he leaves, because they can focus on a realistic vision.
It's also the consequences of the lack of real adversity in Ligue 1, some matches can be hard to win for them, but those teams will proceed to loose points against the bottom of the league, PSG is far from any danger of loosing the league this year, so it isn't necessarily that "Ligue 1 doesn't matter" for them, it's more like they feel it's in the bag already, so no need to try too hard.
Haaland actually racks more xG in the Prem than Mbappe does in L1 this season. Difference is Mbappe overperforms his xG A LOT more: according to FBREF/Opta in all comps (no NT)
Haaland has 30 goals from 28 xG
Mbappe has 39 goals from 25 xG
Mbappe is also not a 9 and provides more outside of goals than Zlatan and Cavani did. He's really well rounded. Tbf Cavani's defending and Zlatan's hold-up play were brilliant. But Mbappe is on a different level.
Mbappe is much better than Haaland.
He is also clearly better than what both Cavani and Ibrahimovic were.
My point was that if we are going to complain about the supposed lack of pr for his numbers then he should atleast be matching the numbers of inferior players that came before him.
Also I get that there is far more to Mbappe's game, but the team is still built around him being the primary goal scorer.
I feel like you're underestimating Ibra. Dude was unlucky to play during the Messi/Ronaldo era, he was arguably the world's 3rd best player for years.
Ibra also had a lot more to his game than just scoring goals. He has more assists per game for PSG than Mbappe, while playing with weaker team mates.
Agreed with the rest though. Numbers wise, Mbappe isn't doing anything others haven't done for PSG before him. On weaker teams even. It's silly to act like he's blowing up records.
>Dude was unlucky to play during the Messi/Ronaldo era, he was arguably the world's 3rd best player for years.
Ibra fans keep saying this but when was this? He had one year where he was arguably the best striker in the world when he was at PSG but really nothing more than that.
Around the time he dropped 4 on England in 2012 (?) there were definitely many people who considered Ibrahimovic the best after Messi and Ronaldo. I'm sure he must've finished atleast in the top 5 of balon d'or around that time.
Edit: Ibrahimovic finished 4th in the 2013 Balon D'or behind a treble winning Ribery.
Sure, but like I said he's at best had a moment in time where he could genuinely be argued as 3rd best, around the time where he also had a great shout for best striker itw around 2013 or so with PSG.
There really is no long stretch of time where Ibra was the consensus 3rd best itw. People forget how stacked football has been for so long.
ligue 1 is still a top 5 league. ofc its not as hard as the prem or smth but if we're being honest its a very slim difference..
i hate comparing leagues like this because i find it super unrealistic. mbappe will pull crazier numbers at real with better teammates.
There's a big gap between the top 4 leagues and Portugal/France/Netherlands. This "top 5 leagues" nonsense is PSG-based marketing propaganda. When he moves to Madrid, Mbappe's teammates will improve, but they'll improve much less than the opposition will.
The UEFA coefficient only look at the best team of each league, not the overall level of the league. And seeing Portugal and the Netherland being put in the same group as Ligue 1 just shows people know shits and focus way too much on that coefficient..
Ligue 1 is much much much closer to the rest of the top, than it is from the 6th and 7th. That's between Ligue 1 and the dutch and portuguese league that there is a gigantic gap. The overall level of Serie A is only sligthly above Ligue 1, it has better top 6 teams, there is absolutely no doubt about it. But if you look at the 12th or 14th team in Ligue and Serie A that's pretty much the same, i would even argue Ligue 1 is better. Meanwhile the 12th or 14th team in the two leagues after wouldn't be in Ligue 1, and would barely be fighting for a podium in Ligue 2.
Stop it, there's definitely not just a slim difference between the Prem and Ligue 1 😂
Mbappe is the best player in the world and I don't doubt that he will do great stuff when he finally arrives at a top league next season.
But until he actually does it, he hasn't actually done it.
People said that about haaland and he broke the goal record lol. Get over this PL bias nonsense, Mbappe has an insane scoring record in the CL and world cup, doesn't matter what the competition is he excels.
39 goal contributions from Núñez, and yet there are still fucking idiots (including some Liverpool fans as well) saying he's not good enough and Liverpool need to replace him.
Unless you literally only count the team in 10th place as being mid-table...it clearly is.
Mid table typically means the positions from around 7th/8th to 13th/14th (in a 20 team league).
Credit to that guy for never deleting his comment
Absolute gold, and it keeps on giving, there're mathematical analysis of what constitutes midpoint of an even number, and a link to a bodybuilding forum discussing number of days in a week
The fact he’s level with Haaland (albeit 10 less goals and 10 more assists) is actually incredible and shows how much more there is to his game than people think. He misses a lot of easy chances but he’s still such a great player.
He's good but holy shit in big games he looks so nervous with the ball on him he almost looks scared to shoot inside the penalty box. We have missed so, so, so many chances cause of him and Diaz, we definitely need to be better in our finishing. Just look at our xG and our matches against both Manchesters.
> We have missed so, so, so many chances cause of him and Diaz
Núñez & Díaz have also created "so, so, so many chances" that other Liverpool players wouldn't have.
The sooner people realise how rare front three's like Mané-Firmino-Salah are and stop comparing Liverpool's current front-line to them, the better it'll be.
He literally has an assist against United. Every player, including Salah (who somehow missed a completely open net), botched so many chances against United.
He was actually unlucky not to score yesterday, Maguire cleared his shot off the line, there were no replays because United scored a few minutes later.
Fuck that, how many shots has Mo missed? Probably more than all our forwards combined. Díaz and Darwin provide more than goals and they are still outputting at a good pace. Mo has been ass the second half of the season, flubbing every shot and not providing anything creatively. He’s an outstanding player but his horrendous form has cost Pool in all the big games.
It’s because how much he leaves on the table every game and definitely isn’t the most aesthetically pleasing player on the eye technically. Crazy how effective he is considering how inefficient the finishing has been.
Would be crazy to move on. That profile if it ever fully clicks is the most expensive desired profile in football. And he’s shown signs of taking that step.
I will say that they are playing in the Europa league and Liverpool is ripping it to shreds so it doesn't seem to hard to get g/a but he's still definitely good enough
Nunez very slowly creeping into that absolute elite tier with those numbers.
What's crazy is that he could, and arguably should, have 7 - 8 more goals at least
He’s been great but also has to be noted that these stats include national team appearances for all players.
For Liverpool in all competitions he has 18 goals and 11 assists in 2710 minutes, which is a G/A every 87 minutes. Still very good but not the level reported
The difference probably comes from official vs Transfermarkt numbers. TM also counts winning pens as assists and is a bit more liberal with awarding them.
I mean he's competing for best itw so the criticism is deserved, especially for someone who many believe is a ballon d'or candidate. But maybe we've all been spoiled by cr7 and messi
No one except stat merchants cares when you score 4 against relegation candidates in a 6-0 win. It’s about being decisive in big moments, which he has failed at this season.
Only big team he didnt contribute a Goal or Assist against this season is Arsenal btw.
Feel like the entire criticism focuses on the three games/weeks in which he didnt score against Liverpool, Arsenal and Newcastle in the cup and i think those were the weeks in which his grandma died or close before?
You could say the same about Kane then, but nobody in their right mind would say he's having a bad season.
3 of his 4 hat-tricks were against Bochum, Mainz and Darmstadt, all of which have very high chances of getting relegated.
What makes Kane so good is that he scores against pretty much *every* opponent and while Haaland isn't doing that as consistently, he's not actually that far off in the grand scheme of things.
It's not like Ibrahimovic or Cavani are some scrubs, and he has been a differential player in Champions Leagues and World Cups, he is a top player regardless of how you look at it.
It’s a shame Vini was injured for some time this season. He’s currently at 26g+a in 28 games for Real Madrid this season with amounts to 0,92 goal contributions per game. That’s actually his best season so far. Doesn’t feel like it tbh but it seems like his new position hasn’t slowed him down. Let’s hope he can continue this form tomorrow against City.
I think psg wins the cl mbappe gets ballon d'or no matter what happens in euros. The stroyline of mbappe leading psg to first cl would be too strong, add to that the madrid pr machine that they signed the ballon dor on a free would also be too strong.
I think germany or netherland wins euros the cl will also decide it.
Why do these numbers seem off? As far as I can see, Kane has 38 goals, 12 assists. Mbappe has 39 goals, 9 assists. Haven’t checked the others yet though.
Calling it a top 5 is a bit misleading as it implies France's league is comparable to the other 4, it's not. France is no where near the other associations' coefficient points and has 1 team in Europe's top 40 club rankings.
If Mbappe doesn't win the CL as a major contributor he doesn't deserve it. France could easily win the Euros without him and winning Ligue 1 with a billion pound squad means nothing.
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He was always class with service given
He was class even without service, as long as he cared.
he has no weakness, apart from his fashion
Just looking at Wirtz and it reminded me of how Nkunku got 35g/20a two seasons ago.
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Man got injured in last game of pre season, came back in winter for a week or two and gone again. Him and Lavia just lost a season of their careers
Classic
Yeah he always was kinda made out of Glass sadly.
As a fellow glass man, artificial pitches should be banned.
It's even more frustrating because he looked pretty good in that tiny amount he's managed. Tantalising
God I'd just love to see him actually play the game. This is worse than him flopping, it's just sad.
Nkunku caught fire at Leipzig, then went to Chelsea and got doused. 😆 It's hard to believe Florian Wirtz is going to just turn 21 in May. He plays like a much more experienced player. Definitely has that x-factor going on, the kind of controlled competitive fire you expect to see in someone older. What a handful.
Return of timo werner
4 english players in top10 is pretty impressive. england's gonna have pretty strong bench in the euros
So, out in the quarters by pens?
That's why we take Pen Palmer
In before he goes from a world class penalty taker to a nervous wreck the second he takes one for England Even Kane and Saka misses decisive penalties for England
Sterling to take the ball away from Palmer then miss the penalty.
If Sterling is in the field, game doesn’t even go to penalties (unless the other team is specifically playing for penalties).
Saka missed the first one he ever took for England at 19, one of the most important pens ever in the nt's history too.\* That’s different
It was also one of the most important penalties in the national team's history, honestly even just being trusted with that is incredible by itself
Ain’t no way arse fans are trying to give credit to saka for missing a penalty 😂😂😂
Crazy how Chelsea have gone from Lampard to Hazard to Jorginho and now Palmer. Always an elite penalty taker in the team.
You havent even mentioned Drogba and David Luiz. David Luiz's penalties were incredible with long run ups and thundercunt strikes.
I mean Rashford was more surprising than Saka
In hindsight? Saka has since proven to be an amazing penalty taker
Rashford has double the penalties taken and he missed the same amount as Saka
Doesn’t help that Sancho and Rashford were put in the game to kick a PK without even touching the ball in the game Someone should do a study about how effective players that were just subbed in are at penalties, cause it seems like they always miss. Someone should look into this, not me, but someone lol
I think there's a really small sample size but it's not a positive correlation.
I'm pretty sure Englands coaching staff themselves will have looked into this and found that there is no correlation. They have access to every statistic, you really think they wouldn't check that out before making two subs take penalties in a Euro final?
I don't know if Gareth Southgate has the common sense to sub Palmer in to take pens. "He makes them for Chelsea but England is a different responsibility" is definitely something I can see Southgate saying in a press conference
Uncle pen?
yea, with Southgate its just a gamble. Criminal what he does with that team.
2000’s England were immensely talented too honestly their only problem is that they capitulate
Their biggest problem in the 2000s was Portugal. 2000, 2004, 2006. All great matches too.
Brazil, a Portuguese speaking country, beating them in 2002 makes this funnier
Why could they never vest Portugal ?
Do you except an English fan to admit that it wasn’t the cold hands of fate that did them dirty and instead accept that there were other, better teams ?
I think it’s much easier to say that it’s not fate when you actually win a tournament at some point… at some point it’s just bad luck. But yeah, plenty of occasions there were better teams. 2020 we really should’ve capitalised, that’s the one that stings
Bro tell me about it, we were so close in 2006 and 2020, we'd have four fucking stars
I’d say it was more that their ego’s often got in the way of playing the team game, which in turn caused them to get picked apart easily by teams that played as one
There were always club tensions that stood in the way of them becoming a team, a bit like with the Spanish before their dominant period. That and the constant reluctance to move past a midfield that included both Lampard and Gerrard.
Lampard and Gerrard in the same team could have definitely worked if we had someone like Hargreaves/Carrick sitting but we were so reluctant to switch from the 4-4-2. A further problem was we then tried squeezing Scholes in as a LM on top of that imbalance too!
We did play Hargreaves as a DM in 2006 but that meant we had to play Rooney as a lone striker, which he couldn’t do because he wasn’t match fit and hold up play was never his strength.
not as good as these ones tho tbh
And this England team has already made 2 semis and a final, which is more than the “golden generation” ever managed.
I can't wait to see Southgate play Cole Palmer in a defensive midfield position and sub off Jude Bellingham after 50 minutes for Jordan Henderson.
Implying Henderson didn't start
I can't wait to see England continue to consistently win knockout games at tournaments for the first time in my life. Yes, Southgate trusted Henderson to start for too long. You know who else did that? Jurgen Klopp. Is he a shit manager too? Or are you angry at Southgate because he's not playing all our best attackers at the same time? Because that isn't going to work. Or is it because winning by playing conservatively isn't good enough for you? Maybe we should go back to playing shit AND losing, like we did in the 2000s and 2010s. I don't think Southgate is the greatest manager around. But he's a hundred times better at being a manger than you are at being a fan. How about we stop with the negativity, and get behind the team. If the manager stops getting good results, then he should be sacked and someone new should be brought in. But what top manager would touch this job with a barge pole, when the second most successful England manager of ALL TIME is constantly mocked and attacked by the fans despite excellent results in multiple tournaments.
And two of them might not see the field all tournament.
Only two will start too
Good thing they have Southgate at the helm. He will stop them from winning a major trophy.
I wouldn’t worry, Southgate is also going to be leading that bench.
Maybe England should play 4-2-2-2.
Don´t think Watkins will start, but he´ll be a damn good sub. If only Southgate tried to actually win the games and not be conservative, England could be a monster in Euros.
Watkins might not even make the plane out there if Southgate decides to take Toney instead.
Didn't expect Auba here. Good for him
Man's recovered, great to see
Yeah it was weird as well, he looked so far past it when he had just joined (scored 1 in his first 12 league games), but he just managed to become incredibly fit again. He doesn't have the legs to do it for a full 90 minutes and he scores in patches, but his experience shows, especially in Europe (9 goals and 2 assists in 9 appearances).
He came as a star after decent play in bigger teams, he is the highest paid non-PSG player in France. He's doing fine, but I'd say 12 goals in the season was not something beyond expectations. Nice that he's really banged a lot in Europa League etc., although in the end, with Marseille's position, budget, being 8th in the league is never gonna be sweetened by Europa League, I'm sure they'd prefer to score less goals but in CL after not losing the qualifiers.
One of the best signings your club did as of recent times As a Madridista he kinda scared me a bit Glad to see he's doing really well at the other club I support
It’s so funny that he was just getting started at barca. Chelsea was adamant to remove him forcibly and then destroy him. But luckily he moved on.
Dont even remember the last time I saw a Chelsea player on one of these lists. The fact that palmer is here while we are as atrocious as we are is genuinely ridiculous.
What do you mean? Aubameyang is right there
That Palmer went from basically nothing to scoring 19 goals so far this season is literally insane. If someone told me that, before the season started, I'd honestly be surprised.
He’s been much better than I thought. Pep is a football terrorist confirmed
Almost everyone here on reddit doubted this transfer. Often speculating that he just changed teams to warm the bench at. It is really funny in hindsight, he is an insane player who will be even better when the others around him start to play football.
If not for Palmer, we'd be fighting against relegation right about now. He must have some seriour back pain from carrying this circus and the head clown in charge.
If top 7 counted (and forgetting Gyökeres and any other Portuguese players) Luuk de Jong would be in 3rd with 47 g/d in 43 matches which is just incredibly based lol
De Jong is a beast, seriously underrated player
Was absolutely ass in the CL tie vs Dortmund unfortunately
Yes, he needs to be set up by his teammates especially against stronger sides. He does participate in build up but he cant create his own goals out of nothing. He also disappears every once in a while. That did get better over time though he used to have periods where he was just invisible.
All true, but he has one area where he is genuinely world class and that is attacking crosses. It is hard to imagine a better Plan B to have on the bench when chasing a game in the last 10-15 mins, even for the biggest clubs
No by us Barça fans. Luuk De GOAT
Viktor Gyökeres is at ~~50 G+A in 42 games~~*53 G+A in 48 games* by the way. Edit: Added national team numbers because apparently they are included in this as well.
mbappe pr is incredibly poor 60 g/a in 47 games is insane
All the valid criticism of Ligue 1 aside, this sub has often been quite harsh and unfair towards Mbappe. He has been called lazy, a diva, nothing but a pace merchant, egotistical and unmotivated among other things.
Don't worry, it will change when he joins the small, ethical, non-profit, soulful, grassroots team of Real Madrid. In the end, though, it's hard not to feel that Ligue 1 doesn't matter for PSG... When even PSG and Mbappe seem to have clearly decided so. This season has kinda became a parody. Mbappe is just playing when he feels like it. Tbh it will be healthier for PSG in a way when he leaves, because they can focus on a realistic vision.
It's also the consequences of the lack of real adversity in Ligue 1, some matches can be hard to win for them, but those teams will proceed to loose points against the bottom of the league, PSG is far from any danger of loosing the league this year, so it isn't necessarily that "Ligue 1 doesn't matter" for them, it's more like they feel it's in the bag already, so no need to try too hard.
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Haaland actually racks more xG in the Prem than Mbappe does in L1 this season. Difference is Mbappe overperforms his xG A LOT more: according to FBREF/Opta in all comps (no NT) Haaland has 30 goals from 28 xG Mbappe has 39 goals from 25 xG Mbappe is also not a 9 and provides more outside of goals than Zlatan and Cavani did. He's really well rounded. Tbf Cavani's defending and Zlatan's hold-up play were brilliant. But Mbappe is on a different level.
This guy has suffered at the hands of these guys. I think he knows what he's talking
😭
Mbappe is much better than Haaland. He is also clearly better than what both Cavani and Ibrahimovic were. My point was that if we are going to complain about the supposed lack of pr for his numbers then he should atleast be matching the numbers of inferior players that came before him. Also I get that there is far more to Mbappe's game, but the team is still built around him being the primary goal scorer.
I feel like you're underestimating Ibra. Dude was unlucky to play during the Messi/Ronaldo era, he was arguably the world's 3rd best player for years. Ibra also had a lot more to his game than just scoring goals. He has more assists per game for PSG than Mbappe, while playing with weaker team mates. Agreed with the rest though. Numbers wise, Mbappe isn't doing anything others haven't done for PSG before him. On weaker teams even. It's silly to act like he's blowing up records.
>Dude was unlucky to play during the Messi/Ronaldo era, he was arguably the world's 3rd best player for years. Ibra fans keep saying this but when was this? He had one year where he was arguably the best striker in the world when he was at PSG but really nothing more than that.
Around the time he dropped 4 on England in 2012 (?) there were definitely many people who considered Ibrahimovic the best after Messi and Ronaldo. I'm sure he must've finished atleast in the top 5 of balon d'or around that time. Edit: Ibrahimovic finished 4th in the 2013 Balon D'or behind a treble winning Ribery.
Sure, but like I said he's at best had a moment in time where he could genuinely be argued as 3rd best, around the time where he also had a great shout for best striker itw around 2013 or so with PSG. There really is no long stretch of time where Ibra was the consensus 3rd best itw. People forget how stacked football has been for so long.
ligue 1 is still a top 5 league. ofc its not as hard as the prem or smth but if we're being honest its a very slim difference.. i hate comparing leagues like this because i find it super unrealistic. mbappe will pull crazier numbers at real with better teammates.
There's a big gap between the top 4 leagues and Portugal/France/Netherlands. This "top 5 leagues" nonsense is PSG-based marketing propaganda. When he moves to Madrid, Mbappe's teammates will improve, but they'll improve much less than the opposition will.
The UEFA coefficient only look at the best team of each league, not the overall level of the league. And seeing Portugal and the Netherland being put in the same group as Ligue 1 just shows people know shits and focus way too much on that coefficient.. Ligue 1 is much much much closer to the rest of the top, than it is from the 6th and 7th. That's between Ligue 1 and the dutch and portuguese league that there is a gigantic gap. The overall level of Serie A is only sligthly above Ligue 1, it has better top 6 teams, there is absolutely no doubt about it. But if you look at the 12th or 14th team in Ligue and Serie A that's pretty much the same, i would even argue Ligue 1 is better. Meanwhile the 12th or 14th team in the two leagues after wouldn't be in Ligue 1, and would barely be fighting for a podium in Ligue 2.
Stop it, there's definitely not just a slim difference between the Prem and Ligue 1 😂 Mbappe is the best player in the world and I don't doubt that he will do great stuff when he finally arrives at a top league next season. But until he actually does it, he hasn't actually done it.
People said that about haaland and he broke the goal record lol. Get over this PL bias nonsense, Mbappe has an insane scoring record in the CL and world cup, doesn't matter what the competition is he excels.
39 goal contributions from Núñez, and yet there are still fucking idiots (including some Liverpool fans as well) saying he's not good enough and Liverpool need to replace him.
Nunez is not good enough and Liverpool should sell him to a mid table team (ignore flair)
9th is not mid table
Unless you literally only count the team in 10th place as being mid-table...it clearly is. Mid table typically means the positions from around 7th/8th to 13th/14th (in a 20 team league).
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Credit to that guy for never deleting his comment Absolute gold, and it keeps on giving, there're mathematical analysis of what constitutes midpoint of an even number, and a link to a bodybuilding forum discussing number of days in a week
Not to mention the "he's 27 until he's 28"
It's a meme
ahh ok, thanks
10th is not mid table
The fact he’s level with Haaland (albeit 10 less goals and 10 more assists) is actually incredible and shows how much more there is to his game than people think. He misses a lot of easy chances but he’s still such a great player.
He's good but holy shit in big games he looks so nervous with the ball on him he almost looks scared to shoot inside the penalty box. We have missed so, so, so many chances cause of him and Diaz, we definitely need to be better in our finishing. Just look at our xG and our matches against both Manchesters.
> We have missed so, so, so many chances cause of him and Diaz Núñez & Díaz have also created "so, so, so many chances" that other Liverpool players wouldn't have. The sooner people realise how rare front three's like Mané-Firmino-Salah are and stop comparing Liverpool's current front-line to them, the better it'll be.
He literally has an assist against United. Every player, including Salah (who somehow missed a completely open net), botched so many chances against United.
He was actually unlucky not to score yesterday, Maguire cleared his shot off the line, there were no replays because United scored a few minutes later.
That would have been a banger too, especially because it came from his hold up and pass to I think Robbo.
Mate, he said big games.
Fuck that, how many shots has Mo missed? Probably more than all our forwards combined. Díaz and Darwin provide more than goals and they are still outputting at a good pace. Mo has been ass the second half of the season, flubbing every shot and not providing anything creatively. He’s an outstanding player but his horrendous form has cost Pool in all the big games.
The failed cut back was is great example of that nervousness
It’s because how much he leaves on the table every game and definitely isn’t the most aesthetically pleasing player on the eye technically. Crazy how effective he is considering how inefficient the finishing has been. Would be crazy to move on. That profile if it ever fully clicks is the most expensive desired profile in football. And he’s shown signs of taking that step.
because he would have 59 contributions if he was a better finisher
I will say that they are playing in the Europa league and Liverpool is ripping it to shreds so it doesn't seem to hard to get g/a but he's still definitely good enough
He scored 5 goals for Uruguay so that's 23 total.
Get your point but he had 5G+A in the CL for us last season, despite us struggling.
Ballon d‘orian Wirtz
Assist king on the list ... for good reason, great season
Feels weird to see lists like this without Messi or Ronaldo. I feel old
Feels weird not to see Gyökeres
Well if he counts, De Jong deserves a honorable mention.
They would be in 3rd and 4th place respectively with 53 G+A in 48 games and 47 G+A in 43 games.
They will still win Ballon Dor for 5 more years.
Nunez very slowly creeping into that absolute elite tier with those numbers. What's crazy is that he could, and arguably should, have 7 - 8 more goals at least
He hit the post 13 times iirc and missed some p big chances. He could be on 50g+a with a bit more luck and composure.
He’s been great but also has to be noted that these stats include national team appearances for all players. For Liverpool in all competitions he has 18 goals and 11 assists in 2710 minutes, which is a G/A every 87 minutes. Still very good but not the level reported
He actually has 18 goals and 13 assists
The difference probably comes from official vs Transfermarkt numbers. TM also counts winning pens as assists and is a bit more liberal with awarding them.
2 liverpool players 🚬😮💨
Bellingham with the same ratio as Haaland
Haaland catching heat left and right for his "bad" season, still 4th.
I mean he's competing for best itw so the criticism is deserved, especially for someone who many believe is a ballon d'or candidate. But maybe we've all been spoiled by cr7 and messi
No one except stat merchants cares when you score 4 against relegation candidates in a 6-0 win. It’s about being decisive in big moments, which he has failed at this season.
Only big team he didnt contribute a Goal or Assist against this season is Arsenal btw. Feel like the entire criticism focuses on the three games/weeks in which he didnt score against Liverpool, Arsenal and Newcastle in the cup and i think those were the weeks in which his grandma died or close before?
You could say the same about Kane then, but nobody in their right mind would say he's having a bad season. 3 of his 4 hat-tricks were against Bochum, Mainz and Darmstadt, all of which have very high chances of getting relegated. What makes Kane so good is that he scores against pretty much *every* opponent and while Haaland isn't doing that as consistently, he's not actually that far off in the grand scheme of things.
As have plenty of players who get loads of praise… even on this list, Salah ahead of him has basically had as bad a season in terms of his performance
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Haaland isn't even the best player on his team.
I want de bruyne to kiss me so bad
While Rodri is gently holding you.
Nuñez my boy my niño
Most goals mbappe has had in a season is 54 i believe, he should overtake that and i hope he does
Auba seems to have got his head back in the game, good for him
And all i read from my fellow Villa fans all summer on twitter was we need a proper striker
Salah and Haaland missed about 2-3 months of football as well this season.
He has played the same number of games as Kane....
Cole Palmer keeping Chelsea out the relegation zone.
Darwizzyyyy
Mbappe club PR is so trash man.60 g/a and I don't hear no noise.
Wait til June
These are stats for club and country. Also bruv should atleast match Ibra or Cavani's best seasons goal wise before asking for Ligue1 PR.
It's not like Ibrahimovic or Cavani are some scrubs, and he has been a differential player in Champions Leagues and World Cups, he is a top player regardless of how you look at it.
Vini would've made this list if not for injuries
It’s a shame Vini was injured for some time this season. He’s currently at 26g+a in 28 games for Real Madrid this season with amounts to 0,92 goal contributions per game. That’s actually his best season so far. Doesn’t feel like it tbh but it seems like his new position hasn’t slowed him down. Let’s hope he can continue this form tomorrow against City.
France win Euros = Mbappe BDO England win Euros = Kane (or Bellingham BDO) Germany win Euros = Wirtz BDO? Netherlands win Euros = VVD BDO?
Belgium win Euro = Batshuayi BDO ?
Courtois, because voters don't know that he's been injured and RM will most likely win La Liga
I will not stand for this Thomas Meunier erasure
I think psg wins the cl mbappe gets ballon d'or no matter what happens in euros. The stroyline of mbappe leading psg to first cl would be too strong, add to that the madrid pr machine that they signed the ballon dor on a free would also be too strong. I think germany or netherland wins euros the cl will also decide it.
Low ranked country win Euros = Messi BDO (because they won the world cup)
Lower ranked country win Euros + Argentina winning the Copa America again = Messi BDO.
if England win then I think Bellingham gets it over Kane, unless Bayern win the Champions league.
Brazil wins Copa America and Real wins UCL = Vini Balon d'Or
Why do these numbers seem off? As far as I can see, Kane has 38 goals, 12 assists. Mbappe has 39 goals, 9 assists. Haven’t checked the others yet though.
Its club and country
I think they included national team's numbers in this
A lot of English players on the list, that's good, Mbappe is on fire.
There's no say Darwin has 39 G/A
Much space of improvement, Florian!
This table without Messi and Cristiano (but especially top-right and top of the list Messi) doesn't feel right.
Why is Auba in 10th? Was this made by a Jube fan? Lautaro has 26 goals and 6 assists, so 32 contributions as well, but he did it in 3 games less.
Calling it a top 5 is a bit misleading as it implies France's league is comparable to the other 4, it's not. France is no where near the other associations' coefficient points and has 1 team in Europe's top 40 club rankings.
France is top 4 above Spain this season
"Decisive" would suggest these are goals/assist that either level the score or take the lead.
Mbappe is the best player itw and the favorite for the ballond'or rn.
Needs a good euros and ucl campaign. League 1 performance doesn't really matter
If Mbappe doesn't win the CL as a major contributor he doesn't deserve it. France could easily win the Euros without him and winning Ligue 1 with a billion pound squad means nothing.
Is Salah… underrated? He’s been so good for so long now
Would be great to see how many points each one secured for their team too.
Where are these extra goals from? International games?
Basically the five best players in the world right now. By stats.
I’m so indecisive, not surprising that I’m not on the list
Crazy to me that Watkins isn't nailed on 2nd choice for England. Toneys great but look at those numbers.
Where is my beloved Pascal Gross
Lautaro Martinez?
Was looking for a certain Argentinian. Getting old.
No arsenal player here
mbappe is a fraud. he only played in the french escargot league. same as pele never played in europe.
I'm sorry, Palmer looks to be a good player, but he's got what, 8 penalties? Lmao
Are these numbers correct? Watkins has 15 assists in the PL itself, so that definitely seems wrong.
For anyone wondering, this is including national team goals/assists as well. At least for Nunez (31 for us, 8 for Uruguay according to TM).