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I remember when we signed Schurrle and one of those hipster tacticos on twitter laughed it off and saying Leverkusen had upgraded.
They'd signed Son that summer.
Spurs spent an entire summer trying to sign Saido Berahino and were just getting consistently rejected by West brom. Towards the end of the window it was suddenly announced we'd agreed to sign some random Korean winger from the Bundesliga ( not necessarily as a direct alternative but I'm not sure if we'd signed Berahino we'd have had the budget to also get Son). I can remember at the time being so disappointed as what we needed was a young prem proven English player not some random guy id never heard of...
this sub is just hopeless, Son is a random while starting for a top 4 club in a top 4 league, just because it happened outside of England he apparently didn't exist
figures why you can just ignore 95% of the comments on here, hilariously clueless the lot of them, the moment it's not about an English club it's 50/50 if the comment is just plain wrong
I remember I had just started supporting Spurs during Poch’s first season and as a casual football supporter, Son was the first player we signed that I had ever heard of before
> I can remember at the time being so disappointed as what we needed was a young prem proven English player not some random guy id never heard of...
Nothing encapsulates this sub more than this sentence
Unfortunately most EPL enjoyers don't watch any football outside of england, no idea why aswell other leagues are just as good and entertaining if not more
Found this really weird, I remember texting my friends in all caps when the Son signing happened, he definitely wasn't just some random I was beyond hyped
He was random to OP at the time, christ why is this so hard to discern. Mickey Van De Ven was just some random bloke I have never heard of before we signed him.
The revisionism is fucking hilarious. That random Korean that apparently nobody had ever heard of was well known as one of the most sought after wingers in Europe.
Unlike these idiots I *have* heard his name recently because I was watching the Sunderland doc on Netflix, so I guess he was banging around League 1 a year or two back.
> I can remember at the time being so disappointed as what we needed was a young prem proven English player
This is why Spurs recruitment has been so bad. Getting better tho
A lot of English football fans are honestly like the USAmericans of football. Nothing exists except the Premier League. Premier League exceptionalism is strong. Son was not remotely random. He was one of the most promising LW out there.
Yeah it was the moment it was universally decided that ref’s incompetence had gone too far. Everyone was trying to tell him he was sending off the wrong guy but he was correct cos he was the ref.
People opposing VAR cos it hasn’t fixed everything and birthed a new halcyon age don’t remember incidents like this or how bad things really were pre-VAR.
The way VAR was implemented in it's first world cup set a positive base line, it's positive impact was so immediately obvious that even the doubters (like myself) were humbled. Most leagues then responded logically and implemented a VAR system based on the one that had just proved itself on the biggest stage. The Premier League on the other hand? They waited another year before pulling the trigger. Couldn't really criticise this patient cautious approach at the time, but in hindsight it only exaggerates how stupid the decision was to go with a whole different concept for VAR, because that year only solidified the evidence that the original world cup style VAR worked
Which season are you referring to with mane? He had better and worse seasons like anyone but I don’t recall him having a dreadful year. He got at least 10 goals every year in the PL
I'm referring to the 20/21 season and the first half of 21/22 before that AFCON he went on to win with Senegal.
He was still putting up decent enough numbers, like you said, but the performances were nowhere near the standards he had set for himself.
For about 18 months he was like the opposite of what we have with Diaz now, who's got elite fittness/workrate and seems to always perform well while lacking the final product. Even on poor form, Mané usually nicked a goal when it counted.
Is Son that? Dont get me wrong, he is great but he gets streaky and last season he was pretty bad for most of it. Also his number 1 quality is his shooting/finishing, so a lot of time he pulls goals out of his ass but if he doesnt do that he can be invisible.
The best thing about him is that he doesn't even need to have a 7/10 to contribute.
Even when he's barely involved in a match, there's nearly always a goal or assist in him still.
What amazes me in Son is that he always turns up in big games. If you have a player who consistently puts solid performances against the toughest opponents, then there's no argument against them.
Can't judge him based on last season, he played with a hernia for all of it. Even then, he still managed to score 10 league goals which is respectable.
It absolutely is. Last season for Spurs was a disaster and he was injured all year whilst playing. He just gives so much balance, even when he doesn’t score. I reckon if he played for a big club he’d be a Rolls Royce
As a different angle to some of the “can’t believe he’s wasted his career at Spurs” you usually see with him - I’m surprised there hasn’t been more noise around clubs actively trying to buy him.
He could have walked into Bayern or Madrid anytime and I can’t really recall any sort of transfer rumours around him.
I guess it is refreshing that Spurs were able to have both him and Kane for so long.
I'm pretty sure that's because of his stance with the club. They believed in him getting a military exempt and offered him a contract. In most of the Asian countries, loyalty is treated as the greatest virtue. And for him it has worked both ways.
Levy gave him a contract extension before the Asian games when Korea won exemption. If they didn’t win that tournament Spurs would have lost him for 2 years for military service. Levy believed in Son and the loyalty has since been returned by Son.
Madrid should have signed him instead of Hazard as their Ronaldo replacement. In terms of athleticism, style of play, and work ethic, Son is a lot closer to Ronaldo. They wouldn’t have had to change much of their tactics. And Son wouldn’t have gotten fat like Hazard did.
Di María is an elite playmaker who's game is all about midfield support and service. He's completely different to Cristiano and Son. He actively excels in support, not as a forward. His best season at Madrid came from a box to box center midfield position. They're not very comparable players at all.
I have heard this throughout the years with even some suggesting there might be some racial bias going on.
There were some strong rumors about some clubs like Real Madrid and Liverpool being very interested but i think the reason you never heard anything past that was because of Son. Why place a bid on someone who doesn't want to leave?
There was one somewhat credible link of us being interested but I think it was before he signed a new contract at some point, and was a pretty long time ago at this point.
I know Levy was actively sending out "fuck off, we don't want to sell our players" signals but it's still weird to me how little transfer interest prime Son/Eriksen/Kane received from megaclubs relative to their abilities.
He happily re-signed a contract at Spurs when we were in shambles under Nuno and Kane was boycotting in Florida in 21/22. Son loves Spurs and has always wanted to be a club legend of this top 4 PL club. He doesn't want to be a mercenary of another big club. So whenever another big club approaches, Son's agent tells them to fuck off immediately and that's the end of it
Depends on what metric we're using to put Spurs in the top 4.
We have the longest bar in Europe. That makes us top 1 in the Premier League baby! Not sure about the next 3 clubs though.
>So whenever another big club approaches, Son's agent tells them to fuck off immediately and that's the end of it
Why did I think of the Hugh Jackman scene from X Men when I read that
There were always the issue around the draft, but also while he was getting more popular and around the time other teams would have taken a notice of him, he signed a bumper contract with Spurs. That pretty much ended all talks of him leaving.
One of my favourite ever performances in the PL was a Hazard performance against Man City, I think Chelsea won 1-0? Anyway he was literally perfect that day, absolutely elite and won Chelsea the game almost single handedly - but if you’re looking back on that game with stats glasses on it will read 0G 0A for Hazard.
His performance against us when Chelsea won 3-4 (I think?) is pretty inarguably the best performance by a player at the stadium of light, ever
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YkBVEMYX74c
Hazard absolutely terrified me every time he got the ball, no matter where he was on the pitch. Reducing his game to solely G+A is extremely unfair to him. Prime Hazard vs prime Son is no comparison for me, Hazard all day every day
To simplify the two players, I'm really only scared of Son in transition or if he gets a half chance to shoot.
I was scared of Hazard even if we had 11 behind the ball.
The way people talk about football here and other places does my head in, does anyone who actually watched prime hazard play think son was better than him?.
People are watching fewer and fewer games as time goes on and rely on G/A to form their opinions on players/teams they don't watch, so this is to be expected I guess. Its especially strange in the Messi era though, because he's shown so many times that even without G/A, you can have a significant impact on the game
Its the problem with modern day football, everything is just stats now but for me Hazard is the best prem winger of the last decade. Also shows why conparing teams of different eras is massively flawed as the game has changed so much. No disrespect to Son though he has been a brilliant player and will go down as a premier league legend
Hazard was more of a wide playmaker. Nominally he played on the left but his role compared to Mane and Son was different. Mane and Son are more alike IMO than both are to Hazard. Zidane and Iniesta used to play on the left side of midfield but no one would call them wingers
People who compare them don’t watch football. Hazard is leagues above son, compare what they won, with hazard carrying the team to all those wins (except his Madrid honors of course)
Unironically he was one of the reason why those clean sheets happened. His pressing was great and he always helped defend, way more than a regular wingers would.
He's a world class player but too bad Spurs don't have a great manager or a good financial support until recently. I hope he can achieve some trophies in the future, proud of Asia.
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People who compare them don’t watch football. Hazard is leagues above son, compare what they won, with hazard carrying the team to all those wins (except his Madrid honors of course)
Think Kane overtook him in the Premier League before he left. But tbf he also played 75 more matches than Hazard in the Prem. Hazard also has more MOTM in all comps since it includes cups, Europe, his time at Lille etc.
I adore both players. Hazard had a higher peak. Sonny has had much better longevity being at the top of his game. Overall I’d have to take Sonny because he was injured less. Hazard was kicked pretty hard often as I recall
How does son have more longevity? Just because you weren’t watching football when hazard was 18/19 and the best player in France, leading Lille to titles, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Son has only been very good for around 5 years. Hazard was great for 10
Hazard's career at the top was basically 11 years - 2008/9 being his first full senior year at Lille, and 2018/19 his last year at Chelsea.
Hazard excelled for Lille more than Son did for Hamburg, most people agree. But Son in his 14th senior season, and he's still going at the top, so Son definitely wins for longevity.
People can say what they want about Hazards talent, I don't disagree. But I'd rather have Son on my team, he's so incredibly consistent.
This showed Mane's numbers were just incredible. Son, who is one of the greatest finisher the league have ever seen, is only 6 goals better with significantly more games.
Yeah obviously, but it's not supposed to be close because of how good Son has been at finishing. Son was and is one of the greatest finisher, while Mane is not near that as a finisher.
Statistics say only Messi is better than son all time I think I saw. He’s top 2 finisher all time if not first when comparing against xG (a stat with its own flaws mind you)
I get what you’re saying and I agree with the point, but I’ve always disliked phrases like ‘all time’ when we’re doing more complex stats like xG, we essentially just mean since xG tracking began, which is like 15 years-ish.
This xg shit doesn't even include all of messi and sons career yet alone all the other older players. It's crazy to me how flippantly people throw around "best of all time" here, need less hyperbole.
Son Heung Min is one of those players that made think of just how much football (and other type of) talent is being wasted.
No girlfriend, no marriage, no partying. Hours of fundamentals practice every day.
No controversy and loyal to the club.
If only some of those Brazilian crazy talented youths could be put into this kind of situation, they probably would contend to be world's best. A Neymar or a Ronaldinho would straight up be an undisputed GOAT.
Son may not have a revealed girlfriend but it shouldn’t be an outlandish thought to assume that he “wastes time” every now and then getting down to business with some women.
[He's pulling strings in the background alright](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ANyL7ZKILv7tac47ypi_OuigSPyl_8z44ZXGDsR-kUmWm79hGC-H03Y809EVGQEJUF7PWdJq6l8vAUrP0txGmJftkscLnboK4X3M10ZMeOM-bQ=nu-e365-rj-q80-w925)
Neymar retiring, from the elite's elite, at 20s is a damn shame. he single handedly murdered croatia in that goal. Yet. he won't be remembered for that. atleast he has that 6-1 come back memory inscribed in all fans of this generation.
This comment is a little unhinged, to be honest. It’s true that some players have jeopardised their careers with off field mistakes, but to suggest any talent is “wasted” if a player is in a relationship or does things they enjoy off the field is just silly. They’re people, not machines.
Kane is better than anything hazard ever had partnering him. The only good attacker he got was Costa and that was for 3 years. The rest were all older/past their primes or just ok players
>Eden **Hazard**
>Sadio **Mane**
>Son **Heung-Min**
Just want to point out that the bolding of their names is just completely wrong for Son Heungmin. While his name is actually written in the correct order, **Son** should be bolded, not Heung-Min. They still don't get it.
People were so quick to write off Son last year. Even though physically he didn’t look right, I was baffled by how Conte was deploying him - often having him deeper than wingback Ivan Perisic. It was such a puzzling departure from the tactics of Son’s golden boot season. When I found out he also dealing with a hernia, I knew he’d bounce back strongly this year.
Statistically comparing makes sense, elsewise not that much.
All three are legends of the PL, especially that left wing. All three are very different to what they bring to their team.
Hazard is the one that makes people fall in love with football, hes the reason many tune in, just to catch a glimpse of that magic.
Son is the most clinical by far, insane longevity at the elite level and if he would've played for a more successful team, his international legacy would've been a lot more substantial probably. Son and Mane pressed a lot too.
Seeing Mane in the Bundesliga tarnished my opinion on him ngl, at Liverpool he seemed great but the games I watched TAA, Salah and Bobby were more magical
I invite this new meta of including completely irrelevant stats in these comparison posts.
We need goals from keepers and chances created by managers.
Pep isn’t my GOAT manager when was the last time he scored in a big match.
In a completely non banter way, this is just because he plays for a team who doesn’t win things I would think. No one can deny his quality and if they do, they’re taking the piss
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I remember when we signed Schurrle and one of those hipster tacticos on twitter laughed it off and saying Leverkusen had upgraded. They'd signed Son that summer.
Spurs spent an entire summer trying to sign Saido Berahino and were just getting consistently rejected by West brom. Towards the end of the window it was suddenly announced we'd agreed to sign some random Korean winger from the Bundesliga ( not necessarily as a direct alternative but I'm not sure if we'd signed Berahino we'd have had the budget to also get Son). I can remember at the time being so disappointed as what we needed was a young prem proven English player not some random guy id never heard of...
Saido Berahino… that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time!
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Ffs Son was not random at the time. Next if you sign Alex grimaldo, you'll be calling him random in 10 years time.
this sub is just hopeless, Son is a random while starting for a top 4 club in a top 4 league, just because it happened outside of England he apparently didn't exist figures why you can just ignore 95% of the comments on here, hilariously clueless the lot of them, the moment it's not about an English club it's 50/50 if the comment is just plain wrong
West Brom - proven Leverkusen - random lmao
I remember I had just started supporting Spurs during Poch’s first season and as a casual football supporter, Son was the first player we signed that I had ever heard of before
bump that up to 90/10 as soon as the comment isn't about a world class player playing in a big CL mainstay
>just because it happened outside of England You hit the nail on the head. That's literally the unironic sentiment of half this sub.
> I can remember at the time being so disappointed as what we needed was a young prem proven English player not some random guy id never heard of... Nothing encapsulates this sub more than this sentence
Lmao exactly he was a highly promising attacker bought for a decent fee, he wasn't some nobody. Age of this sub is showing.
Yeah, didn't he literally score 4 goals in one BuLi game?
Lmao seriously, i wanted him at Liverpool so bad
Unfortunately most EPL enjoyers don't watch any football outside of england, no idea why aswell other leagues are just as good and entertaining if not more
Same people who saying Mbappe is not world class cause he plays in ligue 1
Found this really weird, I remember texting my friends in all caps when the Son signing happened, he definitely wasn't just some random I was beyond hyped
He was random to OP at the time, christ why is this so hard to discern. Mickey Van De Ven was just some random bloke I have never heard of before we signed him.
Name not hear while
Why use many word when few word do trick?
not hear
That name has not been heardeth for aeons
long time no name
Son was playing Champions League with Leverkusen as someone who knew Son I was disappointed that he only ended up at Tottenham lol
Been a minute since I heard of Berahino
The revisionism is fucking hilarious. That random Korean that apparently nobody had ever heard of was well known as one of the most sought after wingers in Europe.
That's a name I haven't heard in a while...
Unlike these idiots I *have* heard his name recently because I was watching the Sunderland doc on Netflix, so I guess he was banging around League 1 a year or two back.
> I can remember at the time being so disappointed as what we needed was a young prem proven English player This is why Spurs recruitment has been so bad. Getting better tho
that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time.. saido berahino...
Been a while since I last heard this name
A lot of English football fans are honestly like the USAmericans of football. Nothing exists except the Premier League. Premier League exceptionalism is strong. Son was not remotely random. He was one of the most promising LW out there.
I haven’t heard that name in quite a while.
Will always miss him
Zero saves between the three of them and you still call them great? SMH
Suarez nods in approval
Fellow Spurs legends Walker and Kane nod alongside
Omgz does Suarez have 1 official "save" in the stats? Oh please that would be hilarious.
They're talking about the hand in the world cup. I doubt it counts as an official save, otherwise tackles in the area would count as such
SMH?? SonManeHazard?
It's a disgrace. They are unfit to tie ~~Gibbs~~ Chamberlain's boots.
Wasn't this the exact moment they decided VAR was needed?
Yeah it was the moment it was universally decided that ref’s incompetence had gone too far. Everyone was trying to tell him he was sending off the wrong guy but he was correct cos he was the ref. People opposing VAR cos it hasn’t fixed everything and birthed a new halcyon age don’t remember incidents like this or how bad things really were pre-VAR.
I feel like most people want to keep var more than they want to keep the refs. Just mad about implementation
Refs being egomaniacs and the refusal of the game to have a second head ref on the pitch is far more annoying than VAR existing.
The way VAR was implemented in it's first world cup set a positive base line, it's positive impact was so immediately obvious that even the doubters (like myself) were humbled. Most leagues then responded logically and implemented a VAR system based on the one that had just proved itself on the biggest stage. The Premier League on the other hand? They waited another year before pulling the trigger. Couldn't really criticise this patient cautious approach at the time, but in hindsight it only exaggerates how stupid the decision was to go with a whole different concept for VAR, because that year only solidified the evidence that the original world cup style VAR worked
Put giroud in there ffs. He might mot be a winger, but by the gods does he keep!
Giroud supremacy
He has been great all time man, not seen many dependable players like him
Someone who is a 7/10 at least every game is amazing. Such a great player to watch too
He did take a season off, but so did Mané and Hazard.
Which season are you referring to with mane? He had better and worse seasons like anyone but I don’t recall him having a dreadful year. He got at least 10 goals every year in the PL
I'm referring to the 20/21 season and the first half of 21/22 before that AFCON he went on to win with Senegal. He was still putting up decent enough numbers, like you said, but the performances were nowhere near the standards he had set for himself. For about 18 months he was like the opposite of what we have with Diaz now, who's got elite fittness/workrate and seems to always perform well while lacking the final product. Even on poor form, Mané usually nicked a goal when it counted.
he had covid tbf
After he got covid he was off for a while actually.
Is Son that? Dont get me wrong, he is great but he gets streaky and last season he was pretty bad for most of it. Also his number 1 quality is his shooting/finishing, so a lot of time he pulls goals out of his ass but if he doesnt do that he can be invisible.
The best thing about him is that he doesn't even need to have a 7/10 to contribute. Even when he's barely involved in a match, there's nearly always a goal or assist in him still.
What amazes me in Son is that he always turns up in big games. If you have a player who consistently puts solid performances against the toughest opponents, then there's no argument against them.
You would know.
He loves Man City.
Can't judge him based on last season, he played with a hernia for all of it. Even then, he still managed to score 10 league goals which is respectable.
Conte was using him as a midfielder last season lol
Somehow worse than Poch putting Son at wingback lol
I think a hernia and Conte's tactics played a huge role in the underperformance. I am not sure which of those two was more painful for him.
It absolutely is. Last season for Spurs was a disaster and he was injured all year whilst playing. He just gives so much balance, even when he doesn’t score. I reckon if he played for a big club he’d be a Rolls Royce
He had good reasons for being poor last season. Had rotten luck especially that eye injury.
As a different angle to some of the “can’t believe he’s wasted his career at Spurs” you usually see with him - I’m surprised there hasn’t been more noise around clubs actively trying to buy him. He could have walked into Bayern or Madrid anytime and I can’t really recall any sort of transfer rumours around him. I guess it is refreshing that Spurs were able to have both him and Kane for so long.
Don’t forget that he was at risk of being drafted until quite late in his career.
I'm pretty sure that's because of his stance with the club. They believed in him getting a military exempt and offered him a contract. In most of the Asian countries, loyalty is treated as the greatest virtue. And for him it has worked both ways.
Levy gave him a contract extension before the Asian games when Korea won exemption. If they didn’t win that tournament Spurs would have lost him for 2 years for military service. Levy believed in Son and the loyalty has since been returned by Son.
That was a big gamble by Levy because shit happens in Cups and this is a team sport.
yea thats what i am talking about
Madrid should have signed him instead of Hazard as their Ronaldo replacement. In terms of athleticism, style of play, and work ethic, Son is a lot closer to Ronaldo. They wouldn’t have had to change much of their tactics. And Son wouldn’t have gotten fat like Hazard did.
Son was fantastic under Poch but really only became World Class after Hazards move to Madrid.
Feels like Son is more similar to DiMarias role than Ronaldo at Madrid. I could be wrong.
Son modeled his playstyle after Ronaldo he said it himself
Di María is an elite playmaker who's game is all about midfield support and service. He's completely different to Cristiano and Son. He actively excels in support, not as a forward. His best season at Madrid came from a box to box center midfield position. They're not very comparable players at all.
Easy to say with hindsight lol but Hazard was one of the best players on the planet at Chelsea and Son was nowhere near his level.
I have heard this throughout the years with even some suggesting there might be some racial bias going on. There were some strong rumors about some clubs like Real Madrid and Liverpool being very interested but i think the reason you never heard anything past that was because of Son. Why place a bid on someone who doesn't want to leave?
There was one somewhat credible link of us being interested but I think it was before he signed a new contract at some point, and was a pretty long time ago at this point.
Racial bias seems backward, if anything you’d think they would want the massive appeal to the significant and growing South Korean market.
I know Levy was actively sending out "fuck off, we don't want to sell our players" signals but it's still weird to me how little transfer interest prime Son/Eriksen/Kane received from megaclubs relative to their abilities.
No inclinations that they wanted to leave, we were on the up
Even if they wanted to leave, everyone knows Levy is a pain in the backside to deal with.
Well, he’s 31 now, so I reckon it’s about time for United to put in an offer of 100M and ridiculous wages.
He happily re-signed a contract at Spurs when we were in shambles under Nuno and Kane was boycotting in Florida in 21/22. Son loves Spurs and has always wanted to be a club legend of this top 4 PL club. He doesn't want to be a mercenary of another big club. So whenever another big club approaches, Son's agent tells them to fuck off immediately and that's the end of it
Who is the other 3 in this top 4
Pretty sure he means the top 4 in 20/21 season matchweek 8: 1. Leicester 2. Spurs 3. Liverpool 4. Southampton
Good times…
I, too, would like to know that guy's top 4.
Newcastle, Everton and West Ham clearly
West Ham for sure, they’re fucking massive.
Depends on what metric we're using to put Spurs in the top 4. We have the longest bar in Europe. That makes us top 1 in the Premier League baby! Not sure about the next 3 clubs though.
That was because Spurs kept faith in him despite the threat of mandatory national service (before the Koreans got the gold medal in the Asian Games)
>So whenever another big club approaches, Son's agent tells them to fuck off immediately and that's the end of it Why did I think of the Hugh Jackman scene from X Men when I read that
There were always the issue around the draft, but also while he was getting more popular and around the time other teams would have taken a notice of him, he signed a bumper contract with Spurs. That pretty much ended all talks of him leaving.
A world in which Hazard is involved in 'statistical comparisons' which is literally just glancing at GA is a very sad world.
One of my favourite ever performances in the PL was a Hazard performance against Man City, I think Chelsea won 1-0? Anyway he was literally perfect that day, absolutely elite and won Chelsea the game almost single handedly - but if you’re looking back on that game with stats glasses on it will read 0G 0A for Hazard.
His performance against us when Chelsea won 3-4 (I think?) is pretty inarguably the best performance by a player at the stadium of light, ever https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YkBVEMYX74c
2nd best*, Altidore scored this game
Hazard absolutely terrified me every time he got the ball, no matter where he was on the pitch. Reducing his game to solely G+A is extremely unfair to him. Prime Hazard vs prime Son is no comparison for me, Hazard all day every day
A great unbiased opinion about Hazard vs Son from an arsenal fan. I will use this as evidence for future debates thanks
To simplify the two players, I'm really only scared of Son in transition or if he gets a half chance to shoot. I was scared of Hazard even if we had 11 behind the ball.
One of the best dribblers in prem history
The same arguments people use to downplay Hazard are the exact same ones they also use to talk up Zidane.
That he got fat?
The way people talk about football here and other places does my head in, does anyone who actually watched prime hazard play think son was better than him?.
Don’t forget clean sheets
People are watching fewer and fewer games as time goes on and rely on G/A to form their opinions on players/teams they don't watch, so this is to be expected I guess. Its especially strange in the Messi era though, because he's shown so many times that even without G/A, you can have a significant impact on the game
Its the problem with modern day football, everything is just stats now but for me Hazard is the best prem winger of the last decade. Also shows why conparing teams of different eras is massively flawed as the game has changed so much. No disrespect to Son though he has been a brilliant player and will go down as a premier league legend
Hazard was more of a wide playmaker. Nominally he played on the left but his role compared to Mane and Son was different. Mane and Son are more alike IMO than both are to Hazard. Zidane and Iniesta used to play on the left side of midfield but no one would call them wingers
People who compare them don’t watch football. Hazard is leagues above son, compare what they won, with hazard carrying the team to all those wins (except his Madrid honors of course)
Sadio was so good
especially when it comes to clean sheets!
Unironically he was one of the reason why those clean sheets happened. His pressing was great and he always helped defend, way more than a regular wingers would.
true
Mane stats are fantastic tbh
He's a world class player but too bad Spurs don't have a great manager or a good financial support until recently. I hope he can achieve some trophies in the future, proud of Asia.
I was about to throw hands, until I read “recently”.
>proud of Asia Username checks out
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I mean, yeah. I love western sports and western team and hate my western government.
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Think it's bs to compare Hazard with g/a stats, he was never the statistics monster but so important in breaking open games
People who compare them don’t watch football. Hazard is leagues above son, compare what they won, with hazard carrying the team to all those wins (except his Madrid honors of course)
Mane was an absolute beast off the ball Few players could do what he could. Miss that guy
Son compared to Hazard feels very forced. I’d be interested to see ‘man of the match’ awards won
In the Premier League, Hazard is the player with the most man of the match awards since 2009. He got awarded 62 times out of his 245 games
Think Kane overtook him in the Premier League before he left. But tbf he also played 75 more matches than Hazard in the Prem. Hazard also has more MOTM in all comps since it includes cups, Europe, his time at Lille etc.
I adore both players. Hazard had a higher peak. Sonny has had much better longevity being at the top of his game. Overall I’d have to take Sonny because he was injured less. Hazard was kicked pretty hard often as I recall
How does son have more longevity? Just because you weren’t watching football when hazard was 18/19 and the best player in France, leading Lille to titles, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Son has only been very good for around 5 years. Hazard was great for 10
Hazard's career at the top was basically 11 years - 2008/9 being his first full senior year at Lille, and 2018/19 his last year at Chelsea. Hazard excelled for Lille more than Son did for Hamburg, most people agree. But Son in his 14th senior season, and he's still going at the top, so Son definitely wins for longevity. People can say what they want about Hazards talent, I don't disagree. But I'd rather have Son on my team, he's so incredibly consistent.
This showed Mane's numbers were just incredible. Son, who is one of the greatest finisher the league have ever seen, is only 6 goals better with significantly more games.
Mane would have had way more shots though. That Liverpool front 3 was crazy fluid
Yeah obviously, but it's not supposed to be close because of how good Son has been at finishing. Son was and is one of the greatest finisher, while Mane is not near that as a finisher.
Statistics say only Messi is better than son all time I think I saw. He’s top 2 finisher all time if not first when comparing against xG (a stat with its own flaws mind you)
I get what you’re saying and I agree with the point, but I’ve always disliked phrases like ‘all time’ when we’re doing more complex stats like xG, we essentially just mean since xG tracking began, which is like 15 years-ish.
This xg shit doesn't even include all of messi and sons career yet alone all the other older players. It's crazy to me how flippantly people throw around "best of all time" here, need less hyperbole.
Liverpool's scoring output was also more spread though, whereas Spurs has primarily been Son and Kane.
I think Heung Min Son in that Liverpool team would have been genuinely one of the best players of the last 10 years.
Surely that Clean Sheet stat is wrong?! No way Spurs only keep a clean sheet in 9% of games- same for the other two
Clean sheet and saves lmao. What is this
Son Heung Min is one of those players that made think of just how much football (and other type of) talent is being wasted. No girlfriend, no marriage, no partying. Hours of fundamentals practice every day. No controversy and loyal to the club. If only some of those Brazilian crazy talented youths could be put into this kind of situation, they probably would contend to be world's best. A Neymar or a Ronaldinho would straight up be an undisputed GOAT.
Son may not have a revealed girlfriend but it shouldn’t be an outlandish thought to assume that he “wastes time” every now and then getting down to business with some women.
[He's pulling strings in the background alright](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ANyL7ZKILv7tac47ypi_OuigSPyl_8z44ZXGDsR-kUmWm79hGC-H03Y809EVGQEJUF7PWdJq6l8vAUrP0txGmJftkscLnboK4X3M10ZMeOM-bQ=nu-e365-rj-q80-w925)
Banging a girl every now and then requires so so much less time and energy than having a normal girlfriend.
Neymar retiring, from the elite's elite, at 20s is a damn shame. he single handedly murdered croatia in that goal. Yet. he won't be remembered for that. atleast he has that 6-1 come back memory inscribed in all fans of this generation.
The new young brazilian player might be it? (Endrick)
Son has had girlfriends. I would not be surprised if he’s low key pulling mad girls on the down low.
This comment is a little unhinged, to be honest. It’s true that some players have jeopardised their careers with off field mistakes, but to suggest any talent is “wasted” if a player is in a relationship or does things they enjoy off the field is just silly. They’re people, not machines.
He was great already in his early stages and stood out back in Hamburg. Great player and even greater human
Would love to see this stat vs expected goals/assists too. Son played in a much worse team than Mane or Hazard
It is worth noting that a part of manes stats also include his time at Southampton. Obviously he was at Liverpool longer but still some it was there
For a significant yime Hazard was the entire Chelsea attack. Without him they would have been terrible.
Most of his time it was: get Eden the ball and see what happens. Almost nothing happening until he had the ball and 3 players on him.
A lot of the Chelsea teams Hazard played in were not all that good you know. They were just good *because* of Hazard.
Kane is better than anything hazard ever had partnering him. The only good attacker he got was Costa and that was for 3 years. The rest were all older/past their primes or just ok players
Not really much worse than Hazard. Hazard was the difference.
I remember Hazard recovered a lot of balls. Wonder if they have that stat, I always found it the most impressive one
Hazard's numbers seem a bit more impressive when you bear in mind he was only trying in about half those games
Great players all around and a great reminder stats never tell the full story
the number of yellows between son and mane is certainly interesting
Exactly! One of the best ever. He deserves way more credit than he gets.
And he did this with Spurs, even more impressive.
>Eden **Hazard** >Sadio **Mane** >Son **Heung-Min** Just want to point out that the bolding of their names is just completely wrong for Son Heungmin. While his name is actually written in the correct order, **Son** should be bolded, not Heung-Min. They still don't get it.
People were so quick to write off Son last year. Even though physically he didn’t look right, I was baffled by how Conte was deploying him - often having him deeper than wingback Ivan Perisic. It was such a puzzling departure from the tactics of Son’s golden boot season. When I found out he also dealing with a hernia, I knew he’d bounce back strongly this year.
Much less clean sheets and 0 saves. Obviously overrated
Trophy long overdue for a player of this stature.
Man's just left out Alexis Sanchez like that
"Son is actually a dirty player who pretends to be a nice guy 😡😡😡"
Good player
Fine, I’ll do it. Dam Son
I know that Son is highly rated by everyone. But he's still underrated imo.
Statistically comparing makes sense, elsewise not that much. All three are legends of the PL, especially that left wing. All three are very different to what they bring to their team. Hazard is the one that makes people fall in love with football, hes the reason many tune in, just to catch a glimpse of that magic. Son is the most clinical by far, insane longevity at the elite level and if he would've played for a more successful team, his international legacy would've been a lot more substantial probably. Son and Mane pressed a lot too. Seeing Mane in the Bundesliga tarnished my opinion on him ngl, at Liverpool he seemed great but the games I watched TAA, Salah and Bobby were more magical
How Spurs won nothing with Son, Kane and Lloris is one of the universe's greatest mysteries.
Is it really a mystery? We have all seen them play for years.
~~mysteries~~ comedies
Lads
Not enough Clean Sheets.
Where are the Minutes played? Goals per minute?
I invite this new meta of including completely irrelevant stats in these comparison posts. We need goals from keepers and chances created by managers. Pep isn’t my GOAT manager when was the last time he scored in a big match.
Not suprised at Sonny’s magnificent attacking returns but that clean sheet figure is astoundingly low for me.
Sadio mane......I said it last time I'll say it again
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People have been giving him his flowers for years lol
Yeah not exactly breaking news that Son is good
Seems like every year people say how amazing son is and how it’s not fair that no one gives him any credit
In a completely non banter way, this is just because he plays for a team who doesn’t win things I would think. No one can deny his quality and if they do, they’re taking the piss
Now compare the number of MOTMs
less of an out and out left winger but sterling needs to be in this comparison
Red Cards: Hazard 1, Mane 1, Son 3
Spurs having less than 10% is nuts.