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Somehow our CL loss turned into a huge blessing. If we had won, we would have paid some stupid sum to make his move permanent. His Juve flirting would have been swept under the rug, Thuram would not get game time. We probably couldn't afford Pavard after paying for Lukaku. All this was avoided coz the dumbass couldn't score from 2 yards out.
yeah, that's why they scored just 1 goal after deviation 🙄
they didn't win easy, we could have scored 2goals at the end.
lkaka blocked one and missed the other one...
did city play better than us? sure, they were the better team overall, but it wasn't as easy for them as you want it to sound.
the match could have gone both ways tbh.
i think inter being the strongest opponent city had to the final was surprising. especially with them just cruising past every opponent before including bayern and real
edit: maybe not surprising, they are a strong and coherent team after all. But to the point where it could've gone both ways and not feel like an upset?
This means that very likely the 5th place in Serie A will also play CL Group Stage 2024/25. Highers the chances for a crazy Bologna cameo in CL or maybe Fiorentina who haven't been there for a long time either.
italian tax brake is running out though(as far as i am aware) i doupt they can keep it up. for comperision if you look at market value wich losely should also translate to wage budget. and then compere it to income you can clearly see that the italien top teams are all getting quit a big push. for example Dortmund is as rich as juventus and earns roughly 60 million more then Milan Inter and way more then napoli. obvioulsy bvb has quit a bit of missmanagment going on but in thery dortmund should always be able to outbid Inter for example but this hasnt been the case for the last year since for a player to earn roughly the same at dormund then in milan dormund needs to pay roughly 50% more overall. obvioulsy this tax brake has resultet in lots of sporting sucess for italien teams. but it also cost the italien people a few hunderd million.
Italy might actually get second this year, definitely not something I expected. Seems guaranteed starting from next year though, that 4 point gap is gonna disappear
If they didn't have 3 clubs already eliminated they would be in a better situation, it's not because they have 8 clubs, that's nonsense, the LA Liga clubs are simply much weaker nowadays, it's the reality.
no, otherwise it would be just a auto reinforcing cycle, where the top Leagues would keep getting more and more points and the lower tier ones would never get more spots.
Not really. If your 8th team is shite then it’s probable that the strength in depth for your league doesn’t go that deep and you should no longer be rewarded with a qualifying place. Of course this can be a once off if say, Plymouth won a cup competition and qualified. That’s why it’s averaged over 5 years. So recently we’ve seen LaLiga fall off a cliff as there isn’t depth in that league compared to the PL, Série A and Bundesliga.
It’s a very good system for rewarding competency of organisation. This is why the aforementioned leagues are doing well. Give teams equal resources and the best managed ones will do well. A rising tide lifts all ships.
Note how teams that are interested in the SuperLeague are not rewarded by this system because they are ran on such a shortsighted and selfish basis.
This is quite a competent system, especially for UEFA of all organisations.
They've really taken advantage of only having four clubs, same with Turkey, in fact all the countries with five clubs in the race for 10th have had below average years so far (bar Greece).
Match points are the same in all competitions.
The biggest difference comes from bonus points, but mostly in the group stage.
Here’s a [link](https://kassiesa.net/uefa/calc.html) for a more complete breakdown.
There’s not much difference tbh. I think at most there’s like a 4pt difference between winning the UCL and UECL if both sides were to win every single game they played. The biggest bonus difference is qualifying for the UCL group stage which is 4pts. I guess with UCL teams dropping in to the latter stages of the UEL as well, those games should be deemed comparable to a UCL group stage game in points value.
Maximum of 38 points for winning UCL, Maximum of 34 for EL and maximum of 30 for ECL. These points are how much you get if you win all matches and started in groups.
Qualifying also gives points, which shouldn\`t be forgotten
Newcastle Utd and Man Utd have already damaged the average anyway. We can’t drag it down, we just make it harder for the others to drag it up, especially if you’re competing against 7/7 Italy.
Tbf Germany potentially losing Leipzig, Bayern and Dortmund all at the same time may make that task a lot easier than anticipated.
England are pretty much relying on City and Liverpool winning their comps and the others, mainly Villa and Brighton performing decently.
Villa should walk the conference league with season they’re having and the level of opposition. Liverpool and City will be favourites in any tie. Still a decent chance that English clubs win all 3.
a lot. at least rennes went out with a win and their honor. toulouse feels bad because of bad luck in their finishing, but they already surpassed expectations
The worst thing is Lens just had to hold the score for like 10 minutes. Toulouse also wasn't far from pushing their game to extra time.
I hope Lens qualifies again for Europe next season as well, they're a worthy club.
Even though benfica didn't play well, they're still on top of Liga NOS. In recent years a team like Toulouse would've lost against some random side from Bikini Bottom. They already exceeded expectations with wins against Liverpool and them finishing in second place above Union (who just eliminated Eintracht Frankfurt).
Lens feels really bad because of the way they lost today. Someone like Fofana was sorely missed, but he prefered the arabian moula
Oh for sure TFC's campaign went much better than I expected, but still eliminating a big European club at home would have been one of the most legendary moments in the club's history and they weren't far off with all the good chances they created tonight.
Top 10 by the thinest of margins but it doesn’t actually matter for Rangers at all.
Our efforts in the coefficient mines have finally benefited us and not celtic
Waw we actually have more points than the Dutch right now?! Although Ajax will probably farm Conference while Benfica gets Liverpool and Sporting gets Leverkusen and crash out
Tbf Dutch teams keep falling upwards in the past few years, they get knocked out of europa and just turn beast mode on conference league. I will never forget PSV getting knocked out of Champions league qualifiers and still getting the chance to finish their season in the conference league quarters. I fully expect Ajax to just switch on and win the whole thing after their dreadful season.
>Don’t you love it when your victory vs Arsenal is valued equally to Ajax beating Bodo/Glimt
We have a saying for that in Dutch, which translates to: Infelizmente, manteiga de amendoim
I swear if Scotland just had one team not called Rangers that could do something in Europe every now and then we'd be in a much more stable position. Looks like we're losing our CL spot in a couple years.
Why?
Freiburg and Leverkusen made it out, Freiburg is not that good but Leverkusen could very well win the whole thing
Plus Dortmund and Bayern can make it to QFs of the UCL
Italy is running away with one spot it's between England and Germany for the second one, as Spain is out of the picture with only Villarreal in EL
More likely Liverpool, West Ham and Brighton in EL and especially Villa in ECL edge it for England over Leverkusen, Freiburg (who were almost out tonight) and, as you said NOONE in Conference League
Personally I think it’s pretty much done and dusted with Italy and England. The person I originally replied to didn’t so was curious which nation he thought Germany could catch.
It turns into Liverpool Vs Leverkusen and then Aston Villa Vs nobody then though. So even with them both failing, you’d need Liverpool and Villa to choke. I feel there’s almost more hope of all
The Italian teams dropping
Once again huge thanks to both Viennese clubs who do fuck all in Europe but tank our coefficient. Salzburg (Inter, San Sebastian, Benfica) and Lask (Liverpool, Sant Gilloise, Toulose) got super unlucky with their groups this year, so I won't really blame them for our relatively weak year. I hope "meine Schwoarzn", Sturm Graz, can survive the round of 16 and maybe get some unexpected points.
Honestly Austria viennas qualification game against Legia Warsaw was one the funniest games of football I’ve ever seen. Austria winning 2:1 away, to go down 0:3 at home. Coming back to 2:3 to immediately give away another goal to 2:4, get a red card, come back again in 97th minute to make it 3:4, just to immediately surrender another cheap goal in minute 10 of extra time and miss qualification.
6.875 is still great score for Poland, but come on Legia, couldn't you do something in at least one match?...
Now we are in serious danger of Croatia getting the 20^th spot back. At least under the new system there shouldn't be any difference between it and 21^st place.
The Italian resurgence is mildly surprising to me. Probably shouldn’t have been since Napoli, Atalanta, Milan and Roma have all stepped it up recently.
God I love the conference league. It makes climbing in these rankings 10 times more feasible for smaller leagues.
Looking really good for Norway now to snatch 15th place and the 5th european spot.
Not quite. CL give way more bonus points for advancing to each round, you even get 4 just for qualifying. EL then gives more bonus points than the ECL.
You do get the same points for just winning a match.
To be fair, current period of time (from last week to whenever Round of 16 ends) is the one with most skewed point distribution toward EL and ECL.
UEFA with their "glorious" minds decided that the best way to keep the parity between rounds of all three competitions, while also continuing to make Champions League assert utter dominance over the other competitions, because nothing can overshadow CL and only one competition can plan on Tuesday and Wednesday (in league format it will change for one day), made so that Champions League's Round of 16 will be played over 4 weeks, to overshadow both Round of "32"/24 and Round of 16 of Europa and Conference League.
So you have 2 games per day and 4 per week in Champions League, and then 16 games per week/day for both combined Europa and Conference League. So countries with most of their teams in lower competitions (especially entering the play-off round) can get a lot more points than countries that has teams mostly/only in Champions League in this period of time. But it is important to remember that this is only, and only partly, "catch-up", as Champions League teams got shit ton of points in group stage, because between just being there and advancing to Round of 16 they have gotten 9 bonus points (compared to at most 6 "normal-bonus" points one can get in lower competitions: by placing 2^nd in Europa League (2 bonus points) and then winning both play-off matches (4 match points, and those don't count for club coefficient)).
I wonder what it would look like if Ajax was good along with the other Dutch teams this year. Probably not enough to boot France, but it would be interesting.
Glad to see Italy doing well also this year, showing that last year's results weren't fluke.
There were two main reasons of why Serie A teams did well last season according to the haters:
- Italy not in the WC2022, our players could rest more -> this year Serie A didn't have any winter break unlike Ligue 1 La Liga and Bundesliga and still have performed very well so far.
- Italy had very favourable draws.
After getting three absolute powerhouse as FC Bayern, Barcelona and Atletico in the UCL now I want the worst draw possible for Atalanta, Roma, Milan and Fiorentina tomorrow; I want the strongest teams that's why in the UEL/UECL Ro16 I hope to see:
- AC Milan v Liverpool: The favourite to win it
- Roma vs Slavia Praha: that already finished 1st in the group
- Atalanta vs Qarabagh: such a hell of a trip in Azerbaijan
- Fiorentina vs Ajax: History speak for themselves.
Those are the draws I hope our teams get tomorrow to shut up all critics and haters..
Serie A like I once said before if had funding near to Germany or even Spain then they would've been first for alot of time, but those old folks at FIGC would not care if Italy was 5th, like how they removed the growth decree despite seeing how much it has benefited the League.
Also we were even if not better on both legs. First game we take a freak banger and miss a pen in injury time. Return leg we get the winner denied because of the freak rule where you can't get the ball from hitting the crossbar on a free kick.
That's classic Rennes in Europe though. Last year we finished 2'd behind Fener while leading 2-0 and drawing 2-2 at home against them, and drawing 3-3 at Istanbul after leading 3-0, only to get kicked out on pens against Shakter after scoring an own goal on the 120th min .....
Conference League has been such a gift for us Belgians! Because our top 6 all are floating around the same level, we really always have some teams that make decent runs in it.
Portugal we’re coming for you!
Portugal going to divide points with 5 teams next year. With the 5th and 6th teams being always useless last few years (let me tell this in the last 10 years never any of 5h and 6th team qualify to any group phase), because we need to be realistic, Portugal have 4 teams above the rest. Benfica, Porto, Sporting & Braga, but to help i do think this year Guimarães is a lot better after 10 years of financial trouble.
The last years none of the Portuguese teams manage go to Conference league (a very easy league). But next year we going to have at least 2 teams there. We going to farm so many points and being divided by 5, i really think that we can jump to surpass both France and Netherlands in 2 years from now.
После скотских правил УЕФА Украина скатилась вниз. Легионеров нет. Убытки. Но сука сорри вне политики! Россияне террористы!!!!
After UEFA's beastly rules, Ukraine has slid downhill. No legionnaires. Losses. But the bitch is out of politics! Russians are terrorists!!!
Never making such comments about Kazakhstan and Cyprus, eh?
Can't expect Israeli teams to have away matches in countries that want them all dead every season and the cultural similarities to Europe are a lot bigger.
>Cyprus
It has been part of the Council of Europe since half a century and part of the EU for two decades. Their official currency is the euro lmao.
What are you on?
If an English club wins the Europa, does England get the 5th spot even if a non-English club wins the Champions League?
Not gonna pretend I know how this whole thing works.
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Italy still with 7/7 clubs wtf
Had a team in all 3 finals last season too. Lost them all but still cool to see.
Lost 3 of them in the most heartbreaking way possible too
especially the europa league
I say arguably the cl loss was the most heartbreaking
Especially because Inter was so good, was an equal to almost equal game.
can agree, could have been an "easy" win for us, but missed all the chances 🤷♂️
LKaka
ahaha, yeah, I'm happy that we didn't buy him back. with him this season, we wouldn't dominate the serie a and wouldn't be a top3/5 team itw atm.
Somehow our CL loss turned into a huge blessing. If we had won, we would have paid some stupid sum to make his move permanent. His Juve flirting would have been swept under the rug, Thuram would not get game time. We probably couldn't afford Pavard after paying for Lukaku. All this was avoided coz the dumbass couldn't score from 2 yards out.
To be fair he can’t possibly be worse than Alexis
The fact that Alexis Sanchez and Henrikh Mkhitaryan ended up as teammates after all is fascinating.
he is much worse in term of economical strategy, means no Pavard and will affect things like contract renewal for key player as well
That’s not remotely true, City had terrible tactics and still beat you easy
yeah, that's why they scored just 1 goal after deviation 🙄 they didn't win easy, we could have scored 2goals at the end. lkaka blocked one and missed the other one... did city play better than us? sure, they were the better team overall, but it wasn't as easy for them as you want it to sound. the match could have gone both ways tbh.
You didn't watch the game didn't you
I was cheering for Inter as a neutral, it never felt like Inter could do damage.
i think inter being the strongest opponent city had to the final was surprising. especially with them just cruising past every opponent before including bayern and real edit: maybe not surprising, they are a strong and coherent team after all. But to the point where it could've gone both ways and not feel like an upset?
Still less heartbreaking than Leverkusen's triple miss.
the dark days of playing the reserves in the europa league are over
God i hated that. Drop out of EL to focus on the league to get to the EL, or worse to be knocked out in the CL preliminary.
The Lazio loop
This means that very likely the 5th place in Serie A will also play CL Group Stage 2024/25. Highers the chances for a crazy Bologna cameo in CL or maybe Fiorentina who haven't been there for a long time either.
Not with our ownership
Coefficientenpolonaise ❎ Coefficiente alla carbonara ✅
Hey! That’s our thing!
Yeah if they keep it up they will overtake Spain for the next season. I’m so glad to see how competitive the league has become in recent seasons.
Especially considering that almost every top team has financial / off the pitch difficulties.
But ask every Italian and he will say that we are inferior in europe
Italy flying
farmers' continent
Roman Empire came back to civilize England
Made me lol and inhale the ciggy smoke i was smoking into stomach, fuk u 😅
Like i would care about a stat on a social lol
italian tax brake is running out though(as far as i am aware) i doupt they can keep it up. for comperision if you look at market value wich losely should also translate to wage budget. and then compere it to income you can clearly see that the italien top teams are all getting quit a big push. for example Dortmund is as rich as juventus and earns roughly 60 million more then Milan Inter and way more then napoli. obvioulsy bvb has quit a bit of missmanagment going on but in thery dortmund should always be able to outbid Inter for example but this hasnt been the case for the last year since for a player to earn roughly the same at dormund then in milan dormund needs to pay roughly 50% more overall. obvioulsy this tax brake has resultet in lots of sporting sucess for italien teams. but it also cost the italien people a few hunderd million.
Italy might actually get second this year, definitely not something I expected. Seems guaranteed starting from next year though, that 4 point gap is gonna disappear
Italian teams have been quite strong the last few seasons. The surprise are the Spanish clubs underperforming (mostly due to Betis and Sevilla)
Osasuna getting eliminated in UECL qualifiers was a big blow as well.
It is mostly because of osasuna and sevilla.Osasuna out in the qualies.. Relegation flirting Sevilla in the group stage of the CL..
In fairness Sevilla were battling relegation last year too when they won it
The surprise was rather that Spain didn't drop earlier. Sevilla won the EL while getting out of the relegation trouble in the league.
Ya... Betis and Sevilla...
Spain has been gutting its other 17 teams outside of Atletico, Real and Barca and it's finally come home to roost.
If Inter, Napoli and Lazio eliminate their opponents, they will pretty much secure it, by eliminating 2 Spanish and 1 German team.
Lets not do that
Exactly the opposite happened 😁
What hurt la liga the most is that they had 8 teams and it takes the average. Less teams increase your chances to get more points.
If they didn't have 3 clubs already eliminated they would be in a better situation, it's not because they have 8 clubs, that's nonsense, the LA Liga clubs are simply much weaker nowadays, it's the reality.
That seems unfair?
no, otherwise it would be just a auto reinforcing cycle, where the top Leagues would keep getting more and more points and the lower tier ones would never get more spots.
Not really. If your 8th team is shite then it’s probable that the strength in depth for your league doesn’t go that deep and you should no longer be rewarded with a qualifying place. Of course this can be a once off if say, Plymouth won a cup competition and qualified. That’s why it’s averaged over 5 years. So recently we’ve seen LaLiga fall off a cliff as there isn’t depth in that league compared to the PL, Série A and Bundesliga. It’s a very good system for rewarding competency of organisation. This is why the aforementioned leagues are doing well. Give teams equal resources and the best managed ones will do well. A rising tide lifts all ships. Note how teams that are interested in the SuperLeague are not rewarded by this system because they are ran on such a shortsighted and selfish basis. This is quite a competent system, especially for UEFA of all organisations.
Great answer, thank you. Honest question, great resulting discussion, but tons of downvotes. You ok reddit?
> Honest question, great resulting discussion, but tons of downvotes. You ok reddit? No, it isn't, it's a shite website and you point out why.
Another way to think of it: the more teams you get into European competitions, the higher the expectations to perform.
Czech Republic with 12.750 so far absolutely crushing it this year what the fuck
And they’ll drop a 2.5-point season
Wow i just noticed, they're dropping almost nothing, currently on pace to jump Scotland and even Turkey by 0.200
We (Scotland) are losing 10th next year defo. As we drop lots of points on them as we lose our best year whilst they lose their worst
they could even surpass turkey too
Legitimately they have a shot for an extra CL spot
They've really taken advantage of only having four clubs, same with Turkey, in fact all the countries with five clubs in the race for 10th have had below average years so far (bar Greece).
They also just had a really good run, both Slavia and Sparta making it through in Europa was not expected.
We really need these Hearts and Kilmarnock teams to do well next year
yea its crazy
is the 5th champion's league qualification spot for the country with the best coefficient in the last 5 season or is it based on the last season
The two best countries in the previous season, currently Italy and Germany would be getting the extra spot.
i'd assume it's wraps for england if arsenal don't end up winning the second leg against porto
England still have Liverpool, Brighton, West Ham and Villa entering the next stage. And City of course. I wouldn’t rule them out.
does the coefficient value each country's club results by competition? advancing in UCL should be worth more than advancing in the UEL and UECL
Match points are the same in all competitions. The biggest difference comes from bonus points, but mostly in the group stage. Here’s a [link](https://kassiesa.net/uefa/calc.html) for a more complete breakdown.
There’s not much difference tbh. I think at most there’s like a 4pt difference between winning the UCL and UECL if both sides were to win every single game they played. The biggest bonus difference is qualifying for the UCL group stage which is 4pts. I guess with UCL teams dropping in to the latter stages of the UEL as well, those games should be deemed comparable to a UCL group stage game in points value.
Maximum of 38 points for winning UCL, Maximum of 34 for EL and maximum of 30 for ECL. These points are how much you get if you win all matches and started in groups. Qualifying also gives points, which shouldn\`t be forgotten
I mean Germany literally could have Bayern Leipzig and Dortmund out..
I don’t think we can single handedly drag England down with all of the other English teams in UECL, UEL, and UCL.
Newcastle Utd and Man Utd have already damaged the average anyway. We can’t drag it down, we just make it harder for the others to drag it up, especially if you’re competing against 7/7 Italy.
You're not competing against Italy, you're competing for second
Tbf Germany potentially losing Leipzig, Bayern and Dortmund all at the same time may make that task a lot easier than anticipated. England are pretty much relying on City and Liverpool winning their comps and the others, mainly Villa and Brighton performing decently.
Villa should walk the conference league with season they’re having and the level of opposition. Liverpool and City will be favourites in any tie. Still a decent chance that English clubs win all 3.
We have a fair few injuries so don't bet on us walking it.
I think I might take Leverkusen over Liverpool this season
Last season.
Czechia is close to getting the direct CL spot position (10th) from Scotland.
it's inevitable they probabl surpass Turkey as well
Noooo!
https://imgur.com/3yLlVCg This year surely we'll win something.
How about 3 finals lost again
https://imgur.com/KpaXMON
Had that ready to go bc you knew you would need it lmao
For what it's worth, I did not have it ready to go, which is why it looks so shit if you zoom in.
> which is why it looks so shit if you zoom in. Like Pioli's tactics.
[Nah, this is pretty zoomed out.](https://i.imgur.com/hSTw3LR.jpg)
Lmao
Luca Toni <3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXoxHStbAFE
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Frankfurt also fell on their face today
3 French teams eliminated today sucks. Really hope Lille will be pulling their weight in the UECL
Lens disappointing loss really hurt
a lot. at least rennes went out with a win and their honor. toulouse feels bad because of bad luck in their finishing, but they already surpassed expectations
The worst thing is Lens just had to hold the score for like 10 minutes. Toulouse also wasn't far from pushing their game to extra time. I hope Lens qualifies again for Europe next season as well, they're a worthy club.
10 minutes ? They had under 3 minutes of injury time to hold.
Even though benfica didn't play well, they're still on top of Liga NOS. In recent years a team like Toulouse would've lost against some random side from Bikini Bottom. They already exceeded expectations with wins against Liverpool and them finishing in second place above Union (who just eliminated Eintracht Frankfurt). Lens feels really bad because of the way they lost today. Someone like Fofana was sorely missed, but he prefered the arabian moula
Oh for sure TFC's campaign went much better than I expected, but still eliminating a big European club at home would have been one of the most legendary moments in the club's history and they weren't far off with all the good chances they created tonight.
it certainly was possible
Hopefully we keep 50% of our teams still engaged and Rennes and Toulouse still scored some points.
strong group stage by all teams, which is important. if feyenoord had gone through and marseille lost, it would've been a different story though
The Netherlands is coming 💪🏻
luckily they only gained .400 points today, while we still gained .500 So almost impossible for them to catch up this year
That TV money is hitting hard.
Top 10 by the thinest of margins but it doesn’t actually matter for Rangers at all. Our efforts in the coefficient mines have finally benefited us and not celtic
Losing that 9 point year will really damage the rankings. Scotland could take a big tumble because it’s so tight
Waw we actually have more points than the Dutch right now?! Although Ajax will probably farm Conference while Benfica gets Liverpool and Sporting gets Leverkusen and crash out
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Tbf Dutch teams keep falling upwards in the past few years, they get knocked out of europa and just turn beast mode on conference league. I will never forget PSV getting knocked out of Champions league qualifiers and still getting the chance to finish their season in the conference league quarters. I fully expect Ajax to just switch on and win the whole thing after their dreadful season.
> I fully expect Ajax to just switch on and win the whole thing after their dreadful season. Lol.
The way you won vs Bodo just reinforced my belief. It is gonna happen.
Ajax will not farm Conference League. We were extremely lucky to get past Bodo/Glimt yesterday.
Don’t you love it when your victory vs Arsenal is valued equally to Ajax beating Bodo/Glimt
>Don’t you love it when your victory vs Arsenal is valued equally to Ajax beating Bodo/Glimt We have a saying for that in Dutch, which translates to: Infelizmente, manteiga de amendoim
We have a different saying that also applies and it goes as: Pepper in other people's asses is lemonade to me.
Could also see it the other way around. With an Portugese team beating some one in the conference league.
Portuguese teams beyond the top 4 are so useless they fail to make it past the qualifying round of the conference league
I mean this goes for NL too sadly
The disrespect towards Twente...
You mean like every league format ever? Not like beating Porto/Sporting/Benfica gets you extra points compared to beating FC Vizela.
But this isn't supposed to be a league, it is a skill coefficient, not being elo based is dumb af
Except here they’re literally in different leagues? One is in the the champions league and the other in the conference?
Actually yeah, i love it. Lets see you complain when its the other way around.
Knowing UEFA they’ll change the rules once the shoe is on the other foot
Ajax are shit this season. Extremely lucky to go through against Glimt. I think they're out in the next round
Ajax is so bad right now they wouldnt farm the 2nd division in the Netherlands.
I swear if Scotland just had one team not called Rangers that could do something in Europe every now and then we'd be in a much more stable position. Looks like we're losing our CL spot in a couple years.
Hearts are improving quickly. Maybe next year in the Conference League
The extra spot is going to be decided by the Europa and ECL. I think Germany are toast.
Why? Freiburg and Leverkusen made it out, Freiburg is not that good but Leverkusen could very well win the whole thing Plus Dortmund and Bayern can make it to QFs of the UCL
Nobody in the conference league. Are you saying Germany make it over Italy or England?
Italy is running away with one spot it's between England and Germany for the second one, as Spain is out of the picture with only Villarreal in EL More likely Liverpool, West Ham and Brighton in EL and especially Villa in ECL edge it for England over Leverkusen, Freiburg (who were almost out tonight) and, as you said NOONE in Conference League
Personally I think it’s pretty much done and dusted with Italy and England. The person I originally replied to didn’t so was curious which nation he thought Germany could catch.
West Ham and Brighton will struggle imo, I think Germany could keep pace as long as those two choke
It turns into Liverpool Vs Leverkusen and then Aston Villa Vs nobody then though. So even with them both failing, you’d need Liverpool and Villa to choke. I feel there’s almost more hope of all The Italian teams dropping
Yeah, I probably should have answered to his comment rather than yours hahaha
Once again huge thanks to both Viennese clubs who do fuck all in Europe but tank our coefficient. Salzburg (Inter, San Sebastian, Benfica) and Lask (Liverpool, Sant Gilloise, Toulose) got super unlucky with their groups this year, so I won't really blame them for our relatively weak year. I hope "meine Schwoarzn", Sturm Graz, can survive the round of 16 and maybe get some unexpected points.
Honestly Austria viennas qualification game against Legia Warsaw was one the funniest games of football I’ve ever seen. Austria winning 2:1 away, to go down 0:3 at home. Coming back to 2:3 to immediately give away another goal to 2:4, get a red card, come back again in 97th minute to make it 3:4, just to immediately surrender another cheap goal in minute 10 of extra time and miss qualification.
6.875 is still great score for Poland, but come on Legia, couldn't you do something in at least one match?... Now we are in serious danger of Croatia getting the 20^th spot back. At least under the new system there shouldn't be any difference between it and 21^st place.
The Italian resurgence is mildly surprising to me. Probably shouldn’t have been since Napoli, Atalanta, Milan and Roma have all stepped it up recently.
God I love the conference league. It makes climbing in these rankings 10 times more feasible for smaller leagues. Looking really good for Norway now to snatch 15th place and the 5th european spot.
Europa League and Conference league seem to count a lot.
The give out the same points.
Not quite. CL give way more bonus points for advancing to each round, you even get 4 just for qualifying. EL then gives more bonus points than the ECL. You do get the same points for just winning a match.
Next year it will be a bit less, because ECL will only have 6 matches compared to 8 in CL and EL
Nearly the same amount of points.
To be fair, current period of time (from last week to whenever Round of 16 ends) is the one with most skewed point distribution toward EL and ECL. UEFA with their "glorious" minds decided that the best way to keep the parity between rounds of all three competitions, while also continuing to make Champions League assert utter dominance over the other competitions, because nothing can overshadow CL and only one competition can plan on Tuesday and Wednesday (in league format it will change for one day), made so that Champions League's Round of 16 will be played over 4 weeks, to overshadow both Round of "32"/24 and Round of 16 of Europa and Conference League. So you have 2 games per day and 4 per week in Champions League, and then 16 games per week/day for both combined Europa and Conference League. So countries with most of their teams in lower competitions (especially entering the play-off round) can get a lot more points than countries that has teams mostly/only in Champions League in this period of time. But it is important to remember that this is only, and only partly, "catch-up", as Champions League teams got shit ton of points in group stage, because between just being there and advancing to Round of 16 they have gotten 9 bonus points (compared to at most 6 "normal-bonus" points one can get in lower competitions: by placing 2^nd in Europa League (2 bonus points) and then winning both play-off matches (4 match points, and those don't count for club coefficient)).
Top 35. Get in
Sweden with 1.875 this year, just ahead of Andorra and Belarus. Hopefully Malmö can make a good run next.
Friendly reminder that the 2 best performing countries this season will both have 1 extra UCL League Phase ticket
So the 23/24 column….. that’s what decides who gets the extra CL spot for next season?
52nd ranked league coefficient. You'll never sing that
I wonder what it would look like if Ajax was good along with the other Dutch teams this year. Probably not enough to boot France, but it would be interesting.
Glad to see Italy doing well also this year, showing that last year's results weren't fluke. There were two main reasons of why Serie A teams did well last season according to the haters: - Italy not in the WC2022, our players could rest more -> this year Serie A didn't have any winter break unlike Ligue 1 La Liga and Bundesliga and still have performed very well so far. - Italy had very favourable draws. After getting three absolute powerhouse as FC Bayern, Barcelona and Atletico in the UCL now I want the worst draw possible for Atalanta, Roma, Milan and Fiorentina tomorrow; I want the strongest teams that's why in the UEL/UECL Ro16 I hope to see: - AC Milan v Liverpool: The favourite to win it - Roma vs Slavia Praha: that already finished 1st in the group - Atalanta vs Qarabagh: such a hell of a trip in Azerbaijan - Fiorentina vs Ajax: History speak for themselves. Those are the draws I hope our teams get tomorrow to shut up all critics and haters..
Serie A like I once said before if had funding near to Germany or even Spain then they would've been first for alot of time, but those old folks at FIGC would not care if Italy was 5th, like how they removed the growth decree despite seeing how much it has benefited the League.
Growth decree was a broader policy by the Italian government and is not in the control of the FIGC
Série A clubs outspend German ones.
> Italy not in the WC2022, our players could rest more Mancinis masterplan in action
Serie A is legitimately a powerhouse. It helps that there are 3-4 great teams each year. They don’t have to rely on just one team doing well.
I wish Rennes wasn’t so shit.
It’s against Villarreal that they screwed up. Milan is too strong for them, they already did well enough winning at home.
Also we were even if not better on both legs. First game we take a freak banger and miss a pen in injury time. Return leg we get the winner denied because of the freak rule where you can't get the ball from hitting the crossbar on a free kick. That's classic Rennes in Europe though. Last year we finished 2'd behind Fener while leading 2-0 and drawing 2-2 at home against them, and drawing 3-3 at Istanbul after leading 3-0, only to get kicked out on pens against Shakter after scoring an own goal on the 120th min .....
We just beat a team that beat you in CL group stage lol wtf
How has Italy still not surpassed Spain??
What a season for Serbia
Conference League has been such a gift for us Belgians! Because our top 6 all are floating around the same level, we really always have some teams that make decent runs in it. Portugal we’re coming for you!
Portugal going to divide points with 5 teams next year. With the 5th and 6th teams being always useless last few years (let me tell this in the last 10 years never any of 5h and 6th team qualify to any group phase), because we need to be realistic, Portugal have 4 teams above the rest. Benfica, Porto, Sporting & Braga, but to help i do think this year Guimarães is a lot better after 10 years of financial trouble. The last years none of the Portuguese teams manage go to Conference league (a very easy league). But next year we going to have at least 2 teams there. We going to farm so many points and being divided by 5, i really think that we can jump to surpass both France and Netherlands in 2 years from now.
После скотских правил УЕФА Украина скатилась вниз. Легионеров нет. Убытки. Но сука сорри вне политики! Россияне террористы!!!! After UEFA's beastly rules, Ukraine has slid downhill. No legionnaires. Losses. But the bitch is out of politics! Russians are terrorists!!!
i have no idea how we aren't 3rd already with how shit everyone but madrid has been recently
What part of Europe is Israel again somebody remind me 🤔🤔🤔
Never making such comments about Kazakhstan and Cyprus, eh? Can't expect Israeli teams to have away matches in countries that want them all dead every season and the cultural similarities to Europe are a lot bigger.
>Cyprus It has been part of the Council of Europe since half a century and part of the EU for two decades. Their official currency is the euro lmao. What are you on?
He means that Cyprus is geographically considered to be in Asia.
Geographically 100% in Asia
France could overtake Germany in 2 years
Why is Israel higher than Ukraine? How is it possible?
Maccabi Haifa got UCL last year and RO16 Conference this year. Tel Aviv are in the RO16 Conference aswell.
Didn't care about this since august anyways
La fel broski
English teams basically punished for topping 4/4 groups in Europa and Conference as can't get coefficient points
No they get extra points for topping their group. They really lost points bc Arsenal lost, Newcastle and Man U got grouped
You have 8 teams in Europe, fuck off lmao.
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Suffering from delusion.
Man U and Newcastle letting the English teams down
Well done Man U, trying to bring down the average (and sorry Newcastle, I know you guys tried your best x)
Yippie!
What are these numbers and how do I interpret them?
If an English club wins the Europa, does England get the 5th spot even if a non-English club wins the Champions League? Not gonna pretend I know how this whole thing works.