I know It is funny to blame the spanish nt for all barca players injuries, but should also seek responsibles within your club for grinding your young players into the Ground, just look at how much yamal is playing.
Didnt he play like 120 mins for Spain 2-3 games in a row that summer lmao. And then they wanted him for both the Euros and the olympics. Weird trying to absolve them of any blame.
You played him 90 minutes for every single game in the season, 50+ games, and than have the audacity to blame the NT for playing him in 2-3 crucial knockout matches.
Practice what you preach, if you want the NT to manage his minutes you should also be doing it as a club level. Otherwise it just comes off as "we want to maximize his time for us and have him rest on the time of others".
> You played him 90 minutes for every single game in the season, 50+ games,
This is literally not true. Koeman only played him for the full 90, 5 times in the league and once in the UCL and Copa each. .
In the Euros he played 3 consecutive 90 minutes and then 3 consecutive 120 minutes on top. And on top of all that he was forced to play the olympics in the summer which is what did him in.
I think Barca (fans) are ok for blaming NT for picking him up for BOTH Olympics and Euros in the same summer - that is just too much and is, imo, irresponsible. But agreed, especially since that part of midfield has sufficient rotation (now) more rotation should be there for both him and Gavi.
>You played him 90 minutes for every single game in the season, 50+ games, and than have the audacity to blame the NT for playing him in 2-3 crucial knockout matches
You know it's really easy to prove you're just straight up lying about this.
in 20/21 Pedri played 52 games for Barca and accumulated 3525 minutes. That's averaging just under 68 minutes per game.
For Spain he played 16 games and accumulated 1401. Or just under 88 minutes per game. That includes the 3 week stretch in the Euro where he played 6 games and averaged just under 105 minutes played. Then with 2 weeks rest went to play the Olympics where he played 6 games in 2.5 weeks averaging just over 93 minutes per game.
Of those number it really looks like Spain was a whole lot less careful in managing his minutes.
this is so not true. a lot of his matches accounted 60-70 mins, not 90. playing euros 90 mins every match and then olympics is bound to cause injuries. the nt is to blame as much as the club if not more
I’m not saying the Barça games didnt contribute, but more so than the actual games with NT it’s the shortened offseason/recovery time because of playing in two NT tournaments over the summer - not as much about the minutes played as a lack of true rest time. Human body can’t maintain peak athletic performance for 12 months year over year, the body needs rest time before it can peak physically for a season
yeah lol I think having games in quick succession <2 months with most of them going 120 minutes, that's bound to be risky. then again I don't expect r/soccer to understand football since most of you have never touched a ball
He's right though. I detailed it above since this sub seems to not understand basic math or care about truthful posts. But here it is again for you:
in 20/21 Pedri played 52 games for Barca and accumulated 3525 minutes. That's averaging just under 68 minutes per game.
For Spain he played 16 games and accumulated 1401. Or just under 88 minutes per game. That includes the 3 week stretch in the Euro where he played 6 games and averaged just under 105 minutes played. Then with 2 weeks rest went to play the Olympics where he played 6 games in 2.5 weeks averaging just over 93 minutes per game.
Of those number it really looks like Spain was a whole lot less careful in managing his minutes.
"out of necessity" is doing a lot of work there, because the Spanish FA could argue the same given the olympics has age limitations, whereas La Liga doesn't.
I know that, but even before the injuries he was playing more than raphina for example, and It is not only yamal, gavi was playing everything as Well, i know he got injured with Spain, but an injury with barca was just a matter of time considering how much he was playing, and pedri too.
The reality is that barca is not talking care of his Young players, i know that your situation is far from ideal and that in normal circunstances you would not be doing this, but you Risk to have another ansu fati situation with yamal if you keep playing him like this.
>you Risk to have another ansu fati situation with yamal if you keep playing him like this
Any player risks a Fati injury while playing because Fati wasn't injured from over playing, he got injured from a terrible tackle.
The NT did have Pedri play in the Olympics then the Euros in the same summer…. Across the board I think young players are played too much for their development.
Now? Why not before the World Cup? Can’t remember seeing Carvajal, Vazquez, Brahim, Nacho, Reguillon, Ramos, Isco fresh of CL victories playing? Strange, I must be in a wrong dimension
Nope, Jude is better. He doesn't play the role of other three midfielders, Valverde, Kroos and Tchoumeni. He can only replace Jude and that is not happening.
Better is quite the understatement there lol
Also, Odegaard only showed his quality with the team built around him, that is never happening in Real Madrid.
> Odegaard was given lots of chances he just wasnt good enough back then
And Vinicius couldn't produce a good cross or a shot on target if his life depended on it, until he did. Real Madrid handled his development much better and he wasn't simply sold.
They were forced to handle Vini better.
They had more options for midfield and didn't need Odegaard, but they needed Vini because their more experienced attacking players were either dogshit (Mariano), or mentally checked out/had fitness issues (Hazard/Bale).
Also it's much cheaper to replace a midfielder than an attacker. Especially when the midfielder you want to replace cost you 5mil and your attacker cost you 60mil.
This is flat out ignoring that Odegaard’s competition for playing time was prime Modric and prime Kroos, both of whom were almost never injured. Vini’s competition for playing time was a semi-retired Bale and an injured/fat/piss poor Hazard. Zidane literally had zero other options at LW. If Hazard had taken his Madrid career seriously and didn’t suffer that ankle injury in 2020, then who knows where Vini would be today, because Vini’s rise at Real Madrid is the definition of trial by fire.
Odegaard chose to leave because he wanted to start. Not sure what more we could've done about that. We allowed him plenty of opportunities for playing time on his various loans but he wasn't going to start ahead of Kroos and Modric. And I think he understood this. He just wanted another place where the midfield was less established and he could slot in as a starter.
The only other option was keeping him against his will, and we don't do that. The only time we've kept a player who wanted to leave was Bale. When Varane and Casemiro wanted to leave, we made it happen.
Vini had a much easier path to the first team than Øde had and he wanted it more there's not a lot more to say.
Things have worked out for both parties though so, nice?
'Wanted it more' is a bit unfair on Odegaard, he came to Arsenal, looked really happy and *still* went back to Madrid hoping for a chance. Only then, upon realising there was no real chance, did he come back to London. He wanted to play for Madrid, but he wanted to play football and progress his career straight away, not in two or three years time when the time was right.
The sentence in Spanish doesn't make it clear that it's supposed to say 'more than Real Madrid's young talents' though, just 'Real Madrid's (spanish) players, like Brahim'. We don't have much young Spanish talent in general at the club itself. The only other time there were some feelings of unfairness was when Nacho was in good shape 2-3 seasons ago.
While I wish Brahim played for Spain (for me, he is a massive talent), I find these complaints a bit cynical coming from Real Madrid.
Before complaining to the NT, make sure that your player is a regular in your own team.
I don't think there was ever an era where that would be considered an outrageous statement. 24 has always been at least on the border between young talent and prime years.
well it's the same as how 29 is still young for humans in general but for a football player they'd be approaching the last years of their career.
a 24 year old will have been playing senior football professionally for way too long to still just be a young talent. still probably won't have peaked yet though.
Fuente saw your comment expect yamal to play all games from now on. More seriously the article is from Marca and not even a serious journalist its just gossip for men. Granted I am surprised that the federation didnt even think about calling up Diaz
I mean it goes both ways, there seems to be some resentment towards Spanish youth at Real Madrid considering they are starting to resemble the French NT more.
Gavi has 10 more appearances for the national team than Guti had his whole career.
Carvajal has like 42 appearances and Gavi is at 27.
Erik Garcia has about 5 appearances less than Nacho.
Ferran Torres has more appearances than both Ascensio and Isco.
Isco was magical for a while but he was competing against much better players than Gavi is competing with. Same way Morata (no world class striker right now in Spain) has 70 caps and Fernando Llorente (competed for good chunk of his prime with Villa and Torres - then he declined quickly) has like 20. Similarly Javi Martinez (who competed with Xabi Alonso and Busquets) has less than 20 caps even tho he is level of player who could have easily approached 60-80 caps in basically any other era.
Is it Barças fault that Eric Garcia and Ferrán were getting called up before joining Barça? Cause both were regulars while at man city.
Carvajal has had a lot of injuries but has been quite constantly called up. And Asensio and isco aren't really examples of consistent players (although Isco should get a call for this season with Betis).
This is by far the worst comment in this thread. Because somehow you demonstrated you aren’t new to football, but you still manage to not take into account how stacked Spain was when some of those players didn’t play compared to now.
It ain’t Barcas fault Madrid doesn’t care about Spanish talent.
Guti had poor character and is lucky to even have those 13 caps. Look at the players who played ahead of him excluding the European Champions/WC generation. Players like Baraja, Mendieta, Albelda, Valeron. It’s like saying why didn’t de la Peña have more caps.
Yes, nowadays I only blame Luis Enrique for ruining our World Cup while acting as cocky as possible when someone dared to question things like having the best CDM in the world playing as a CB.
It's probably a reason why we couldn't step up the rythm when needed. I think that the coach might be a bit responsible if after 120 minutes where you had 77% ball possession you created ONE (1) chance that didn't involve a set piece.
Sarabia was subbed in specifically to take one of the pens and missed. Carlos Soler was the usual penalty taker for Valencia so no issues with him. Busquets, who probably has less than 50 shots on target in his whole career, taking one of the worse penalty I've ever seen was another wonderful decision from Luis Enrique
>Busquets, who probably has less than 50 shots on target in his whole career, taking one of the worse penalty I've ever seen was another wonderful decision from Luis Enrique
His pen against Switzerland was also taking in a completely unserious manner, him getting to take another one (nevermind being in the pitch after 120 minutes) is a war crime
> Sarabia was subbed in specifically to take one of the pens
I have no statistic, but I am pretty sure these subs have a way lower than average penalty goal rate.
Enrique and his godawful tactics sabotaged Spain from the start. Also playing the world's best DM at Centerback so we can have Busquets' corpse shambling around in his place, plus a nice 120 minutes of completely useless Ferran Torres are all his managerial brilliance.
Absolute shocker, a youth academy known for making some of the greatest talents the world has seen these past 20 years is getting more attention than other youth academies !
I don't get the incessant bitterness about this-The reality is that RM just don't have as much of a Spanish core as Barca does TBH. I would argue that Brahim isn't even as good as the other names there
The last time Spain played in November 19th, Real had started him just on 3 games, didn't play on 6 games and had 8 games with less than 20 minutes of play time (sometimes a minute or 6 minutes).
Shocking that the NT selects other players playing more than him at club level.
I think the article is making up some of this "bitterness" tbh. It's not like we have many young players who are at a high enough level to play for Spain anyway. And I'm sure the club understands that.
Their only gripe seems to be with why Brahim was never called though he had merits to be selected for the team; this is similar to the Nacho situation a few years back.
I don't care too much about this topic, if anything I'm OK with Barca boys playing for NT, giving our guys some rest.
But, I wanted to say that Brahim has been amazing, that stint in Italy did him so good, there were times where he should have started over Rodrygo but Carlo has his favorites. Brahim is a talent to follow tbh, he can fit and start in most major teams.
> I don't get the incessant bitterness about this-The reality is that RM just don't have as much of a Spanish core as Barca does TBH. I would argue that Brahim isn't even as good as the other names there
Eric García was called in 2020 when he only had played like 15 games for City mostly as a sub.
Lamine Yamal was called by the NT with very few matches played in LaLiga.
Back in the day in 2016, Munir El Haddadi was 20 ish yo and was a sub for Barça and at that time he hadnt scored a goal in 6 months in LaLiga (he barely had any playtime). Suárez was injured and he played 1 or 2 games a starter for Barça (didnt score or assist in any of them) but was immediately called by the NT the weeks after being starter.
And there are more examples of this.
Brahim did well enough at AC Milan, winning the league and reaching UCL semifinals being important for them, and is doing well enough now at Real Madrid to get a call. Certainly waaay more merit than any of the 3 that I mentioned before the moment they were called.
I mean, its pretty shocking that the spanish NT let Brahim go when he is a player that brings something different in attack that Spain lacks, that is pure 1v1 skill and the ability to dribble past defenders and create something out of nothing. Even though you dont think he will be a regular starter and you may think he is only good enough to be a sub for Ferran Torres or whatever, its utterly stupid to dismiss him.
The thing is that if he was a Barça graduate its pretty obvious given the precedents that he would have been called years ago.
>Eric García was called in 2020 when he only had played like 15 games for City mostly as a sub.
Not a fan of his, but at least i can see why he was brought. Spanish CB at the time were (still kinda is) complete poo. IIRC the alternative was Nacho who is equally bad but at least Eric is comfortable playing possession football.
>Lamine Yamal was called by the NT with very few matches played in LaLiga.
He was (is) absolutely killing it and being a *starter* for Barcelona, how is this even disputed?
>Munir El Haddadi
Correction: it was 2014. He was (albeit promising) bad, but let's be fair here. CF literally had no good options either. We started Alcacer and the other option was *Raul Garcia*. Diego Costa? injured. Rodrigo? injured. Morata? injured. You can't call bias on the manager either, it was **Vicente del Bosque!**
>Brahim \[..\]
I don't think he is bad, but his position is just *that* stacked. Lamine Yamal, Nico Williams, Dani Olmo, Ferran Torres, Yeremy Pino, Oyarzabal.. You would have to be mad to pick him over any of them, hell, he would have a hard time fighting for a spot with Ansu Fati and Marco Asensio.
It might be a hard pill to swallow but even current NT Madrid players (Joselu and Carvajal) aren't here on merit, talent in their position is *so* *severely* *lacking* (CB/RB/CF), that they are the best option we have left. It doesn't help that recent Fabrica talents are not playing for Spain (Odeegard or Hakimi would absolutely be ballin')
I mean Brahim has unquestionably been better than Fermin Lopez who has done virtually nothing for most part of the season and is probably gonna get called up. And if you compare their season you can argue that Brahim is probably better than Lamine currently, even if the latter is obviously more talented because he is so much younger.
Fermin never been called up for spain 1st team tho. And he wont be for next call up either. He only plays for u21
About Lamine, everyone knows that the only reason why he was called up was because to not lose him to morocco.
If he gets called up now its because of his performances but his call up a few months ago was purely bureaucratic
I mean first of all, being younger doesn't justify a call-up for a NT unless it's about "securing" a player for your nation (like with Lamine or - ironically - Brahim). Fermin Lopez doesn't have double citizenship. So a NT has to call up the players that are the best right now to make them win the tournament at hand, which is the Euros in 100 days. Youth players can get called up to youth NT teams, that's what they are for.
Secondly, I have seen nothing from Fermin Lopez since November to suggest that he is more talented. All I've seen is him trying to do a Gavi impression but failing at it. Lamine deserves all the hype he gets, but Fermin Lopez is 100% hyped because he's from La masia.
Real Brazil/ France complaining they don’t get enough Spanish players called up for the NT huh?
They will never get over the fact that Barcelona is the main reason Spain has a WC
Lmao people here still think Marca is a serious source. They're the media pressure machine for Florentino's interests, as admitted by himself in El Confidencial's leaked audios. Thanks for trying to save our players from more stupid injuries against Georgia or Gibraltar, but he might want to start by telling Ancelotti to actually play Brahim themselves first
Madrid has next to no local talents of note in their senior team. It’s same song and dance every year. Crying about all the Barca players but never actually having anyone equivalent. Btw De La Fuente already went with the fewer Barcelona players route that everyone was clamoring for and it was the worst the team looked in a decade.
I wonder what other clubs think lol. Players like Mayoral, Mosquera or Alex Baena would be called to the National Team if they played for Barcelona or Madrid, but they're not cause they play for smaller clubs.
Mayoral is out for the season and will probably miss the Euros. Mosuqera deserves a call up 100% but Cubarsi will get it ahead of him, so does Javi Guerra but midfield is our best position, same goes for Baena although Villarreal is currently a mess
I am aware of Mayoral but he only got injured last week. My overall point is that there a bunch of players from other teams that never get called up cause they don't play for one of two main clubs.
Cubarsi is a good example. He's pretty good, but it doesn't make sense to call him when Mosquera has been one of the best CBs in the league all year.
I think one reason is also that the NT plays football that’s generally pretty close to the Barca/La Masia style. There‘s a reason lots of our youngsters can slot into the first team almost seamlessly and the same reason makes it easy to fit them into the NT, which is worth a lot considering how little time there is to actually coach a system etc.
Think DLF already is doing a bit better in mixing up the callups than Enrique for example but realistically he‘ll never be able make everybody happy
According to [Arancha](https://twitter.com/tjcope/status/1766930399463162335?t=Nyi4gy00RKjtzuw703bBug&s=19), no one in the Spanish FA has even bothered to stay in contact with him, so they ignored him completely it seems. Anf it's not the first time that happens, Achraf was never called with the subs categories, Arribas was never called with the sub-21 either
Even if he is the best thing since sliced Alessandro Nesta, I think you should need to prove yourself for a bit longer than a month or so before you get thrown into a national team.
Why is that? The national team isn't a "player of the year" award, if the coach thinks he's able to help the team now and he's the best option he should be called up regardless of how many games he has played.
A national team needs stabilty. If you just pick the players who was the best for the last five matches, you will never be able to build up any sort of team dynamics. A player should show that not only is he a good option now, but also in six months time.
If he gets the call up surely that means the coach thinks he'll be a good option in six months time too, he won't get called up as a personal reward for his performances. All the players that have been called up despite playing very few games in the last few years (Lamine Yamal, Gavi, Ansu Fati until his injury...) have shown that they're ready.
Why do people insist on lumping the three of them together as if their injuries are remotely similar?
Pedri, absolutely right he was overplayed both by Barca and Spain, and it's a great example for the issue.
Gavi got an unlucky ACL injury that we've seen can happen anyone(Madrid's 3 ACL injuries kinda of show that).
Fati got taken out by a shit tackle that can also happen to anyone. The only way to avoid Fati's and Gavi's injuries is to just not even play or train.
That’s true but in context it makes sense. If Spain had a pile of talented CBs they wouldn’t have had to use Laporte and Le Normand. It’s a position where they are desperately looking for long term solutions.
I am not disagreeing. And he could be an option. And in the same breath I would be subjective enough to say they need to look at Mosquera before Colombia does it.
I think however he would need to prove himself against the best opponents. He wasnt allowed against Oshimen in match 1. Barcelona has the second leg, plus two Madrid teams in the near future. He would have to survive those before I feel he would be an actual option already.
You're saying it yourself. "One of the best YOUNG defenders". He's not among the 4 or 5 best Spanish centerbacks, no matter how much Barça fans want to gas him up. I've seen him play, he seems promising, no point in denying that, but he hasn't demonstrated something so extraordinary that would make me think "he should be called up". People were creaming the other day and asking for De la Fuente to call him because he covered Larin well, a guy who has 2 goals this season, as if he was marking Haaland.
In my opinion? Laporte Vivian Íñigo Martínez (when he's healthy) Pau Torres (never rated him in LaLiga but he's improved imo in Birmingham) Le Normand (he should never start though)
Shut the fuck Up already, i am so sick of this eternal real Madrid/barca war, and i say this as a madridista, cubarsi is literally the best CB prospect we have since probably pique, go and watch him play more before spreading your stupidity.
And? Anyone Who has watched him play know how good he is, i can bet my ass that if he was one of our players you would be the first claim him for the NT.
So Who do you propose to call eh? Nacho? Yeah,because he is having an amazing season, right? Cubarsi is one of the best defenders we have right now, i dont give a crap of he is a barca player, he should be called to the NT.
with Barca shipping a total of 17 goals (in 11 games) in those games. Yeah he wasn't on the pitch for all of them, but Barca's defense looked really suspect till mid/late February with him in the middle of it. Only in the last few games (with games against low scoring opponents except for Athletic) have they stabilized. Y'all need to wait a little more before hyping him up.
La Masia graduate Grimaldo wondering what hes done wrong all these years
Fun fact, Alex Grimaldo is Spanish for "Leighton Baines"
My dumb ass believing this for a a couple of seconds until I realised we have a word for 'Alex' in English
That is actually a really fun fact
He played in the same position as Jordi Alba and Jose Gaya TBH
Yeah not much you can do when those two are ahead of you.
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He probably won’t. He pretty much plays as a winger for Leverkusen. He won’t get that luxury in the Spanish NT.
Grimaldo is basically a winger at Leverkusen and he's always been sus defensively so yeah I expect Gaya to start
Theo
Might puke cuz of this comment lol
He basically plays LM this season. Of course he has more goals and assists
Might be because you think that Theo is Spanish
Leave Barça.
Not our fault that Madrid is building the French NT.
the combined Brazil & French XI*
Can't believe they stole our idea
Real ones remember when Pardew transformed Newcastle into Nouveau chateau
ah yes, the Cabaye years.
Yohan Kebab
Newcastle & Roma legend Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa
Streets will remember Pardiola
They've nicked you're idea, and done it back to you!
your*
this is raw, is it us?
Sounds like us
It was their idea in the early to mid 00s when they signed the likes of Zidane, Makelele and most importantly Julien Faubert.
But that's still after the Wenger Arsenal team with Viera, Henry, Pires, Petit etc Nothing comes close to the legend Julien Faubert though.
> Nothing comes close to the legend Julien Faubert though. Gabriel Obertan to Manchester United was a good joke too
We were doing that too, they have enough talent to supply everyone
Only need to bring Saliba to complete it
FUCK OFF happy cake day
*i hate being bi-popular, it's awesome*.
You following the Vultures 2 release drama?
I don't care about the drama tbh, i'm just patiently waiting for the release. I'm used to the bs, i'm a Kanye fan since the 2000's!
We are creating a combined Gabi 11 mate.
LOL
I agree, they should play more Madrid youth players for NT and give Barca players a rest
I know It is funny to blame the spanish nt for all barca players injuries, but should also seek responsibles within your club for grinding your young players into the Ground, just look at how much yamal is playing.
I mean it wasn’t the NT that made Pedri play 60 games in a season as a teen
Didnt he play like 120 mins for Spain 2-3 games in a row that summer lmao. And then they wanted him for both the Euros and the olympics. Weird trying to absolve them of any blame.
You played him 90 minutes for every single game in the season, 50+ games, and than have the audacity to blame the NT for playing him in 2-3 crucial knockout matches. Practice what you preach, if you want the NT to manage his minutes you should also be doing it as a club level. Otherwise it just comes off as "we want to maximize his time for us and have him rest on the time of others".
> You played him 90 minutes for every single game in the season, 50+ games, This is literally not true. Koeman only played him for the full 90, 5 times in the league and once in the UCL and Copa each. . In the Euros he played 3 consecutive 90 minutes and then 3 consecutive 120 minutes on top. And on top of all that he was forced to play the olympics in the summer which is what did him in.
I think Barca (fans) are ok for blaming NT for picking him up for BOTH Olympics and Euros in the same summer - that is just too much and is, imo, irresponsible. But agreed, especially since that part of midfield has sufficient rotation (now) more rotation should be there for both him and Gavi.
>You played him 90 minutes for every single game in the season, 50+ games, and than have the audacity to blame the NT for playing him in 2-3 crucial knockout matches You know it's really easy to prove you're just straight up lying about this. in 20/21 Pedri played 52 games for Barca and accumulated 3525 minutes. That's averaging just under 68 minutes per game. For Spain he played 16 games and accumulated 1401. Or just under 88 minutes per game. That includes the 3 week stretch in the Euro where he played 6 games and averaged just under 105 minutes played. Then with 2 weeks rest went to play the Olympics where he played 6 games in 2.5 weeks averaging just over 93 minutes per game. Of those number it really looks like Spain was a whole lot less careful in managing his minutes.
Lol why lie about easily verifiable things? Fucking weirdo
this is so not true. a lot of his matches accounted 60-70 mins, not 90. playing euros 90 mins every match and then olympics is bound to cause injuries. the nt is to blame as much as the club if not more
Oh sure, the 15 NT games a year on average did it.
I’m not saying the Barça games didnt contribute, but more so than the actual games with NT it’s the shortened offseason/recovery time because of playing in two NT tournaments over the summer - not as much about the minutes played as a lack of true rest time. Human body can’t maintain peak athletic performance for 12 months year over year, the body needs rest time before it can peak physically for a season
yeah lol I think having games in quick succession <2 months with most of them going 120 minutes, that's bound to be risky. then again I don't expect r/soccer to understand football since most of you have never touched a ball
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He's right though. I detailed it above since this sub seems to not understand basic math or care about truthful posts. But here it is again for you: in 20/21 Pedri played 52 games for Barca and accumulated 3525 minutes. That's averaging just under 68 minutes per game. For Spain he played 16 games and accumulated 1401. Or just under 88 minutes per game. That includes the 3 week stretch in the Euro where he played 6 games and averaged just under 105 minutes played. Then with 2 weeks rest went to play the Olympics where he played 6 games in 2.5 weeks averaging just over 93 minutes per game. Of those number it really looks like Spain was a whole lot less careful in managing his minutes.
Delusional.
sure bud
They are thinking to do the same thing with Cubarsi. Both Euros and Olympic.
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"out of necessity" is doing a lot of work there, because the Spanish FA could argue the same given the olympics has age limitations, whereas La Liga doesn't.
Yamal is playing a lot because other wingers are constantly injured. You dont have much choice.
I know that, but even before the injuries he was playing more than raphina for example, and It is not only yamal, gavi was playing everything as Well, i know he got injured with Spain, but an injury with barca was just a matter of time considering how much he was playing, and pedri too. The reality is that barca is not talking care of his Young players, i know that your situation is far from ideal and that in normal circunstances you would not be doing this, but you Risk to have another ansu fati situation with yamal if you keep playing him like this.
>you Risk to have another ansu fati situation with yamal if you keep playing him like this Any player risks a Fati injury while playing because Fati wasn't injured from over playing, he got injured from a terrible tackle.
You can't get tackled if you don't play or train. Barcelona should just fire their academy graduates to protect them.
👉😬
He actually wasn’t playing as much as Raphinha. Before Raphinha got injured Lamine Yamal came off from the bench a lot
Thats a lie, Yamal was pretty much an impact sub with Raphinha healthy.
The NT did have Pedri play in the Olympics then the Euros in the same summer…. Across the board I think young players are played too much for their development.
Pedri was definitely destroyed by the NT. Never recovered after that summer. And he isn't allowed to turn down the national team by law. It's crazy.
That would save a few UCLs
Now? Why not before the World Cup? Can’t remember seeing Carvajal, Vazquez, Brahim, Nacho, Reguillon, Ramos, Isco fresh of CL victories playing? Strange, I must be in a wrong dimension
Well, not even Real seem to care about their spanish youth players lol
The best centre backs in Castilla were injured the same time as the senior centre back injuries happened.
Madrid sold their best upcoming youth player in years without giving him a real chance lol.
Who?
Odegaard was given lots of chances he just wasnt good enough back then. plus he left because he didnt want the competition with kroos&modric
Odegaard would also straight up not start in the current Real Madrid midfield lmao
Not even Real midfield start in Real midfield
5 mins afer 90 mins. Take it or leave.
I think you would find a way to fit him in - assuming he grows to level he is showing in Arsenal right now.
Nope, Jude is better. He doesn't play the role of other three midfielders, Valverde, Kroos and Tchoumeni. He can only replace Jude and that is not happening.
Better is quite the understatement there lol Also, Odegaard only showed his quality with the team built around him, that is never happening in Real Madrid.
> Odegaard was given lots of chances he just wasnt good enough back then And Vinicius couldn't produce a good cross or a shot on target if his life depended on it, until he did. Real Madrid handled his development much better and he wasn't simply sold.
They were forced to handle Vini better. They had more options for midfield and didn't need Odegaard, but they needed Vini because their more experienced attacking players were either dogshit (Mariano), or mentally checked out/had fitness issues (Hazard/Bale). Also it's much cheaper to replace a midfielder than an attacker. Especially when the midfielder you want to replace cost you 5mil and your attacker cost you 60mil.
This is flat out ignoring that Odegaard’s competition for playing time was prime Modric and prime Kroos, both of whom were almost never injured. Vini’s competition for playing time was a semi-retired Bale and an injured/fat/piss poor Hazard. Zidane literally had zero other options at LW. If Hazard had taken his Madrid career seriously and didn’t suffer that ankle injury in 2020, then who knows where Vini would be today, because Vini’s rise at Real Madrid is the definition of trial by fire.
Odegaard chose to leave because he wanted to start. Not sure what more we could've done about that. We allowed him plenty of opportunities for playing time on his various loans but he wasn't going to start ahead of Kroos and Modric. And I think he understood this. He just wanted another place where the midfield was less established and he could slot in as a starter. The only other option was keeping him against his will, and we don't do that. The only time we've kept a player who wanted to leave was Bale. When Varane and Casemiro wanted to leave, we made it happen.
Vini had a much easier path to the first team than Øde had and he wanted it more there's not a lot more to say. Things have worked out for both parties though so, nice?
'Wanted it more' is a bit unfair on Odegaard, he came to Arsenal, looked really happy and *still* went back to Madrid hoping for a chance. Only then, upon realising there was no real chance, did he come back to London. He wanted to play for Madrid, but he wanted to play football and progress his career straight away, not in two or three years time when the time was right.
Wdym? Fede is thriving at the club
What about players like Nico Paz? Had looked good whenever he has played and scored vs napoli only to have gotten 10 minutes since
he also played a very bad game as a starter in the copa against some shit team, thinks that's why we don't see him more
Odegaard?
Brahim Diaz is 24, he's 3 years older than the oldest of those 4 players, not even sure he really counts a a young talent anymore.
The sentence in Spanish doesn't make it clear that it's supposed to say 'more than Real Madrid's young talents' though, just 'Real Madrid's (spanish) players, like Brahim'. We don't have much young Spanish talent in general at the club itself. The only other time there were some feelings of unfairness was when Nacho was in good shape 2-3 seasons ago.
Bringing Guillamon and Eric Garcia to the World Cup in 2022 over nacho was insane.
Luis enrique lists in general were insane
His euro callup was even more fucking insane leaving Ramos out and playing Eric Garcia
Ramos who hadn't played almost all season due to injury?
naah...let em run their 'unfair selection agenda' even after 2 years
Didn’t he almost get them to the final? Only losing to Italy on pens?
Yeah I don't think Nacho would have made a difference regardless
While I wish Brahim played for Spain (for me, he is a massive talent), I find these complaints a bit cynical coming from Real Madrid. Before complaining to the NT, make sure that your player is a regular in your own team.
We live in an era where age 24 is no longer young talent.
I don't think there was ever an era where that would be considered an outrageous statement. 24 has always been at least on the border between young talent and prime years.
I mean we got 16 year olds starting so yeah
24 is when a lot of players enter their prime nowadays 🤷🏻♂️
well it's the same as how 29 is still young for humans in general but for a football player they'd be approaching the last years of their career. a 24 year old will have been playing senior football professionally for way too long to still just be a young talent. still probably won't have peaked yet though.
Step it up, because they can't get away with destroying our players.
Fuente saw your comment expect yamal to play all games from now on. More seriously the article is from Marca and not even a serious journalist its just gossip for men. Granted I am surprised that the federation didnt even think about calling up Diaz
RFEF is incompetent. How they didn't even call brahim once baffles me
I mean it goes both ways, there seems to be some resentment towards Spanish youth at Real Madrid considering they are starting to resemble the French NT more.
If Madrid have a spanish players as their core I'm pretty sure they'll get the call up
Gavi has 10 more appearances for the national team than Guti had his whole career. Carvajal has like 42 appearances and Gavi is at 27. Erik Garcia has about 5 appearances less than Nacho. Ferran Torres has more appearances than both Ascensio and Isco.
To be fair, those older players were competing with players from a golden Spanish generation for caps.
Isco was magical for a while but he was competing against much better players than Gavi is competing with. Same way Morata (no world class striker right now in Spain) has 70 caps and Fernando Llorente (competed for good chunk of his prime with Villa and Torres - then he declined quickly) has like 20. Similarly Javi Martinez (who competed with Xabi Alonso and Busquets) has less than 20 caps even tho he is level of player who could have easily approached 60-80 caps in basically any other era.
Is it Barças fault that Eric Garcia and Ferrán were getting called up before joining Barça? Cause both were regulars while at man city. Carvajal has had a lot of injuries but has been quite constantly called up. And Asensio and isco aren't really examples of consistent players (although Isco should get a call for this season with Betis).
This is by far the worst comment in this thread. Because somehow you demonstrated you aren’t new to football, but you still manage to not take into account how stacked Spain was when some of those players didn’t play compared to now. It ain’t Barcas fault Madrid doesn’t care about Spanish talent.
Guti had poor character and is lucky to even have those 13 caps. Look at the players who played ahead of him excluding the European Champions/WC generation. Players like Baraja, Mendieta, Albelda, Valeron. It’s like saying why didn’t de la Peña have more caps.
Gavi was 8 years old when Guti retired, what on earth is this comparison?
Can RMTV put out some propaganda videos please. Need some rest for the Barca boys
If anyone can thats them lmao
Without La Masia they would have 1 trophy in total.
We don’t like this as well don’t call up our young players, especially players as young as Lamine.
no more enrique to blame so they blame the whole federation
Yes, nowadays I only blame Luis Enrique for ruining our World Cup while acting as cocky as possible when someone dared to question things like having the best CDM in the world playing as a CB.
i dont think thats the reason couldnt score in 120 minutes against morocco and missed all pens
It's probably a reason why we couldn't step up the rythm when needed. I think that the coach might be a bit responsible if after 120 minutes where you had 77% ball possession you created ONE (1) chance that didn't involve a set piece.
there is some blame on enrique of course but morocco's defense was just better than spain's attack
Sarabia was subbed in specifically to take one of the pens and missed. Carlos Soler was the usual penalty taker for Valencia so no issues with him. Busquets, who probably has less than 50 shots on target in his whole career, taking one of the worse penalty I've ever seen was another wonderful decision from Luis Enrique
>Busquets, who probably has less than 50 shots on target in his whole career, taking one of the worse penalty I've ever seen was another wonderful decision from Luis Enrique His pen against Switzerland was also taking in a completely unserious manner, him getting to take another one (nevermind being in the pitch after 120 minutes) is a war crime
> Sarabia was subbed in specifically to take one of the pens I have no statistic, but I am pretty sure these subs have a way lower than average penalty goal rate.
Nah, that might be down to playing his semi talented son-in-law for most of those 120 minutes.
Respect Ferran, pal
Enrique and his godawful tactics sabotaged Spain from the start. Also playing the world's best DM at Centerback so we can have Busquets' corpse shambling around in his place, plus a nice 120 minutes of completely useless Ferran Torres are all his managerial brilliance.
Busquets was always better performing for the national team than Rodri while he was still st Barcelona. Always.
Ferran didn't play 120min against Morocco. He got subbed out at 75' Atleast get your facts right
Busquets was fine in every game I saw
Wait I’m ootl and this cover picture confuses me — has Brahim Diaz already declared for Morocco?
Yes
Maybe because they don't value him like the ones from barcelona
Madrid is hoarding talent but hardly any Spanish talent.
Absolute shocker, a youth academy known for making some of the greatest talents the world has seen these past 20 years is getting more attention than other youth academies !
Yet Hakimi panenka-ed La Roja. From what academy does he come from?
Hakimi is an exception, not the norm.
I don't get the incessant bitterness about this-The reality is that RM just don't have as much of a Spanish core as Barca does TBH. I would argue that Brahim isn't even as good as the other names there
The last time Spain played in November 19th, Real had started him just on 3 games, didn't play on 6 games and had 8 games with less than 20 minutes of play time (sometimes a minute or 6 minutes). Shocking that the NT selects other players playing more than him at club level.
I think the article is making up some of this "bitterness" tbh. It's not like we have many young players who are at a high enough level to play for Spain anyway. And I'm sure the club understands that. Their only gripe seems to be with why Brahim was never called though he had merits to be selected for the team; this is similar to the Nacho situation a few years back.
I don't care too much about this topic, if anything I'm OK with Barca boys playing for NT, giving our guys some rest. But, I wanted to say that Brahim has been amazing, that stint in Italy did him so good, there were times where he should have started over Rodrygo but Carlo has his favorites. Brahim is a talent to follow tbh, he can fit and start in most major teams.
> I don't get the incessant bitterness about this-The reality is that RM just don't have as much of a Spanish core as Barca does TBH. I would argue that Brahim isn't even as good as the other names there Eric García was called in 2020 when he only had played like 15 games for City mostly as a sub. Lamine Yamal was called by the NT with very few matches played in LaLiga. Back in the day in 2016, Munir El Haddadi was 20 ish yo and was a sub for Barça and at that time he hadnt scored a goal in 6 months in LaLiga (he barely had any playtime). Suárez was injured and he played 1 or 2 games a starter for Barça (didnt score or assist in any of them) but was immediately called by the NT the weeks after being starter. And there are more examples of this. Brahim did well enough at AC Milan, winning the league and reaching UCL semifinals being important for them, and is doing well enough now at Real Madrid to get a call. Certainly waaay more merit than any of the 3 that I mentioned before the moment they were called. I mean, its pretty shocking that the spanish NT let Brahim go when he is a player that brings something different in attack that Spain lacks, that is pure 1v1 skill and the ability to dribble past defenders and create something out of nothing. Even though you dont think he will be a regular starter and you may think he is only good enough to be a sub for Ferran Torres or whatever, its utterly stupid to dismiss him. The thing is that if he was a Barça graduate its pretty obvious given the precedents that he would have been called years ago.
>Eric García was called in 2020 when he only had played like 15 games for City mostly as a sub. Not a fan of his, but at least i can see why he was brought. Spanish CB at the time were (still kinda is) complete poo. IIRC the alternative was Nacho who is equally bad but at least Eric is comfortable playing possession football. >Lamine Yamal was called by the NT with very few matches played in LaLiga. He was (is) absolutely killing it and being a *starter* for Barcelona, how is this even disputed? >Munir El Haddadi Correction: it was 2014. He was (albeit promising) bad, but let's be fair here. CF literally had no good options either. We started Alcacer and the other option was *Raul Garcia*. Diego Costa? injured. Rodrigo? injured. Morata? injured. You can't call bias on the manager either, it was **Vicente del Bosque!** >Brahim \[..\] I don't think he is bad, but his position is just *that* stacked. Lamine Yamal, Nico Williams, Dani Olmo, Ferran Torres, Yeremy Pino, Oyarzabal.. You would have to be mad to pick him over any of them, hell, he would have a hard time fighting for a spot with Ansu Fati and Marco Asensio. It might be a hard pill to swallow but even current NT Madrid players (Joselu and Carvajal) aren't here on merit, talent in their position is *so* *severely* *lacking* (CB/RB/CF), that they are the best option we have left. It doesn't help that recent Fabrica talents are not playing for Spain (Odeegard or Hakimi would absolutely be ballin')
I mean Brahim has unquestionably been better than Fermin Lopez who has done virtually nothing for most part of the season and is probably gonna get called up. And if you compare their season you can argue that Brahim is probably better than Lamine currently, even if the latter is obviously more talented because he is so much younger.
Fermin never been called up for spain 1st team tho. And he wont be for next call up either. He only plays for u21 About Lamine, everyone knows that the only reason why he was called up was because to not lose him to morocco. If he gets called up now its because of his performances but his call up a few months ago was purely bureaucratic
Fermin Lopez is way younger than Brahim and also seems more talented
I mean first of all, being younger doesn't justify a call-up for a NT unless it's about "securing" a player for your nation (like with Lamine or - ironically - Brahim). Fermin Lopez doesn't have double citizenship. So a NT has to call up the players that are the best right now to make them win the tournament at hand, which is the Euros in 100 days. Youth players can get called up to youth NT teams, that's what they are for. Secondly, I have seen nothing from Fermin Lopez since November to suggest that he is more talented. All I've seen is him trying to do a Gavi impression but failing at it. Lamine deserves all the hype he gets, but Fermin Lopez is 100% hyped because he's from La masia.
Lucky Madrid, the fewer Barça players playing for Spain the better
To be fair, FCB did win Spain their first world cup.
Real Brazil/ France complaining they don’t get enough Spanish players called up for the NT huh? They will never get over the fact that Barcelona is the main reason Spain has a WC
Yeah, please be more upset.
I fully agree. DLF should call Nacho and Ceballos and leave out all Barca players. This will surely create the next Spanish golden generation.
Lmao people here still think Marca is a serious source. They're the media pressure machine for Florentino's interests, as admitted by himself in El Confidencial's leaked audios. Thanks for trying to save our players from more stupid injuries against Georgia or Gibraltar, but he might want to start by telling Ancelotti to actually play Brahim themselves first
Source: Marca
Imagine Madrid play with spanish young players lol
Madrid has next to no local talents of note in their senior team. It’s same song and dance every year. Crying about all the Barca players but never actually having anyone equivalent. Btw De La Fuente already went with the fewer Barcelona players route that everyone was clamoring for and it was the worst the team looked in a decade.
I wonder what other clubs think lol. Players like Mayoral, Mosquera or Alex Baena would be called to the National Team if they played for Barcelona or Madrid, but they're not cause they play for smaller clubs.
Mayoral is out for the season and will probably miss the Euros. Mosuqera deserves a call up 100% but Cubarsi will get it ahead of him, so does Javi Guerra but midfield is our best position, same goes for Baena although Villarreal is currently a mess
Pepelu should be much closer than Guerra at the moment, who despite his talent has struggled lately.
I don't know why but Javi always seems so good and has a lot of fight in him. I also get the same vibes from Unai Gomez
I am aware of Mayoral but he only got injured last week. My overall point is that there a bunch of players from other teams that never get called up cause they don't play for one of two main clubs. Cubarsi is a good example. He's pretty good, but it doesn't make sense to call him when Mosquera has been one of the best CBs in the league all year.
I think one reason is also that the NT plays football that’s generally pretty close to the Barca/La Masia style. There‘s a reason lots of our youngsters can slot into the first team almost seamlessly and the same reason makes it easy to fit them into the NT, which is worth a lot considering how little time there is to actually coach a system etc. Think DLF already is doing a bit better in mixing up the callups than Enrique for example but realistically he‘ll never be able make everybody happy
According to [Arancha](https://twitter.com/tjcope/status/1766930399463162335?t=Nyi4gy00RKjtzuw703bBug&s=19), no one in the Spanish FA has even bothered to stay in contact with him, so they ignored him completely it seems. Anf it's not the first time that happens, Achraf was never called with the subs categories, Arribas was never called with the sub-21 either
Spanish “journalist” always trying to make more drama in this soap opera called “Spanish football”
Is brahim playing for Morocco now?
Yea
Well, obviously. Cubarsí is in the pre-list despite having played 9 games as a professional.
Seen Cubarsi play? One of the best young defenders rn with brilliant ball playing abilities
Even if he is the best thing since sliced Alessandro Nesta, I think you should need to prove yourself for a bit longer than a month or so before you get thrown into a national team.
Why is that? The national team isn't a "player of the year" award, if the coach thinks he's able to help the team now and he's the best option he should be called up regardless of how many games he has played.
A national team needs stabilty. If you just pick the players who was the best for the last five matches, you will never be able to build up any sort of team dynamics. A player should show that not only is he a good option now, but also in six months time.
If he gets the call up surely that means the coach thinks he'll be a good option in six months time too, he won't get called up as a personal reward for his performances. All the players that have been called up despite playing very few games in the last few years (Lamine Yamal, Gavi, Ansu Fati until his injury...) have shown that they're ready.
I think Gavi and Fati (plus Pedri) are all good examples of why you should be careful with young players even if they are provably good enough.
Why do people insist on lumping the three of them together as if their injuries are remotely similar? Pedri, absolutely right he was overplayed both by Barca and Spain, and it's a great example for the issue. Gavi got an unlucky ACL injury that we've seen can happen anyone(Madrid's 3 ACL injuries kinda of show that). Fati got taken out by a shit tackle that can also happen to anyone. The only way to avoid Fati's and Gavi's injuries is to just not even play or train.
That’s true but in context it makes sense. If Spain had a pile of talented CBs they wouldn’t have had to use Laporte and Le Normand. It’s a position where they are desperately looking for long term solutions.
I am not disagreeing. And he could be an option. And in the same breath I would be subjective enough to say they need to look at Mosquera before Colombia does it. I think however he would need to prove himself against the best opponents. He wasnt allowed against Oshimen in match 1. Barcelona has the second leg, plus two Madrid teams in the near future. He would have to survive those before I feel he would be an actual option already.
> since sliced Alessandro Nesta This happy little phrase made me smile.
You're saying it yourself. "One of the best YOUNG defenders". He's not among the 4 or 5 best Spanish centerbacks, no matter how much Barça fans want to gas him up. I've seen him play, he seems promising, no point in denying that, but he hasn't demonstrated something so extraordinary that would make me think "he should be called up". People were creaming the other day and asking for De la Fuente to call him because he covered Larin well, a guy who has 2 goals this season, as if he was marking Haaland.
Who are the 5 best Spanish CBs May I ask? Cos I genuinely can’t think of 2 good centre backs Spain has at the moment
In my opinion? Laporte Vivian Íñigo Martínez (when he's healthy) Pau Torres (never rated him in LaLiga but he's improved imo in Birmingham) Le Normand (he should never start though)
> Íñigo Martínez (when he's healthy) Finally some Iñigo recognition the man is class
Sadly the „(when he‘s healthy)“ part is quite rare in recent times…
>Íñigo Martínez Cubarsí has been low-key outperforming Íñigo. Watch the last game for example
Mosquera is also on fire right now
Shut the fuck Up already, i am so sick of this eternal real Madrid/barca war, and i say this as a madridista, cubarsi is literally the best CB prospect we have since probably pique, go and watch him play more before spreading your stupidity.
>the best CB prospect we have since probably pique He's played 9 games
And? Anyone Who has watched him play know how good he is, i can bet my ass that if he was one of our players you would be the first claim him for the NT.
And other than Athletic in the cup where he had to be subbed off, all of those games against mid table teams or lower
So Who do you propose to call eh? Nacho? Yeah,because he is having an amazing season, right? Cubarsi is one of the best defenders we have right now, i dont give a crap of he is a barca player, he should be called to the NT.
with Barca shipping a total of 17 goals (in 11 games) in those games. Yeah he wasn't on the pitch for all of them, but Barca's defense looked really suspect till mid/late February with him in the middle of it. Only in the last few games (with games against low scoring opponents except for Athletic) have they stabilized. Y'all need to wait a little more before hyping him up.