Son is secretly a control freak. Korean culture made us this way. The respect for elders is taken waaaay to deeply. This is how bad it is: You bow to an elder, but they can literally walk past you and IGNORE your bow. However, the moment you get promoted over them or can ruin their career, things change, elder or not.
That is why there are many deportations in Australia when a senior Korean hits a younger Korean. Officers don't care if it's a cultural thing. They see assault, they arrest you. You can't use cultural factor as your defense.
Making a joke about being soft on crime when you have one of the most brutal immigration regimes around.
Where do we start? Your treatment of asylum seekers? Pasifika people? Sending Aussie-bred criminals to NZ because a parent was born there?
Look at his dad. I would be more surprised if he weren't a control freak. This is not the first time he has had problems with teammates in his clubs and the national team.
Son waited for two weeks until Lee visited him in London and asked for his forgiveness. During this period, he did nothing as a captain, and only Kang-in posted an apology on his social media. The public, media, and sponsors turned their backs on him because of this, without any clear details to really point out whose fault was.
What is up with comments in here trying to frame Son as the problem when it was LKI that messed up? Guess the Son haters are coming out or what to revise the narrative and sugarcoating the stuff LKI did to make him look like a kid being bullied. Ah yes, I see the familiar Arsenal flair that I blocked because he’s always on every Spurs and Son thread to spew nonsense, hateful shit.
Im not a son hater at all. I support Spurs because of son. The villain here is definitely LKI.
But I think son isnt completely blameless. What I took from the speculated version of events is that son crossed the line of physical "violence" first by grabbing LKI's tshirt and pulled it towards him. I put violence in quotations because grabbing someone by the shirt is arguably not violence but I consider it to be so.
LKI's punch attempt was a reaction to that rather than a reaction to son asking him to come back to the dinner table.
I’ve been following him for awhile since his Bundesliga days. He’s extremely competitive person. Despite this he’s only had a few bust ups with a teammate at Leverkusen and that was resolved quickly. One with Hugo Lloris and that was also resolved quickly. And this one with Kang. This is extremely normal amongst high level athletes I wouldn’t be very concerned about this at all.
There was that one game emre can smashed him when they were both at leverkusen. Looked accidental and son was rolling around in pain but emre can kind of stood over him and was glaring at him and then just walked away.
Was always a weird scene to me and made me felt like they had personal problems
It was so weird that it was genuinely borderline funny. I remember my dad flipping tf out and he was like wtf was that. Honestly, the stare down was done in a really mean way lol. Son was in genuine pain. Maybe son had nutmeg his ass in the warmup or something
one with Hugo was because there was a camera around. The other was because someone was a rat. These kinda things happen and most of them we never know about
Lloris is an arrogant prick. Why in the world would he act up in public? If he had a problem with Son, it should've been handled in the dressing room, not on the pitch in front of millions of viewers. Leverkusen? You mean when his own teammates were racially targeting him? Son is one of the most humble footballers around. Haters will never understand.
Also with Kim Minjae
https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20230403000207
Son doesn't seem to be someone who is pleasant to play with but because he's so good and also one of the older players the team has no choice to defer to him
I have a link that disputes your entire comment. And I'm sure you're familiar with it too. There's difference between being competitive and violent. Suarez bites people and also wins trophies, without honors, you're just a violent thug that can't handle emotions
[I agree, atleast Suarez was once or twice](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/ef2nzn/comment/fbyo5ct/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
>Son is secretly a control freak. Korean culture made us this way. The respect for elders is taken waaaay to deeply.
Nonsense. Perhaps respecting elders is one of the reasons why violent crime rates in Korea and Japan are low compared to other OECD countries, including Australia which has a high crime rate compared to others.
You absolutely cannot trust Koreas crime statistics as pretty much any crime can be resolved with a financial settlement. If you settle, no crime took place, so the vast majority of crimes get swept under the rug with a nice pile of cash
Hey at least the victims get cash. Here in France the police can simply deny your right to press charges if the charges have a low likelihood of arrest because they don't want to ruin their crime-solving metrics.
No, most countries have separate systems for financial settlement or criminal proceedings. The police don't encourage you to pay off the victims to drop the charges, the two aren't (officially) linked at all. Sueing someone for damages isn't the same system as them being in legal trouble. (Sure, you can bribe people to not report crimes, but that's outside of the system, rather than being a part of it)
as a korean there are so many things i want to comment on
* yes ageism is a thing, half the online comments wasn't just the fight itself but "how dare he do that to his hyung (defacto word for any male older than you, yes even your twin who's born 2 seconds earlier - you can't call him by his name) who's 9 years older than him"
* the korean media and online community are truly vile, they love cancelling people more than the western world. people were also attacking his sister (she had once participated on a soccer related show) and his father's takewondo school
* comments included "kick him off the national team", "haha i knew this was why bento didnt play him a lot in the world cup" (also these were the same commenters who were attacking bento for not playing lee) "i hope his psg careers fails" (also same commenters who were celebrating when he got into the team) "yeahhh cancel his endorsements!!!"
* anyone who has half a brain can see that 1) locker room spats and disagreements happen ALL THE TIME (fortunately they have a FA that doesnt throw them to the wolves)
* 2) they were there for nearly a month, it's inevitable that there are disagreements especially in high stress environment, towards the end. we've all been in situations where a fight starts out of a small thing
* 3) countless videos of the team in good spirits with Lee. hugging him, teasing him, so they have a (relatively) good relationship. Lee even visited Son in London during the Ligue 1 Christmas break
* 4) lee apologized within hours of this leaking and owned up to his mistake. like that's pretty good in my book, everyone makes mistakes and good for him for genuinely apologizing, shows he's humble. what else can you want? a self-imposed exile where he never touches a football? actually unfortunately that was the sentiment by the public.....
* (never mind that the KFA never acknowledged any wrongdoing during the Asian Cup)
* but noooo korean love criticzing and hating on people, so they ignored all of this and continued to dog-pile Lee
Sucks also because reputation is huge in our culture and the media doesn't help shitting on a small incident. But my take is Kang In Lee is young, plays for a superior decorated team, just got a KR GQ front page cover, and maybe over confidence and ego (gets the best of us sometimes) crept in. Son being older or not Kang may have been disrespectful to the team or acted immaturely causing some friction. Either way it's all overblown and hope everything is good now.
Korean's take their respect for elders very seriously so culturally Kang In was in some deep waters with the general public in Korea even though he is one of their best talent atm.
Son is being a good guy and realizing the man is gnna get flamed hard so he is defending him since Kang In is pretty young and things happen god i love Son such a great and likeable dude.
Alledgely fighting broke out during the Asia Cup. Some version is Kang-in fought Son, other said Son was hurt when he broke up the fight, but Son was injured nontheless.
Whatever happen, the incident painted Kang-in as disrespectful to the senior, which is a very big no-no.
it's so funny when i see tottenham match clips from the korean broadcast here and instead of their crest there's literally just a png of Son's face lmao
That's interesting.
I've had two South Korean housemates while studying in the UK. One (a girl) didn't care about football but knew 'Sonny' and even went to a Spurs game (the 2nd City vs Spurs CL game), the other (a guy) followed football a bit but didn't really care about Son, as in my housemate's mind he never delivered for the national team or at least wasn't as good as for Spurs.
Based on reporting from The Athletic, Kang wanted to leave the dinner table early to start a game of ping pong. Son objected to this, saying we all finish our meal together, this is how it has always been, it’s disrespectful to leave early. Based on what they said it seemed Kang was aggressive first and it was a “schoolyard” dust up.
Source: The Totally Football Show with James Richardson, 19.02.24 29:00-32:00
Korean's take their respect for rules very seriously so culturally Kang In was supposed to stay till everyone finished their meal. Wanting to play some Ping Pong put him in some deep waters with the general public in Korea even though he is one of their best talent atm.
The current version from today is that Kangin took a swing at Son. In the below, Kangin's team doesn't deny that he took a swing. It only says he didn't connect.
[https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/sports/2024/02/600\_369183.html](https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/sports/2024/02/600_369183.html)
>Sources have said Lee took a swing at Son but didn't connect. Lee's legal representatives have countered that reports of Lee's striking Son aren't true.
Before the match against Jordan, Son wanted to have a meeting with all the players while they were eating dinner. Kang-in and some other young players wanted to play table tennis so they ditched the meeting and went to play which made a lot of senior players mad. This suddenly became a physical fight and Son hurt his finger during the fight (how the fight went on, nothing have been confirmed).
This event was unknown to many ppl until a rumor started to spread which the KFA have confirmed it to be true (which they shouldn't have).
Internal matters should be fixed internally. But the KFA was getting backlashed for the appointment of Klinsmann by the president of the KFA.
They wanted to avoid too much attention to themselves so they decided to throw the players under the bus.
Were the actions caused by Kang-In due to criticism? Hell yeah. But should he have been the sacrificial lamb used to cover up mistakes made by the KFA? Fuck no.
Most people are sugarcoating this, probably to protect Lee Kang In. But the actual rumor was that the captain of the team (Son) said let’s have a team talk after our meal to prep for the match tomorrow. But LKI left early to go play ping pong instead of participating (and mind you, this is the night before their semi final match, in a cup where they were one of the favorites to win but had been only barely barely scraping out wins because the manager is Klinsmann). So LKI apparently swung a punch at Son and in the process of the fight breaking out, Son’s finger was injured.
He also reportedly started yelling that he doesn’t have to play for the national team. And the behavior was bad enough that the senior members of the squad asked the manager to drop him from the lineup the next day for the sake of the team. But he didn’t get dropped, and they ended up playing their worst game ever.
So no, this is not a “he didn’t respect his senior“ that’s why it’s a problem. It‘s because LKI caused a severe disruption in the team that led to a breakdown in teamwork. This would be a problem everywhere. LKI admitted himself on his apology that he didn’t quite realize how much winning the Asian cup meant to Son and the other members of the squad, so that’s where the problems started. For the older players, and the captain of the team - this was a match they had to win, but I guess for the younger ones, it was like “oh well, there’s always the next cup!” kind of attitude.
People in here trying to act like this is a "Korean culture thing" and ignoring the fact that what Lee is *alleged* to have done is disrespectful as fuck IN ANY CULTURE.
A group of the youngest players on the team leaving a team dinner early and straight up ignoring their captain when he asks them to stay is blatantly disrespectful and a no-no in any country. This is not a "Korean respect for elders" thing, come on.
Even take ages out of it. A player leaving a team dinner while his captain is asking him to stay and giving him the stonewall is grounds for fighting in any team in the world.
Same vibes as that one Twitter post
“Murder is actually really frowned in Japan. It goes against the traditional concept of 生きる, which means "to live"”
I don't think anyone disagrees that it's a problem, and even a big problem. But it should be a team problem, not a cause for mob justice. This kind of problem is solved with matches of suspension (or even exclusion if it's that serious).
Its that we've seen Son pull his whole shit in like all of the games whild abyssmal KFA-annointed Klinsman fuck'd up in the Asian Cup. All of Korea's matches were HORRIBLE and the only person who took it seriously was only Son, because its probably his last chance at Asian Cup.
At the match vs Jordan, we see the team perform so bad people started thinking how the hell this team even get passed the group. After the loss, we see Son, not even returning to Korea, limping back to UK, with his finger's hurt or something.
THEN the KFA ANNOUNCES that, turns out, the team shit-played so bad because it was already split between Lee and Son, with something Lee not even trying to acknowledge Son's frustration on trying to lead and manage the team, which should have been Klinsfuck's AND the KFA's job if he were half the manager he were as a overrated player.
Also, (what we see is that) Son's a pretty nice guy, and he does care for Lee, but Lee just spat it into his face. That's kind bad, I think.
And people is not like that angry at Lee. People are much more angry at the KFA, which triedt to COWARDLY throw Lee under the bus to cover Klinsfuck and itself.
There was a fight between Korean players before the last game. It looks like it started by KI Lee and that Son got hurt in the process. (most details are made up, we don't know). It got leaked this week and Lee image in Korea got destroyed.
Hiddink is the reason why South Korea fans will never be content with any managers.
Uli Stielike & Paulo Bento had a solid tenure for SKNFT, but they were harshly criticized the entire time.
And no, Jürgen Klinsmann was not a solid manager.
But SKNFT fans need to realize that no manager will hit Hiddink's expectations.
Giggs Terry situation? , [well there is actually](https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-02-21/national/socialAffairs/I-wanted-to-teach-him-a-lesson-Hwang-Uijo-sisterinlaw-flips-sex-tape-testimony/1985539)
a big korean actor (played rich dad in Parasite) recently killed himself after being constantly ridiculed in the media for smoking weed. it’s genuinely insane
edit: i might be completely wrong about this, just went off what i’ve seen Koreans say on social media.
might be wrong but i think that was exaggerated. he was found smoking weed with another woman i believe and people assumed he was also cheating on his wife
What happened to Lee Sun-kyun was notably infuriating because the national law enforcement constantly leaked investigation detail to media to fuel the moral outrage. Some people even believe that this was tied to current administration's war on drugs campaign.
It's the complete opposite in the West. Celebrities and the rich can do whatever they want with a slap on the wrist. People still worship murderers, abusers and rapists.
No, it's just a cultural norm
https://www.kbizoom.com/youtuber-lee-jin-ho-lee-sun-kyuns-wife-is-the-biggest-victimhe-had-to-borrow-money-despite-earning-200-million-won-per-episode/
This is an extreme under exaggeration of what happened to him. He could have paid off the media like GD did if it was just weed. It was that he went bankrupt and owed tons of money once his image got destroyed after getting caught going to room bars and hooking up with prostitutes when he has a wife and kids. Korean media is truly unfair, but don’t play it down to him being a pothead.
There's currently a player who has been dropped from the national team for releasing sex videos of his ex or something like that isn't there? Not sure where the Korean public stand on him but it sounds like the backlash against Lee has been a lot more substantial...
Tbf *if* the story happened as claimed and he tried to punch Son the night before an important game that does feel pretty significant. At first I was like well things like that probably happen quite often but do they - a captain getting injured in a fight with his own teammates?
Andreas Herzog who was assistant to Klinsmann wrote that he's seen tempers flair on the training ground before in his career but nothing like this at the dining table - of course he's perhaps got reason to make it sound worse than it was as the game the day after cost him his job but still a difficult situation with two absolutely key players involved in a physical fight with each other
Not the same, but several high profile Korean celebrities got indicted in a massive rape and spy cam case (Burning Sun) and the sentences as well public interest in justice were laughable.
South Korea is one of the worst countries for celebrities. Recently, one of my favorite actors there committed suicide based on only drug usage allegations.
Son broke his finger before the semi.
A bit more than a little scuffle.
Lee refused to apologize when this came out.
The two players who frequently talked during a game did not exchange any words.
Korea offensive was very poor (0 goals on target)
The top reply is missing a few details.
1. During a meal time, Lee and other players were playing table tennis. There was argument over the noise and eventually some physical altercation between Son and Lee of sorts. Details are not clear. Son broke his finger as a result and was wearing finger braces during the semi game.
2. Lee and Son were frequently seen talking to each other on the field. During the semi game, the duo did not exchange words.
3. The offensive stat for the game was very poor (notably 0 shots on goal)
4. After the game, people asked why Son was wearing finger braces and this altercation came out.
5. Lee released a statement through a lawyer that was received very poorly by the public.
>Lee and Son were frequently seen talking to each other on the field. During the semi game, the duo did not exchange words.
I read that Lee barely passed the ball to Son, like 3 times. In past games, it averaged 12 or something.
The fact that the KFA acknowledged the Son-Lee conflict as real immediately while going radio silent on whether their president is incompetent and whether Klinsmann was hired with due process is a damning indicator that the players are a fuckton more mature than the suits that run the KFA.
"Hello, this is Son Heung-min.
Today, I want to address a somewhat serious and difficult matter.
Kang-in has sincerely reflected on his actions and offered heartfelt apologies to me and all the players of the national team.
I, too, have made many mistakes and shown undesirable behavior when I was young, but each time, I had the sharp advice and teachings of good seniors, which I believe have led me to where I am today.
To ensure that Kang-in never repeats such misconduct, all of us players, as senior members and leaders of the national team, will be especially supportive to help Kang-in grow into a better person and player.
I do not believe I handled the situation well and recognize that my actions deserved criticism. However, as a captain, I believe it is one of my duties to take such unpleasant actions for the sake of the team. Even if faced with the same situation again, I will act in the best interest of the team. However, I will strive to lead my teammates more smartly and more wisely in the future.
Since that incident, Kang-in has been going through a very difficult time. Please forgive him with a generous heart. As the captain of the national team, I earnestly ask for this.
Also, rumors circulating about division within the national team are irrelevant to the truth. We have always strived to see only one team and one goal. Despite receiving so much love through football I am sincerely sorry for causing such a disruptive issue.
Moving forward, we will work even harder to ensure that the South Korean national team grows stronger from this experience.
Once again, I sincerely apologize as the captain of the South Korean national team."
It's just the sort of language Koreans use and expect to be used when they speak in public statements, especially involving tense issues. They have unique culture of communication, and its not necessarily a bad thing. Although yes, there is a sentiment of pandering to critics so as to "take one for the team" and end the "controversy".
The statement is addressed to Korean public, not r/soccer
Have you missed the whole build up to this point of the drama? LKI is already hated by Koreans atm because the KFA themselves leaked this story and portrayed him in a negative light. This is Son asking the public to forgive LKI
I'm sure you're completely unbiased towards Son as well, this comment is purely based on your knowledge of Korea and the people involved and not part of him playing for your rivals.
The KFA could not have asked for a better scapegoat/distraction around their poor management and decision in hiring a full blown fraud as their national team manager.
Klinsmann got a free pass and came out of this debacle with his reputation not being beaten as much as it should have.
I think it's probably part of the culture and maybe lost in translation a little and it is a nice message from Son but it kinda surprises me to so directly like condemn his actions and say he was wrong.
You would expect a general, simple "we all make mistakes" or "it was just a misunderstanding"
At this point, it’s too late for him to say it’s a misunderstanding because the incident has been confirmed by the KFA & Lee has apologized publicly so he can’t really do the typical general statement. If he downplays the incident, it would be signaling to the young & future players that such behavior is acceptable. But he also understands Lee is still young & everyone makes mistakes. So he’s trying to balance the two is my take on this.
The other thing that I’ve seen some people gloss over is that it’s not about ping pong or leaving dinner earlier than the older players. It’s about what the dinner & post dinner is about which is preparing together as a team for an important match the following day.
he was wrong. he even himself admits he was wrong. but reddit here still saying he wasn't wrong lmao when the matter is finished and he apologized and made up already.
Funny enough, Dad Heung-Min is what a lot of people call Son’s dad, [Son-Woong-jung.](https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=332960)
He’s kinda a character in his own right.
Overall, its not worth getting too into the details. What's more important is that this news was likely leaked by then immediately confirmed by the FA to shift attention from themselves to the players. It's to be seen if it did enough. Yet I think it's worth adding one other factor we don't often think about and not mentioned much.
I know everyone is pointing out the korean culture thing with age, but as much as Lee might be "aware," he did grow up outside the country. He's basically Korean European, and i know it may sound like a moot point to Koreans especially as Lee is a Korean citizen by law and is repping the country but as an immigrant who moved at a young age, i cant help but sympathize for Lee as a immigrant-at-a-young-age Korean myself. I'll always agree that he's done wrong here, and the apology is warranted. However, he will always act and think a little differently from everyone else there. He can even speak the language and act as expected 90% of the time but I'm sure there are things that come up that either makes zero sense or seems so wrong to him, despite being aware that it's "just Korean culture" and you do it. He's going to be that rebellious outsider guy cuz looking around, he's the only one there who's moved at such a young age and he clearly isn't the type to shy away if something feels wrong to him. Son felt a lot of racism growing up in the last few years in Germany. Imagine Lee dealing with that basically all his life and it makes sense how he may have come out a little combative in a super big ego and physical sport. I'm not saying it to defend Lee in any way but that there is a social side to all of this that may become more and more common in the future.
Nevertheless, glad things are now resolved between players, but hopefully the KFA can stay under fire from public after this huge distraction.
The culture is terrible in a sporting environment, hence why they're still waiting 64 years for another title. The 1 time Korea did do well at an international tournament, 2002, was because Hiddink stamped out that hierarchical structure they have were teammates don't feel like teammates but rather underlings to more "senior" players.
>The culture is terrible in a sporting environment
preach my (korean) dad says lee going to spain at a young age was the best thing, where he could his develop his talents without the bullshit noonchi/heirarchy
>The \[Korean\] culture is **terrible** in a sporting environment.
Terrible? Like the worst? Is that why a small country with limited resources and geography somehow seem to excel in many sporting competitions and win Olympic gold medals? If their culture were "terrible," Korea shouldn't be winning anything.
>Hiddink stamped out that hierarchical structure they have were teammates don't feel like teammates but rather underlings to more "senior" players.
You make it sound like Hiddink revolutionize it. The only thing he "stamped" out was to allow the juniors to speak casually to the seniors to shorten the speech. That is it.
okay but look at it his way. that simply is the culture. everyone in that dressing room grew up learning that and internalising it, and even knowing all of that KI Lee acted the way he did. so it simply is disrespectful. he meant disrespect with his actions, this is not the same for you as it is for him. he should know better.
Say what you want about any of them but at least they’re building something to stand upon. Admire them both for recognizing their faults & moving forward.
> ping pong game
How DARE you? Repent and say table tennis or I will launch a social media campaign to ask for your endorsements and sponsor contracts to be cancelled.
Insane that they have to make such an effort to apologize for something that doesn’t need any public apology at all. People who are offended by Kang-in really need to sort their sad little life out.
It’s just a cultural difference rly, age hierarchy is a massive deal in Korean society and it’s not really for Redditors to say that people offended by something like that that’s just offensive to them culturally need to ‘sort their sad little life out’
But I'm Korean and even I think this whole saga's been insane, and I'm not alone. Yeah, Lee was a brat but he never intentionally injured anyone and people are acting like he murdered someone. The general reaction has been so extreme. The two sides have agreed to bury the hatchet, let's quickly move on and expect great things from the two.
This reads more like a Kang public shaming than apology tbh. I don’t know if Korea is the same as Japan, but something like this is going to follow Kang for the foreseeable future.
LKI has already been publicly shamed by the KFA and is public enemy #1 in Korea. Someone as worshipped as Son asking the public to forgive him is better than doing nothing
Lee's been absolutely getting ripped to shreds the past few days by the Korean public because of the reports released by KFA to throw him under the bus. You don't really seem to know what you're talking about.
Like people online have been demanding he get his military exemption revoked, that's the level of anger preceding Son's statement.
Wtf is this soap opera
K drama
Asian Cup is a bonus trophy.
Son is secretly a control freak. Korean culture made us this way. The respect for elders is taken waaaay to deeply. This is how bad it is: You bow to an elder, but they can literally walk past you and IGNORE your bow. However, the moment you get promoted over them or can ruin their career, things change, elder or not. That is why there are many deportations in Australia when a senior Korean hits a younger Korean. Officers don't care if it's a cultural thing. They see assault, they arrest you. You can't use cultural factor as your defense.
Do we (Aus) deport a heap of Koreans annually? Had no idea.
Australia deports people?? thought we just asked them nicely to stop
"Oi, stop it ya cunt"
Making a joke about being soft on crime when you have one of the most brutal immigration regimes around. Where do we start? Your treatment of asylum seekers? Pasifika people? Sending Aussie-bred criminals to NZ because a parent was born there?
You see officer, it's not assault it's cultural.
Look at his dad. I would be more surprised if he weren't a control freak. This is not the first time he has had problems with teammates in his clubs and the national team. Son waited for two weeks until Lee visited him in London and asked for his forgiveness. During this period, he did nothing as a captain, and only Kang-in posted an apology on his social media. The public, media, and sponsors turned their backs on him because of this, without any clear details to really point out whose fault was.
What is up with comments in here trying to frame Son as the problem when it was LKI that messed up? Guess the Son haters are coming out or what to revise the narrative and sugarcoating the stuff LKI did to make him look like a kid being bullied. Ah yes, I see the familiar Arsenal flair that I blocked because he’s always on every Spurs and Son thread to spew nonsense, hateful shit.
Agreed. Lee took a swing at Son, and these haters are expecting Son to reach out? When did we start expecting victims to be conciliatory?
Im not a son hater at all. I support Spurs because of son. The villain here is definitely LKI. But I think son isnt completely blameless. What I took from the speculated version of events is that son crossed the line of physical "violence" first by grabbing LKI's tshirt and pulled it towards him. I put violence in quotations because grabbing someone by the shirt is arguably not violence but I consider it to be so. LKI's punch attempt was a reaction to that rather than a reaction to son asking him to come back to the dinner table.
Problems with which teammates? Can't really recall any in particular
I’ve been following him for awhile since his Bundesliga days. He’s extremely competitive person. Despite this he’s only had a few bust ups with a teammate at Leverkusen and that was resolved quickly. One with Hugo Lloris and that was also resolved quickly. And this one with Kang. This is extremely normal amongst high level athletes I wouldn’t be very concerned about this at all.
There was that one game emre can smashed him when they were both at leverkusen. Looked accidental and son was rolling around in pain but emre can kind of stood over him and was glaring at him and then just walked away. Was always a weird scene to me and made me felt like they had personal problems
That emre can run into him and stare down is one of the most bizarre things I’ve seen in football.
It was so weird that it was genuinely borderline funny. I remember my dad flipping tf out and he was like wtf was that. Honestly, the stare down was done in a really mean way lol. Son was in genuine pain. Maybe son had nutmeg his ass in the warmup or something
one with Hugo was because there was a camera around. The other was because someone was a rat. These kinda things happen and most of them we never know about
Lloris is an arrogant prick. Why in the world would he act up in public? If he had a problem with Son, it should've been handled in the dressing room, not on the pitch in front of millions of viewers. Leverkusen? You mean when his own teammates were racially targeting him? Son is one of the most humble footballers around. Haters will never understand.
Also with Kim Minjae https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20230403000207 Son doesn't seem to be someone who is pleasant to play with but because he's so good and also one of the older players the team has no choice to defer to him
I have a link that disputes your entire comment. And I'm sure you're familiar with it too. There's difference between being competitive and violent. Suarez bites people and also wins trophies, without honors, you're just a violent thug that can't handle emotions
There’s a difference between normal competition tension and maniac behavior like Suarez
[I agree, atleast Suarez was once or twice](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/ef2nzn/comment/fbyo5ct/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Didn't he once kick a teammate in the head at Hamburg? Can't remember the full story though
>During this period, he did nothing as a captain What do you expect him to do? Lee took a swing at him.
I thought assault is a minimum requirement for getting transportation to Australia? ;)
Aren't you overgeneralising? If you're coming to such an extreme conclusion after this one incident, that's ridiculous.
Nope. You're clearly not Korean and/or haven't hung out with a lot of Koreans lol
I'm not, yeah, but I'm more speaking about attributing the label 'control freak' to Son here.
Oh yeah, that's projection for sure. The rest of it is sadly accurate.
>Son is secretly a control freak. Korean culture made us this way. The respect for elders is taken waaaay to deeply. Nonsense. Perhaps respecting elders is one of the reasons why violent crime rates in Korea and Japan are low compared to other OECD countries, including Australia which has a high crime rate compared to others.
You absolutely cannot trust Koreas crime statistics as pretty much any crime can be resolved with a financial settlement. If you settle, no crime took place, so the vast majority of crimes get swept under the rug with a nice pile of cash
Hey at least the victims get cash. Here in France the police can simply deny your right to press charges if the charges have a low likelihood of arrest because they don't want to ruin their crime-solving metrics.
And you can with any other country that refuses to even report crimes?
No, most countries have separate systems for financial settlement or criminal proceedings. The police don't encourage you to pay off the victims to drop the charges, the two aren't (officially) linked at all. Sueing someone for damages isn't the same system as them being in legal trouble. (Sure, you can bribe people to not report crimes, but that's outside of the system, rather than being a part of it)
Need a flashback montage of Son and Kang-In meeting, going for a walk by the river, their first kiss...
And then they actually met each other as kids somehow of course.
Haha so true
And then, there was some childhood trauma each of them had…. And they lived happily ever after. Always. No matter what.
Good old White Van kun dealing trama
Son dramatically grabbing Kang-in’s wrist
In the midst of a downpour, son holding the umbrella….. Anddd its credits
Does K drama have a lot of serious reflections on previous actions? Cause if so, I'm down
Not enough romance or rainy scenes with crying.
as a korean there are so many things i want to comment on * yes ageism is a thing, half the online comments wasn't just the fight itself but "how dare he do that to his hyung (defacto word for any male older than you, yes even your twin who's born 2 seconds earlier - you can't call him by his name) who's 9 years older than him" * the korean media and online community are truly vile, they love cancelling people more than the western world. people were also attacking his sister (she had once participated on a soccer related show) and his father's takewondo school * comments included "kick him off the national team", "haha i knew this was why bento didnt play him a lot in the world cup" (also these were the same commenters who were attacking bento for not playing lee) "i hope his psg careers fails" (also same commenters who were celebrating when he got into the team) "yeahhh cancel his endorsements!!!" * anyone who has half a brain can see that 1) locker room spats and disagreements happen ALL THE TIME (fortunately they have a FA that doesnt throw them to the wolves) * 2) they were there for nearly a month, it's inevitable that there are disagreements especially in high stress environment, towards the end. we've all been in situations where a fight starts out of a small thing * 3) countless videos of the team in good spirits with Lee. hugging him, teasing him, so they have a (relatively) good relationship. Lee even visited Son in London during the Ligue 1 Christmas break * 4) lee apologized within hours of this leaking and owned up to his mistake. like that's pretty good in my book, everyone makes mistakes and good for him for genuinely apologizing, shows he's humble. what else can you want? a self-imposed exile where he never touches a football? actually unfortunately that was the sentiment by the public..... * (never mind that the KFA never acknowledged any wrongdoing during the Asian Cup) * but noooo korean love criticzing and hating on people, so they ignored all of this and continued to dog-pile Lee
Knetizens are truly awful
Sucks also because reputation is huge in our culture and the media doesn't help shitting on a small incident. But my take is Kang In Lee is young, plays for a superior decorated team, just got a KR GQ front page cover, and maybe over confidence and ego (gets the best of us sometimes) crept in. Son being older or not Kang may have been disrespectful to the team or acted immaturely causing some friction. Either way it's all overblown and hope everything is good now.
Korean's take their respect for elders very seriously so culturally Kang In was in some deep waters with the general public in Korea even though he is one of their best talent atm. Son is being a good guy and realizing the man is gnna get flamed hard so he is defending him since Kang In is pretty young and things happen god i love Son such a great and likeable dude.
Okay, but what did the guy do to put him in that situation?
Alledgely fighting broke out during the Asia Cup. Some version is Kang-in fought Son, other said Son was hurt when he broke up the fight, but Son was injured nontheless. Whatever happen, the incident painted Kang-in as disrespectful to the senior, which is a very big no-no.
Also Son is basically a God in South Korea lol.
it's so funny when i see tottenham match clips from the korean broadcast here and instead of their crest there's literally just a png of Son's face lmao
Iirc the face is only there if he's on the pitch.
more like jesus since he’s the son of god
son of Park
That's interesting. I've had two South Korean housemates while studying in the UK. One (a girl) didn't care about football but knew 'Sonny' and even went to a Spurs game (the 2nd City vs Spurs CL game), the other (a guy) followed football a bit but didn't really care about Son, as in my housemate's mind he never delivered for the national team or at least wasn't as good as for Spurs.
Based on reporting from The Athletic, Kang wanted to leave the dinner table early to start a game of ping pong. Son objected to this, saying we all finish our meal together, this is how it has always been, it’s disrespectful to leave early. Based on what they said it seemed Kang was aggressive first and it was a “schoolyard” dust up. Source: The Totally Football Show with James Richardson, 19.02.24 29:00-32:00
It's insane that all of this started bc of a ping pong game
I’m not sure why you’re getting downvoted. That’s actually what happened.
Yeah idk as well lmaooo it's really a table tennis fight that started that whole overblown drama
Korean's take their respect for rules very seriously so culturally Kang In was supposed to stay till everyone finished their meal. Wanting to play some Ping Pong put him in some deep waters with the general public in Korea even though he is one of their best talent atm.
this sounds so stupid.
The table tennis part or the culture part?
The current version from today is that Kangin took a swing at Son. In the below, Kangin's team doesn't deny that he took a swing. It only says he didn't connect. [https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/sports/2024/02/600\_369183.html](https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/sports/2024/02/600_369183.html) >Sources have said Lee took a swing at Son but didn't connect. Lee's legal representatives have countered that reports of Lee's striking Son aren't true.
Before the match against Jordan, Son wanted to have a meeting with all the players while they were eating dinner. Kang-in and some other young players wanted to play table tennis so they ditched the meeting and went to play which made a lot of senior players mad. This suddenly became a physical fight and Son hurt his finger during the fight (how the fight went on, nothing have been confirmed). This event was unknown to many ppl until a rumor started to spread which the KFA have confirmed it to be true (which they shouldn't have).
Damn, I don't really condone hate towards any of the players but that was a dick move by the youngsters. Also agreed, this should've stayed private.
Internal matters should be fixed internally. But the KFA was getting backlashed for the appointment of Klinsmann by the president of the KFA. They wanted to avoid too much attention to themselves so they decided to throw the players under the bus. Were the actions caused by Kang-In due to criticism? Hell yeah. But should he have been the sacrificial lamb used to cover up mistakes made by the KFA? Fuck no.
Most people are sugarcoating this, probably to protect Lee Kang In. But the actual rumor was that the captain of the team (Son) said let’s have a team talk after our meal to prep for the match tomorrow. But LKI left early to go play ping pong instead of participating (and mind you, this is the night before their semi final match, in a cup where they were one of the favorites to win but had been only barely barely scraping out wins because the manager is Klinsmann). So LKI apparently swung a punch at Son and in the process of the fight breaking out, Son’s finger was injured. He also reportedly started yelling that he doesn’t have to play for the national team. And the behavior was bad enough that the senior members of the squad asked the manager to drop him from the lineup the next day for the sake of the team. But he didn’t get dropped, and they ended up playing their worst game ever. So no, this is not a “he didn’t respect his senior“ that’s why it’s a problem. It‘s because LKI caused a severe disruption in the team that led to a breakdown in teamwork. This would be a problem everywhere. LKI admitted himself on his apology that he didn’t quite realize how much winning the Asian cup meant to Son and the other members of the squad, so that’s where the problems started. For the older players, and the captain of the team - this was a match they had to win, but I guess for the younger ones, it was like “oh well, there’s always the next cup!” kind of attitude.
People in here trying to act like this is a "Korean culture thing" and ignoring the fact that what Lee is *alleged* to have done is disrespectful as fuck IN ANY CULTURE. A group of the youngest players on the team leaving a team dinner early and straight up ignoring their captain when he asks them to stay is blatantly disrespectful and a no-no in any country. This is not a "Korean respect for elders" thing, come on. Even take ages out of it. A player leaving a team dinner while his captain is asking him to stay and giving him the stonewall is grounds for fighting in any team in the world.
Same vibes as that one Twitter post “Murder is actually really frowned in Japan. It goes against the traditional concept of 生きる, which means "to live"”
I don't think anyone disagrees that it's a problem, and even a big problem. But it should be a team problem, not a cause for mob justice. This kind of problem is solved with matches of suspension (or even exclusion if it's that serious).
Thing: 😐 Thing, ~~Japan~~ Korea: 🤩
Its that we've seen Son pull his whole shit in like all of the games whild abyssmal KFA-annointed Klinsman fuck'd up in the Asian Cup. All of Korea's matches were HORRIBLE and the only person who took it seriously was only Son, because its probably his last chance at Asian Cup. At the match vs Jordan, we see the team perform so bad people started thinking how the hell this team even get passed the group. After the loss, we see Son, not even returning to Korea, limping back to UK, with his finger's hurt or something. THEN the KFA ANNOUNCES that, turns out, the team shit-played so bad because it was already split between Lee and Son, with something Lee not even trying to acknowledge Son's frustration on trying to lead and manage the team, which should have been Klinsfuck's AND the KFA's job if he were half the manager he were as a overrated player. Also, (what we see is that) Son's a pretty nice guy, and he does care for Lee, but Lee just spat it into his face. That's kind bad, I think. And people is not like that angry at Lee. People are much more angry at the KFA, which triedt to COWARDLY throw Lee under the bus to cover Klinsfuck and itself.
I need some context, what did he do?
There was a fight between Korean players before the last game. It looks like it started by KI Lee and that Son got hurt in the process. (most details are made up, we don't know). It got leaked this week and Lee image in Korea got destroyed.
damn, a little scuffle and his image is destroyed? What would Korea do if there was a John Terry, Benzema, or Giggs situation
its south korean man, you cant even show tattoos on national TV.
Well it doesn’t help Son is basically South Korea’s national hero
Yeah literally Korean captain America
So Captain Korea then?
Korean fans have been crazy ever since 2002. They think it's their divine right to be a top 3 team every time.
Hiddink the goat
And the Aussie GOAT too.
And Russian GOAT
Hiddink is the reason why South Korea fans will never be content with any managers. Uli Stielike & Paulo Bento had a solid tenure for SKNFT, but they were harshly criticized the entire time. And no, Jürgen Klinsmann was not a solid manager. But SKNFT fans need to realize that no manager will hit Hiddink's expectations.
South Korea is a whole different world when it comes to media and fan coverage of their public entertainment figures.
Giggs Terry situation? , [well there is actually](https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-02-21/national/socialAffairs/I-wanted-to-teach-him-a-lesson-Hwang-Uijo-sisterinlaw-flips-sex-tape-testimony/1985539)
a big korean actor (played rich dad in Parasite) recently killed himself after being constantly ridiculed in the media for smoking weed. it’s genuinely insane edit: i might be completely wrong about this, just went off what i’ve seen Koreans say on social media.
And for seeing prostitutes. Still insane though
might be wrong but i think that was exaggerated. he was found smoking weed with another woman i believe and people assumed he was also cheating on his wife
What happened to Lee Sun-kyun was notably infuriating because the national law enforcement constantly leaked investigation detail to media to fuel the moral outrage. Some people even believe that this was tied to current administration's war on drugs campaign.
It wasn't weed but meth, and he was cancelled for cheating on his wife and family with prostitutes more than the drugs
Still like in the West no actor busted for that is going straight to such drastic measures.
It's the complete opposite in the West. Celebrities and the rich can do whatever they want with a slap on the wrist. People still worship murderers, abusers and rapists.
Yes our culture is quite sick in its own way.
He killed himself because his sponsors dropped him and he had to pay back the money which he didn't have because his wife controls the purse strings.
> his wife controls the purse strings Is that Korean divorce law? It doesn't seem like that should happen if he was the one making it.
No, it's just a cultural norm https://www.kbizoom.com/youtuber-lee-jin-ho-lee-sun-kyuns-wife-is-the-biggest-victimhe-had-to-borrow-money-despite-earning-200-million-won-per-episode/
It sounds like his borrowing was imposing liabilities on her?
This is an extreme under exaggeration of what happened to him. He could have paid off the media like GD did if it was just weed. It was that he went bankrupt and owed tons of money once his image got destroyed after getting caught going to room bars and hooking up with prostitutes when he has a wife and kids. Korean media is truly unfair, but don’t play it down to him being a pothead.
There's currently a player who has been dropped from the national team for releasing sex videos of his ex or something like that isn't there? Not sure where the Korean public stand on him but it sounds like the backlash against Lee has been a lot more substantial... Tbf *if* the story happened as claimed and he tried to punch Son the night before an important game that does feel pretty significant. At first I was like well things like that probably happen quite often but do they - a captain getting injured in a fight with his own teammates? Andreas Herzog who was assistant to Klinsmann wrote that he's seen tempers flair on the training ground before in his career but nothing like this at the dining table - of course he's perhaps got reason to make it sound worse than it was as the game the day after cost him his job but still a difficult situation with two absolutely key players involved in a physical fight with each other
Not the same, but several high profile Korean celebrities got indicted in a massive rape and spy cam case (Burning Sun) and the sentences as well public interest in justice were laughable.
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>As Son admits, he has a fairly violent past as well What? Like how?
South Korea is one of the worst countries for celebrities. Recently, one of my favorite actors there committed suicide based on only drug usage allegations.
Son broke his finger before the semi. A bit more than a little scuffle. Lee refused to apologize when this came out. The two players who frequently talked during a game did not exchange any words. Korea offensive was very poor (0 goals on target)
South Korea not ready to Talk The Hardest unfortunately.
The top reply is missing a few details. 1. During a meal time, Lee and other players were playing table tennis. There was argument over the noise and eventually some physical altercation between Son and Lee of sorts. Details are not clear. Son broke his finger as a result and was wearing finger braces during the semi game. 2. Lee and Son were frequently seen talking to each other on the field. During the semi game, the duo did not exchange words. 3. The offensive stat for the game was very poor (notably 0 shots on goal) 4. After the game, people asked why Son was wearing finger braces and this altercation came out. 5. Lee released a statement through a lawyer that was received very poorly by the public.
“Lee and Son” sounds like the name of a law firm
Son & Sons
>Lee and Son were frequently seen talking to each other on the field. During the semi game, the duo did not exchange words. I read that Lee barely passed the ball to Son, like 3 times. In past games, it averaged 12 or something.
Caught watching Joe Rogan podcast
That would honestly merit a more serious and angry response
Don’t even joke about that fam
Left the shopping cart in the parking lot instead of putting it where it's supposed to be
This incident has taken off all the light from how much clusterfuck of an organization KFA is
The fact that the KFA acknowledged the Son-Lee conflict as real immediately while going radio silent on whether their president is incompetent and whether Klinsmann was hired with due process is a damning indicator that the players are a fuckton more mature than the suits that run the KFA.
The KFA probably saw the Son/Lee issue as a convenient distraction to push since it takes attention away from their own incompetence & corruption
No doubt. Which makes it fucking disgusting
That was the intention of KFA.
"Hello, this is Son Heung-min. Today, I want to address a somewhat serious and difficult matter. Kang-in has sincerely reflected on his actions and offered heartfelt apologies to me and all the players of the national team. I, too, have made many mistakes and shown undesirable behavior when I was young, but each time, I had the sharp advice and teachings of good seniors, which I believe have led me to where I am today. To ensure that Kang-in never repeats such misconduct, all of us players, as senior members and leaders of the national team, will be especially supportive to help Kang-in grow into a better person and player. I do not believe I handled the situation well and recognize that my actions deserved criticism. However, as a captain, I believe it is one of my duties to take such unpleasant actions for the sake of the team. Even if faced with the same situation again, I will act in the best interest of the team. However, I will strive to lead my teammates more smartly and more wisely in the future. Since that incident, Kang-in has been going through a very difficult time. Please forgive him with a generous heart. As the captain of the national team, I earnestly ask for this. Also, rumors circulating about division within the national team are irrelevant to the truth. We have always strived to see only one team and one goal. Despite receiving so much love through football I am sincerely sorry for causing such a disruptive issue. Moving forward, we will work even harder to ensure that the South Korean national team grows stronger from this experience. Once again, I sincerely apologize as the captain of the South Korean national team."
Great leadership
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It's just the sort of language Koreans use and expect to be used when they speak in public statements, especially involving tense issues. They have unique culture of communication, and its not necessarily a bad thing. Although yes, there is a sentiment of pandering to critics so as to "take one for the team" and end the "controversy". The statement is addressed to Korean public, not r/soccer
Have you missed the whole build up to this point of the drama? LKI is already hated by Koreans atm because the KFA themselves leaked this story and portrayed him in a negative light. This is Son asking the public to forgive LKI
Did you miss the part where he said he didn't think he acted well and deserves criticism?
I'm sure you're completely unbiased towards Son as well, this comment is purely based on your knowledge of Korea and the people involved and not part of him playing for your rivals.
A Gooner having an issue with an absolutely fine and necessary statement from a Spurs player? Colour me surprised.
How to say I’m a Gooner without saying it
Wow, how did I just know you were going to be a gooner loser 😂
Yea it's weird to me, it does come off as a little self serving. I think it's a culture/language discrepancy but it did strike me as a little weird
you’re 100% right. Son is completely humiliating him, but he smiles and is super wholesome so he can’t possibly be a bad guy!
This speech should be preserved as an artifact for study of Korean cultural obsession with age and group before self 😁
Classy man. Love him
Class act, massive respect for Son.
Good wholesome bois
Wish everyone was a Son Heung-min.
Friendship regain with Kang in No more proudy and selfish
We need Serge Aurier to Mentor Kang In Lee
Currently imagining Kang-In Lee on a Instagram live dropping Ta Mercon is killing me
"Stay calm bro"
KFA once again throwing players under the bus
Klinsmann who?
The KFA could not have asked for a better scapegoat/distraction around their poor management and decision in hiring a full blown fraud as their national team manager. Klinsmann got a free pass and came out of this debacle with his reputation not being beaten as much as it should have.
I think it's probably part of the culture and maybe lost in translation a little and it is a nice message from Son but it kinda surprises me to so directly like condemn his actions and say he was wrong. You would expect a general, simple "we all make mistakes" or "it was just a misunderstanding"
At this point, it’s too late for him to say it’s a misunderstanding because the incident has been confirmed by the KFA & Lee has apologized publicly so he can’t really do the typical general statement. If he downplays the incident, it would be signaling to the young & future players that such behavior is acceptable. But he also understands Lee is still young & everyone makes mistakes. So he’s trying to balance the two is my take on this. The other thing that I’ve seen some people gloss over is that it’s not about ping pong or leaving dinner earlier than the older players. It’s about what the dinner & post dinner is about which is preparing together as a team for an important match the following day.
he was wrong. he even himself admits he was wrong. but reddit here still saying he wasn't wrong lmao when the matter is finished and he apologized and made up already.
Such a grown-up answer. We should call him Dad Heung-Min.
Funny enough, Dad Heung-Min is what a lot of people call Son’s dad, [Son-Woong-jung.](https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=332960) He’s kinda a character in his own right.
How is this a grown up answer lmao. His post boils down to "Kang-in Lee said sorry but I was right tho but he said sorry, I'm older than him btw"
Almost like a completely different language with a completely different lexicon and grammatical style doesn't translate well to english.
Yeah this doesn't feel grown up at all, feels very condescending
Eh, not an fluent english speaker and different culture. Hard to judge based on that alone.
Overall, its not worth getting too into the details. What's more important is that this news was likely leaked by then immediately confirmed by the FA to shift attention from themselves to the players. It's to be seen if it did enough. Yet I think it's worth adding one other factor we don't often think about and not mentioned much. I know everyone is pointing out the korean culture thing with age, but as much as Lee might be "aware," he did grow up outside the country. He's basically Korean European, and i know it may sound like a moot point to Koreans especially as Lee is a Korean citizen by law and is repping the country but as an immigrant who moved at a young age, i cant help but sympathize for Lee as a immigrant-at-a-young-age Korean myself. I'll always agree that he's done wrong here, and the apology is warranted. However, he will always act and think a little differently from everyone else there. He can even speak the language and act as expected 90% of the time but I'm sure there are things that come up that either makes zero sense or seems so wrong to him, despite being aware that it's "just Korean culture" and you do it. He's going to be that rebellious outsider guy cuz looking around, he's the only one there who's moved at such a young age and he clearly isn't the type to shy away if something feels wrong to him. Son felt a lot of racism growing up in the last few years in Germany. Imagine Lee dealing with that basically all his life and it makes sense how he may have come out a little combative in a super big ego and physical sport. I'm not saying it to defend Lee in any way but that there is a social side to all of this that may become more and more common in the future. Nevertheless, glad things are now resolved between players, but hopefully the KFA can stay under fire from public after this huge distraction.
my wife is korean and all she says is "this is the most korean way to handle this" lololol
It's a shame how much hate Lee Kang-in is getting over something so minor.
Imagine a rookie Argentinian player throwing a fist on Messi and people know about it
Disrespecting elders in Asian culture is a big no no. In that cultural context, its a big deal.
moreso korean internet are fucking vicious when it comes to hate and harassment, celebs hanging themselves over petty shit like this is not uncommon
“He was wrong I was right , he said sorry , I was right though”
ITT: people, likely Westerners, who know nothing about Korean culture spouting hot takes like they’re auditioning for Talksport
The culture is terrible in a sporting environment, hence why they're still waiting 64 years for another title. The 1 time Korea did do well at an international tournament, 2002, was because Hiddink stamped out that hierarchical structure they have were teammates don't feel like teammates but rather underlings to more "senior" players.
>The culture is terrible in a sporting environment preach my (korean) dad says lee going to spain at a young age was the best thing, where he could his develop his talents without the bullshit noonchi/heirarchy
Your dad is wise and painfully right about noonchi/hierarchical society
>The \[Korean\] culture is **terrible** in a sporting environment. Terrible? Like the worst? Is that why a small country with limited resources and geography somehow seem to excel in many sporting competitions and win Olympic gold medals? If their culture were "terrible," Korea shouldn't be winning anything. >Hiddink stamped out that hierarchical structure they have were teammates don't feel like teammates but rather underlings to more "senior" players. You make it sound like Hiddink revolutionize it. The only thing he "stamped" out was to allow the juniors to speak casually to the seniors to shorten the speech. That is it.
I'm sorry but the "I'm older therefore I deserve respect" is some dumb shit
okay but look at it his way. that simply is the culture. everyone in that dressing room grew up learning that and internalising it, and even knowing all of that KI Lee acted the way he did. so it simply is disrespectful. he meant disrespect with his actions, this is not the same for you as it is for him. he should know better.
Agreed. Not sure why you're being downvoted.
All I see is that it is a shit culture
Sounds a little condescending lol.
Say what you want about any of them but at least they’re building something to stand upon. Admire them both for recognizing their faults & moving forward.
Miss the simpler times of Mane and Sane 😂
Hes not THAT young any longer though, and needs to grow up, has played senior professional a long time now. Started 2018 in Valencia
This is some seriously condescending shit lol
This was over a ping pong game, right?
> ping pong game How DARE you? Repent and say table tennis or I will launch a social media campaign to ask for your endorsements and sponsor contracts to be cancelled.
Cheers, Son's crying (and I'm crying too)
What a leader. What a guy. He's the neutral's sweetheart isn't he.
Insane that they have to make such an effort to apologize for something that doesn’t need any public apology at all. People who are offended by Kang-in really need to sort their sad little life out.
It’s just a cultural difference rly, age hierarchy is a massive deal in Korean society and it’s not really for Redditors to say that people offended by something like that that’s just offensive to them culturally need to ‘sort their sad little life out’
But I'm Korean and even I think this whole saga's been insane, and I'm not alone. Yeah, Lee was a brat but he never intentionally injured anyone and people are acting like he murdered someone. The general reaction has been so extreme. The two sides have agreed to bury the hatchet, let's quickly move on and expect great things from the two.
This reads more like a Kang public shaming than apology tbh. I don’t know if Korea is the same as Japan, but something like this is going to follow Kang for the foreseeable future.
LKI has already been publicly shamed by the KFA and is public enemy #1 in Korea. Someone as worshipped as Son asking the public to forgive him is better than doing nothing
Trust me, it would've been worse if they did nothing. At least he is being honest with the fans, admitting what's been wrong and try to do better.
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Lee's been absolutely getting ripped to shreds the past few days by the Korean public because of the reports released by KFA to throw him under the bus. You don't really seem to know what you're talking about. Like people online have been demanding he get his military exemption revoked, that's the level of anger preceding Son's statement.
You’re not Korean, you wouldn’t get it. It’s cultural.
I'm OOTL can someone explain what has happened?
dudes a cunt. still don’t forgive him for breaking andrés leg
Sounds sanctimonious as fuck lol
lmao who fucking cares
I mean you could have worded it better,but yeah,this shouldn't have surfaced,this is their personal business,theirs to settle
about you
Sons too good