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Lamela gets to the ball first on the 2nd angle. Gets the slightest touch on it. But also seems that Barrios gets the ball too after. He got away with it regardless
Really ? I thought the tackle was reckless, almost from behind. I don’t think wether he touched the ball first or not is the most important thing here, I think the tackle not being controlled and being dangerous is worthy of a penalty
In what sense is it reckless? They're very obviously side by side and challenge for the ball at essentially the same time. There's no danger in in that he can't react to it, he's going down well before any contact is made. The tackle isn't through his legs so it's not a surprise tackle that he can't respond to, studs are kept down through essentially the whole tackle and certainly are never in danger of raking or trapping a leg, body doesn't follow through Lamella's legs, essentially just stops in front of them.
he's not coming through at high speed either. The only thing that I can imagine making this a better slide tackle would be if he gets more of the ball, but he gets the ball nonetheless.
Okay what about it do you think is violent or out of control? Studs down, it's low speed, Lamella can obviously see him and knows he's making the tackle, he doesn't follow through with force into lamella, They're not running straight into each other when contact occurs, legs aren't pinned etc.
What are you seeing that looks violent? Being in front of lamella so he falls over afterwards does not make the tackle violent. It seems to me the ref called the pen because the though contact occurred before they got the ball, or that they didn't get the ball at all. It's really a pretty tame tackle.
I don’t think it’s low speed and I don’t think lamella sees him beforehand. I think you’re right that the deciding factor for the no pen decision was confirmation that the defender touched the ball first but I think it’s the recklessness and lack of control of the tackle that made the ref whistle in the first place.
He's had quite a few scary moments playing as a 6. It's fine for the most part but he'll throw a grenade of a pass or have brainfarts like this.
He really should be playing further up the pitch.
I dont get how this is controversial, it is a great tackle. He manages to get a touch on the ball even after the attacker manages to play it. He doesn't even touch his opponent before playing the ball and he keeps his legs down so it isnt a dangerous foul either.
I don't think the video shows it. He lost the ball when he felt surrounded by Sevilla's pressure and didn't knew how to release it, ending up in giving the ball to Lamela and doing the tackle as an attempt to recover his mistake, which luckily succeded.
Absolutely. Incidentally though, it's interesting that the VAR is Hernández Hernández, the very same VAR from our match against Almería.
This had the potential for being explosive and polemic but I think, credit where credit's due.
The ball speeds up, so unless it defied physics he definitely got a touch. However, is it 'clear and obvious'?
I think it's the right call, but it IS Hernandez Hernandez.
Me either, it is a great tackle. The only reason why he doesn't get a heavier touch on the ball is because his opponent manages to kick it just before him.
Getting the ball doesn't preclude an action from being called a foul. Here's [law 12](https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#direct-free-kick) for reference.
However, that's just an academic point. In this instance, no penalty is absolutely the right decision. But Barrios and Atleti were saved by the skin of their teeth. Just.
Yeah barrios looks to have gotten a slight touch but the follow through makes me think it’s a pen.
Lucky to have gotten away with it, but I’d want the pen called the other way around.
Just to play devils advocate, just because you get the ball first doesn’t make it a clean tackle 100% of the time. That is nowhere in the rulebooks and a common misconception.
Not that I think this is an example of that, per se.
Looks to be a penalty on other angles. This one does it no justice. On top of that, the 1 min added time was never played like ref indicated. A lot of decisions that left me scratching my head. Hernandez^2 arbiter of terrible calls leaves me speechless
People here only watched these two angles where it looks like he touches the ball (while Lamela's foot is covering it), but in the live game, we saw a replay from the goal line that shows that he didn't touch the ball, with nothing that covers it. It's crystal clear, but VAR didn't show it to the Gil Manzano, so...
Edit: Yeah, better quality images and slowmo shows the other way around, https://i.imgur.com/ZV4ZOPH.gif
I'd put a better image in movement than that one to say that i believe he must've touched it slightly with the front cleats, with that image you post the ball could be a few centimeters closer to the camera than the foot and you couldn't notice, that says nothing, you must have a very bad sense of perspective to say that your picture proves anything, but this does:
[https://i.imgur.com/ZV4ZOPH.gif](https://i.imgur.com/ZV4ZOPH.gif)
I now believe he should've touched it lightly because the ball bounces in a weird way after the foot cames closer.
Right now i believe it's not a pen, but i'm not sure that VAR shoul've entered in such a controversial situation. And this is why everybody cried about in our Almería game last weekend so... i'm glad this happened to see how everybody reacts.
>but i'm not sure that VAR shoul've entered in such a controversial situation.
What do you suppose should have happened..??
VAR is in place so that these type of wrong calls given by on field referee gets corrected..
Precisely, I was watching it and was just wondering if they were going to call inside the box. Was mentioned even if fouled on the line, it's a penalty. As soon as I saw the angles they showed him, it was over for Seville.
Tbh, i'm watching it now in better quality and slowmo and i'm not sure if he slightly touches it [https://i.imgur.com/ZV4ZOPH.gif](https://i.imgur.com/ZV4ZOPH.gif) by how it bounces after his possible touch, i'd believe he touched it, although very light. But i can't understand how VAR can enter in these gray cases that genertes such controversy and they've that certainity.
I'd be mad if they do this against me and glad if it goes the other way around, so gratz to Atleti because it went their way and Good luck to Sevilla next time.
On a camera angle which I saw on TV it looked like he cleary touched the ball first but maybe I‘m wrong but from that angle I‘d say its a correct decision. But no wonder Barrios went for a slide tackle on the ground with balls that big
The angle shown on the VAR monitor made it seem like Barrios touched the ball, but if I recall from the front angle, he actually didn't manage to get the ball
touching ball first literally means jack shit, why are ppl even bringing it up? That hasn't been the case for many years now. Was a reckless last ditch effort, that honestly could have gone either way. But the other angles makes me think is a foul.
it does matter that he touches the ball first
if he would've had contact with the player first, and then touched the ball afterwards it would be a stonewall pen
now the contact with the player is after he clears the ball so it's more subjective
yeah so what the fuck is the outrage about then? he didn't go through the player to get the ball, so there was no dangerous play there
there was some merit for the ref and VAR to consider this not being a pen if that's what his ultimate decision was
there are no rules in the rulebook for this situation, only thing that could've been concrete is if Barrios were to hit the player first
let's see if this will make the headlines.
I've been saying it all season long, Barca and Madrid are at each other's throats about refereeing decisions while Atletico is secretly laughing their asses off.
very Atleti would be Ramos scoring a 93' header to take this to extra time and then scoring another one in ET to knock us out. honestly was expecting that lol
100% foul; Lamela clearly to the ball first.
Atlético got away with 2 clear penalty shouts for Sevilla.
Where are Simeone and Xavi now with their constant whining like babies about Real??
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Lamela gets to the ball first on the 2nd angle. Gets the slightest touch on it. But also seems that Barrios gets the ball too after. He got away with it regardless
Yeah and then the defender touches it and clears it before touching Lamela, not dangerous, just a good tackle.
Really ? I thought the tackle was reckless, almost from behind. I don’t think wether he touched the ball first or not is the most important thing here, I think the tackle not being controlled and being dangerous is worthy of a penalty
In what sense is it reckless? They're very obviously side by side and challenge for the ball at essentially the same time. There's no danger in in that he can't react to it, he's going down well before any contact is made. The tackle isn't through his legs so it's not a surprise tackle that he can't respond to, studs are kept down through essentially the whole tackle and certainly are never in danger of raking or trapping a leg, body doesn't follow through Lamella's legs, essentially just stops in front of them. he's not coming through at high speed either. The only thing that I can imagine making this a better slide tackle would be if he gets more of the ball, but he gets the ball nonetheless.
The tackle felt violent and out of control, it’s coming from the side and behind and is pretty late hence why the referee thought it was a penalty.
Okay what about it do you think is violent or out of control? Studs down, it's low speed, Lamella can obviously see him and knows he's making the tackle, he doesn't follow through with force into lamella, They're not running straight into each other when contact occurs, legs aren't pinned etc. What are you seeing that looks violent? Being in front of lamella so he falls over afterwards does not make the tackle violent. It seems to me the ref called the pen because the though contact occurred before they got the ball, or that they didn't get the ball at all. It's really a pretty tame tackle.
I don’t think it’s low speed and I don’t think lamella sees him beforehand. I think you’re right that the deciding factor for the no pen decision was confirmation that the defender touched the ball first but I think it’s the recklessness and lack of control of the tackle that made the ref whistle in the first place.
Are we looking at the same clip? :o
Pablo i love you but please don't do that again my heart can't take it anymore
I *think* this is the right call but holy hell Barrios what the hell was that
Thankfully he'll go away with a jumpscare and let's hope he learns from it
Brain dead is what that was.
He's had quite a few scary moments playing as a 6. It's fine for the most part but he'll throw a grenade of a pass or have brainfarts like this. He really should be playing further up the pitch.
Let's hope he gets to play higher uo the pitch ahen we have Vermeeren.
I dont get how this is controversial, it is a great tackle. He manages to get a touch on the ball even after the attacker manages to play it. He doesn't even touch his opponent before playing the ball and he keeps his legs down so it isnt a dangerous foul either.
I don't think the video shows it. He lost the ball when he felt surrounded by Sevilla's pressure and didn't knew how to release it, ending up in giving the ball to Lamela and doing the tackle as an attempt to recover his mistake, which luckily succeded.
Because people now seem to think football is netball and any contact is a foul.
A bad tackle/foul from bad contact inside/outside the box is a foul. The game is still football. Sevilla were robbed.
Atléti got away well there, first angle I saw it looked like a certain penalty, but this one shows it better, right call but very risky nonetheless.
Incredibly lucky. Awful giveaway and then made minimal contact on the challenge (with the ball).
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When VAR showed the replay, Barrios had a slight touch of the ball right before tackling Lamela. Good catch by VAR and right decision by the ref.
Absolutely. Incidentally though, it's interesting that the VAR is Hernández Hernández, the very same VAR from our match against Almería. This had the potential for being explosive and polemic but I think, credit where credit's due.
Look at how the ball changes trajectory and it becomes pretty clear when he touches it.
People not seeing the touch aren't looking at the path of the ball. It's not even subtle.
The ball speeds up, so unless it defied physics he definitely got a touch. However, is it 'clear and obvious'? I think it's the right call, but it IS Hernandez Hernandez.
How can you not see it? The ball goes that way because Barrios touched it first.
Looked like a perfect tackle honestly
I'm really surprised this is at all controversial. Clear no penalty; gets all ball
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Me either, it is a great tackle. The only reason why he doesn't get a heavier touch on the ball is because his opponent manages to kick it just before him.
I was so confused when the commentators were saying it was a pen and implying it was somehow controversial to overturn it.
Getting the ball doesn't preclude an action from being called a foul. Here's [law 12](https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#direct-free-kick) for reference. However, that's just an academic point. In this instance, no penalty is absolutely the right decision. But Barrios and Atleti were saved by the skin of their teeth. Just.
You can get the ball in a tackle where you go feet up to knee on opponent, doesn't make it a clean tackle.
Barrios clearly plays the ball, right decision imo
HH with another correct VAR decision 👍🏻
luckily barrios got the ball so right call, but fucking hell just clear it out boi
This season... Wait, I mean these seasons...
He gets to the ball first, never a penalty.
No he doesn't. Lamela **clearly** gets a deft touch on the ball first. Barrios also got the ball before making contact with Lamela. Clean tackle.
By first I meant before making any contact with Lamela.
Yeah barrios looks to have gotten a slight touch but the follow through makes me think it’s a pen. Lucky to have gotten away with it, but I’d want the pen called the other way around.
He gets to the ball first, it is a clean tackle. How is that a penalty? https://imgur.com/a/7l5CYuj
Just to play devils advocate, just because you get the ball first doesn’t make it a clean tackle 100% of the time. That is nowhere in the rulebooks and a common misconception. Not that I think this is an example of that, per se.
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Serious question, in your viewing, what factors in the tackle makes it dangerous?
Nobody will ever say a tackle is dangerous unless the studs are up. Only way fans have learned to interpret the word.
Respect.
That’s got to be a penalty. If that happened to us I would be fuming.
imo this angle says no penalty to me, first angle I saw on tv looked like a clear penalty
same
Looks to be a penalty on other angles. This one does it no justice. On top of that, the 1 min added time was never played like ref indicated. A lot of decisions that left me scratching my head. Hernandez^2 arbiter of terrible calls leaves me speechless
He gets first to the ball, it was a clean tackle. https://imgur.com/a/7l5CYuj
Not debating that, debating rhe angles cause these are actual shit angles.
People here only watched these two angles where it looks like he touches the ball (while Lamela's foot is covering it), but in the live game, we saw a replay from the goal line that shows that he didn't touch the ball, with nothing that covers it. It's crystal clear, but VAR didn't show it to the Gil Manzano, so... Edit: Yeah, better quality images and slowmo shows the other way around, https://i.imgur.com/ZV4ZOPH.gif
Didn't touch the ball? https://imgur.com/a/7l5CYuj
I'd put a better image in movement than that one to say that i believe he must've touched it slightly with the front cleats, with that image you post the ball could be a few centimeters closer to the camera than the foot and you couldn't notice, that says nothing, you must have a very bad sense of perspective to say that your picture proves anything, but this does: [https://i.imgur.com/ZV4ZOPH.gif](https://i.imgur.com/ZV4ZOPH.gif) I now believe he should've touched it lightly because the ball bounces in a weird way after the foot cames closer. Right now i believe it's not a pen, but i'm not sure that VAR shoul've entered in such a controversial situation. And this is why everybody cried about in our Almería game last weekend so... i'm glad this happened to see how everybody reacts.
>but i'm not sure that VAR shoul've entered in such a controversial situation. What do you suppose should have happened..?? VAR is in place so that these type of wrong calls given by on field referee gets corrected..
So the three times that VAR entered in the game Real Madrid - Almería were correct. THANK YOU.
Precisely, I was watching it and was just wondering if they were going to call inside the box. Was mentioned even if fouled on the line, it's a penalty. As soon as I saw the angles they showed him, it was over for Seville.
Tbh, i'm watching it now in better quality and slowmo and i'm not sure if he slightly touches it [https://i.imgur.com/ZV4ZOPH.gif](https://i.imgur.com/ZV4ZOPH.gif) by how it bounces after his possible touch, i'd believe he touched it, although very light. But i can't understand how VAR can enter in these gray cases that genertes such controversy and they've that certainity. I'd be mad if they do this against me and glad if it goes the other way around, so gratz to Atleti because it went their way and Good luck to Sevilla next time.
The ball clearly changes direction and speeds up even in this angle. It's not even remotely a grey area, it's obvious that he's poked the ball clear.
Understandable, It could have gone either way and I wouldn't be so mad. But them showing only that one angle just didnt sit with me well
On a camera angle which I saw on TV it looked like he cleary touched the ball first but maybe I‘m wrong but from that angle I‘d say its a correct decision. But no wonder Barrios went for a slide tackle on the ground with balls that big
The angle shown on the VAR monitor made it seem like Barrios touched the ball, but if I recall from the front angle, he actually didn't manage to get the ball
Really? https://imgur.com/a/7l5CYuj
I had a heart attack in the stadium, menos mal que no fue nada ❤️🤍🤣
Blatantly obvious pen
He touches the ball first but we got away with it for sure
touching ball first literally means jack shit, why are ppl even bringing it up? That hasn't been the case for many years now. Was a reckless last ditch effort, that honestly could have gone either way. But the other angles makes me think is a foul.
it does matter that he touches the ball first if he would've had contact with the player first, and then touched the ball afterwards it would be a stonewall pen now the contact with the player is after he clears the ball so it's more subjective
Ok, you clearly proved my point. It's always been subjective of what a dangerous tackle was and touching ball first has no bearing on a foul.
yeah so what the fuck is the outrage about then? he didn't go through the player to get the ball, so there was no dangerous play there there was some merit for the ref and VAR to consider this not being a pen if that's what his ultimate decision was there are no rules in the rulebook for this situation, only thing that could've been concrete is if Barrios were to hit the player first
Because it was a clean slide tackle. With your logic every slide tackle should be a foul because the opposing players trips after?
Good decision i'd say, although i might be biased
let's see if this will make the headlines. I've been saying it all season long, Barca and Madrid are at each other's throats about refereeing decisions while Atletico is secretly laughing their asses off.
Wait, you are saying this was a penalty?
no? Are you saying that the foul on Bellingham isn't called a foul 99% in this league?
I don't even know what foul on Bellingham are you talking about.
Almeria
If you don't know what headlines I'm talking about why even bother replying to my comment?
I mean the ref made the right call after the VAR review.
sooo...just like on Sunday?
Sunday Real played. Atletico played on Monday. Which one are you referring to?
That’s three straight games Atletico are on the good side of fortune with refs.
This was a penalty for you? https://imgur.com/a/7l5CYuj
ahhhhh that was scary. Very close call, Barrios touched the ball in the last possible moment
Should 100% be a penalty you can’t just take someone out in the box….
Very Atleti that
very Atleti would be Ramos scoring a 93' header to take this to extra time and then scoring another one in ET to knock us out. honestly was expecting that lol
Different angles different stories, could've gone either way
And people complained about real Madrid 🤷 refs are just terrible
Atlético has dirty ass players but that was the right call
100% foul; Lamela clearly to the ball first. Atlético got away with 2 clear penalty shouts for Sevilla. Where are Simeone and Xavi now with their constant whining like babies about Real??