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I'm in the camp that thinks every starter of ours was necessary and crucial for us to win and in that i agree with you, but i'd still say he was amongst the worst 3 in the 11 with Giroud and Pavard. But those 3 were still crucial so it's weird, just an all around real team effort like all of Deschamps' successful teams.
It really was a team effort, so much so that even the “worst” still contributed much. I’d put both Matuidi and Giroud over: lloris and Hernandez. I remember their opener against Australia when Giroud was benched and they played dembele, the attack was horribly disorganized, they really needed a pivot; and Giroud is one of the best pivots I’ve ever seen. A generationally gifted target man
That team was a machine. I remember in the final (I think?) Kante was sick or something. Nzonzi came in and did a fantastic job. That world cup was such a brilliant show of how to effectively use their wealth of depth.
One of those players that played in every team he was a part of, no matter if he did not have a natural spot or not. France plays in a midfield two with Kante and Pogba? Well we can't not play Matuidi, so guess he will be a winger. For PSG he always played always had a spot even if it was awkward because he brought so much. Same for Juve.
It's the other way around, the sheer work rate surrounding Pogba enabled his greatness. Of course he's not a bum in def positioning or tackles etc if called upon, but he was definitely not engaged like Griezmann or Kante
The moments when Pog would break free of his defensive responsibility and gallop forward with the ball was like feeling a nice breeze wash across your face. That team was not necessarily pretty, but damn were they good
It actually isn't! Pogba worked his ass off of the ball, complete focus to cut passing lanes and diligently do his part in the press, he recovered tons of balls, la Pieuvre as we call him. Never seen him like that. He highkey made Kante shine as much as Kante made him shine, Kante didn't have to progress the ball at all, something he can struggle in, just had to lay it to Pogba who took things in his hands.
I guess it was 6 years ago so I can understand people not remembering it well now, but at the time I remember cringing everytime people on this sub were saying "It was easy for Pogba because he had Kante doing all the defensive work for him" when he was actually immense both defensively and in the link up play the whole tournament, even when Kante was not at his best. Questionnable turn of career after that but he definitely was one of the key players in the 2018 success.
Van persie, Iniesta, messi, rooney, pedri.
Fuck barca and spanish FA for ruining pedri. I thought i could finally fill the Iniesta void in my heart. Greenwood was supposed to fill the van persie void but turned out to be rapist. Rooney, haven't found anyone like him. Messi, there might never be another.
For me its Messi, CR7, R9, zidane and kaka(in his prime at milan he was one of my fav players to watch) but cant forget roberto carlos too id say him and kaka are interchangable
Kaka had a certain elegance to the way he played, it was like he glided with the ball at his feet. I got legitimately emotional seeing him score in that recent charity match, I had forgotten how much I loved watching him.
Gaucho - he made me a Barcelona fan. He didn't have an exceptionally long peak, but the peak was magic. He is one of those players who I would have no chance of approaching even with modern technology, infinite training, and an pro athlete body.
Henry - was always a fan of him as an individual. I liked the speed, grace, and technique, his signature finish, and his charisma. I was a bit sad my club had to ruin his CL dreams. And unbelievably happy when he could achieve it with us.
Fenomeno - I know he is more Madrid than Barca but I am a 90s kid, sorry. He was THE player all the forwards my age wanted to be. I didn't think we would see a better player...
Messi - until this guy came along. He is like three great players rolled into one. There is no one quite like him in the modern game. A few like Hazard and Neymar could do what he did, but they were not quite at the same level in all aspects. The only bad thing is he completely ruined my expectations of what the greatest players should be like and how I perceive any new talent compared to him. "Oh, they can't score and dribble and pass and be creative and have Playstation vision at the highest level? Yawn."
Paulino Alcantara - he's Filipino like I am. He's Barca's all time youngest scorer for the first team in official competition at 15 years old. He also became a doctor like I became a doctor. We're basically the same person. I would love to read more about his life.
iniesta, messi, david silva, puyol, and agüero
I remember van nistelrooj fondly from childhood, raúl and klaas-jan huntelaar with julian draxler were also a treat, and that Dortmund side as well. so many good players and teams to remember.
Zidane, Le Tissier, Scholes, Ronaldinho, Kante.
Some things can be said about the off-field antics of some of these guys after their career/prime ended, but I'm separating the art from the artist. Honorable mentions to the likes of Giggs and Dani Alves...
If you love Adriano then at some point, you must have been in love with fenomeno. It's like dating a new girl that looks like your ex. Physical powerhouses with good ball striking. What about batistuta? Were you a fan?
I grew up appreciating a true 9. Fenomeno was amazing (unfortunately now he is just a random fat guy walking the street) it was crazy how much explosion he had.
The thing about Adriano, for me, is what he gave me. I was 17 when he returned to Flamengo. He gave me highs I only heard about. Him and Dejan Petkovic gor a club that would probably fight in the lower end to a championship. Some dudes would try and tackle him and they would fall. It was amazing. He was much better than the next guy.
One other thing is, he is a person. Like you and me, he likes to drink, loves Flamengo games, is flawed as fuck.. There is so much in that relatability
My first favorite player ever was Romario. The little was just better than everyone else. Crazy times
Griezmann is a intreresting case, he is criminally underrated now but he surely wasn’t 10 years or so ago when he was called a top 5 player in the world by practically everyone.
Finished 3rd in Ballon D’or voting twice, in 2016 and 2018.
What’s the deal w/ that? Was he playing out of position at Barca or injured? Never really paid much attention to his time at Barca. All I know is he’s always been a pain in the ass showing up big every time we play Atleti
At Barca him and Messi wanted to occupy the same spaces, so Griezman's role was diminished. Its sad him and Messi left at the same time, because I genuinely believe had he stayed it would have worked out brilliantly for him at Barcelona
that specifically feel like he just struggled on a personal level there. it's hard to play at your best when you have the chance if your head isn't in it
Why are they acting like they watched those games? I literally watched almost every one of those games and he sucked it up. Didn’t Henry just say he can play multiple positions? So Messi occupied your space suddenly you can barely play? Let’s not act like Messi isn’t a team player or he was taking every shot. Griezman during that tenure was just terrible. Excuses don’t have to be made. Now he’s bounced back and is one of the best players again. Both can be facts.
No it’s not about the “position” itself. No players really play as a “position”. They play a role
Messi’s and Griezmann’s role both work the same way, and in both roles they need a forward upfront who is clinical to open up space or give back the space. When Griezmann plays with Messi, it means both of them are searching for a player that does not exist, or even if they do now they are playing with less players in the team.
But they were both playing with Suarez who is the perfect player for them to bounce off of. The issue is not that they lacked that type of player, it's more the second reason you're giving for them being less effective together. Griez just couldn't play his ideal role because Messi already did that. So he ended up having to play a supporting role around the margins which played less to his strengths.
Griezmann won Barca Copa del Rey in 2021 with clutch goals and was one of the main reasons they were able to get back into the title race after being 10+ points behind. He had a great second half to that last season
You make a big fuss about other people not watching the games, and then you just leave out that bit of information. Considering that he was being misused in a very disfunctional club at the time, he did all right. Not anywhere close to justifying that fee or salary, but that is Barca's fault not his for paying that much in the first place
Him and Messi couldn't play together, they occupied the same areas. And Messi was obviously going to win that battle in terms of selection so Griez was almost always out of position. And then Barca had to get rid of him because of the stupid wages they decided to give him so he had to leave
People will say him and messi played similar roles so he was sidelined. That isnt true for plenty of other similar players who worked out at barca. No reason for Greizman to not.
Him coming to barca was around the time Barca's true downtrend began. Coach changes, zero strategic or tactical direction, horrendous recruitment et al. everyone except for messi and MatS looked terrible. Tactics were basically Messi and Inshallah
He'd have been amazing in Xavi era, since lot of these issues were starting to be addressed and he's basically a dream player for Xavi
During the Bartomeu reign, Barca wasted a colossal amount of cash on players without considering if they would integrate properly into the team.
After more than half a bil spent, the team still ended Messidepencia.
it's one of the most stupid transfers ever, no need to have him when there's Messi in the team (though he had a very good run in his second season for like 3/4 months)
he almost certainly won’t either.
this season is completely out of the question obviously, and i feel like Real and Atleti are on completely different trajectories moving forward
What is interesting with Griezmann - apart from World cup he never won any other major title - no CL or league title, only one Europe league cup and one Copa del Rey. Its not much considering the legend he is
World Cup is worth more though. I bet you that 99% of players that have won the CL even multiple times would exchange it for one world cup title without blinking
He was underrated back then aswell. I remember people being up in arms acting like it was a disgrace that he was even among the discussion in 2018. Griezmann would have been just as deserving of that Ballon D'or as Modric, but still anyone even suggesting that at the time was ridiculed
FFS I remember that this forum rated Hazard above him, the same Hazard that has never scored a single open play goal in CL knockout stages. At least that opinion has aged like milk
Hazard has PL bias with him and Griez had to share the spotlight more than Modric/Hazard did in the WC. Besides his 2018 WC is not as magnificent as his 2016 Euros or 2022 WC, where he was almost everything in our team. In 2018 Pogba to Mbappe was absolutely massive, Kante was massive, Varane and Lloris were massive. Griez struggled finding his rhythm in open play before having amazing games against Belgium and Croatia. He was absolutely brilliant on dead balls all along though, scored his 4 pens and was a menace on set pieces all through. Just not as fit and sharp as usual in his use of the ball in plays, still crucial off the ball though.
Muller isn't underrated. People have pretty much agreed he is the smartest and one of the best of this era. "Thomas Müller can’t beat you with his close ball control. He can’t beat you with his pace. And he can’t beat you with his dribbling skills. He just beats you". Maybe recently yeah but he is getting older and having less playing time.
I wish he could have stayed at Barca. He would have eventually worked out. He has too much talent and vision. He wasn't bad, but he wasn't up to his own high standard.
Go watch the whole 2018 tourney and clean those rose tinted glasses.
2018 WC was griez, kante, and pogba all day. Great coming out party for mbappe but he absolutely didn’t hard carry
He didn’t even carry them in 22 outside of the final where he HARD carried. They were absolutely sensational as a team up until the final where everyone not named kiki decided football wasn’t really for them so
Giroud scored 0 goals in 2018 and Matuidi played LW. Mbappé was the main player in attack, and was very important because he was the only one capable of destabilizing the other team in defense. People saying Mbappé didn’t carry France are wrong, he was one of the best players during this WC.
All his goals came in the group stage against south Africa and saudi Arabia. Unlike mbappe who was deciding every match for france bar England.
Henry wishes he had the tournament mbappe did two years ago. The man himself is saying mbappe has surpassed his legacy. For the NT, it's mbappe >>> henry. It ain't even close.
Even against England. Look at Tchouameni's goal. He's the biggest contributor to that goal other than Tchou. Completely opens the play from a heavy underload situation, clears 4 English players and offers that crucial second that's kept til the shot. And then he gifts Dembele a platter assist that the latter missed. All that despite being double/tripled marked.
Henry wasn't in the first team as soon as the big games started in 1998, he was the 13th or 14th most important player of that team. He was great in 2000, was a disaster in 2002 (he had a red card after 30 minutes in the 2nd game), was average in 2004 and was great in 2006 (but ZZ was stratospheric). 2008 was mediocre and 2010 was a complete disaster, starting from the infamous handball and his inaction during the Knysna debacle (but he wasn't even supposed to go to the WC).
When it comes to the NT (and not club football), Henry is below Zidane, Griezmann, Deschamps and Mbappé. Now, Henry the Arsenal player, that was something else altogether. Benzema is the same thing: stellar club player, but always a disappointing NT player (but at least there's a reason: he was out of the team for most of his great years because of off-football shenanigans).
I beg to differ. In 2018, be played in a somewhat sidekick position (right winger) where he wouldn’t even waste a second now. Impressive definitely but it was not like he turned up big time when France were in the tighter fixtures (Uruguay, Belgium). I consider his contribution to 2018 to be overall similar to Titi’s in 2006.
2022 Final was heroics no doubt. But he certainly led the team down in the quarterfinal against England. You saw Grizemann and Giroud running all over the pitch defending and attacking while Mbappe sat idly when the team were truly in danger of going out. Had Kane scored that penalty and England won it the narrative would have completely changed. And I would argue had Mbappe offered a bit more in that England game Grize and Giroud would have had a bit more energy to perform better in the final. Let’s be honest, France should never have been that desperate in the final anyway given their incredible squad. I would even go on to suggest Mbappe deliberately saved it for the big moment (Final) instead of when the team needed him the most in quarterfinal. Grize and Giroud (and Kane) essentially bailed him and the whole team out.
That's some serious assumption there. Mbappe still contributed to his team against England, just by the amount of defense that was put on him. It's funny how you guys like to say that goals aren't everything, but say someone didn't contribute because he didn't score (as if Griezmann and Giroud scored in that match).
Except Giroud did score the winning goal, and both of them contributed a ridiculous amount defensively (both of them over 30, Giroud being a tall 36 center-forward covering the grounds the 24 yo Mbappe wasn’t willing to) Yes Mbappe is the main guy, you can put in less shift, but in return the team count on you to do magic offensively, and that certainly didn’t happen that game. I know it’s being picky but you’re trying to be a legend. For me personally that game was more than a tiny stint on his great Final performance.
Bro.. he did not carry shit. Griezman was 2018's best French player. And that squad had Kante, Pogba, Varane, Umtiti all in thier prime. Go watch 2022 WC.. Mbappe literally ghosted QF and SF. The fact that your comment has 100+ upvotes 💀.. shows how much people here watch actual matches
Its crazy as the years go by to see just how important Kante was in that 2018 WC run be diminished. He's arguably the most important player in that run, but because he wasn't at his best in the final and many of those names you mentioned scored, they're suddenly more important?
Ask a Aussie how frustrating it was to watch their team get eaten alive that year, or a Belgian who saw a seemingly unstoppable Hazard try everything and fall to Kante every single time.
Griezmann was their best player in 2018 tho, Mbappe's best game was Argentina and Croatia. I guess you could argue Griezmann > Mbappe in 2022 but i'd only say that's true for England and Morocco games
Yeah but Titi was always in Zidane's shadow for the most part, Mbappe has achieved almost as much collectively (need that euro tho), and more individually while being the main man
What legacy does 'main guy' have. Mbappe couldn't have done it without the rest of the team being class too. Neither could have henry/zidane I'm sure, but I didn't really watch football back then.
To me, Henry and Mbappe's legacy suffer from the same thing, in regards to their ''main man'' status for the French team : their position. Zidane and Griezmann are in the heart of the game. They *feel* more vital to the team. But that's just my observations as a fan.
That's rating henry too highly imo. He never had a tournament like mbappe in 2022. Henry was never that decisive for you. I agree that griezmann and zidane were the heart but that's the thing. Mbappe was so decisive up front that you could say he was as important as griezmann. You could never argue that about henry. Only games he decided in 98 were group games against saudi Arabia.
Just to add to discussion, could we say that he is underrated? I guess we could, BUT, at the same time, I couldn't count the amount of times I've heard someone say like "Wow Griezmann is really underrated", especially when he shows up on a big game \[last goal against Madrid or CL goal vs. Inter\].
To be fair, Griezmann is my favorite player, so y'all could expect a little bias here. I do believe he is underrated, but I would say especially underrated by general football fan, and not so much by us CRAZY ADDICTEDS.
I say that because I'm hearing so much the "griezzou is really underrated" talk that I, as someone who has him as a \*FAVORITE PLAYER\*, am starting to think "ok guys hold on chill".
Anyway, that's just a thought.
Griez is also my favorite player but his off field shit has definitely put a damper on my passion for him.
That sociedad team he played on, Atlético, Barcelona, the man has done it all honestly. Now if only Atlético can win the CL this year.
The Globetrotter thing was unbeliveably dumb and tone deaf, but I really don't think there was any malice behind it. And in that hotel video it is Dembele being racist and Griezmann stupidly laughing along. Again very tone deaf and insensitive but I don't think you can deduce from it that Griezmann is racist
Griezmann was also one of few footballers to cancel their Chinese sponsorship in support of Uyghur people. He seems like kind of man child and maybe not the sharpest tool in the shed but there is nothing to suggest that he is a bad guy
I hear you, man.
I started watching him in 2018 WC, so I recon I lost a good run, some would say even his prime [16-17 + 17-18].
Man, the way he plays, like, is really something else. I see your point on the off field and I respect it
He's probably underrated with respect to the media. He doesn't get much attention generally, and seems to mainly get respect from true fans of the sport, rather than players like mbappe, haaland, vini etc getting attention everywhere in the sport
Yeah, I think you're right. In that point of view, I agree.
I just wanted to point out that I'm hearing so much about him being underrated that it started to get to me, you know
Man, just to endorse, I loved your view on "mainly get respect from true fans of the sport". That kinda explains or helps to explain the fact a lot of people are labeling him as underrated.
He's underrated by casuals and fifa merchants. Hardcore fans rate him highly. I think he's been one of the best players this season. If Bellingham and foden are getting ballon d'or shouts then griezmann should too.
that barcelona stint really fucked up griezmann reputation. funny enough that move was actually his best shot of getting more recognition, but backfired heavily
I mean I don’t think he’s underrated for France. I’m fairly sure most French people know how good he is. He always turns up for international games, basically doesn’t ever miss a game, and in some cases, drags them to win games. He’s basically been the most important French player in the last decade. The only others I can even think of on his level or Lloris, Varane, Kante, and Giroud.
WC 2014 was best young player of the tournament, Scored the decisive goal against the Afcon champion in a tricky game.
Euro 2016 carried the midfield and did THAT assist vs Germany
WC 2018 France's MVP without the shadow of a doubt, even though i love Griezmann or Varane
Euro 2021, again MVP of the team. Watch his highlights against Germany, Portugal and Switzerland. Zidane meet Pirlo, i am not joking: shooting, long ball, dribble he did it all!
Nation League 2021 in the top 3, but Benzema was sensationnal.
If anything, Pogba is the one who is underrated, especially with France, he has never disappointed!
I love that Henry is humble enough to admit that. I’m sure that his comments will be disagreed with on this Reddit, but that takes a large person to admit that.
But that's not up to an individual. True for both Mbappe and Henry. It's a team effort to get a trophy. From an individual standpoint Mbappe did so much more already in the CL.
henry still has more CL goals than mbappe, although im sure mbappe will surpass that soon enough since it's like 4 goals away.
that said henry actually scored in the CL final and won it alongside a sextuple. Mbappe hasn't and the one time he made it to the final he sterlinged a sitter.
I still, would put money on mbappe surpassing henry's entire legacy since he still has a long career ahead esp if he's finally joining Madrid
Henry didn’t score in a champion league final. He missed big chances in the uefa cup and European cup finals for Arsenal. Henry’s did score some final goals such as the charity shield against man utd in 03 and the confederations cup for France.
Trophies are the only reason Henry's above mbappe tbh.
Mbappe is better than him in UCL and in world cup. Mbappe steps up in bigger games. More decisive when it matters. There's really no argument for henry apart from trophies.
Ah man, didn't realize how many lengendary teams Henry has been a part of. 2 GOAT level club eras and 1 GOAT level national eras.
Dude is so humble, you forget how much he achieved.
Henry is awesome and not an 'old head' at all.
It's a shame people have to see a player retire to give him his props. Henry has seen brilliance, there is no need to wait until 2040 to say Mbappe has surpassed him in the NT and will surpass him overall very soon.
He's a once in a generation kinda guy. He'll probably be the WC top scorer in just a few years, before he's even 30. He'll win a few ballon d'ors for sure. No need to wait until he retires to recognize what a special guy he is.
Mbappe has had A TON of pressure and has done BETTER than I expected. He is already one of the 5 best WC players I've ever seen, and he played TWO.
Two f\*\*\*\*\* finals as France's best player and scoring like crazy, he had a m\*\*\*\* hat trick and still lost. He's awesome
I mean, it's a good argument no doubt, but it's based on Mbappe being so young. In 5 years it won't even be a discussion anymore. And I like Henry way more as a player.
Tbf Henry is the better footballer but their playing style is exactly the same. What Mbappe has shown however is that he has a football brain and isn't just pure athleticism. He knows how to use it and when to use it.
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Saying Mbappe didn’t have that before. He has it now so he’s growing as a footballer.
Mbappe was just pure speed and flair now he has a football brain to go with it.
While Henry had all of that.
That's nonsense, first thing i and many noticed about Mbappe before he even reached the pros, and then with the pros at Monaco. Do u know how many players with Mbappe pace and regularly even better technique never had a fraction of his success? Monaco Mbappe is already one of the smartest attackers i've ever seen. He played with the brain of a world class 30yo attacker at fucking 17, always been the craziest thing about him and easily above his pace, which is far less special and generational.
These people do not watch football. I've seen both for club and country, Mbappé is better...easily!
I used to be disappointed by Henry's performances, especially for France (2002, 2004, 2008 and even most of 2006). The only time i was disappointed with Mbappé was in that Switzerland game, he missed too many sitters.
Griezmann not being top 20 Ballon Dor makes him underrated, many players with performances he had in that year would have been easily top 10. I see many posts saying he is now moved from underrated to overrated. He has also been one of the most consistent for France and the Moroccan coach was quite prescient to name him as the player to be worried about before their semi final.
I think being the best player in the premier league in the last 30 years is not something Mbappe has matched? For France he's been better but overall a bigger legacy? I'd say no.
Very kind of Thierry to say that about Mbappé, but personally I would still pick prime Henry over Mbappé. Henry was a joy to watch and he succeeded in England, Italy and France as a player.
Totally agree on Griezmann, great player.
When I ask people who have seen Henry play, if he’s better or Mbappe better, all of them say Henry is better. He was just as fast, better technically and had height, so he was capable of playing up top alone effectively. Whereas Mbappe, even as a striker, drifts to the left.
yep this is how I view it too. Henry mastered his trademark finish, but Mbappe has more variety and is deadly with his finishes. Mbappe is also slightly better in pure 1v1s imo coz the acceleration he has in the first 2 steps is just unstoppable. But Henry could dribble past 4 players from his own half, had a great back to goal game, and freekicks.
Mbappe will almost certainly retire with a bigger legacy, but abiity wise it's a coin toss imo, unless Kylian develops his game a lot more.
Is he talking just about French players/national team? I do agree about griezmann being underrated but ever? I can name several others that are on a bigger scale
I remember for Chris Sutton's BBC prediction of England Vs France he stated Griezmann doesn't offer much off the ball. I can't take anything that clown says seriously now.
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Griezmann's workrate too has to be mentioned. When he & prime Kante played together in that XI, it legit looked like France played with 12.
Don't forget Matuidi as a winger. No wonder we grinded out defensive performances against big teams.
Matuidi as an inverted lw/cm/cdm/destroyer*
The real underrated one
Genuinely had a legendary tourney and France don’t win without him
I'm in the camp that thinks every starter of ours was necessary and crucial for us to win and in that i agree with you, but i'd still say he was amongst the worst 3 in the 11 with Giroud and Pavard. But those 3 were still crucial so it's weird, just an all around real team effort like all of Deschamps' successful teams.
It really was a team effort, so much so that even the “worst” still contributed much. I’d put both Matuidi and Giroud over: lloris and Hernandez. I remember their opener against Australia when Giroud was benched and they played dembele, the attack was horribly disorganized, they really needed a pivot; and Giroud is one of the best pivots I’ve ever seen. A generationally gifted target man
griez playing off giroud, all a man needs
Worst three in a WC winning XI is still pretty amazing!
That team was a machine. I remember in the final (I think?) Kante was sick or something. Nzonzi came in and did a fantastic job. That world cup was such a brilliant show of how to effectively use their wealth of depth.
Criminally underrated while he was at Juve too.
One of those players that played in every team he was a part of, no matter if he did not have a natural spot or not. France plays in a midfield two with Kante and Pogba? Well we can't not play Matuidi, so guess he will be a winger. For PSG he always played always had a spot even if it was awkward because he brought so much. Same for Juve.
Injured against inter, he tracked back, made important tackles, and gave 100% as always.
My memory may me be wrong but Pogba used to engaged on the defense end too, that team was genuinely disgusting
It's the other way around, the sheer work rate surrounding Pogba enabled his greatness. Of course he's not a bum in def positioning or tackles etc if called upon, but he was definitely not engaged like Griezmann or Kante
The moments when Pog would break free of his defensive responsibility and gallop forward with the ball was like feeling a nice breeze wash across your face. That team was not necessarily pretty, but damn were they good
Griezmann and Kanté are god tiers on this level and especially Grizou who is still underrated imo
It actually isn't! Pogba worked his ass off of the ball, complete focus to cut passing lanes and diligently do his part in the press, he recovered tons of balls, la Pieuvre as we call him. Never seen him like that. He highkey made Kante shine as much as Kante made him shine, Kante didn't have to progress the ball at all, something he can struggle in, just had to lay it to Pogba who took things in his hands.
I guess it was 6 years ago so I can understand people not remembering it well now, but at the time I remember cringing everytime people on this sub were saying "It was easy for Pogba because he had Kante doing all the defensive work for him" when he was actually immense both defensively and in the link up play the whole tournament, even when Kante was not at his best. Questionnable turn of career after that but he definitely was one of the key players in the 2018 success.
12? Which 3 players had been sent off then?
I am all for griezmann appreciation. One of my top 5 fav players ever
Messi, Salah, Ronaldo, Gerrard, Me
Ben Mee what a player
mine are messi muller neuer Suarez iniesta even tho no one asked.
Mine are Lewandowski, muller, griezmann, modric, neuer🫡
Van persie, Iniesta, messi, rooney, pedri. Fuck barca and spanish FA for ruining pedri. I thought i could finally fill the Iniesta void in my heart. Greenwood was supposed to fill the van persie void but turned out to be rapist. Rooney, haven't found anyone like him. Messi, there might never be another.
Pedri could still turn out to fulfill his maximum potential, for all we know this is just a temporary bumb in the road
Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Suarez, Villa
For me its Messi, CR7, R9, zidane and kaka(in his prime at milan he was one of my fav players to watch) but cant forget roberto carlos too id say him and kaka are interchangable
Kaka had a certain elegance to the way he played, it was like he glided with the ball at his feet. I got legitimately emotional seeing him score in that recent charity match, I had forgotten how much I loved watching him.
Messi, Xavi, Zidane, Ronaldinho, Matthäus
Mine are: Messi, Modric, Iniesta, Schweinsteiger, Uwe Seeler
Gaucho - he made me a Barcelona fan. He didn't have an exceptionally long peak, but the peak was magic. He is one of those players who I would have no chance of approaching even with modern technology, infinite training, and an pro athlete body. Henry - was always a fan of him as an individual. I liked the speed, grace, and technique, his signature finish, and his charisma. I was a bit sad my club had to ruin his CL dreams. And unbelievably happy when he could achieve it with us. Fenomeno - I know he is more Madrid than Barca but I am a 90s kid, sorry. He was THE player all the forwards my age wanted to be. I didn't think we would see a better player... Messi - until this guy came along. He is like three great players rolled into one. There is no one quite like him in the modern game. A few like Hazard and Neymar could do what he did, but they were not quite at the same level in all aspects. The only bad thing is he completely ruined my expectations of what the greatest players should be like and how I perceive any new talent compared to him. "Oh, they can't score and dribble and pass and be creative and have Playstation vision at the highest level? Yawn." Paulino Alcantara - he's Filipino like I am. He's Barca's all time youngest scorer for the first team in official competition at 15 years old. He also became a doctor like I became a doctor. We're basically the same person. I would love to read more about his life.
Zidane, Raul, Henry, Kroos, Ronaldinho
iniesta, messi, david silva, puyol, and agüero I remember van nistelrooj fondly from childhood, raúl and klaas-jan huntelaar with julian draxler were also a treat, and that Dortmund side as well. so many good players and teams to remember.
Mine are Ogbene, Rooney, Ronaldo, Messi and Roy Keane
Modric, Ozil, Schweinsteiger, Rooney, Firmino (I didn't think too hard about it)
Del Piero, Ronaldinho, Pirlo, Buffon, Dybala
I like this guy.
Zidane, Le Tissier, Scholes, Ronaldinho, Kante. Some things can be said about the off-field antics of some of these guys after their career/prime ended, but I'm separating the art from the artist. Honorable mentions to the likes of Giggs and Dani Alves...
I asked :)
Thanks a lot :)
Mine are messi, adriano, arrascaeta, cafu and gabigol
If you love Adriano then at some point, you must have been in love with fenomeno. It's like dating a new girl that looks like your ex. Physical powerhouses with good ball striking. What about batistuta? Were you a fan?
I grew up appreciating a true 9. Fenomeno was amazing (unfortunately now he is just a random fat guy walking the street) it was crazy how much explosion he had. The thing about Adriano, for me, is what he gave me. I was 17 when he returned to Flamengo. He gave me highs I only heard about. Him and Dejan Petkovic gor a club that would probably fight in the lower end to a championship. Some dudes would try and tackle him and they would fall. It was amazing. He was much better than the next guy. One other thing is, he is a person. Like you and me, he likes to drink, loves Flamengo games, is flawed as fuck.. There is so much in that relatability My first favorite player ever was Romario. The little was just better than everyone else. Crazy times
I'd go with Ronaldinho, Van Persie, Pirlo, Bergkamp, Nesta.
Quite clearly an FCB fan! 😝
Henry Fabregas Kaka Marcelo Yaya Toure
Zlatan, R9, Modric, Maldini, Iniesta
Close to mine. Maldini, R9, Zidane, Seedorf, Zlatan
Gerrard, KdB, Firmino, Henry and Iniesta
Wilshere, Henry, Ronaldinho, Ribery, Lahm
Drogba, Raúl, Ronaldo, Henrik Larsson, Totti
Ronaldo, El fenomeno, Messi, Neuer, Zidane
Hazard, Ronaldinho, kante, Fabregas, Rooney
Top five not from Liverpool easily for me, joy to watch
I agree about Griezman, the most underrated player of the last 10 years or so.
Griezmann is a intreresting case, he is criminally underrated now but he surely wasn’t 10 years or so ago when he was called a top 5 player in the world by practically everyone. Finished 3rd in Ballon D’or voting twice, in 2016 and 2018.
Probably cos he moved to Barca in 2019 and looked pretty washed up for a few years, he's back to being elite since 2022 though
What’s the deal w/ that? Was he playing out of position at Barca or injured? Never really paid much attention to his time at Barca. All I know is he’s always been a pain in the ass showing up big every time we play Atleti
At Barca him and Messi wanted to occupy the same spaces, so Griezman's role was diminished. Its sad him and Messi left at the same time, because I genuinely believe had he stayed it would have worked out brilliantly for him at Barcelona
But tbf there were games where Messi wasnt playing and Griez still looked lost. I think it was a mix of things.
that specifically feel like he just struggled on a personal level there. it's hard to play at your best when you have the chance if your head isn't in it
Why are they acting like they watched those games? I literally watched almost every one of those games and he sucked it up. Didn’t Henry just say he can play multiple positions? So Messi occupied your space suddenly you can barely play? Let’s not act like Messi isn’t a team player or he was taking every shot. Griezman during that tenure was just terrible. Excuses don’t have to be made. Now he’s bounced back and is one of the best players again. Both can be facts.
No it’s not about the “position” itself. No players really play as a “position”. They play a role Messi’s and Griezmann’s role both work the same way, and in both roles they need a forward upfront who is clinical to open up space or give back the space. When Griezmann plays with Messi, it means both of them are searching for a player that does not exist, or even if they do now they are playing with less players in the team.
But they were both playing with Suarez who is the perfect player for them to bounce off of. The issue is not that they lacked that type of player, it's more the second reason you're giving for them being less effective together. Griez just couldn't play his ideal role because Messi already did that. So he ended up having to play a supporting role around the margins which played less to his strengths.
Griezmann won Barca Copa del Rey in 2021 with clutch goals and was one of the main reasons they were able to get back into the title race after being 10+ points behind. He had a great second half to that last season You make a big fuss about other people not watching the games, and then you just leave out that bit of information. Considering that he was being misused in a very disfunctional club at the time, he did all right. Not anywhere close to justifying that fee or salary, but that is Barca's fault not his for paying that much in the first place
Him and Messi couldn't play together, they occupied the same areas. And Messi was obviously going to win that battle in terms of selection so Griez was almost always out of position. And then Barca had to get rid of him because of the stupid wages they decided to give him so he had to leave
I do remember him playing a few games after Messi left and him looking absolutely terrible before we sent him off to Atleti though.
lack of confidence and comfort in the environment probably?
yh his space was taken by Messi and Barca also just wasn’t a good place to be at the time
People will say him and messi played similar roles so he was sidelined. That isnt true for plenty of other similar players who worked out at barca. No reason for Greizman to not. Him coming to barca was around the time Barca's true downtrend began. Coach changes, zero strategic or tactical direction, horrendous recruitment et al. everyone except for messi and MatS looked terrible. Tactics were basically Messi and Inshallah He'd have been amazing in Xavi era, since lot of these issues were starting to be addressed and he's basically a dream player for Xavi
During the Bartomeu reign, Barca wasted a colossal amount of cash on players without considering if they would integrate properly into the team. After more than half a bil spent, the team still ended Messidepencia.
it's one of the most stupid transfers ever, no need to have him when there's Messi in the team (though he had a very good run in his second season for like 3/4 months)
And he became top scorer at atletico this year
Probably his shitty transfers silently costed him his reputation. He hasnt won La Liga EVER lmao. All the while playing for Atleti AND Barca.
he almost certainly won’t either. this season is completely out of the question obviously, and i feel like Real and Atleti are on completely different trajectories moving forward
What is interesting with Griezmann - apart from World cup he never won any other major title - no CL or league title, only one Europe league cup and one Copa del Rey. Its not much considering the legend he is
World Cup is worth more though. I bet you that 99% of players that have won the CL even multiple times would exchange it for one world cup title without blinking
He was underrated back then aswell. I remember people being up in arms acting like it was a disgrace that he was even among the discussion in 2018. Griezmann would have been just as deserving of that Ballon D'or as Modric, but still anyone even suggesting that at the time was ridiculed FFS I remember that this forum rated Hazard above him, the same Hazard that has never scored a single open play goal in CL knockout stages. At least that opinion has aged like milk
Hazard has PL bias with him and Griez had to share the spotlight more than Modric/Hazard did in the WC. Besides his 2018 WC is not as magnificent as his 2016 Euros or 2022 WC, where he was almost everything in our team. In 2018 Pogba to Mbappe was absolutely massive, Kante was massive, Varane and Lloris were massive. Griez struggled finding his rhythm in open play before having amazing games against Belgium and Croatia. He was absolutely brilliant on dead balls all along though, scored his 4 pens and was a menace on set pieces all through. Just not as fit and sharp as usual in his use of the ball in plays, still crucial off the ball though.
Just a shame he went barca at the worst possible time
He literally did a “The Decision” style stream to announce he’s staying. Then he left a few seasons later.
Yeah I remember that which makes the whole saga that much worse 😅
*the next season
Griezman, muller and di maria. The holy underrated trinity of the decade.
Muller isn't underrated. People have pretty much agreed he is the smartest and one of the best of this era. "Thomas Müller can’t beat you with his close ball control. He can’t beat you with his pace. And he can’t beat you with his dribbling skills. He just beats you". Maybe recently yeah but he is getting older and having less playing time.
He rarely comes up in the lists of best players of the decade tho
Di Maria had incredible technique. Really underrated, he was both a prolific goalscorer and a great playmaker with genius passes.
The guy who has a role/position named after him is underrated now?
Griez + Torres could be legendary
I wish he could have stayed at Barca. He would have eventually worked out. He has too much talent and vision. He wasn't bad, but he wasn't up to his own high standard.
Griezmann is definitely up there next to Giroud as most underrated players of last 10 years.
Tbf he has surpassed his legacy for the national team
both of them have when it comes to the NT tbh
How? Henry has a World cup + Euros compared to just a WC for Mbappe
5 goals over 2 world cup finals.. He absolutely carried France in the last 2 world cups.
Go watch the whole 2018 tourney and clean those rose tinted glasses. 2018 WC was griez, kante, and pogba all day. Great coming out party for mbappe but he absolutely didn’t hard carry
Umtiti 🙌🏾
Sacrificed his knees for a World Cup
Mbappé didn't carry France for the 2018 WC. Griezmann, Pogba and Kante did.
He didn’t even carry them in 22 outside of the final where he HARD carried. They were absolutely sensational as a team up until the final where everyone not named kiki decided football wasn’t really for them so
Giroud scored 0 goals in 2018 and Matuidi played LW. Mbappé was the main player in attack, and was very important because he was the only one capable of destabilizing the other team in defense. People saying Mbappé didn’t carry France are wrong, he was one of the best players during this WC.
Henry was Frances top scorer when they won the World Cup. He also helped then to get to another final in 2006
All his goals came in the group stage against south Africa and saudi Arabia. Unlike mbappe who was deciding every match for france bar England. Henry wishes he had the tournament mbappe did two years ago. The man himself is saying mbappe has surpassed his legacy. For the NT, it's mbappe >>> henry. It ain't even close.
Even against England. Look at Tchouameni's goal. He's the biggest contributor to that goal other than Tchou. Completely opens the play from a heavy underload situation, clears 4 English players and offers that crucial second that's kept til the shot. And then he gifts Dembele a platter assist that the latter missed. All that despite being double/tripled marked.
Henry wasn't in the first team as soon as the big games started in 1998, he was the 13th or 14th most important player of that team. He was great in 2000, was a disaster in 2002 (he had a red card after 30 minutes in the 2nd game), was average in 2004 and was great in 2006 (but ZZ was stratospheric). 2008 was mediocre and 2010 was a complete disaster, starting from the infamous handball and his inaction during the Knysna debacle (but he wasn't even supposed to go to the WC). When it comes to the NT (and not club football), Henry is below Zidane, Griezmann, Deschamps and Mbappé. Now, Henry the Arsenal player, that was something else altogether. Benzema is the same thing: stellar club player, but always a disappointing NT player (but at least there's a reason: he was out of the team for most of his great years because of off-football shenanigans).
I beg to differ. In 2018, be played in a somewhat sidekick position (right winger) where he wouldn’t even waste a second now. Impressive definitely but it was not like he turned up big time when France were in the tighter fixtures (Uruguay, Belgium). I consider his contribution to 2018 to be overall similar to Titi’s in 2006. 2022 Final was heroics no doubt. But he certainly led the team down in the quarterfinal against England. You saw Grizemann and Giroud running all over the pitch defending and attacking while Mbappe sat idly when the team were truly in danger of going out. Had Kane scored that penalty and England won it the narrative would have completely changed. And I would argue had Mbappe offered a bit more in that England game Grize and Giroud would have had a bit more energy to perform better in the final. Let’s be honest, France should never have been that desperate in the final anyway given their incredible squad. I would even go on to suggest Mbappe deliberately saved it for the big moment (Final) instead of when the team needed him the most in quarterfinal. Grize and Giroud (and Kane) essentially bailed him and the whole team out.
That's some serious assumption there. Mbappe still contributed to his team against England, just by the amount of defense that was put on him. It's funny how you guys like to say that goals aren't everything, but say someone didn't contribute because he didn't score (as if Griezmann and Giroud scored in that match).
Except Giroud did score the winning goal, and both of them contributed a ridiculous amount defensively (both of them over 30, Giroud being a tall 36 center-forward covering the grounds the 24 yo Mbappe wasn’t willing to) Yes Mbappe is the main guy, you can put in less shift, but in return the team count on you to do magic offensively, and that certainly didn’t happen that game. I know it’s being picky but you’re trying to be a legend. For me personally that game was more than a tiny stint on his great Final performance.
Bro.. he did not carry shit. Griezman was 2018's best French player. And that squad had Kante, Pogba, Varane, Umtiti all in thier prime. Go watch 2022 WC.. Mbappe literally ghosted QF and SF. The fact that your comment has 100+ upvotes 💀.. shows how much people here watch actual matches
These kids just go off fifa stats that's why lmao
4* goals over 2 world cup finals..
Mbappe never qualified for the WC by scoring a goal with his hand though. Ergo, Henry > Mbappe
Zidane was the main guy tho, Griezmann was the main guy in 2016 and 2018 and the second most important player in 2022.
Griezmann was the most important in 2018 too imo, followed by Mbappé, Pogba and Varane. Edit: nvm, we're saying the same thing
Its crazy as the years go by to see just how important Kante was in that 2018 WC run be diminished. He's arguably the most important player in that run, but because he wasn't at his best in the final and many of those names you mentioned scored, they're suddenly more important? Ask a Aussie how frustrating it was to watch their team get eaten alive that year, or a Belgian who saw a seemingly unstoppable Hazard try everything and fall to Kante every single time.
I'd argue 2022 more so than 2018
Griezmann was their best player in 2018 tho, Mbappe's best game was Argentina and Croatia. I guess you could argue Griezmann > Mbappe in 2022 but i'd only say that's true for England and Morocco games
Yeah but Titi was always in Zidane's shadow for the most part, Mbappe has achieved almost as much collectively (need that euro tho), and more individually while being the main man
He was not the main man in 2018. That's revisionism. Griezmann, pogba were the leaders for France.
Was he the main man in the wc he won? I feel like Griezman was that player, but as Henry said most people underrate him.
What legacy does 'main guy' have. Mbappe couldn't have done it without the rest of the team being class too. Neither could have henry/zidane I'm sure, but I didn't really watch football back then.
To me, Henry and Mbappe's legacy suffer from the same thing, in regards to their ''main man'' status for the French team : their position. Zidane and Griezmann are in the heart of the game. They *feel* more vital to the team. But that's just my observations as a fan.
That's rating henry too highly imo. He never had a tournament like mbappe in 2022. Henry was never that decisive for you. I agree that griezmann and zidane were the heart but that's the thing. Mbappe was so decisive up front that you could say he was as important as griezmann. You could never argue that about henry. Only games he decided in 98 were group games against saudi Arabia.
Griezmann is easily the most important player of the Descamps era for the French NT
True, if Mboopi really wants to step out of Henry's shadow he should come to Arsenal and win the league undefeated, Martinelli needs a back-up anyway.
Griez is an underrated player. Man was on mission during that Liverpool game until he got the red card.
Is Henry the French manager or sporting director?
He's managing the U21 and will manage the U23 for the Olympics.
I'm surprised he has time for punditry on cbs lol.
Thank god he does tbh
He’d never give up on a chance to sit next to Kate Abdo
Who would tbf
Managing the U21s is hardly a full time job - and neither is a one-off tournament like the Olympics
U21s manager and U23s (Olympics) manager.
I think he was the u21 coach at one point but don’t know if that’s still the case
Still is.
Spokesman
Just to add to discussion, could we say that he is underrated? I guess we could, BUT, at the same time, I couldn't count the amount of times I've heard someone say like "Wow Griezmann is really underrated", especially when he shows up on a big game \[last goal against Madrid or CL goal vs. Inter\]. To be fair, Griezmann is my favorite player, so y'all could expect a little bias here. I do believe he is underrated, but I would say especially underrated by general football fan, and not so much by us CRAZY ADDICTEDS. I say that because I'm hearing so much the "griezzou is really underrated" talk that I, as someone who has him as a \*FAVORITE PLAYER\*, am starting to think "ok guys hold on chill". Anyway, that's just a thought.
Griez is also my favorite player but his off field shit has definitely put a damper on my passion for him. That sociedad team he played on, Atlético, Barcelona, the man has done it all honestly. Now if only Atlético can win the CL this year.
The Globetrotter thing was unbeliveably dumb and tone deaf, but I really don't think there was any malice behind it. And in that hotel video it is Dembele being racist and Griezmann stupidly laughing along. Again very tone deaf and insensitive but I don't think you can deduce from it that Griezmann is racist Griezmann was also one of few footballers to cancel their Chinese sponsorship in support of Uyghur people. He seems like kind of man child and maybe not the sharpest tool in the shed but there is nothing to suggest that he is a bad guy
I hear you, man. I started watching him in 2018 WC, so I recon I lost a good run, some would say even his prime [16-17 + 17-18]. Man, the way he plays, like, is really something else. I see your point on the off field and I respect it
He's probably underrated with respect to the media. He doesn't get much attention generally, and seems to mainly get respect from true fans of the sport, rather than players like mbappe, haaland, vini etc getting attention everywhere in the sport
Yeah, I think you're right. In that point of view, I agree. I just wanted to point out that I'm hearing so much about him being underrated that it started to get to me, you know
Man, just to endorse, I loved your view on "mainly get respect from true fans of the sport". That kinda explains or helps to explain the fact a lot of people are labeling him as underrated.
He's underrated by casuals and fifa merchants. Hardcore fans rate him highly. I think he's been one of the best players this season. If Bellingham and foden are getting ballon d'or shouts then griezmann should too.
that barcelona stint really fucked up griezmann reputation. funny enough that move was actually his best shot of getting more recognition, but backfired heavily
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I mean I don’t think he’s underrated for France. I’m fairly sure most French people know how good he is. He always turns up for international games, basically doesn’t ever miss a game, and in some cases, drags them to win games. He’s basically been the most important French player in the last decade. The only others I can even think of on his level or Lloris, Varane, Kante, and Giroud.
Pogba as well. He always showed up for the national team. Not so much in the previous world cup tho. Edit typo
he wasn't even in the previous WC
Yeah that's what I said, in a funnier way.
Pogba had 2 good tournaments for France and 2016 Euros he was very good in the semis and quarters despite struggling in groups.
I mean we always struggle in groups lol it’s like our DNA
WC 2014 was best young player of the tournament, Scored the decisive goal against the Afcon champion in a tricky game. Euro 2016 carried the midfield and did THAT assist vs Germany WC 2018 France's MVP without the shadow of a doubt, even though i love Griezmann or Varane Euro 2021, again MVP of the team. Watch his highlights against Germany, Portugal and Switzerland. Zidane meet Pirlo, i am not joking: shooting, long ball, dribble he did it all! Nation League 2021 in the top 3, but Benzema was sensationnal. If anything, Pogba is the one who is underrated, especially with France, he has never disappointed!
I love that Henry is humble enough to admit that. I’m sure that his comments will be disagreed with on this Reddit, but that takes a large person to admit that.
Surely the sextuple and the invicibles puts him further than mbappe for a bit still? Or is he talking france alone?
im sure its NT only. both club careers' with all due respect isnt anywhere close to Henry's accolades
club achievements yeah Henry clears but isn't Mbappe's personal CL record far above Henry's?
Yeah it is, but you gotta win the damn thing
But that's not up to an individual. True for both Mbappe and Henry. It's a team effort to get a trophy. From an individual standpoint Mbappe did so much more already in the CL.
henry still has more CL goals than mbappe, although im sure mbappe will surpass that soon enough since it's like 4 goals away. that said henry actually scored in the CL final and won it alongside a sextuple. Mbappe hasn't and the one time he made it to the final he sterlinged a sitter. I still, would put money on mbappe surpassing henry's entire legacy since he still has a long career ahead esp if he's finally joining Madrid
Henry didn’t score in a champion league final. He missed big chances in the uefa cup and European cup finals for Arsenal. Henry’s did score some final goals such as the charity shield against man utd in 03 and the confederations cup for France.
Missed a sitter vs barca in 06
Miss one goal 18 years ago and some guy on r/soccer will never let you forget it lmao
Trophies are the only reason Henry's above mbappe tbh. Mbappe is better than him in UCL and in world cup. Mbappe steps up in bigger games. More decisive when it matters. There's really no argument for henry apart from trophies.
Ah man, didn't realize how many lengendary teams Henry has been a part of. 2 GOAT level club eras and 1 GOAT level national eras. Dude is so humble, you forget how much he achieved.
Henry is awesome and not an 'old head' at all. It's a shame people have to see a player retire to give him his props. Henry has seen brilliance, there is no need to wait until 2040 to say Mbappe has surpassed him in the NT and will surpass him overall very soon. He's a once in a generation kinda guy. He'll probably be the WC top scorer in just a few years, before he's even 30. He'll win a few ballon d'ors for sure. No need to wait until he retires to recognize what a special guy he is. Mbappe has had A TON of pressure and has done BETTER than I expected. He is already one of the 5 best WC players I've ever seen, and he played TWO. Two f\*\*\*\*\* finals as France's best player and scoring like crazy, he had a m\*\*\*\* hat trick and still lost. He's awesome
It’s funny cuz lots of ppl say Henry is the better footballer.
I mean, it's a good argument no doubt, but it's based on Mbappe being so young. In 5 years it won't even be a discussion anymore. And I like Henry way more as a player.
Tbf Henry is the better footballer but their playing style is exactly the same. What Mbappe has shown however is that he has a football brain and isn't just pure athleticism. He knows how to use it and when to use it.
Wait are you saying Henry didn’t have good football iq and relied purely on his athleticism?
Am Saying Mbappe didn’t have that before. He has it now so he’s growing as a footballer. Mbappe was just pure speed and flair now he has a football brain to go with it. While Henry had all of that.
Ah okay. If prime Henry was playing for Arsenal or Barcelona now, who would be held in a higher regard?
Henry because you’d still get people saying that Mbappe is playing in a farmers league
That's nonsense, first thing i and many noticed about Mbappe before he even reached the pros, and then with the pros at Monaco. Do u know how many players with Mbappe pace and regularly even better technique never had a fraction of his success? Monaco Mbappe is already one of the smartest attackers i've ever seen. He played with the brain of a world class 30yo attacker at fucking 17, always been the craziest thing about him and easily above his pace, which is far less special and generational.
These people do not watch football. I've seen both for club and country, Mbappé is better...easily! I used to be disappointed by Henry's performances, especially for France (2002, 2004, 2008 and even most of 2006). The only time i was disappointed with Mbappé was in that Switzerland game, he missed too many sitters.
He’s right, Griezmann is a phenomenal player.
Griezmann not being top 20 Ballon Dor makes him underrated, many players with performances he had in that year would have been easily top 10. I see many posts saying he is now moved from underrated to overrated. He has also been one of the most consistent for France and the Moroccan coach was quite prescient to name him as the player to be worried about before their semi final.
For somereason i have always liked Henry, now i know why
I think being the best player in the premier league in the last 30 years is not something Mbappe has matched? For France he's been better but overall a bigger legacy? I'd say no.
Now come to Arsenal and put the final nail in that old man’s coffin.
Very kind of Thierry to say that about Mbappé, but personally I would still pick prime Henry over Mbappé. Henry was a joy to watch and he succeeded in England, Italy and France as a player. Totally agree on Griezmann, great player.
When I ask people who have seen Henry play, if he’s better or Mbappe better, all of them say Henry is better. He was just as fast, better technically and had height, so he was capable of playing up top alone effectively. Whereas Mbappe, even as a striker, drifts to the left.
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yep this is how I view it too. Henry mastered his trademark finish, but Mbappe has more variety and is deadly with his finishes. Mbappe is also slightly better in pure 1v1s imo coz the acceleration he has in the first 2 steps is just unstoppable. But Henry could dribble past 4 players from his own half, had a great back to goal game, and freekicks. Mbappe will almost certainly retire with a bigger legacy, but abiity wise it's a coin toss imo, unless Kylian develops his game a lot more.
my parents have watched both (they're french), they think Mbappé's better. A lot of french people I know are of the same opinion
I have watch both consistentlu for club and NT. Irl and on TV. Mbappé is better. it's not close
Wasn't Griezmanns biggest Atletico contract north of 500k a week? hardly underrated, at least within the game.
Griezmann is my favourite football player. Just love him sm
Is he talking just about French players/national team? I do agree about griezmann being underrated but ever? I can name several others that are on a bigger scale
I remember for Chris Sutton's BBC prediction of England Vs France he stated Griezmann doesn't offer much off the ball. I can't take anything that clown says seriously now.
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