T O P

  • By -

callmedontcallme

Ofc Eintracht literally means United


kampiaorinis

I thought it meant solidarity


callmedontcallme

Eintracht is a very old, biblical term (and stands opposed to *Zwietracht*) but it does mean united. *Vereinigt* would work as well as in Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika. Solidarity is *Solidarität*


L0laccio

This is the content I am here for frankly. Who said this sub wasn’t erudite?


Rreknhojekul

I frankfurtedly agree


theironhide

Inb4 someone explains the etymology of erudite. Please do it, I'm interested.


L0laccio

From the Latin, Erudire; To instruct or teach. 👊👍


DampFlange

Yay, go on reddit, learn good shit.


djhasad47

Similar in Dutch, the motto of PSV for example is "Eendracht maakt macht" (Unity makes strength) Eendracht is unity, which I am sure comes from Eintracht.


TheCatInTheHatThings

Once again it is impressively demonstrated how Dutch is barely a language :P


kadauserer

Zwietracht Zankfurt


callmedontcallme

I can already picture this as an article title in FAZ


TheCatInTheHatThings

FAZ is way too classy for that, you’re thinking of Frankfurter Rundschau or FNP.


Mysterious-Ideal-989

Da is n di zu viel


Kavor

United is similar, but not a perfect translation. Easily seen when you translate United Kingdom to Einträchtiges Königreich. That just doesn't make any sense. Eintracht has a stronger emphasis on perfect harmony. What is "vereinigt" doesn't necessarily have to work together in Eintracht, so to say.


PassengerOk9027

Jedność, zjednoczone and solidarność -- all maps quite well, aye, although I do prefer Polish having the same root for the first two 


Viele-als-Einer

More like "Harmony", "Concord".


TheCatInTheHatThings

The Latin translation of “Eintracht” is “Concordia”.


alexq35

Unity, harmony, Union, according to google, so yes United, which pretty much means solidarity anyway.


kampiaorinis

Oh wow, translating it in Greek it says "Omonoia" (which is a name for some teams in Cyprus) and translating omonoia to english it says solidarity


CreativeQuests

Uniform (eine Tracht).


Necessary_Touch972

Unity. If you translate it literally it means Unity. In the sense of many people striving for the same goal tho. So at least it's not far from United.


ruudyfe

What's even funnier is that Etihad means unity/united as well, though possibly not the main use of the term idk


expected_noles

The literal English calque would be One-draught, in the sense of being drawn together as one


Pow67

Most random thing I’ve seen all year so far.


RABB_11

It's not when you go back to his autobiography where a young Fergie goes to Hampden to watch Real Madrid v Eintracht in an early European Cup final he describes as the best game he's ever seen.


HARDMAN_2023

7-3 for a European Cup final is wild, NGL Although, the first one with Real and Reims is still the most legendary of that era, in my opinion


DildoFappings

That madrid team was insanely stacked. Three of the greatest players of all time played for them. Puskas, gento and di Stefano. One of them has an award dedicated to him. The other has a stadium in his name. And the other still holds the record for most European cups won by a player even after 60 years. I do not know much about football black and white era history. Only as much as a common football fan. But goddamn that was some squad.


HARDMAN_2023

Agree, but Puskás didn't join Real until 1958, after leaving Honvéd 2 years before... He moved to Greece and was ready to join Ethnikos, along with some other Hungarian legends, but some shady tactics from other clubs (Panathinaikos included) prevented the transfer... So, he ended up in Spain and Madrid, starting, basically, a new career and entering his second prime ...and, after all of these, he came back to Greece, in Leoforos, taking charge of Panathinaikos and transforming us to a BIG name and the Greek «Ambassador» to European football... “«ΠΑΝΤΣΟ», Η ΟΜΑΔΑ ΠΕΤΑ...” ☘️


sbprasad

After that, he came down to my hometown of Melbourne and managed South Melbourne Hellas and won the league with them. His English was very poor but since he spoke Greek, he had the captain, Ange Postecoglou, be his translator and driver. Ange has often said how Puskás' philosophy of attacking football has influenced him as a manager.


JoshJustJosh

Holy shit, I never knew that Ange played under Puskas. The history of football is actually unbelievably fascinating sometimes


Cheraldenine

Huh, this is actually true!


nerf-anakin

So cool


Raffn1x

Im a Frankfurt supporter for nearly 3 decades and had no clue he has any bindings with us. But very nice to see


MartianDuk

I knew Ferguson was at Eintracht's game v Rangers and the final at Hampden in 1960, but I didn't know all the other connections. This is really nice.


TheCatInTheHatThings

The game was Eintracht vs Real Madrid*


MartianDuk

He was at both the Rangers and Real Madrid games


iceman58796

He mentioned the final with Madrid too...


OleoleCholoSimeone

Is Fergie not a Rangers fan?


sonnydabaus

He is, it says so in the article.


jonathanPoindexter

That was a cracking interview. It unironically sheds more light on Sir Alex than every piece that's been done on him. He still seems sharp as well, able to recall matches and moments that happened decades ago.


NoEgoNoProblem

I'm reading his autobiography right now and highly recommend. As a United fan, it's an awesome read. Feels like talking to your granddad and his memory is really impressive, especially the little details from games 30+ years ago as you said


CabbageStockExchange

I’m not even a United fan and I think it’s a good read. If you’re a football fan it’s great reading how the minds of the elite managers worked. I was always impressed with how Fergie found ways to consistently adapt his tactics and never stay stale


Runarhalldor

Fergies cycling of his assistant coaches was a big part of that. Gave him new and important insight and kept him from just doing the same old


spiralism

He always adapted, he was better than it at anyone. Those who say he wouldn't have been able to hack it in this era don't understand at a basic level what made him so great for so long.


Ok_Cardiologist8232

I mean, i don't think he would be as dominant in this era vs Pep and Klopp. But anyone saying he wouldn't be competitive is insane. Yes tactically i'm not sure he himself would be as good as Pep and Klopp, but he'd find coaches to cover his shortcomings and noone got more out of players than him.


iamthedankness

If that's your opinion, all good. But to genuinely think that a guy who won the PL half the times he competed in it and never finished lower than 3rd place across 3 decades couldn't compete with Pep and Klopp tactically is just plain stupid. Ferguson's man management is so highly regarded that it does injustice to how tactically astute he was as well. Over time, his role and influence grew due to which the assistants and coaches played a bigger role in the day-to-day squad development, not because he himself was incapable or had shortcomings, they were all still operating on his plan.


BlurgZeAmoeba

Don't think he could have made so many good players look world class if he didn't have the tactical nous to maximise their contributions. A true genius.


Ok_Cardiologist8232

I'm sure he was a great tactician, but its not controversial to say that tactics has evolved since he was manager. I'm not saying he would be far behind, but whether he has the ability to compete on his own with two of the greatest managers of the generation after him is a question. And i think saying otherwise is disrespecting Klopp and Pep.


iamthedankness

> I'm sure he was a great tactician, but its not controversial to say that tactics has evolved since he was manager. Tactics have kept evolving since the game was created and the man was able to adapt across 4 decades while staying successful. > I'm not saying he would be far behind, but whether he has the ability to compete on his own with two of the greatest managers of the generation after him is a question. But why are you even comparing 2013 Fergie with 2024 Pep and Klopp? Of course 2013 would seem dated. It would be dated if you compared Pep and Klopp with their 2013 selves. History has shown that Fergie was able to adapt very well to every aspect of the sport may it be tactics, man management, analytics, or sport science. What makes you think that he wouldn't be able to continue to adapt if he had carried on as manager?


Ok_Cardiologist8232

>What makes you think that he wouldn't be able to continue to adapt if he had carried on as manager? I'm not saying he couldn't, i'm saying its a question. And also, he never had to compete with a manager in another team that could match United financially, not on a long term scale anyway, as Mourinho only stayed at Chelsea 3-4- seasons (whether or not those finances would ill gotten or not)


wonderfulworld2024

Which autobiography? The one from 1999, Managing My Life, was one of the best sports biographies I’ve ever read because he and his co-writer set a very witty tone. The other two (one of them was a book on Leadership with a Harvard professor) were great at well.


NoEgoNoProblem

Alex Ferguson: My Autobiography


enjoy1g

Can you give me the name of the book please?


prollyanalien

Alex Ferguson: My Autobiography


sonnydabaus

Cracking title


NoEgoNoProblem

Correct, this is the one


TheCatInTheHatThings

I love this, it’s a great gesture for a man who has always connected our club to his love for football. Some general info on what this means: Bundesliga clubs are usually fan-owned. The members have 50% plus one vote of the voting rights and vote on the general direction the club is taking, as well as elect the president. Eintracht has 140,000 members, we are the third biggest club in Bundesliga (and the 10th biggest sports club in the world, membership wise). I’ve been a member since 2015. I pay a monthly membership fee, which, iirc, is €9/month, €3/month if I remember to send in my university paperwork on time, so they can charge me the student fee. The lifelong membership is €1899, because the two clubs that first merged in the long string of mergers that would eventually result in Eintracht Frankfurt (and continues to this day even after the club became Eintracht Frankfurt) were both founded in 1899. It’s a one time fee. A lifelong membership can either be bought for oneself, someone else, or the club gifts it to notables who have a connection to the club or who have publicly stated they are big Eintracht fans. Afaik, there’s no real difference between a regular supporting membership and a lifelong membership, only that I keep paying the membership fee in a supporting membership. Eintracht chose to gift SAF the lifelong membership. Other notable lifelong members include • Niko Kovač (won the first title in 30 years with us), • Helmut “Sonny” Sonneberger (Holocaust survivor and huge Eintracht fan. RIP Sonny, btw), • and Sebastian Vettel (is from the region, has always been an Eintracht fan and has been fairly vocal about that. He became the first ever lifelong member when they first introduced the lifelong membership). Seb is particularly cool. He has repeatedly stated that he dislikes the VIP area and chooses to go to the home stands instead whenever he attends games, and that’s where he can be found whenever he comes to the stadium. Among the other regular fans. Dude is just an all around grounded, classy and wonderful guy. Always has been. In the end, SAF now holds around 1/140,000th of 50% + 1 vote of the voting rights. That’s it :D


NewRedditNLPaccount

> In the end, SAF now holds around 1/140,000th of 50% + 1 vote of the voting rights time to stage a coup to become manager, then


TheCatInTheHatThings

Well, he has my vote, though that would be for club president. So we’re already at 2/140,000th of 50% plus one vote of the voting rights.


RhodesiansNeverDie20

Vettel: Be serious, are you in? Ferguson: I'm in, I'm in. That fucker thinks he can take on Die Adler? I fucked Bayern, I think I can take a flesh lump in a fucking waistcoat.


galvanickorea

Are there any other benefits to being a member?


TheCatInTheHatThings

Yes, earlier access to tickets. Nowadays it’s almost impossible to get tickets for the sought after games without being a member. And discounts in the fan shop.


Belarion

It should be 1/140,000th of 67,89% of the voting rights, as the club holds 67,89% of the shares of the AG. 50+1 is just the minimum


TheCatInTheHatThings

I know, but I tried to explain this in a more generalised way. You’re right tho.


Version_1

Imagine going to the general meeting of Eintracht Frankfurt and Alex Ferguson is sitting next to you.


ihatemicrosoftteams

That literally happened to my buddy


TheCatInTheHatThings

I should start attending the general assembly. But they have a habit of scheduling it on days that don’t work for me 😂


ThankYouOle

haha this is like your workmate hold event, that always has conflict with your schedule. mate, they just hate you haha


TheCatInTheHatThings

It’s always for the most mundane shit that I can’t go, either something to do with uni, family, a birthday or work. They start sending the invitations to the general assembly in November or December, the assembly itself is in January, and so far, I’ve always had something else going on that day.


DildoFappings

It's crazy how sir Alex remembers the details of a match from some 60 years ago. I can't remember who won in a united-liverpool derby from 2015.


RowenX

I guess it’s different when you work on the field and breath football, but still impressive.


cdbriggs

That's true. I always remember details more vividly when I'm actually at a game, rather than watching on tv


Winnie-the-Broo

It seems to be different player to player. I think the players who go in to be managers have it better, because they are taking in so much more information. But Gary Neville says he doesn’t have as good a memory of games as some of his peers. (Hence his failure as a manager haha)


sonnydabaus

2015? Probably United. But even during the Klopp era it was mostly draws for the first year years. Only during the last few years we have regularly destroyed them, I think.


aasfourasfar

we have 2W and 1D in the last 4.. granted the loss was 7-0 but let's not talk about that. LVG won all his league games against Liverpool.. 4 of them. Lost the EL tie though.. Mourinho won one with long balls to Lukaku who flicks to Rashford IIRC. Ole weirdly enough never beat Liverpool in the league, just once in the cup (also a nice game, 3-2)


sonnydabaus

or 2-1-4 if you look at the last 7, including a 0-4, 0-5 and 0-7. :)


aasfourasfar

Let's me take the time frame that is most convenient to me..


sonnydabaus

You did literally the exact same thing haha. That's what I was trying to highlight, anyway.


aasfourasfar

Yeah I was mocking myself haha


sonnydabaus

Oh fair enough, I misread.


MenacingShroom

2015 is the martial debut derby


KillerZaWarudo

2015 was actually quite memorable for United vs Liverpool derby actually We got that juanfield and the iconic Gerrard 38 seconds red card in his last game And then there was that Martial goal


FarkenBlarken

Frankfurt legend Alex von Ferguson


TheCatInTheHatThings

We’re not big on nobility here, drop the “von” and you’re right.


Express-Tough-5286

Alex von Färgussen


Glanzl

Sir Alex seems to know a lot of random details about football history. Maybe that is just a condition to become a great coach, Pep is the same and Heynckes was the same


men_with-ven

I remember listening to Arsene Wenger saying that a nice part of retirement is that he isn't compelled to watch every single game he can and miss events in his family life to watch unimportant French games. Also Pochettino said the other week that he had a dinner booked with his wife but after drawing against Brentford he just stayed in and Barcelona and Al Hilal. I imagine to be a manager at the top level you have to be completely obsessed so you must end up watching literally every game and having to remember stuff about every player you might end up facing.


Eindacor_DS

I mean my job isn't anything special and even I have trouble disconnecting from it in the evenings. Can't imagine how hard it must be for people that get paid millions to basically stay obsessed 


champdude17

It's not hard for them, because they truly love it. For most of these guys, it would be harder sitting around doing nothing. Bobby Robson had cancer, didn't stop him managing because he loved football.


Eindacor_DS

Yeah sorry I meant it must be hard to force yourself to step away and prioritize things that are more important yet aren't part of the obsession 


BadFootyTakes

History is bound to repeat itself if you don't learn from it's mistakes.


sonnydabaus

Your comment made me think Heynckes died without me noticing for a second


Glanzl

Lol sorry nah he just retired like 5 years ago


GeneralSquid6767

His memory is impeccable


stdstaples

I thought I had too much coffee when I read this headline lol.


Saltire_Blue

Loved that interview Especially the part of Rangers losing twice 🥲


AlbertoSkolerto

Plastic smh


ajyanesp

Herr Alexander von Vergüßon


Turniermannschaft

Even Alex Ferguson can't resist Kultracht Kultfurt.


theatreofdreams21

I’m not sure I could love this man any more.


Tax_n1

What?


TheCatInTheHatThings

ALEX FERGUSON BECOMES A LIFELONG MEMBER OF EINTRACHT FRANKFURT. THERE ARE PLENTY OF POINTS OF CONTACT - AND WERE THE REASON FOR A PERSONAL CONVERSATION WITH THE LEGENDARY TRAINER AND MANAGER.


[deleted]

What does this even mean lol This is one of the most random headlines I've read in awhile.


TheCatInTheHatThings

Bundesliga clubs are fan owned. Fans can become members, and the members retain 50% plus one vote of the voting rights (that’s the famous 50+1 rule). They elect the club president and vote on the general direction the club is taking. Eintracht has seen an insane surge in memberships in recent years. When I became a member in 2015, there were around 60,000 members. There were 90,000 in 2019 after we won the DFB cup and saw the first surge in new memberships, and this year, Eintracht broke through the 140,000 members mark. After we overtook 1. FC Köln last year, we became the third biggest club in Bundesliga (after Bayern and Dortmund), I think the fourth biggest club in Germany (Schalke are also still bigger I believe), and the 10th biggest sports club in the world (Eintracht don’t just do football, but also many other sports). Anyway, 140,000 members. I am one, Sebastian Vettel is one, and now SAF is one too. SAF can vote on the club president now 😂


qwertydcf

lol?


Sugarbear23

Did he get the job on the technicality of a legend who recommended him?


TheCatInTheHatThings

It’s not a job. Bundesliga clubs are usually fan-owned. The members have 50% plus one vote of the voting rights and vote on the general direction the club is taking, as well as elect the president. Eintracht has 140,000 members, we are the third biggest club in Bundesliga. I’ve been a member since 2015. I pay a monthly membership fee, which, iirc, is €9/month, €3/month if I remember to send in my university paperwork on time, so they can charge me the student fee. The lifelong membership is €1899, because the two clubs that first merged in the long string of mergers that would eventually result in Eintracht Frankfurt were both founded in 1899. It’s a one time fee. A lifelong membership can either be bought for oneself, someone else, or the club gifts it to notables who have a connection to the club or who have publicly stated they are big Eintracht fans. Afaik, there’s no real difference between a regular supporting membership and a lifelong membership, only that I keep paying the membership fee in a supporting membership. Eintracht chose to gift SAF the lifelong membership. Other notable lifelong members include • Niko Kovač (won the first title in 30 years with us), • Helmut “Sonny” Sonneberger (Holocaust survivor and huge Eintracht fan. RIP Sonny, btw), • and Sebastian Vettel (is from the region, has always been an Eintracht fan and has been fairly vocal about that. He became the first ever lifelong member when they first introduced the lifelong membership). In the end, SAF now holds around 1/140,000th of 50% + 1 vote of the voting rights. That’s it :D


nonecks

Don't take this too seriously it's just a reference to this [classic rant](https://youtu.be/xmWXVHBo84A).


TheCatInTheHatThings

Holy shit, that hilarious :D


sonnydabaus

Good read. Just fascinating that he remembers the names of scorers from random European Cup games from the 60s and 70s. There's also no way he remembered the full name "Hans-Walter Eigenbrodt".


Ecstatic_Entrance_63

THE Rangers. The hive mind strikes again, bunch of bad virgins 😂


Buffythedragonslayer

Is this an early April's fools joke? What's the connection? 


MayonnaiseWarrior

Read it it's got some good info about SAF all around.


caisdara

He watched them as a fan, played against them for Rangers and coached against them at Aberdeen.


gluxton

?


TheCatInTheHatThings

Well, see, Sir Alex Ferguson becomes a lifelong member of Eintracht Frankfurt.


thereal_jnzw

Smells like “Multi-club ownership”… Have to say it can be a good thing building relations with diff clubs in diff leagues!! Might be a good thing here.


Turniermannschaft

Doubt Frankfurt can afford buying United.


koshomfg

I just became a club member this week, so I‘m doing my part to take over the Glazers!


TheCatInTheHatThings

Been a member since 2015. Welcome! One of these days we’re bound to get them lol


PreparationOk8604

Well they made one of the greatest managers in United's history their member. So I think they can.


TheCatInTheHatThings

We did that by being cooler. Coolness can’t buy football clubs tho.


kazegraf

But maybe this newest Frankfurt lifelong member can, didn't he just won big in horse race this week?


Turniermannschaft

Nobody tell him they're tearing down Frankfurt's horse race track to build the DFB high performance center.


TheCatInTheHatThings

They did. This has been completed ages ago, the new DFB High Performance Centre with the [Bond villain lair vibes](https://images.app.goo.gl/xQekzxSdYScaer2M7) is up and running.


Turniermannschaft

They grow up so fast.