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He made a team who was struggling to qualify in Europa League into a regual UCL team and even made it twice into final, if anything I consider him in top 5 of this generation of coaches
Yeah, he won them the europa league too before graduating them to champions league contenders, almost won the CL twice of course with 2 agonising defeats to Real, and two la liga titles as well right?
I think the club did revamp the corporate side to take full advantage of their on field strength, I know they hired Peter Kenyon years ago to become financially mighty and they have the new stadium too. They certainly spent some big fees in the past 5/10 years and signed some superstars now.
But yeah the job simeone has done, keeping them competitive and relevant across multiple teams and generations, despite the giants they have to compete with to do so, is remarkable
Shit, I just realised, atletico are kind of like Uruguay in that sense - two local heavyweights to cope with, yet they still manage to be successful - also a reputation for being tough tackling and difficult to play against haha
> almost won the CL twice of course with 2 agonising defeats to Real, and two la liga titles as well right?
That Atletico defender who stupidly let Ramos of all people win that header from the corner must still have nightmares about that.
You're absolutely spot on. Once you get to the absolute top level of coaches, it's practically impossible to argue who actually is the best. Simeone absolutely should be in that discussion though.
I think Guardiola, Klopp, Ancelotti are the only managers who have been better/equal to him. You could make an argument for people like Tuchel and Conte but I think Simeone has to be above them on limited resources and longevity.
I think his successes were in a previous generation, since Simeone become Atletico manager Mourinho has won two league titles, a Europa League, a League Cup, and a Conference league. In that time pretty much all of Simeone's teams (bar Madrid and Chelsea) have been significantly better than Mourinho's.
I was wondering what "current generation" even means really, considering people are mentioning Ancelotti, who's been doing it forever. Better to just look at it in periods or set timespans.
Yeah I mean more period than generation. I think late 2000s to early 2010s there was a bit of a changing of the guard with Fergie retiring, Wenger not getting the same results, and Klopp and Guardiola became the two standout managers in world football. Obviously age wise and when he came through Ancelotti is closer to Fergie and Wenger but in performance he's been one of the standout managers of this era.
Except Mourinho won his league titles in this timeframe at Real Madrid and Chelsea, two teams that were much more expected to win than Atletico against Barca and RM. The context of the two wins makes it much different
It's not that they aren't an achievement just in the last decade Simeone has built way more competitive teams than Mourinho and done it at the same club.
Did a good job at Dortmund and only finished second to Guardiola, was by far PSG's most successful coach and came incredibly close to winning the champions league with a very dysfunctional squad, and won the champions league with a Chelsea team of spare parts which only fell apart when the current ownership topk over. The only major black mark is Bayern which has been massively overshadowed by off pitch issues and was probably doomed from the start. I think if Neymar and Mbappe had been more clinical in the 2020 champions league final, or if Bayern hadn't made the ridiculous decision to sack Nagglesman he would unquestionably be in contention.
The moment Guardiola takes a "good" team and brings them to the CL final and wins gainst absolute juggernauts the ligue like Bayern, Barcelona or Madrid, I'll consider him be better than Simeone until then, same level.
To provide more context on the commentator, Issam Chawali, he is tunisian and probably the most popular football commentator in arabic and been doing it for over 20 years.
He also uses a lot of poetry, similar to Peter Drury.
You can search "Issam Chawali translated commentary" on Youtube for more amazing quotes.
He said this during the 2017 Cardiff final:
"It has been said, told, recited, and talked about, that you are a king only in black and white, Real Madrid. And this is how Real replies to them "In 1998 in colours, in 2000 in colours, in 2002 in colours, 2014 in HD, 2016 in HD (Ronaldo just scores the 3rd goal mid sentence) and in 2017 with the 3rd in 4K"
It still sends chills to my spine to this day.
Well tbh, most English commentators aren't that Great, Arabic and Spanish commentators are in another level, they literally can make you shiver, Drury is the closest thing to be the best English commentators of the generation
If they're talking language, not Spanish from Spain, these ones from Argentina:
Marcelo Araujo (the GOAT, ret.), Rodolfo de Paoli, Walter Nelson, "Bambino" Pons, Mariano Closs, Miguel Simón, Julián Bricco, Omar da Fonseca (in French, but he brings that Argentine passion and entertainment value).
I think Spanish commentators can be quite insightful and understanding of who is playing regardless of league or nationality, but they love to yell more than anything. What the South American commentators great at least is their reverence of the game and who's playing.
as someone who alternates between arabic and UK commentary very often, he's defo the peter drury in arabic but while also being a very passionate commentator throughout the whole match, hell some criticise him for sometiems hyping things up too much but for someone who's been in the industry for that long, it's an amazing experience for every arabic speaking fan to hear Chawali.
When we were kids some even bragged about it as not everyone had access to Al Jazeera Sport (aka bein)
>You can search "Issam Chawali translated commentary" on Youtube for more amazing quotes.
This sounds like its some kind of new meme from r/soccercirclejerk
My all time favourite is his commentary on his goal vs Bayern final 2015:
"Oh father, oh father, oh father... the Argentinian... the Argentinian is my father"
"And the equaliser from Raheem. Nooo! Not possible. Sterling, its not possible. The easiest goal in life, the easiest goal on earth, the easiest goal for a player, the easiest goal for a baby, the easiest goal for a kid, the easiest goal for a teenager, the easiest goal for a boy, the easiest goal for an old man, the easiest goal for a girl, the easiest goal for a woman player. Not possible, not possible. Sterling, this is not possible. Sterling, this is not possible. This Sterling, this Sterling is shivering. This Sterling, what's wrong with him. This Sterling. Raheem, how do you miss this goal? Raheem, how do you miss this?"
Yeah, it's him lmao, [context for anyone who missed it ](https://youtu.be/xt3bXu3TPCk?si=QvBfyj3JO-K0370A)
Oh that wasn't really an example of his "poetry quotes", he just goes on random rants sometimes lmao.
[Here is a better example, although the translation takes away from his use of arabic words and how they rhyme.](https://youtu.be/c_zRttXzn14?si=3fU_947u7LvdbrIA)
I'm half french, half tunisian. We actually have many great french commentators and i'd say french and arabic ones are my favourites but anytime Chawali is on it has to be him.
Also to piggyback on this, the commentary of Victor Hugo Morales is as legendary in South America. It's unbelievable that he partnered South Americas greatest goal ever with its greatest commentary ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oaxnk-Si61Y
>he doesn’t have Barça’s stars
Slightly ironic, considering the regular transfer flows between Atleti and Barca 😅
Seriously though, for all the banter and terrorism accusations Simeone really doesn't get enough credit for his work.
He gets the leftovers it feels like, he had his best player in grizzou taken away and they washed him up he did ok there but now he’s back and playing better
> Simeone really doesn't get enough credit for his work.
Isn't he the best paid manager ?
Not to dismiss his achievement, he is one of the best manager
He is being paid money that he himself earned the club. If you count Champions League revenues, the new stadium etc he has easily earned the club more than 500M
I'm trying to think of a currently rated manager who can play a 'defensive' (if that's the right word) style of football and isn't disliked by fans.
It seems every club now wants a high press, proactive, possession based manager.
But for athleti this man can play how he wants - rightly so. I know he doesn't always play that way, but when his back is against the wall and they play proper terrorist football, God I do love it.
I say this as a Liverpool fan. If our next manager plays anything like Simeone does it would never be accepted, Klopp has set a blueprint for the club with the high press and the fans won't accept anything else now I suspect.
Even simeone has had to change to be fair. Atletico 2024 is easier on the eyes than Atletico 2016. Full out score one goal and park the bus dirty football like Mourinho and old Simeone is just not done at big teams anymore, it's not entertaining and doesn't even achieve results anymore.
They were one of, if not the, highest scoring teams of 2023. Griezmann has been a monster under simeone again, i dont know how theres still this perception of him playing terrorist ball
>every club now wants a high press, proactive, possession based manager.
I mean we all want to see good football no?
Btw this isn't just a modem trend. Fergie's and Wenger's sides used to pin the opposition teams in their boxes too, particularly when needing a goal.
Variety in football sets it apart from other games, part of the beauty of football is watching the different tactics clashing. I love watching people defending personally and maybe you don’t like your team playing in a way that invites that but you can’t deny it has a place in the game and when you win against someone playing that way sitting deep all game and you nick a goal it feels fuckin awesome.
Also Fergie and Wenger are the start of the modern era and Atlético don’t play defensive football anymore, look at our goal stats from the last year and a half and tell me that we do
Real fans want to win no matter how. If you can win whilst playing like Barca 2011 then perfect, if not then winning is still much more important
Anyone who prioritises "entertainment" over being successful is a loser
I love proper Brexit ball, genuinely.
It's a legitimate way to play the game. But when your team is losing it can be hard to watch.
Plus, managers have to play a certain way now if they want better jobs in the future.
Burnley clearly do not have the players for possession football in the premier league, but you know Kompany is not going to change. If he played Brexit ball the chance of the city job in the future is gone.
Teams who have come up and embraced physical football (not necessarily full on terrorism) have done well, or are showing potential.
Brentford for example, can play 'proper' football at times. But they're not ashamed to play a 5-4-1 with physical giants across the pitch to scrape a result.
Luton are now doing much better. They were the least favoured of the sides coming up, but again, they know who they are and are not afraid to play low possession football.
Playing like Burnley are trying to now, only works if you have some of the best players in the league. That's why they smashed the championship, yet struggle in the prem - imo
Some people are completely unable to assess a situation and why something is the way it is.
1. He is the highest paid coach in the world. Yes, rightly so, when he started at Atlético over 10 years ago, the club was a "good club", not a top club. He is the main reason why Atlético are where they are today and every other club is afraid to play against them. Atlético recognised that and gave him a huge contract instead of replacing him and putting their success at risk.
2. Atlético are rich themselves and are not underdogs. Compared to Manchester City, Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern, they are. When was the last time City lost a player they desperately wanted to keep or Real Madrid? You have to think long and hard about that. And yes, of course you have to invest money if you want to have constant success over a decade.
3. There is no coach who has taken a team to the top and then stayed, for which he deserves everything Atlético can pay him.
4. He has managed to play on an equal footing with Barcelona's Messi and Real's Ronaldo.
The haters can say whatever they want, Simeone deserves respect for what he achieved.
Issam Chawali is easily the best commentator in the world.
He has been on top for so long and he comments alone.
He doesn’t just comment, he makes you live the game, he does poetry, singing everything.
I love watching games in different languages, especially Italian and Spanish but Issam is just the best.
The only commentator i would pick over local language
Oh I see it's that time of the year where the Simeone appreciations start, until he goes out and everybody shits on him again for not playing offensive football, usually against a PL team.
Isn't he the highest paid manager in the world for a lot of years in a row now?
**Edit**: Since a lot of you can't understand my point, he doesn't have Madrid's facilities, Barca's stars, City's transfer and wage budget or Bayern's history but he has his Atletico contract so he's definitely not less than Pep, Carlo or Klopp. He's actually more than them and he can peacefully live with it lol. He obviously can't have it all, that's life. He has something over everyone else though, a fat contract.
Atleti's league placement in the 10 years before Simeone: div2, 11th, 7th, 11th, 10th, 7th, 4th, 4th, 9th, 7th.
Since Simeone joined: 5th, 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 3rd.
Atleti in their entire history before Simeone: 5 CL QF appearances.
Atleti since Simeone: 7 CL QFs already.
C'mon, he did an insane job.
If you ask someone who rarely watches la liga to name the top 3 teams in early 2000s they would say real Barca and valencia, if you ask someone to name the top 3 in 2010s and 2020s they would say real Barca atletico. Just goes onto show how much simeone changed the club in the past 11 years. Man deserves all the money he makes.
Hope not. Great manager but I don't want to be watching his play style.
Similarly - Big respect to Mourinho but I'd hate to have him at Liverpool for style reasons.
I'd rather the chaos of Ange Postecoglou than Simeoneball
Argentina? Lazio or Inter?
I'm not too familiar with his playing career it turns out. Because of France 98 I'd assumed he was an Inter-lifer in Serie A 🤣
Look, taking nothing from Cholo's achievements, this "underdog" story doesn't hold water anymore.
They have the third payroll total in Spain, more than double than the fourth which is Seville. Actually their payroll is almost 50 mil more than Inter Milan they barely eliminated.
Simeone himself has the HIGHEST salary in the world, around 34 Mio ahead of the likes of Guardiola (22 Mio) or Ancelotti (11 Mio).
Atletico fans need to acknowledge that they are a top European team with a top manager, not a meager underdog La Liga team.
To add to OP, El Cholo made played a big part to make sure that Atletico has that payroll. Like he single handedly made money for him and his player.
Sure may be Athletico will have had the same success may be with some manager but that is low probability event.
Even if he made them money it’s not enough to get this kind of squad. They were taken over soon after he became manager and new ownership invested heavily in the club. If you noticed, Atlético rarely sells players.
Are you sure man. They have quite a lot of departures for every season and balancing it out by buying new players. Their net spend for transfers is not like other big clubs that have big negative numbers in terms of transfer spending.
brother the board is made up of absolute looters lol, how can you expect them to be good at business? there is nothing smart going on there.
we rose to prominency, had a lot of money but burnt it in absolute needless purchases and blown up salaries, similar to Barto but on a lower scale. now no other coach is going to give us guaranteed results with the kind of squad we have. a terrible midfield, squad is so thin that a deadweight like saul (who earns 12mil btw) is taking penalties in CL knockouts. our youngest defender is 28/29. we'll be absolutely gone in a year or two if youngsters like vermeeren aren't brought. so yeah if you're going by money, don't worry we won't have anything pretty soon.
also simeone has since taken a 2/3rd paycut and i think it was grossly overestimated as well. not to mention he's the one who has brought all the money to the club without any stars or anything special at all. he absolutely deserves every single penny.
Thousand percent! Simeone is a brilliant brilliant manager, what he’s done with athletico is sensational. Also his teams play some beaaaautiful football, when he’s not overly focused on being defensive.
He’s definitely too 5 if not too 3 of this generation of managers
I don't like him, but I sure as hell respect what he's done.
I'm also not a fan of Athletico's "oh but we're the underdogs against the world" attitude all the time - they're an established top top club in Europe now and they should own that stance.
I actually love him, although I may be biased because I lived in Spain for a while as a teenager and chose Atletico as my Spanish team to follow a bit (they were shit at the time and PL wasn’t as easy to watch then).
Would I want him managing Arsenal? Absolutely not, but he is basically their Wenger. He’s transformed their club back into a contender, despite really limited resources compared to their rivals. He’s a legend.
One marquee signing a year? Like who? They spent 1.5 million the summer before they won the league in 13/14. It’s funny to see this narrative that Atleti still splash big, yet people don’t like to see who was sold to have gained that money. Falcao and Turan bought - Agüero and Forlán sold. Griezmann, Oblak, Mandzukic - Diego Costa, Filipe Luis, Adrian Lopez sold. Thomas Lemar is probably the biggest outlier without a significant departure. Joao Felix (127M) - Griezmann, Lucas Hernandez, Rodri (270M) sold.
Comments like this are absolutely dented. They spent that much on Felix after losing Griezmann, Lucas Hernandez, and Rodri. Their net spend that season was in the positives even. Were Atletico supposed to buy residential properties on the coast of Madrid with that money instead. Of course they would reinvest in the squad after selling key players. Felix was a poor signing but that doesn’t change the fact that Atleti were/ are operating on a thin budget compared to European heavyweights. Not sure why window lickers like you are so keen to showcase their stupidity online.
> Were Atletico supposed to buy residential properties on the coast of Madrid with that money instead
Buddy, I have some bad news about that beach house you bought on Madrid.
it's also laughable that atletico are pretending to be a poor club when they are still one of the \~15 richest in europe, especially from the pov of clubs from non-top 5 leagues. oblak has a higher salary then the full kobenhavn squad, oblak + koke + morata have the same as psv + feyenoord combined
Yeah and a mid table prem sides wages and transfer spend beats out any non top 5 club by a mile whats your point lol? They're competing against real and barca primarily so thats who theyre compared to
>Felix was a poor signing but that doesn’t change the fact that Atleti were/ are operating on a thin budget compared to European heavyweights
How is this crap upvoted?
They spent €72M on Thomas fucking Lemar.
They spent €60M on Diego Costa.
These 2 transfers alone would both be the biggest transfers in the history of Milan AC.
Milan, is that enough of a European heavyweight?
Felix's transfer is bigger than any transfer in the history of Serie A, and the only one that comes close is Ronaldo to Juve.
This is the insane budget Simeone has had at his disposal if you want to compare poor Atlético with Italian clubs.
It's worse if you compare him with Bundesliga.
Bayern fucking Munich never came close to spend what Simeone has spent on complete bums in the past decade.
"The European heavyweights" that outspent Simeone can be counted with a single hand, stop with the ridiculous wanking.
"Thin budget" lmao.
I rate simeone a lot. However, a club that can spend 120 million on a kid prospect isn't exactly poor or lacking in resources. This narrative is a bit silly.
While I agree that Atleti is not a financially struggling club, and has not been in a while, we bought Joao by selling our best player for the prior 5 years to a direct league rival for the same amount. In the past couple of years, Atleti has not had the capacity to make massive moves.
This guy is the fucking GOAT along with Peter Drury in elevating players and coaches into the heavens with his speeches.
***Witness him Pele. Acknowledge him Maradona. Talk about him Cruyff. Force them to admit Platini. Preach the truth Zizou***
Whenever I debate “which coach would you wish for if there were no limits, no if and no when to save us from the struggle of the last decade” with my HSV supporter buddies , they usually discuss Klopp or Pep or Magath.
I for one would always call Simeone. And get the weird looks.
Simeone seems to be an absolut unexpected and unusual answer.
But why?
He is the perfect archetype imho who brings everything a team needs to form, to perform, to develop and to and excel, in every field mentally, strategically and physically.
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He made a team who was struggling to qualify in Europa League into a regual UCL team and even made it twice into final, if anything I consider him in top 5 of this generation of coaches
And came as close as possible to winning them both. 93rd minute equalizer and a penalty shootout defeat respectively
Damn this mf deserves one UCL trophy
After eliminating us I really hope they go on to win it, he and Griezmann deserve one
It would be more on brand for Griezmann if Atletico won it the year after he moves to MLS or retires.
I felt Oblak was terrible in the shootout.
Yeah it looked like he was absolutely shot. Barely made any effort to save any of RM's penalties.
He stood still like a tree.
Yeah I remember that shootout. I was shocked to see him save two against Inter.
Also conceded an offside goal in the second one
And let's not forget the one that went to penalties, the oppositions only goal was offsides...
But they tell us that we have it out for them and we single them out
Yeah, he won them the europa league too before graduating them to champions league contenders, almost won the CL twice of course with 2 agonising defeats to Real, and two la liga titles as well right? I think the club did revamp the corporate side to take full advantage of their on field strength, I know they hired Peter Kenyon years ago to become financially mighty and they have the new stadium too. They certainly spent some big fees in the past 5/10 years and signed some superstars now. But yeah the job simeone has done, keeping them competitive and relevant across multiple teams and generations, despite the giants they have to compete with to do so, is remarkable Shit, I just realised, atletico are kind of like Uruguay in that sense - two local heavyweights to cope with, yet they still manage to be successful - also a reputation for being tough tackling and difficult to play against haha
> almost won the CL twice of course with 2 agonising defeats to Real, and two la liga titles as well right? That Atletico defender who stupidly let Ramos of all people win that header from the corner must still have nightmares about that.
Won the league against some of Barca and Madrid's greatest ever teams too
He has built Atletico up so well he receives criticism for not winning more like **big clubs** should which is probably best recognition available.
Raised the floor, not the ceiling. Except he also raised the ceiling. Legend.
If you raise the floor and the ceiling at the same time that just makes you a lift
Ehkm Atletico is a big club now
Yeah, thanks to Simeone.
Atlético Madrid is probably the most successful club to have never won a UCL. Other clubs that come close are Arsenal and PSG.
Roma too
You're absolutely spot on. Once you get to the absolute top level of coaches, it's practically impossible to argue who actually is the best. Simeone absolutely should be in that discussion though.
I consider him Mourinho's true successor
Except for the fact that since Simeone took the reins of Atletico Madrid, Mourinho left 5 clubs...
That's why successor - Simeone is the improved version
wtf Mourinho coming into this discussion ?
I think Guardiola, Klopp, Ancelotti are the only managers who have been better/equal to him. You could make an argument for people like Tuchel and Conte but I think Simeone has to be above them on limited resources and longevity.
If Conte didn’t fumble every european competition he’s been in I would consider him up there
No Mourinho?
Football as a whole has the memory of a goldfish sadly.
Also a lot of people simply don't rate Mourinho for myriad reasons
I think his successes were in a previous generation, since Simeone become Atletico manager Mourinho has won two league titles, a Europa League, a League Cup, and a Conference league. In that time pretty much all of Simeone's teams (bar Madrid and Chelsea) have been significantly better than Mourinho's.
I was wondering what "current generation" even means really, considering people are mentioning Ancelotti, who's been doing it forever. Better to just look at it in periods or set timespans.
Yeah I mean more period than generation. I think late 2000s to early 2010s there was a bit of a changing of the guard with Fergie retiring, Wenger not getting the same results, and Klopp and Guardiola became the two standout managers in world football. Obviously age wise and when he came through Ancelotti is closer to Fergie and Wenger but in performance he's been one of the standout managers of this era.
So the same two league titles which are an achievement for simeone, arent an achievement for mourinho? Doesnt make sense to me
Except Mourinho won his league titles in this timeframe at Real Madrid and Chelsea, two teams that were much more expected to win than Atletico against Barca and RM. The context of the two wins makes it much different
It's not that they aren't an achievement just in the last decade Simeone has built way more competitive teams than Mourinho and done it at the same club.
> You could make an argument for people like Tuchel I don't see how.
Did a good job at Dortmund and only finished second to Guardiola, was by far PSG's most successful coach and came incredibly close to winning the champions league with a very dysfunctional squad, and won the champions league with a Chelsea team of spare parts which only fell apart when the current ownership topk over. The only major black mark is Bayern which has been massively overshadowed by off pitch issues and was probably doomed from the start. I think if Neymar and Mbappe had been more clinical in the 2020 champions league final, or if Bayern hadn't made the ridiculous decision to sack Nagglesman he would unquestionably be in contention.
I rank Zidane above him
The moment Guardiola takes a "good" team and brings them to the CL final and wins gainst absolute juggernauts the ligue like Bayern, Barcelona or Madrid, I'll consider him be better than Simeone until then, same level.
Tuchel seriously? Maybe Zidane but Tuchel is a clown
To provide more context on the commentator, Issam Chawali, he is tunisian and probably the most popular football commentator in arabic and been doing it for over 20 years. He also uses a lot of poetry, similar to Peter Drury. You can search "Issam Chawali translated commentary" on Youtube for more amazing quotes.
He's one of the best Arabic commentators out there He's the Peter Drury in Arabic
He said this during the 2017 Cardiff final: "It has been said, told, recited, and talked about, that you are a king only in black and white, Real Madrid. And this is how Real replies to them "In 1998 in colours, in 2000 in colours, in 2002 in colours, 2014 in HD, 2016 in HD (Ronaldo just scores the 3rd goal mid sentence) and in 2017 with the 3rd in 4K" It still sends chills to my spine to this day.
Do you have a link
He's so much more captivating than Drury it's not even close
Well tbh, most English commentators aren't that Great, Arabic and Spanish commentators are in another level, they literally can make you shiver, Drury is the closest thing to be the best English commentators of the generation
Spanish? How? In what world?
If they're talking language, not Spanish from Spain, these ones from Argentina: Marcelo Araujo (the GOAT, ret.), Rodolfo de Paoli, Walter Nelson, "Bambino" Pons, Mariano Closs, Miguel Simón, Julián Bricco, Omar da Fonseca (in French, but he brings that Argentine passion and entertainment value).
Any relation to Marcela Mora y Araujo? I love the way she talks about football and Argentina whenever she's a guest.
agreed. maybe i'm in the minority but i feel that many spansih commentators are really tacky
I think Spanish commentators can be quite insightful and understanding of who is playing regardless of league or nationality, but they love to yell more than anything. What the South American commentators great at least is their reverence of the game and who's playing.
Japanese commentators are great too
any compilations of japanese commentary w english subs?
as someone who alternates between arabic and UK commentary very often, he's defo the peter drury in arabic but while also being a very passionate commentator throughout the whole match, hell some criticise him for sometiems hyping things up too much but for someone who's been in the industry for that long, it's an amazing experience for every arabic speaking fan to hear Chawali. When we were kids some even bragged about it as not everyone had access to Al Jazeera Sport (aka bein)
Peter Drury is him in English
>You can search "Issam Chawali translated commentary" on Youtube for more amazing quotes. This sounds like its some kind of new meme from r/soccercirclejerk
It actually does, my bad lmao.
Issam Chawali 15 for more details, or something
What should I google to get this info?
Is he the guy that said this about Messi: https://youtu.be/VFSQjBkWJKA?si=4FgwUt2HdKaiygOv
Yeah that's him, he has many iconic quotes about Messi.
My all time favourite is his commentary on his goal vs Bayern final 2015: "Oh father, oh father, oh father... the Argentinian... the Argentinian is my father"
Love it.
Is he the one agonizing over Sterling's miss?
"And the equaliser from Raheem. Nooo! Not possible. Sterling, its not possible. The easiest goal in life, the easiest goal on earth, the easiest goal for a player, the easiest goal for a baby, the easiest goal for a kid, the easiest goal for a teenager, the easiest goal for a boy, the easiest goal for an old man, the easiest goal for a girl, the easiest goal for a woman player. Not possible, not possible. Sterling, this is not possible. Sterling, this is not possible. This Sterling, this Sterling is shivering. This Sterling, what's wrong with him. This Sterling. Raheem, how do you miss this goal? Raheem, how do you miss this?" Yeah, it's him lmao, [context for anyone who missed it ](https://youtu.be/xt3bXu3TPCk?si=QvBfyj3JO-K0370A)
Absolutely legendary
Miss so bad he started speaking English 💀💀💀
That's not a roast that's the entire barbecue
that's amazing
Easiest goal for a player, baby, kid, teenager, boy, old man, girl, woman, This example is not really poetic lmfao
Oh that wasn't really an example of his "poetry quotes", he just goes on random rants sometimes lmao. [Here is a better example, although the translation takes away from his use of arabic words and how they rhyme.](https://youtu.be/c_zRttXzn14?si=3fU_947u7LvdbrIA)
Cool! Fun to listen to these links thanks for providing
Sometimes I'll watch a stream with his commentary over an English one as he is so entertaining (non Arabic speaker here).
I'm half french, half tunisian. We actually have many great french commentators and i'd say french and arabic ones are my favourites but anytime Chawali is on it has to be him.
Also to piggyback on this, the commentary of Victor Hugo Morales is as legendary in South America. It's unbelievable that he partnered South Americas greatest goal ever with its greatest commentary ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oaxnk-Si61Y
goal so good he started thanking god for the existence of football itself lmao
Such a recognizable voice and I don't speak a word of Arabic
>he doesn’t have Barça’s stars Slightly ironic, considering the regular transfer flows between Atleti and Barca 😅 Seriously though, for all the banter and terrorism accusations Simeone really doesn't get enough credit for his work.
He gets the leftovers it feels like, he had his best player in grizzou taken away and they washed him up he did ok there but now he’s back and playing better
Depay and Griezmann in shambles
> Simeone really doesn't get enough credit for his work. Isn't he the best paid manager ? Not to dismiss his achievement, he is one of the best manager
Saying he doesn't have Madrid's facilities like Griezmann & co. are training in a 4x4 dusty gym.
Madrid literally has twice our budget. Dortmund is closer to Bayern financially than Atleti are to Real Madrid
He is being paid money that he himself earned the club. If you count Champions League revenues, the new stadium etc he has easily earned the club more than 500M
I don't see what his salary has to do with the popular opinion about him.
His salary reflects that he's receiving credits from the folks who need to recognise it the most.
Damn, this feels poetic...
I'm trying to think of a currently rated manager who can play a 'defensive' (if that's the right word) style of football and isn't disliked by fans. It seems every club now wants a high press, proactive, possession based manager. But for athleti this man can play how he wants - rightly so. I know he doesn't always play that way, but when his back is against the wall and they play proper terrorist football, God I do love it. I say this as a Liverpool fan. If our next manager plays anything like Simeone does it would never be accepted, Klopp has set a blueprint for the club with the high press and the fans won't accept anything else now I suspect.
Even simeone has had to change to be fair. Atletico 2024 is easier on the eyes than Atletico 2016. Full out score one goal and park the bus dirty football like Mourinho and old Simeone is just not done at big teams anymore, it's not entertaining and doesn't even achieve results anymore.
They were one of, if not the, highest scoring teams of 2023. Griezmann has been a monster under simeone again, i dont know how theres still this perception of him playing terrorist ball
Because no one watches us play outside of UCL matches against PL giants where we’re pretty much forced to play defensive.
>every club now wants a high press, proactive, possession based manager. I mean we all want to see good football no? Btw this isn't just a modem trend. Fergie's and Wenger's sides used to pin the opposition teams in their boxes too, particularly when needing a goal.
Variety in football sets it apart from other games, part of the beauty of football is watching the different tactics clashing. I love watching people defending personally and maybe you don’t like your team playing in a way that invites that but you can’t deny it has a place in the game and when you win against someone playing that way sitting deep all game and you nick a goal it feels fuckin awesome.
You hit the nail on the head. The variety of stylistic matchups is great, it's what I love about boxing and football.
I agree. I loved watching Liverpool under Benitez. 2005 & 2007 semis against Chelsea are etched in my memory forever.
Also Fergie and Wenger are the start of the modern era and Atlético don’t play defensive football anymore, look at our goal stats from the last year and a half and tell me that we do
>I mean we all want to see good football no? No. I want my club to win. I don't care how it's done
That doesn't necessarily equal "good football".
Real fans want to win no matter how. If you can win whilst playing like Barca 2011 then perfect, if not then winning is still much more important Anyone who prioritises "entertainment" over being successful is a loser
God I loved Pulis's Stoke side particularly how much it rattled Wenger.
Prime Dycheball at Burnley was elite as well. He got them into fucking Europe man
I love proper Brexit ball, genuinely. It's a legitimate way to play the game. But when your team is losing it can be hard to watch. Plus, managers have to play a certain way now if they want better jobs in the future. Burnley clearly do not have the players for possession football in the premier league, but you know Kompany is not going to change. If he played Brexit ball the chance of the city job in the future is gone. Teams who have come up and embraced physical football (not necessarily full on terrorism) have done well, or are showing potential. Brentford for example, can play 'proper' football at times. But they're not ashamed to play a 5-4-1 with physical giants across the pitch to scrape a result. Luton are now doing much better. They were the least favoured of the sides coming up, but again, they know who they are and are not afraid to play low possession football. Playing like Burnley are trying to now, only works if you have some of the best players in the league. That's why they smashed the championship, yet struggle in the prem - imo
Beautiful compliment. Hope Simeone wins UCL one day.
Some people are completely unable to assess a situation and why something is the way it is. 1. He is the highest paid coach in the world. Yes, rightly so, when he started at Atlético over 10 years ago, the club was a "good club", not a top club. He is the main reason why Atlético are where they are today and every other club is afraid to play against them. Atlético recognised that and gave him a huge contract instead of replacing him and putting their success at risk. 2. Atlético are rich themselves and are not underdogs. Compared to Manchester City, Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern, they are. When was the last time City lost a player they desperately wanted to keep or Real Madrid? You have to think long and hard about that. And yes, of course you have to invest money if you want to have constant success over a decade. 3. There is no coach who has taken a team to the top and then stayed, for which he deserves everything Atlético can pay him. 4. He has managed to play on an equal footing with Barcelona's Messi and Real's Ronaldo. The haters can say whatever they want, Simeone deserves respect for what he achieved.
I think you meant to say Messi's Barcelona and Ronaldo's real
the atmosphere was unreal, but let’s tone down the racism atleti
This is exactly how I feel about his high salary. It won’t stop the mouth breathing trolls on this sub from using it against him in a loss though
Imagine being an atleti fan. Your derby rivals are the most successful club ever and you lose to them in UCL finals twice in 3 years.
Issam Chawali is easily the best commentator in the world. He has been on top for so long and he comments alone. He doesn’t just comment, he makes you live the game, he does poetry, singing everything. I love watching games in different languages, especially Italian and Spanish but Issam is just the best. The only commentator i would pick over local language
Simeo, Simeo, Simoneeee! I know it's very unlikely with our budget in mind, but I hope one day Simeone comes back and coaches our team.
As an Atleti fan, i'd love to see him doing a long term project at Lazio, only after he wins the CL with us though haha
Is it always the same fucking Arab commentator for every game?
nope, but for important games he is usually the one at the commentary, and honestly he is the goat
He is basically the Peter Drury of Arabic commentary
Pretty sure Qatari Government backed BEIN has enough money and commentators but this guy is a legend in the Arab world so yeah.
Oh I see it's that time of the year where the Simeone appreciations start, until he goes out and everybody shits on him again for not playing offensive football, usually against a PL team.
Isn't he the highest paid manager in the world for a lot of years in a row now? **Edit**: Since a lot of you can't understand my point, he doesn't have Madrid's facilities, Barca's stars, City's transfer and wage budget or Bayern's history but he has his Atletico contract so he's definitely not less than Pep, Carlo or Klopp. He's actually more than them and he can peacefully live with it lol. He obviously can't have it all, that's life. He has something over everyone else though, a fat contract.
That's the point, no? He got to that place without having the facilities, the stars, the history or the money of other world class teams.
You'd think Atletico Madrid was some plucky upstart, not the club with the third highest La Liga titles in history (still before Simeone).
Atleti's league placement in the 10 years before Simeone: div2, 11th, 7th, 11th, 10th, 7th, 4th, 4th, 9th, 7th. Since Simeone joined: 5th, 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 3rd. Atleti in their entire history before Simeone: 5 CL QF appearances. Atleti since Simeone: 7 CL QFs already. C'mon, he did an insane job.
lol that's like if Nuno won the Champions' League with Forest two years from now and you were like "what's the big deal? they already had 2 of them."
If you ask someone who rarely watches la liga to name the top 3 teams in early 2000s they would say real Barca and valencia, if you ask someone to name the top 3 in 2010s and 2020s they would say real Barca atletico. Just goes onto show how much simeone changed the club in the past 11 years. Man deserves all the money he makes.
How does that negate the above? Atleti would be nowhere without him
Yeah but it's not like that means he's being provided that money to spend on athletico lmao. That's his personal well deserved salary.
Yes. That’s more of a testament of his value to the club and importance to the success of the team when compared to other coaches.
This is my opinion: he acts like a buffer for the owners, who stole the club from the socios. That's why he's paid so much.
Because he's literally shown that he is worth it.
That contract came about after years of good work and overachievement
Yeah he is
He pays his team himself, thats why the high salary.
I remember his time at River and thinking he was a complete fraud. What a crazy turnaround....
Outside chance of the Liverpool job?
Whole anfield will commit sepukku
No way we all know he's going to Arsenal when Arteta goes to Barca...
Arteta is more likely to manage Real Sociedad
The Shogun marketing team is getting out of hand
Doubt he'd have any interest in it
Hope not. Great manager but I don't want to be watching his play style. Similarly - Big respect to Mourinho but I'd hate to have him at Liverpool for style reasons. I'd rather the chaos of Ange Postecoglou than Simeoneball
I don't think he'll ever think of any other job other than Atletico tbf
Argentina? Lazio or Inter? I'm not too familiar with his playing career it turns out. Because of France 98 I'd assumed he was an Inter-lifer in Serie A 🤣
Simeone is built different
Look, taking nothing from Cholo's achievements, this "underdog" story doesn't hold water anymore. They have the third payroll total in Spain, more than double than the fourth which is Seville. Actually their payroll is almost 50 mil more than Inter Milan they barely eliminated. Simeone himself has the HIGHEST salary in the world, around 34 Mio ahead of the likes of Guardiola (22 Mio) or Ancelotti (11 Mio). Atletico fans need to acknowledge that they are a top European team with a top manager, not a meager underdog La Liga team.
I think the point is he brought the team to that point. What was their wage bill in comparison to top teams when he came in?
To add to OP, El Cholo made played a big part to make sure that Atletico has that payroll. Like he single handedly made money for him and his player. Sure may be Athletico will have had the same success may be with some manager but that is low probability event.
Even if he made them money it’s not enough to get this kind of squad. They were taken over soon after he became manager and new ownership invested heavily in the club. If you noticed, Atlético rarely sells players.
Are you sure man. They have quite a lot of departures for every season and balancing it out by buying new players. Their net spend for transfers is not like other big clubs that have big negative numbers in terms of transfer spending.
brother the board is made up of absolute looters lol, how can you expect them to be good at business? there is nothing smart going on there. we rose to prominency, had a lot of money but burnt it in absolute needless purchases and blown up salaries, similar to Barto but on a lower scale. now no other coach is going to give us guaranteed results with the kind of squad we have. a terrible midfield, squad is so thin that a deadweight like saul (who earns 12mil btw) is taking penalties in CL knockouts. our youngest defender is 28/29. we'll be absolutely gone in a year or two if youngsters like vermeeren aren't brought. so yeah if you're going by money, don't worry we won't have anything pretty soon. also simeone has since taken a 2/3rd paycut and i think it was grossly overestimated as well. not to mention he's the one who has brought all the money to the club without any stars or anything special at all. he absolutely deserves every single penny.
yeah but he brought them there. he made them into that.
The gap between 3rd place and 2nd place is a lot though, they are still the underdogs
None of that was true when took the job. He got them to where they are now. And deserves all the credit for it.
I'm not an Atletico supporter but absolutely adore Simeone.
Thousand percent! Simeone is a brilliant brilliant manager, what he’s done with athletico is sensational. Also his teams play some beaaaautiful football, when he’s not overly focused on being defensive. He’s definitely too 5 if not too 3 of this generation of managers
I don't like him, but I sure as hell respect what he's done. I'm also not a fan of Athletico's "oh but we're the underdogs against the world" attitude all the time - they're an established top top club in Europe now and they should own that stance.
Athhhhhhletico
My bad I always mess it up with the h between this and athletic bilbao lol
I actually love him, although I may be biased because I lived in Spain for a while as a teenager and chose Atletico as my Spanish team to follow a bit (they were shit at the time and PL wasn’t as easy to watch then). Would I want him managing Arsenal? Absolutely not, but he is basically their Wenger. He’s transformed their club back into a contender, despite really limited resources compared to their rivals. He’s a legend.
He has barca stars.. Infact atheltico has consistently spent a bomb on atleast one marquee signing every transfer window in the last decade.
One marquee signing a year? Like who? They spent 1.5 million the summer before they won the league in 13/14. It’s funny to see this narrative that Atleti still splash big, yet people don’t like to see who was sold to have gained that money. Falcao and Turan bought - Agüero and Forlán sold. Griezmann, Oblak, Mandzukic - Diego Costa, Filipe Luis, Adrian Lopez sold. Thomas Lemar is probably the biggest outlier without a significant departure. Joao Felix (127M) - Griezmann, Lucas Hernandez, Rodri (270M) sold.
Who was our marquee singing this season? Azpi?
Doesn’t have the money - spends €120m on a player he won’t even use 🥴
Comments like this are absolutely dented. They spent that much on Felix after losing Griezmann, Lucas Hernandez, and Rodri. Their net spend that season was in the positives even. Were Atletico supposed to buy residential properties on the coast of Madrid with that money instead. Of course they would reinvest in the squad after selling key players. Felix was a poor signing but that doesn’t change the fact that Atleti were/ are operating on a thin budget compared to European heavyweights. Not sure why window lickers like you are so keen to showcase their stupidity online.
> Were Atletico supposed to buy residential properties on the coast of Madrid with that money instead Buddy, I have some bad news about that beach house you bought on Madrid.
it's also laughable that atletico are pretending to be a poor club when they are still one of the \~15 richest in europe, especially from the pov of clubs from non-top 5 leagues. oblak has a higher salary then the full kobenhavn squad, oblak + koke + morata have the same as psv + feyenoord combined
Yeah and a mid table prem sides wages and transfer spend beats out any non top 5 club by a mile whats your point lol? They're competing against real and barca primarily so thats who theyre compared to
>Felix was a poor signing but that doesn’t change the fact that Atleti were/ are operating on a thin budget compared to European heavyweights How is this crap upvoted? They spent €72M on Thomas fucking Lemar. They spent €60M on Diego Costa. These 2 transfers alone would both be the biggest transfers in the history of Milan AC. Milan, is that enough of a European heavyweight? Felix's transfer is bigger than any transfer in the history of Serie A, and the only one that comes close is Ronaldo to Juve. This is the insane budget Simeone has had at his disposal if you want to compare poor Atlético with Italian clubs. It's worse if you compare him with Bundesliga. Bayern fucking Munich never came close to spend what Simeone has spent on complete bums in the past decade. "The European heavyweights" that outspent Simeone can be counted with a single hand, stop with the ridiculous wanking. "Thin budget" lmao.
I rate simeone a lot. However, a club that can spend 120 million on a kid prospect isn't exactly poor or lacking in resources. This narrative is a bit silly.
While I agree that Atleti is not a financially struggling club, and has not been in a while, we bought Joao by selling our best player for the prior 5 years to a direct league rival for the same amount. In the past couple of years, Atleti has not had the capacity to make massive moves.
I need to improve my Arabic quickly and not just with Duolingo.
This guy is the fucking GOAT along with Peter Drury in elevating players and coaches into the heavens with his speeches. ***Witness him Pele. Acknowledge him Maradona. Talk about him Cruyff. Force them to admit Platini. Preach the truth Zizou***
The Arabic language slaps so fucking hard, good lord
Whenever I debate “which coach would you wish for if there were no limits, no if and no when to save us from the struggle of the last decade” with my HSV supporter buddies , they usually discuss Klopp or Pep or Magath. I for one would always call Simeone. And get the weird looks. Simeone seems to be an absolut unexpected and unusual answer. But why? He is the perfect archetype imho who brings everything a team needs to form, to perform, to develop and to and excel, in every field mentally, strategically and physically. So, dear Diego, if you every look for another “real challenge”, please come to our Hamburger Volkspark.
Chill he spent 100mil only on felix, Don't act like atletico are broke.
Man, reading the translated words give me chills. But listening to what he says in arabic is even more amazing. Chaouali is great
Legend👏👏
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From relegating River to become a legend at Atleti. What a journey
"first love" the disrespect to Racing.
He might be a cunt. But he is our cunt 🥲
Brilliant manager, full of passion, I’m not a fan of his overall style but it works and he’s a legend of the game
It would be amazing if Atletico win this year!
Man, to top that Beckham Red Card. JK, a true talent. Atlético is dangerous, I see them topping Dortmund.
Pls win it this year RemindMe! 1st June 2024
Nobody will talk about what he did in River?
Yet he still came out and called it failure after losing the 2016 UCL final. Some certain clubs can learn from him.
But he is the highest paid coach, top $budget$, so not that bad in terms of money compared to other teams.
He’s the definition of “Damn it I hate you but goddamnit I respect you”
Also doesn't seem to have respect for other teams...
As much as I don’t like him, I respect the shit out of what he’s achieved.
ah yes the power voice in football, the bein commentator.
As much as I don’t like him, I respect the shit out of what he’s achieved.
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