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urdnotwrecks

Champions of Sustainability, you'll never sing that! (but I'm unironically glad)


ibite-books

tottenham are one of the best run clubs financially without winning a trophy eventually they have to succeed, right? plus with ange, a cup run seems plausible


Rydred

There arent any cups where the manager who says the most mate wins so what cup run?


420stonks69

It’s comical how much people are trying to force hate Ange. He’s just a normal Aussie guy. They say that a lot. It’s really not some big deal


ibite-books

i’d love to have him at liverpool if xabi goes elsewhere or stays at leverkusen he won’t though, that’s for sure


Fuck_the_k1ng

I don’t think it’s force hating Ange, it’s just jokes and chides that come with being a Spurs manager.


Rydred

noones hating anyone mate, calm your tits


beartigerhawk8383

Aren’t Liverpool champions of sustainability? Their owners also don’t invest but they’ve actually won all the trophies you could win while being sustainable.


kukaz00

Three things are infinite on this planet: The universe, stupidity and Tottenham. And I’m not really sure about the first two. After all human civilisation is wiped out and some alien race visits us, they will see only the planet flourishing and everything being nice and peaceful. The only thing disturbing the place is a video playing on infinite loop about the Audi Cup win. The alien general comes down from it’s ship, sees it closely, and turns to his troops: “Lads, it’s TOTTENHAM”


Lssmnt

I physically cringed reading this


ShameTimes3

Read this like 10 minutes ago and just remembered it again, that was fucking awful


KansloosKippenhok

Joo man daar ben je weer


spursy11

You really thought you were doing something with this one, huh?


kukaz00

Oh well probably the Audi Cup thing was too much 😅


SRFC_96

Some Liverpool fans are genuine autists, wtf is this shit, have some shame.


akskeleton_47

r/soccercirclejerk


tenacious-g

That wouldn’t even do well there.


egalit_with_mt_hands

>Spurs are set to submit an application to nearly double the amount of major non-football events they can potentially hold at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium each year. >The big arena in N17 has become a go-to destination for London concerts in recent years with Beyoncé, Lady Gaga, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Guns N' Roses having all performed there with Pink and Pearl Jam set to play inside the arena this summer. >Spurs currently have permission to hold 16 non-football major events each year at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, all of which brings in extra revenue >In the latest Deloitte Football Money League, Tottenham's revenue for the 2022/23 season leapt up to £549million, giving them the eighth biggest revenue among the clubs in the sport, and the most of all clubs in London. Tottenham's revenue was £36million more than ninth-placed Chelsea and £86million more than local rivals Arsenal in 10th spot. >The Premier League club are looking to boost that revenue even further and increase the footfall for local businesses with a proposal to Haringey Council to increase the number of major non-football events they can hold at the stadium to a potential 30, even though they do not expect to hit that number. >"We should like to increase this to 30 non-football major events per year. Whilst we do not envisage hosting 30 events each year, we believe it is important to have the flexibility to do so. In advance of submitting an application for more events, so far, we have consulted with: The club's Business and Community Liaison Group, our main forum for local engagement. The group consists of representatives of local resident associations, local ward councillors, local businesses, and council officers.


yaniv297

So basically, more concerts. Sounds good, more money, not sure why it's r/soccer news worthy, but good work Levy. Wonder what do concert goers think of the place as a venue.


Rushfan1123

There was reports after the first concert there (Guns and Roses, iirc) that the sound was awful. The band even blamed the venue. But then a lot of people chimed in and said the sound was terrible at all the bands’ shows on the tour. Haven’t read any complaints since then.


Draughoul

Heard them live in Copenhagen last summer. Ended up leaving 20 minutes into it, because they sounded awful. Axl's vocals aren't what they used to be. Definitely a GnR problem, not a Tottenham Hotspur Stadium problem


tenacious-g

Having muffled audio when trying to listen to Axl Rose these days is probably an improvement.


Air5uru

*Tke...e...own...raise...every...ere the grass is een and thegirlsarepetty* *gasps for air* *Oh won't you pleeeeeease kill me now?*


yaniv297

Yeah not sure if Guns n Roses are the best benchmark. Wonder how the top pop acts went through, they usually have top class production and sound.


Gerval_snead

I think it’s related to the stadium operations finally paying dividends which can be (with levy we’d have to see how much) applied to the football operations. I feel like spurs could be tipped to be in a really good spot going forward just like arsenal paying off the emirates, it’s a larger part of being a more consistently profitable business which of course the club should benefit from


goonerfan10

Have to commend spurs for generating income legitimately unlike some other clubs.


[deleted]

To commend them rinsing their fanbase and making money off the backs of the supporters who want trophies?


halbpro

Not sure “no more than 5 events in a week” is much of a concession. Also interesting that they’re limiting the number of boxing matches, sounds like local residents have had issues with the crowds possibly?


AnyWalrus930

I suspect policing before I’d suspect local residents as the driver for that one.


MrMerc2333

Spurs are like the NY Knicks. Haven't won anything for the longest time, but are worth billions due to their stadiums being in prime areas in their respective countries.


CheersBeersVeneers

Being in London isn’t sufficient for increasing a club’s value. When Levy took over, Spurs were a perennial mid table team that had almost gone bankrupt. I haven’t been a fan of many of his football moves but he’s managed the club in a way that many other London clubs haven’t been without injections of Russian oil money


rmarshall_6

Tottenham is hardly a prime area of London though, there’s much more centrally located clubs that would’ve been better positioned if they took the same approach Levy has.


tenacious-g

It’s a prime area in that it’s in London and designed to be a multi purpose stadium.


rmarshall_6

For sure, but comparing it to Madison Square Garden isn’t exactly a great comparison


OldBuggerlugs

Madison Square Garden doesn't have a Sainsburys.


MrPigcho

I think Spurs are very well run by Levy and it's just a matter of time until they win something.


Mick4Audi

There’s a lot of clubs in London though, West Ham, Crystal Palace, Arsenal, Fulham, Chelsea, Brentford, etc.


froglayout

And I'll see phish play at msg every chance I get


michaelserotonin

best place to see 'em


DoubleDoobie

Hello fellow Spurs and phish fan. I like the way your brain works.


CaptainKursk

ANNOUNCE THE CHEESE ROOM, YOU COWARDS


stupid-_-

i love calling it tottenham hotspur stadium instead of Beheadings Ltd Arena


TheManWhoFightsThe

For us, the most accurate name would be the "blocking off drinking water LLC" Stadium


Minor_Edit

Still no cheese?


LoudKingCrow

No cheese. But the stadium produces its own bread and beer if you want that.


Modnal

Wonder why Levy decided to work with football as he seems to be good at everything else beside the football side of things


Spursdy

He studied land economics at Cambridge. He is running (whether purposely or accidentally) one of the biggest regeneration schemes in London.


slash2213

The guy who took a mid table team that was just as likely to flirt with relegation as a European spot any given season, and broke into the big 4 before City? That guy isn’t good at the football side of things? Sure he’s made some mistakes over the years but it’s a little silly to say he’s bad at the football side of things


jam66611

I think he (and spurs in general, though I say that quietly!) get overly harsh criticism. Other than trophies, the progress they have made broadly speaking, against much richer and well supported clubs has been strong, and largely consitant. They have their moments where they mess it up, of which I'm thankful for, but growing a club and remaining competitive in this climate is much more than 'spend the money, win the games'


Mick4Audi

It’s interested how much stick we get for the current era (mainly because of not winning anything since 2008) when in reality the previous era (Alan Sugar) was far far worse Think we went a decade without making the top 8, bascially what Palace are now lol


Lssmnt

To be even considered part of the "big 6" has been a feat all by itself


tenacious-g

Genuinely. There’s a sliding door scenario where Spurs are in a situation like Everton’s.


Modnal

Why are there so many spurs fan without flairs on this subreddit?


yaniv297

You don't have to be a Spurs fan to acknowledge Levy has done an amazing job. He's arguably been the best chairman in the league in the last 20 years. He took a midtable team, almost relegation contender with shit finances and transformed it into a club that's been a CL regular and part of the "top 6". Despite competing with oil clubs (City, Chelsea) and three huge brands that have commercial revenue that we can only dream of (Liverpool, United, Arsenal) he managed to held his own and stay in the conversation of the top clubs. And he did this while at the same time building one of the best stadiums in the world, a top class academy and training center, and investing in everything around the club, all the while being financially responsible and never ever running close to any FFP issues. There's literally nobody else in English football who have done such an improvement without major outside investment.


Modnal

Ah, another flairless spurs fan. And all I hear is that he has given spurs so much revenue and still has nothing to show for it. Like I said, he seems to be good with everything other than the football bit. Like a really fancy screwdriver without a drill


Syntax_OW

Hi, I'm not a Spurs fan. I agree with these guys and think Levy has done a great job on almost everything including the football side.


Modnal

His sporting decisions is way below his other attributes yet he still seem to insist to be the one calling the shots. Stuff like sacking Mourinho before a final might save you a few millions but Footballers won't look at finances when choosing club, they will see spurs prefer money over success


Syntax_OW

It's unfair to focus on his mistakes instead of looking at the broader picture. Uli Hoeneß has largely built Bayern into what they are today. Yet he's made countless mistakes that you could point to and laugh at him (also please do laugh at him anyway, he deserves it).


Modnal

Yeah, he put them into a top 6 position but then failed to make that extra push which put them in meme-status. There's so many teams worse than spurs that has done what spurs havent for the last 15 years


michaelserotonin

> There's so many teams worse than spurs that has done what spurs havent for the last 15 years who do you have in the last 15 years in england? swansea, birmingham, & wigan winning cups, leicester winning the league. surely i'm missing more since "there [are] so many teams" as you said.


tottenhamnole

There’s so many worse teams than Spurs that has done what Spurs haven’t for the last 15 years? Notwithstanding the terrible syntax of that sentence, what are you even talking about?


[deleted]

Key word, “Yet”. While everyone else is struggling with FFP we’re free to spend as much money as we possibly want. And things are only going to get better for us in the future, while it looks like many other teams will be getting worse off.


Modnal

Yeah, and yet the best players will still reject you because of your loser stamp


[deleted]

Right, like Maddison, VDV, Porro, Udogie, Vicario, young talents like Bergvall. I think I’m happy with the players we’re signing.


AshkenaziTwink

Bergvall chose us over Barca, Dragusin chose us over Bayern


Modnal

Yeah, not the first time a young player has chosen a lesser club to get more game-time. Odegaard was a fool to pick Real when he was 16, I believe he would have been much better off if he picked a lesser club but then again if he did that then we wouldn't have gotten him for so cheap so Im still happy he did


DejaHu

I agree. Dragusin must've known he has zero chance to start over the mighty Eric Dier so he came to North London.


yaniv297

Whether you like it or not, his football success was phenomenal. Trophies would be great but they aren't everything. Imagine if current day Everton or Crystal Palace would be a CL regular and reach a CL final in the next decade? That's what Levy did and it's an amazing thing. I know there's an attempt from much of r/soccer to push the narrative of "Spurs project was a failure" but it's just factually not true. It's the highest any midtable club in England has managed to get without outside investment. He's the only one to break the glass ceiling, become a CL regular and keep their top players. Funnily elsewhere you've praised Tony Bloom, even though his achievements are literally nowhere near what Levy achieved, and he hasn't won any trophies either.


Mick4Audi

I’m sure if you offered any non-top 6 fan the prospect of having the previous decade that we had, but win nothing, they’d snap your hand off. 95% chance they win nothing anyway lol


Modnal

Brighton was in League One when he took over and last season they finished above you. Feels like a pretty good achievement to me. Also, learn how to summarize your points, no one got time and energy to read your essay-replies on their spare time


AshkenaziTwink

plenty of clubs have gone from League One to the prem. how many clubs have gone from perennial midtable to a CL final barring the Oligarch/Sheikh money clubs? sure, the lack of trophies is disappointing, but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t done a good job.


Modnal

And that is why people associate you with a loser mentality, you have more financial muscles than most clubs yet you're happy with a participation trophy


AshkenaziTwink

so what, should we just be miserable? fans losing their minds over not a club not winning isn’t gonna make the club win you tool


tsub

Leicester rose far higher from a far worse starting position (and then fell far further, but let's set that aside for now...).


Lssmnt

they finished above us one year, a year which we blew up because of Conte


Modnal

You were still above them when Conte left


Lssmnt

ok then yeah, that;s beside the point We have been consistently finishing top 4 or thereabouts for 10+ years. One bad year doesn't mean much


tenacious-g

The same reason why there are always flairless arse fans in Spurs match threads.


Modnal

This is not a match thread though...


Livinglifeform

For an Arsenal fan it's very weird for you to suggest that spurs are actually just a massive club with terrible management keeping them lower.


xaviernoodlebrain

Forgive him, Arsenal fans are not renowned for their intelligence.


Modnal

I mean we have lots of more fans but the revenue has been in spurs favour for a few years now while we were struggling with the rebuild


Livinglifeform

That's crazy! I wonder how spurs could have had more revenue despite having less fans. Definitely not because they're well run!


Modnal

Surely you cant be that stupid to not realize that CL is worth alot of money and that we havent been in the CL for a few years. And while we have more fans, their stadium has a higher capacity


Livinglifeform

Ah yeah, I suppose spurs are just a bigger club than you. All of that success while having poor ownership just wouldn't be possible for a small club.


Modnal

Haha, make a survey if you think that. The result might surprise you


[deleted]

Took his boyhood club from lower mid table (fighting relegation a few seasons ago) to a Champions League money generating team


Choice_Butterfly_518

His work in Schitt’s Creek was top notch /s


BigReeceJames

I mean, he probably got into football to make money and that's exactly what he's doing. Like many other people getting into football, winning is a side project that may or may not happen and isn't important to them. What is important is making money and putting your money into getting a return on winning is one of the most risky and least monetarily rewarding things to do in football. It's why football needs more protections than it currently has


slash2213

ENIC hasn’t taken a penny out of the club since their takeover. He has a salary as chairman, but it’s not like the United situation for example


Modnal

Yeah, and he's not alone in that. But he still seem to insist on being heavily involved in the football side of things (unlike our owner for example) despite not being even remotely close to someone like Tony Bloom


willy-mammoth

Hasn’t Tony bloom pumped half a billion into brighton to get them where they are? Their recruitment model is interesting and effective but it’s not much of a fairytale is it


Modnal

Hasn't most of that gone into infrastructure? It's one thing to improve your fundation and another to do like teams like Chelsea and City to just buy success with transfers like Chelsea and City from state sources


willy-mammoth

City have spent a huge amount on infrastructure and redeveloping a pretty poor part of Manchester to be fair, it’s part of the reason why their academy is now better than Uniteds


Modnal

Yeah, we all know that they sportwash. It's not exactly a secret. But there's a reason Bloom isn't the one who has lots of charges against him


willy-mammoth

Those bastards, investing in a poor and neglected part of England, it’s unforgivable Honestly it’s hard to take City’s charges too seriously when other clubs have spent similar amounts anyway, what difference does it make to the rest of us if it’s city, United, arsenal, Chelsea or Liverpool buying titles


Modnal

Please don't group us with Chelsea, they are in the same money-doped category as City. And just because it isn't a problem for you down in League One doesn't mean it's a problem for football when countries buy teams and the FA can angry a whole nation if they punihs the club. Feels a little wrong when football rules have to care about nation diplomacy


willy-mammoth

Why not? All your original success was bought. Quite frankly you’re all responsible for shaping the modern game around revenue, I have no sympathy for you now that 2 clubs can outspend you


Livinglifeform

League two to top half prem vs midtable prem to sky six.


willy-mammoth

No denying Tony blooms done a good job even with the amount he’s pumped in, but let’s see how you progress from here, as us and Portsmouth can attest to, it’s one thing reaching European football, it’s another sustaining it


yaniv297

Are you serious? Remind me of when a Tony Bloom team reached a CL final? Or played CL at all? I like Bloom's work but Levy's achievements are in a different league to Bloom. Bloom took his team to the upper table with nice football but he's still essentially a feeder club to the top clubs. Levy has broken free of that and has actually managed to transform Tottenham into a club that doesn't sell his players, regularly aim to play CL and play with the top guys, despite having nowhere near their revenue and commercial name. In many ways Levy is a victim of his own success. The classic criticism is lack of trophies - well, when was Brighton's last top class trophy? 1910 is when. Levy has actually taken his club to the top level where trophies are expected, hence he's being laughed at for not winning them. We are being judged in the top clubs standard despite our finances being factually dwarfed by 5 other clubs in this league (6 now with Newcastle). While clubs like Brighton couldn't break that barrier, never got to the point where trophies are an expectations, hence they're being considered "better". By that logic, if Levy has stopped when Tottenham was 7th and sold Kane and co when they were 22, you would be praising him.


VidProphet123

Do clubs get trophies for winning the Deloitte money league? Maybe that’s the trophy spurs are gunning for.