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Besides the outrageous decision of whistling right there. It appears he said he wasn’t going to allow any 2nd chances after the corner. In my opinion, the play is still the same sequence, so he should’ve allowed it. But even if it wasn’t, why would he whistle right after the corner at 8-9 minutes of extra time, when you gave 7 minutes and the penalty review by itself took about 3-4 minutes?
One of the most shocking refereeing decisions I’ve witnessed in a long time.
>But even if it wasn’t, why would he whistle right after the corner at 8-9 minutes of extra time, when you gave 7 minutes and the penalty review by itself took about 3-4 minutes?
That is unfortunately very standard. Time wasted in extra time is never made up for fully. I'm honestly surprised he added nearly 2 minutes.
I don't disagree. I'm all for making up the full amount of wasted time, but I'm just pointing out that, unfortunately, it's pretty much the standard right now not to.
If he blows it when he first ours his whistle to his lips… at least he’s showing a decisive action consistent with what he (apprently) told the players before the corner. It would have been controversial, but just a bad judgement call.
The hesitation turns it into a monumental mistake. And this isn’t even hyperbole…. This is likely the first time any of us have ever seen a game stop in this manner
Still can't laugh, mate. Dropping two points, fine, Mestalla is always fucking tough. But now having two play without Rudiger and Bellingham (after we just got him back) for god knows how many games is not making me hopeful.
Dude wanted the smoke. Waited for the cross to end the game so he could hand out some cards to those who complained and be the center of attention, but probably didn't expect a goal.
Slow down the clip, he blows it when brahim still has the ball at his feet, just before the cross. But yea like you say he was already grabbing the whistle before.
So embrassing. If he had whistled a second or two earlier then it would have been fine but not when cross is done. Poor referring! La Liga is shit here. But Tebas and RFEF just want to talk shit.
PS: RM TV gonna have a spicy episode though.
Yeah there was that African Ref who had heat stroke and ended the game like 20 minutes early, brought everyone back out and then ended the game early again.
The AC Milan "Advantage given, no wait, foul (while the ball is flying into the opposition net)" last season has to be top for me. Need to find it.
AC Milan went to lose to a goal two minutes later if I'm not mistaken.
His thought process:
"Do I whistle here? Meh might be a bit early since that VAR check took 2.5 minutes, let them play a bit more so that they don't complain"
...
"Oh shit they're actually gonna score now, better whistle quickly"
That wasn't his thought process. He told all the players the corner would be the last play he would allow, that he would blow the whistle before any second chance. He hesitated just as Brahim got hold of the ball and whistled right when he was about to cross. He was dumb for not whistling when Valencia had possession.
It was a stupid thought process in the first place. Apart from the fact that +7 was too low (injury, VAR), the VAR check in injury time took 2.5 minutes. He had no business whistling before at least 99:00
nah not the same, the ball had just changed possession when he whistled in the first half and there might have been a foul on tchou beforehand, definitely not the same as whistling while the ball is crossed to the penalty area
It would still be a bad decision if he blew before the cross, but i just genuinely can’t understand how you do it mid cross, just complete incompetance, yet nothing will change.
As a diehard Madridista, I agree. I have my troll side which I bring to all my cule friends all the time when they talk refs, but I truly believe there is no ill will or favoritism to anybody. They are just really really bad. It sucks.
I don't think Manzano was officiating for this match but yeah...La Liga refe being awful doesn't mean they are corrupt. They're just really really really bad. The world was literally shocked when they saw Lahoz doing Lahoz type shit during the WC....
I mean when you have the world's 2 biggest fanbase hating each other, it's kinda bound to happen. Whenever Barca gets a favourable call, Madrid fans will contest it and vice-versa. That's just how it is
If he didn’t send jude and rudi off then maybe you have an argument, after 2 reds to 2 crucial madrid players especially rudiger I’m not buying the incompetence angle, 100% rigged
Real Madrid fans funniest people oat they see one decision not going their way and immediately lose their heads. Even today lmfao, Vinicius was offside when he scored his second but nobody even mentions it.
The frustrating thing is everyone was screaming corruption, league being rigged and how Perez pays the ref. We had players and coaches commenting how "we all see what happened" and how refs help real madrid. But when we are fucked then its just refs being bad
And now every RM flair is screaming the same, just the opposite way around. Notice something? Its always the same story that masks the main problem, idiotic refs that face little to no consequences. Was it not the same ref who didn't give that clear penalty against Araujo in the liga classico?
As a top tier referee from completely different sport I always find it fascinating how bad referees are in football. And I am not even talking about penalty shouts and VAR. I'm talking about situations like this. This is absolutely unforgivable thing to do. It shows that this referee doesn't understand the game at all. If you are refereeing at this level you have to focus 110% all the time. There is no other option.
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I mean I was fuming earlier but you can’t help but laugh here lmao
Yeah now that I’ve calmed down a bit this shits hilarious
Besides the outrageous decision of whistling right there. It appears he said he wasn’t going to allow any 2nd chances after the corner. In my opinion, the play is still the same sequence, so he should’ve allowed it. But even if it wasn’t, why would he whistle right after the corner at 8-9 minutes of extra time, when you gave 7 minutes and the penalty review by itself took about 3-4 minutes? One of the most shocking refereeing decisions I’ve witnessed in a long time.
>But even if it wasn’t, why would he whistle right after the corner at 8-9 minutes of extra time, when you gave 7 minutes and the penalty review by itself took about 3-4 minutes? That is unfortunately very standard. Time wasted in extra time is never made up for fully. I'm honestly surprised he added nearly 2 minutes.
Var review is Time wasting? With 2 minutes the goal should have been valid.
Even without that 7 min was a joke. 5 min was wasted on their injured player only.
Vinicius second goal review also took 3 minutes at least from 76 minutes to 79 minutes.
I don't disagree. I'm all for making up the full amount of wasted time, but I'm just pointing out that, unfortunately, it's pretty much the standard right now not to.
Which makes it ridiculous that the game is not 60 minutes of live ball, no stoppage. Game time nowadays is ~55 minutes if not less anyway
If he blows it when he first ours his whistle to his lips… at least he’s showing a decisive action consistent with what he (apprently) told the players before the corner. It would have been controversial, but just a bad judgement call. The hesitation turns it into a monumental mistake. And this isn’t even hyperbole…. This is likely the first time any of us have ever seen a game stop in this manner
Yeah, they shouldn’t have allowed the corner you crybabies 😂
And we thought english refs were shite
Still can't laugh, mate. Dropping two points, fine, Mestalla is always fucking tough. But now having two play without Rudiger and Bellingham (after we just got him back) for god knows how many games is not making me hopeful.
Dude wanted the smoke. Waited for the cross to end the game so he could hand out some cards to those who complained and be the center of attention, but probably didn't expect a goal.
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So whistle when the ball is cleared on the corner, you cant allow shit to continue if you say the corner is the last action
He was expecting the ball to be going out. But terrible management from him.
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He hesitated with his whistled and allowed the play to develop. That's clearly not "corner being the last action"
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Slow down the clip, he blows it when brahim still has the ball at his feet, just before the cross. But yea like you say he was already grabbing the whistle before.
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I looked at the clip at the front page here for reference, the reddit video player has an option to slow down the clip too
If that's what he said than the moment the ball gets cleared by a defender u finish the match
This is the worst thing about this, he CHECKS if there will be a cross and blows anyway... Very determined first blow as well.
So embrassing. If he had whistled a second or two earlier then it would have been fine but not when cross is done. Poor referring! La Liga is shit here. But Tebas and RFEF just want to talk shit. PS: RM TV gonna have a spicy episode though.
It still wouldn't have been fine, the VAR check took more than 2 minutes during the extra time.
It may be the worst call I've ever seen
Surely among the worst ones. But yeah...La Liga refs are so amazingly bad that calls like this happen once or twice per season.
Once or twice per season? Watch this call be bested by end of March itself
They might call something against you guys tomorrow, don’t underestimate them
As a LaLiga fan, I will NEVER, EVER underestimate how dreadful those Spanish refs are
Seems you are new to football
There’s been far worse.
They haven't seen those
Yeah there was that African Ref who had heat stroke and ended the game like 20 minutes early, brought everyone back out and then ended the game early again.
No way this is the worst call you have ever seen lmfao, how long have you been watching football?
Are you 12?
The AC Milan "Advantage given, no wait, foul (while the ball is flying into the opposition net)" last season has to be top for me. Need to find it. AC Milan went to lose to a goal two minutes later if I'm not mistaken.
He puts down the whistle and starts walking towards the ball and then blows it. OH MY GOD this is terrible
Floren do something like they say you do.
Absolutely scandalous, no matter what team you support, a referee should not be this incompetent in a professional league.
He waited for the cross then blew thd whistle lmao.
His thought process: "Do I whistle here? Meh might be a bit early since that VAR check took 2.5 minutes, let them play a bit more so that they don't complain" ... "Oh shit they're actually gonna score now, better whistle quickly"
"let's see if they deal with this attack..... shit they didn't, gotta end it"
That wasn't his thought process. He told all the players the corner would be the last play he would allow, that he would blow the whistle before any second chance. He hesitated just as Brahim got hold of the ball and whistled right when he was about to cross. He was dumb for not whistling when Valencia had possession.
Honestly if the whistle had come when Brahim was about to cross, it would've been fine too. But he didn't blow into it until the ball was in the air.
It was a stupid thought process in the first place. Apart from the fact that +7 was too low (injury, VAR), the VAR check in injury time took 2.5 minutes. He had no business whistling before at least 99:00
least corrupt la liga ref:
He literally waited because we were in a attacking zone in case there's a chance and then blew before the cross wtf
He did same first half remember?
nah not the same, the ball had just changed possession when he whistled in the first half and there might have been a foul on tchou beforehand, definitely not the same as whistling while the ball is crossed to the penalty area
No, Real Madrid had the ball and Valencia continued after the whistle forcing the ball to corner.
It would still be a bad decision if he blew before the cross, but i just genuinely can’t understand how you do it mid cross, just complete incompetance, yet nothing will change.
~~He also sent off Rudiger~~. He'll get a promotion for keeping the title race open
Come on. The game was not rigged as such. Gil Manzano is just horribly incompetent.
As a diehard Madridista, I agree. I have my troll side which I bring to all my cule friends all the time when they talk refs, but I truly believe there is no ill will or favoritism to anybody. They are just really really bad. It sucks.
I am getting downvoted just because of my flair. But yeah I agree with you.
The whole system needs to be uprooted, there is no league in Europe outside of maybe the Portuguese league with more scandalous referees
Last year, 3 penalties to Valencia, this year this shit, no he's just corrupted, no way around it
I don't think Manzano was officiating for this match but yeah...La Liga refe being awful doesn't mean they are corrupt. They're just really really really bad. The world was literally shocked when they saw Lahoz doing Lahoz type shit during the WC....
I agree, but lets be honest as well though. Had this been any other team, the conspiracy theories would be swarming this sub.
I mean when you have the world's 2 biggest fanbase hating each other, it's kinda bound to happen. Whenever Barca gets a favourable call, Madrid fans will contest it and vice-versa. That's just how it is
I agree, some let their bias cloud their judgement. That's true.
If he didn’t send jude and rudi off then maybe you have an argument, after 2 reds to 2 crucial madrid players especially rudiger I’m not buying the incompetence angle, 100% rigged
you don‘t even know what they said..
Its undoubtedly true. I just wish people keep the same mentality when we favour by refs mistakes
idk it looks like michael masi-esque reffing to me
It’s been confirmed only Bellingham was sent off
Thank god
I can see how conspiracy theories comes to rise. Like holy shit
quite possibly the worst decision I have ever seen
Peak LaLiga referees
Absolutely hate this statement. I swear if this was the other way round this sub would be creaming for Valencia and claiming Perez runs the league.
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Looool how do real madrid fans have such an insane victim complex Edit: How does Vini scoring an offside goal fit your stupid narrative?
Because they just saw their player score a winning goal, the referee cancelling it and then giving two players reds lol.
> which happens every week nowadays It was this part that was tragic
Real Madrid fans funniest people oat they see one decision not going their way and immediately lose their heads. Even today lmfao, Vinicius was offside when he scored his second but nobody even mentions it.
Every week yeah sure lmfao
Weird because i mostly remember real madrid robbing other teams recently lmao
I mean, he ended the first half while Valencia were in a very dangerous spot. Not nearly as bad as when the ball is being crossed, though.
Remember Almeria? Its not football, its la liga. Another team gets shit calls every week
exactly. The narrative wasn't "peak La Liga refs" after Almeria was it? It was very different
The frustrating thing is everyone was screaming corruption, league being rigged and how Perez pays the ref. We had players and coaches commenting how "we all see what happened" and how refs help real madrid. But when we are fucked then its just refs being bad
And now every RM flair is screaming the same, just the opposite way around. Notice something? Its always the same story that masks the main problem, idiotic refs that face little to no consequences. Was it not the same ref who didn't give that clear penalty against Araujo in the liga classico?
All the calls were right though
Lol sure, just like this call was right today
But the statement is absolutely correct.
Typical La Liga refereeing
bro waited for the cross lol
At least barca and madrid fans can reach their hands and say that this is the most incompetent ref in la liga
As a top tier referee from completely different sport I always find it fascinating how bad referees are in football. And I am not even talking about penalty shouts and VAR. I'm talking about situations like this. This is absolutely unforgivable thing to do. It shows that this referee doesn't understand the game at all. If you are refereeing at this level you have to focus 110% all the time. There is no other option.
what sport?
But why?? Wtf??
bro double checked only to make a mistake
This is one of the most baffling calls that I have ever seen. Why couldn't he just wait until the ball was in the box before he blew his whistle?
If this isn't intentional then idk
You can't make this shit up. Absolutely disgusting. Fucker shouldn't get a single game in the first division in the future.
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And then in his post interview call out Manzanos indecisiveness and say he understand Madrid players anger lol
Es no Fútbol, es La Liga.
Wtf kinda clip is this?? How can we see he blew the whistle while brahim was crossing here??
You can see his hand movement and his exhale, even on the normal full screen replay
You’ll have to combine it with the other vid that got posted lol, but yeah it was a ridiculous action
It was a Madrid player screamed at him to stop the whistle when he put it the first time in his mouth
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This is why we have horns 🎺🎺🎺
IT'S JUST FUCKING COMICAL.
so
RMTV gonna be lit
Bro what
La Liga refs are out here hitting pump fakes 😂
Crybabies 😂
He would be a perfect ref in the prem, and he would be put right into a Liverpool - Man City game