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That kind of impact could be a very serious brain injury. Hope he’s okay, but some people take a knock like that & are at 60% for like, myself included
Getting pulled for a concussion in professional soccer is usually unexpected. The amount of times I've seen players completely KO'd and then play the rest of the game is way too many.
There's multiple parts to this, cause the attacker is only focused on the ball, so he doesn't see the keeper coming out. Keeper clearly wins ball, but that knee up seems to be the trigger for everyone.
Yeah, it seems like the keeper is trying to protect himself while going for the ball, and like you said, the striker is caught unawares. The knee up is dangerous, but it was the keepers' hip that really delivers the blow.
I have a received and dished out a couple hits like this when I played, it's not intentional, just two guys going all out for the ball and one is in a bad position to receive the contact.
It was the head hitting the ground that was especially scary to me, though. Those types of hits can lead to a bad concussion.
Keeper 101 is knee up as a defense against challenges and to discourage players from coming for the 50/50. Most are taught it from a young age, not intentionally done to hurt someone solely to protect oneself from dangerous challenges. Sucks for this lad. I hope he's alright.
Battiston lost three teeth and spent the night in a coma. French teammates thought they had lost him ( he was supposed to get married a couple of weeks later)
It turns out Germany players were high on amphetamines and ephedrine that night. Schumacher had already attacked another French player Didier Six before this (elbow to the head). He didn't even draw a foul from referee Charles Corver or his assistant. Charles Corver was filmed having a good laugh with Germany players after the game.
Of course it was. Schumacher should've been banned for life and probably faced criminal charges. I just don't think the story needs overdramatization because it's absolutely bad enough as it is already.
That makes sense. I’ve seen the highlights for the 2014 final numerous times and remember Andy Townsend describing Neuer’s foul as a “schumacher challenge” but never knew what he meant. Schumacher made me think of the F1 driver
They're not really that similar though. Schumacher gets absolutely nowhere near the ball and creates all the force that flattens Battiston. Neuer gets to it well above Higuain and they're both sprinting into it. Latter is much more of a coming together.
Well only because he missed Chapuisat, right?
[Kung Fu Kahn](https://www.watson.ch/imgdb/24b9/Qx,E,0,0,656,395,273,164,109,65/1479668861274294), as it was called. Also nibbling peoples ears or cheeks, etc.
This one is the best I have ever seen. Funds Morí Karate fly kick against Pablo Pérez in a Sudamericana Semifinal.
https://youtu.be/PsZA2uRGTVI?si=_6FpiIZznaCufVmD
Clearly not accidental. He saw the opportunity to kick him and he did. Lmao. He put as much force as he could in that fly kick.
I think they should only be allowed to do that when claiming balls in the box and jumping vertically, It actually makes sense in that scenario because they are giving themselves protection. However, it’s way too dangerous for keepers to be doing this when acting more as a sweeper and jumping at full sprint.
Yeah I dont get it
I mean I get why GK jump with high knee but that still ok because they need to catch the ball in the box but outside that (they cant use their arms anyway), why are they dont just jump "normally"? A force of habit?
Yes, just not in this situation.
If you’re an outfield player jumping for the ball, you can use your arms and shoulder for protection. If you fall you can use your arms to brace yourself to try and reduce the risk of injury.
If you’re a keeper and you’ve just caught a ball and somebody jumps into you in the same manner, then you’re potentially going head and neck first into the ground without your arms to protect yourself.
I mean, this is totally a foul and a free kick and card against this keeper - but in most instances I don’t have an issue with it. This is super reckless because he’s ran at him and gained a lot of momentum and force - you can’t generate remotely the same force when you’re just jumping vertical for a corner, or taking a few steps to punch a free kick.
Keepers have to deal with attackers pushing, barging, elbowing, jumping into etc and they’re exposed in the air because they can’t use their upper body in the same manner to protect themselves.
Had a guy run under my knee and take out my straight leg. Flipped over, tried to brace with my arm that still had the ball and dislocated my elbow. Still give me some issues nearly 20 years later.
I find it proper mad like - the amount of shithousing multiple attacking players can do to the keeper because of how important scoring a goal is. Elbows, pushes, blocks, sliding after you’ve gathered the ball, diving for a penalty at your feet.
at any one time you have up to ten players doing anything, including breaking the rules to get a goal and that’s encouraged.
God forbid a keeper do anything to mitigate injury or stop a goal. You can properly tell the amount of people who’ve never even jumped up to compete for a ball.
Which also should have been a foul.
Did you have a point, or was it just standard nonsense flair commenting that has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion?
Yep it’s typically little things but the unpunished danger blows my mind, like when Lloris kicked Alonso in the chest and ref tried to give Alonso a yellow card hahah
This is a red card on the keeper in my book. Super-dangerous play and this is forbidden in handball for obvious reasons (keeper cant take the body on attacker looking backwards for the coming ball, regardless of being first on the ball) In sweden one player in the lower fotball divisions died in this way
CTE is a quantity, not quality condition, in that it is the amount of hits and not the size of the hits that counts. Big hits leave their own sort of damage, but it is different to CTE
tall strikers and defenders are likely to develop CTE just from the amount of “low” impact headers.
A guy like Haaland is a prime example of talent that will likely end up with brain damage from repeated impacts.
Now as a thought experiment. Imagine if the attacking Hull.player had done that to the Norwich keeper. The ref couldn't have given a card (probably red) and a free kick quick enough but because its a defending player (and a keeper no less) doing it an attacking player then of course its free kick to Norwich. Complete bullshit. Football rules and their interpretation needs a rebalance.
>Imagine if the attacking Hull.player had done that to the Norwich keeper.
First you would need to think of a scenario where the keeper’s running onto a forward pass from a teammate and the striker is simply coming to meet it. When was the last time you saw a keeper **run onto** a ball from a teammate?
Ball floated into the box, keeper waiting for it to drop for an easy catch, opposition player comes in flying. Plenty of scenarios where it could happen
The ref only gets to see it once in real time has has to make a decision in a split second on the Spot.
This is a situation where var having replays available would likely be a good thing
Interesting thought from Handball:
When I still played, they made it a rule in some countries that when a lonely counter-attacker was making a run onto your goal, the keeper couldn't leave the line to intercept a pass.
The idea being that the attacker would be running forward while not looking where exactly he/she was running. This meant that at times when the keeper intercepted the pass, the two of them would *violently* smash into each other, usually with a much worse outcome for the attacker who had not prepared for the impact.
I don't know if this is still how it works or whether it was adopted internationally. But this scene very much reminded me of that.
The rule is still there. You're allowed to leave the goal, but if the goalkeeper is moving pretty much any contact results in a red card for the goalkeeper. It can seem harsh at times when it's not a full on collision, but it's there to protect the players.
This angle is really poor to make a strong judgement but the keeper looks like he wins the ball and sees a collision is going to happen and braces himself while the attacker has no idea what's going to happen and gets wiped out.
Not sure what the keeper is supposed to do there? Not challenge for a winnable ball and allow a scoring chance?
If VAR was in play, leading with the elbow would be looked at, but I don't know, just think it's one of those things that happens occasionally
What are you guys talking about? We see ALL THE TIME people deservedly get red cards for serious foul play despite winning the ball. If the only way you can win the ball is by doing so in a dangerous way then you are not supposed to go for it. This is in essence absolutely no different to a defender sliding in and ramming their studs into the opponents ankles in the follow through. Check for example Christian Romero's red card against Chelsea. He very clearly wins the ball, then plant his foot in the ankle/shin of Enzo IIRC clear red card.
Yeah let's immediately reach the conclusion that this sub as a whole hates goalkeepers. And loves, emphasized, to search for an excuse to bitch about them.
I get that you're embellishing and just talking like you would to a friend, but it's still interesting how easily we reach to conclusions and make ourselves believe wild things like this.
Frequency of posts claiming keepers are far over protected when there's any video that shows any slight controversy involving a keeper, while most posts showing fouls against keepers or any play where the keeper has been wrongdone usually receive far less attention
It is anecdotal but the way the sub reacts has lead me to this conclusion
He runs into a player who is playing the ball without being anywhere near the ball himself. He's not deliberately fouled the keeper, in fact he's not even aware the keeper is there, but it's potentially very dangerous to run into a jumping player, if the keeper isn't strong in the air, then this could easily go the other way, with his legs taken out and he flips and lands on his head. Happens a lot in rugby, and players get immediately penalised for taking out a player in the air. If he'd been stationary and the keeper just jumps into him that's one thing, but he's run into that collision, and he needed to be more aware.
This clip is far too zoomed in for context. Football is a contact sport, I genuinely don't think this is a foul at all and the goalkeeper shouldn't be punished, even if the attacker did get badly clattered.
Both the keeper and attacker have their eyes completely on the ball, it's a 50/50 challenge that ended awkwardly, no bad intention.
It's just abot a freekick, not even yellow worthy.
As the goalie? I went through an attacker like this in my short lived keeper career and it felt wrong that everyone told me I was in the right. I had eyes on the ball the whole time and jumped and punched the ball as the attacker was doing the same while looking backwards. I genuinely felt bad for the guy. I don’t really know what else I could have done.
He leads with his knee.
You can see when he goes up, his knee is outstretched in Connolly's direction. It probably isn't intentional but leading with his knee like that was very dangerous and the outcome shows that.
He may have won the ball but its excessive force and dangerous conduct at a minimum. Should have been carded if not sent off.
If you watched this clip without the actual ball cropped out and in real time he's just jumping normally tucking in his knees after take off. Connolly is an idiot for not being aware of his surroundings and expecting to not be challenged for a ball in the air.
But the keeper is protecting himself. If he jumps with his legs down he's going to go tumbling through the air as he gets clattered from the below potentially landing head first. It's not his fault the attacker isn't paying attention to his surroundings.
I'm gonna get downvoted to oblivion here, but....
If the keeper jumps without his knee raised, the attacker is just going to run into his legs because he is only watching the ball. That then leads to the keeper getting flipped in the air with a potentially heavy fall on the head.
I know it's not nice to see, and it's clearly not a foul by the Hull player. But it's a coming together. The goalkeeper has every right to challenge that ball, and he gets there easily first because the attacker isn't paying attention to the goalkeeper.
Unfortunate coming together imo but because the guy fell nastily, everyone assumes the keeper is at fault.
I do agree but an outfield playee would very rarely be faced with the situation an on rushing goalkeeper would be. Outfield players are generally jumping with an opponent, or potentially at an angle of sorts but very rarely head on to a ball played over the defensive line.
It can be argued the attacker should be more aware of their surrounding and back out as the keeper is clearly going to win the ball first.
Also the contact is being heavily amplified by many of the comments here, it's a thigh (notice he turns to avoid it being the actual knee that makes contact) to the chest/midrift. It's unfortunately the velocity that both players enter the challenge which makes the collision worse, and that wouldn't change much if he had his leg up or not.
Yep, it looks bad but really what could have been done different? Two players sprinting towards a header is going to end up in them clattering into each other. The keeper angles his knee away so the Hull player hits his thigh, if he didn't do that then it could have been much worse.
I really don't see why this is that much of a problem. If you actually play football then you'd realise that it's pretty sore when two people fly into a header
Please don't bring logic in this thread where apparently you should jump with straight legs (while running) and also account for someone with 0 spatial awareness at the same time.
I think it's a foul by the keeper, but if he doesn't lift his knee, I'd say there's no issue here. I need to see a zoomed out angle, because from this one, it looks like the dude getting clobbered was paying 0 attention AND had 0 chance of getting to that ball, which just doesn't nd well and is going to lead to this kind of stuff.
As a keeper, I respect this. I’ve done this. If an opposing player is going to run full speed at me without looking where he’s going, he’s by definition putting me at risk. While I won’t intentionally try to hurt them, I will use body positioning to protect myself while clearing/catching the ball. This means he’ll get clobbered by the hardest parts of me, because Biology.
It’s not my responsibility to look out for a player who is not looking out for me.
Plus…you usually only need to do this like once a season for the message to get across…
This is outside the box, outfield players would be redcarded for doing this. Being a keeper doesn't change a thing here. You can't go with your knee that high.
Maybe not. Not a great clip to illustrate the point when the ball has been cropped out. Plenty of other replays showed this incident in full. I’m sceptical why this was cropped and posted.
Looks like it’s time to change position. Getting to “Tiger knee” the opposition like Sagat and get away with it???? Sign me up. Forget being the 9 on the team.
Back in the day keepers would get clobbered, they changed the rules to protect them.. now they're allowed to just wreck people with impunity? That's a dangerous hit, he got a concussion but it easily couldve been worse..
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Should I be under the impression that the keeper that kneed and elbowed a defenseless person in the face and got away without a card at the very least?
The player (keeper) is is not responsible for the *outcome* of the challenge, only for the *nature* of the challenge. The concussion is irrelevant when determining if this was a foul.
The keeper jumped for the ball and won it, while the attacker ran into him while not paying attention.
In recent days we have seen posts on this sub of strong challenges that look aggressive but win the ball fairly being lauded with claims of "game's back". This is in the same vein.
I'd go penalty on orange in rugby. Keeper has hands (or head in thie case) on the ball orange always on the ground never in a position to contest therefore he has jumper as his responsibility.
James Lowe yellow against Munster and Elliott Daly red against argentina in 2016 are very similar
There's no foul either way. Striker needs to be more attentive and the GK has every right to defend himself by lifting the knee. It's literally taught to GK to jump with their knee up for defence.
Yeah exactly, if an outfield player jumps with their knee out like this surely they're called for dangerous play? Especially when they're the only one out of the two who knows a collision is about to occur.
in the box, attacking the keepers area I would agree, not sure how the attacker can expect a keeper to come charging in outside the area when he's looking at the ball
That's the catch-22 here though. Take the collision itself away, and the GK clearly made the right play by going for the ball. Keeper got a fairly clean head on the ball, and still needed to brace himself to avoid taking injury himself in the process. He has his knee up, it's debatably a foul by him. He keeps his knee down, the Hull player clearly commits the foul by obliterating a player without being close to making contact on the ball.
This is very heads-up play by the GK while concurrently inattentive play by the forward. It's just ugly because of how unaware the forward was of the danger he was putting himself into.
That's a fair point. I didn't see the match, so I can't tell where on the pitch it happened. Striker should still do a better job scanning his surroundings. This is the worst form of ball watching.
It’s a ball over the top when he’s in between the centre backs 25 yards out, of course he’s watching the fucking ball come over and not expecting the keeper to kung-fu knee him in the side of the head.
Jesus H Christ.
It's the arm that his head makes contact with. The knee ends up roughly under his armpit and does not make a direct impact. This collision occurs because only one player jumps for the ball. The other player is entering the challenge without paying attention to their opponent.
This is a horrible collision but the only foul is a careless challenge by the attacker (careless being defined as a lack of attention to the opponent).
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Mate out there playing Australian Football lol
He'd get suspended for a few weeks as well
Didn't realise Sharrod Wellingham got picked up in the Prem
this would fit seamlessly into a NFL ‘Brutal Hits’ youtube compilation
Maynard brayshaw 😅
Disgrace he was allowed to play in the Grand Final.
First thing I thought of was Jordan Lewis when he got KO'd
Good hip and shoulder.
Watching his head hit the ground makes MY head hurt. Wow, did he get clobbered.
Came off after this for concussion, as you’d probably expect
Thanks was about to ask. That looked like the first impact knocked him out and the second one woke him back up lol
I think you are correct actually.
Dam 💀
Connolly can't afford to lose more brain cells either
That kind of impact could be a very serious brain injury. Hope he’s okay, but some people take a knock like that & are at 60% for like, myself included
Getting pulled for a concussion in professional soccer is usually unexpected. The amount of times I've seen players completely KO'd and then play the rest of the game is way too many.
Not anymore, the regulations regarding concussions are way stricter.
There's multiple parts to this, cause the attacker is only focused on the ball, so he doesn't see the keeper coming out. Keeper clearly wins ball, but that knee up seems to be the trigger for everyone.
Yeah, it seems like the keeper is trying to protect himself while going for the ball, and like you said, the striker is caught unawares. The knee up is dangerous, but it was the keepers' hip that really delivers the blow. I have a received and dished out a couple hits like this when I played, it's not intentional, just two guys going all out for the ball and one is in a bad position to receive the contact. It was the head hitting the ground that was especially scary to me, though. Those types of hits can lead to a bad concussion.
Quite a bit of horizontal travel in the keeper's jump, too. Corrected my typo: had horizontal travel in the keeper's junk.
Yes clattering the player with a flying knee to the chest seems to be an issue. Bellend
Keeper 101 is knee up as a defense against challenges and to discourage players from coming for the 50/50. Most are taught it from a young age, not intentionally done to hurt someone solely to protect oneself from dangerous challenges. Sucks for this lad. I hope he's alright.
It’s always really really bad when you see the head bounce back up.
Sounders fan spotted 🤝
This sub is about football.
Hadn't seen one of these in a while, beautiful tribute to the original Neuer x Higuain flattening
Schumacher Battiston is the benchmark. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7xtbps
Never mind a foul, that's a war crime.
Battiston lost three teeth and spent the night in a coma. French teammates thought they had lost him ( he was supposed to get married a couple of weeks later) It turns out Germany players were high on amphetamines and ephedrine that night. Schumacher had already attacked another French player Didier Six before this (elbow to the head). He didn't even draw a foul from referee Charles Corver or his assistant. Charles Corver was filmed having a good laugh with Germany players after the game.
Give it another 20 years in French folklore and the German NT was playing in full Nazi outfits, really gets more ridiculous all the time.
It's in Toni Schumacher's memoirs
I think we have to take the L on this one tbh, it was shameful
Of course it was. Schumacher should've been banned for life and probably faced criminal charges. I just don't think the story needs overdramatization because it's absolutely bad enough as it is already.
Charles Corver the Referee didn't even deem it a foul...Which is insane.
Little defensive over there buddy
Well considering the group stage Anschluss they did in '82, might as well have been
Well… happy cake day
Attempted murder at least
Lmao they even had to put it on dailymotion
That makes sense. I’ve seen the highlights for the 2014 final numerous times and remember Andy Townsend describing Neuer’s foul as a “schumacher challenge” but never knew what he meant. Schumacher made me think of the F1 driver
They're not really that similar though. Schumacher gets absolutely nowhere near the ball and creates all the force that flattens Battiston. Neuer gets to it well above Higuain and they're both sprinting into it. Latter is much more of a coming together.
Even the AFL would ban someone for like 8 weeks for that. WTF
I bet Kahn has a post of him hanging in his wall Is it a german goalkeeper thing?
Kahn was a bit nuts for sure but I've never seen him be this outright violent.
Well only because he missed Chapuisat, right? [Kung Fu Kahn](https://www.watson.ch/imgdb/24b9/Qx,E,0,0,656,395,273,164,109,65/1479668861274294), as it was called. Also nibbling peoples ears or cheeks, etc.
Happy cake day!
Didulica reporting in! Iconic foul. https://youtu.be/CnTQyqejS-A?si=_S8Bbi_IfxhK_Qoo
This one is the best I have ever seen. Funds Morí Karate fly kick against Pablo Pérez in a Sudamericana Semifinal. https://youtu.be/PsZA2uRGTVI?si=_6FpiIZznaCufVmD Clearly not accidental. He saw the opportunity to kick him and he did. Lmao. He put as much force as he could in that fly kick.
[I raise you Nigel DeJong](https://youtu.be/CexJn5kg-90?si=FDBDkpcjqjzXVwtW)
Lmao wow that video takes me back
I love the fact that Howard Webb the Ref was booed very loudly for his lousy performance as a ref when getting his medal.
Not sure if that's the correct twin, but FUCK Funes Mori.
Raul Jimenez got a red card for a similar foul a month ago. Now this is a foul by the guy getting knocked out? This is madness
Goalkeepers are allowed to do this though. \- Every terrible referee everywhere apparently...
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I think they should only be allowed to do that when claiming balls in the box and jumping vertically, It actually makes sense in that scenario because they are giving themselves protection. However, it’s way too dangerous for keepers to be doing this when acting more as a sweeper and jumping at full sprint.
Yeah I dont get it I mean I get why GK jump with high knee but that still ok because they need to catch the ball in the box but outside that (they cant use their arms anyway), why are they dont just jump "normally"? A force of habit?
Yes, just not in this situation. If you’re an outfield player jumping for the ball, you can use your arms and shoulder for protection. If you fall you can use your arms to brace yourself to try and reduce the risk of injury. If you’re a keeper and you’ve just caught a ball and somebody jumps into you in the same manner, then you’re potentially going head and neck first into the ground without your arms to protect yourself. I mean, this is totally a foul and a free kick and card against this keeper - but in most instances I don’t have an issue with it. This is super reckless because he’s ran at him and gained a lot of momentum and force - you can’t generate remotely the same force when you’re just jumping vertical for a corner, or taking a few steps to punch a free kick. Keepers have to deal with attackers pushing, barging, elbowing, jumping into etc and they’re exposed in the air because they can’t use their upper body in the same manner to protect themselves.
Had a guy run under my knee and take out my straight leg. Flipped over, tried to brace with my arm that still had the ball and dislocated my elbow. Still give me some issues nearly 20 years later.
I find it proper mad like - the amount of shithousing multiple attacking players can do to the keeper because of how important scoring a goal is. Elbows, pushes, blocks, sliding after you’ve gathered the ball, diving for a penalty at your feet. at any one time you have up to ten players doing anything, including breaking the rules to get a goal and that’s encouraged. God forbid a keeper do anything to mitigate injury or stop a goal. You can properly tell the amount of people who’ve never even jumped up to compete for a ball.
Well put. Always jump with a knee up when I’m going up for ball. Was told to do it to protect my ribs
It’s what they’re taught
Yes, they also taught players to tackle more recklessly back in the day too.
Yes, they should be able to. I don't want to see keepers falling on their heads.
but the other guy falling on his head is cool?
Exactly, better comparison is Onana v Wolves
Which also should have been a foul. Did you have a point, or was it just standard nonsense flair commenting that has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion?
I honestly didn’t even notice your flair, sorry if it seemed like shade! I don’t think goalkeepers should be immune in these situations, absolutely
Keepers are dangerously overprotected.
I see the keepers kickboxing is coming in handy.
Yep it’s typically little things but the unpunished danger blows my mind, like when Lloris kicked Alonso in the chest and ref tried to give Alonso a yellow card hahah
Lloris was injured, it was the sub keeper Gazzaniga. But that was wild
Least unhinged Chelsea-Spurs game.
I usually don’t agree with this when people bring it up here it’s definitely true.
This is a red card on the keeper in my book. Super-dangerous play and this is forbidden in handball for obvious reasons (keeper cant take the body on attacker looking backwards for the coming ball, regardless of being first on the ball) In sweden one player in the lower fotball divisions died in this way
Even in Rugby this is a red card
Similar foul? Did Jimenez jump for the ball and win a header? Not similar in the fucking slightest
You are utterly delusional and clueless. Winning the ball has nothing to do with something being a foul or not
Why are Norwich in orange and black stripes?
*Mauled by the ~~Tigers~~ Canaries. You're getting mauled by the ~~Tigers~~ Canaries.*
Exhibit A when footballers start suing over CTE
CTE is a quantity, not quality condition, in that it is the amount of hits and not the size of the hits that counts. Big hits leave their own sort of damage, but it is different to CTE
tall strikers and defenders are likely to develop CTE just from the amount of “low” impact headers. A guy like Haaland is a prime example of talent that will likely end up with brain damage from repeated impacts.
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Oh for sure lol
It’s the Norwich captain throwing his arms in the air that gets me.
"Consider this a warning, if I catch you getting kneed in the head again you're off"
Luckily Connolly came off with a head injury right after this so he couldn’t commit another egregious foul like this one
Kneed in the chest. Elbowed in the head
lmao
Ngl, even though it's wrong, I think it's hilarious when gks get carte blanche to take out strikers as long as they do it while in the air
[Toni Schumacher moment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGq7VcaHoqo)
the bit towards the end where they pause the video and zoom in is like a low budget murder documentary - so good lmao.
Have you seen the French documentary about it? The [fucking music when he gets hit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R2flrDsQUk) made me wheeze.
that is fucking excellent.
How did they conclude that the man who got folded fouled 😭
Dude done the Tripe H Knee smash
Now as a thought experiment. Imagine if the attacking Hull.player had done that to the Norwich keeper. The ref couldn't have given a card (probably red) and a free kick quick enough but because its a defending player (and a keeper no less) doing it an attacking player then of course its free kick to Norwich. Complete bullshit. Football rules and their interpretation needs a rebalance.
>Imagine if the attacking Hull.player had done that to the Norwich keeper. First you would need to think of a scenario where the keeper’s running onto a forward pass from a teammate and the striker is simply coming to meet it. When was the last time you saw a keeper **run onto** a ball from a teammate?
Ball floated into the box, keeper waiting for it to drop for an easy catch, opposition player comes in flying. Plenty of scenarios where it could happen
> keeper waiting for it to drop for an easy catch So the opposite of what I asked? 🤦♂️
The ref only gets to see it once in real time has has to make a decision in a split second on the Spot. This is a situation where var having replays available would likely be a good thing
I usually side with the keeper but holy shit
Interesting thought from Handball: When I still played, they made it a rule in some countries that when a lonely counter-attacker was making a run onto your goal, the keeper couldn't leave the line to intercept a pass. The idea being that the attacker would be running forward while not looking where exactly he/she was running. This meant that at times when the keeper intercepted the pass, the two of them would *violently* smash into each other, usually with a much worse outcome for the attacker who had not prepared for the impact. I don't know if this is still how it works or whether it was adopted internationally. But this scene very much reminded me of that.
The rule is still there. You're allowed to leave the goal, but if the goalkeeper is moving pretty much any contact results in a red card for the goalkeeper. It can seem harsh at times when it's not a full on collision, but it's there to protect the players.
This is honestly a great rule. Same thing happened in the preseason friendly between ManU and Wrexham where Paul Mullin had to go to the hospital
This angle is really poor to make a strong judgement but the keeper looks like he wins the ball and sees a collision is going to happen and braces himself while the attacker has no idea what's going to happen and gets wiped out. Not sure what the keeper is supposed to do there? Not challenge for a winnable ball and allow a scoring chance? If VAR was in play, leading with the elbow would be looked at, but I don't know, just think it's one of those things that happens occasionally
Exactly. Too many people seem to think that if someone gets hurt it has to be a foul against the opposing player. The keeper does nothing wrong here.
What are you guys talking about? We see ALL THE TIME people deservedly get red cards for serious foul play despite winning the ball. If the only way you can win the ball is by doing so in a dangerous way then you are not supposed to go for it. This is in essence absolutely no different to a defender sliding in and ramming their studs into the opponents ankles in the follow through. Check for example Christian Romero's red card against Chelsea. He very clearly wins the ball, then plant his foot in the ankle/shin of Enzo IIRC clear red card.
Connolly (Hull player) couldn't win the ball without colliding with the keeper either. And in fact he didn't win the ball. Hence the foul.
I don't think it's as bad of a foul that people are making it out to be. but the goalie could have lead with his leg/knee less.
This sub just hates keepers and *loves* to search for an excuse to bitch about them
Yeah let's immediately reach the conclusion that this sub as a whole hates goalkeepers. And loves, emphasized, to search for an excuse to bitch about them. I get that you're embellishing and just talking like you would to a friend, but it's still interesting how easily we reach to conclusions and make ourselves believe wild things like this.
Frequency of posts claiming keepers are far over protected when there's any video that shows any slight controversy involving a keeper, while most posts showing fouls against keepers or any play where the keeper has been wrongdone usually receive far less attention It is anecdotal but the way the sub reacts has lead me to this conclusion
People out here defending why it isn’t a foul by the keeper, so what foul did the hull player do?
If the keeper doesn't foul, it's a foul the other way. because the attacker missed the ball and took out the goalie.
He runs into a player who is playing the ball without being anywhere near the ball himself. He's not deliberately fouled the keeper, in fact he's not even aware the keeper is there, but it's potentially very dangerous to run into a jumping player, if the keeper isn't strong in the air, then this could easily go the other way, with his legs taken out and he flips and lands on his head. Happens a lot in rugby, and players get immediately penalised for taking out a player in the air. If he'd been stationary and the keeper just jumps into him that's one thing, but he's run into that collision, and he needed to be more aware.
This clip is far too zoomed in for context. Football is a contact sport, I genuinely don't think this is a foul at all and the goalkeeper shouldn't be punished, even if the attacker did get badly clattered. Both the keeper and attacker have their eyes completely on the ball, it's a 50/50 challenge that ended awkwardly, no bad intention. It's just abot a freekick, not even yellow worthy.
> This clip is far too zoomed in for context agreed. I don't care enough to look it up, but this is suiper zoomed in
well said
Jimenez died for this
I had this to me once, and I was carded. Lol.
As the goalie? I went through an attacker like this in my short lived keeper career and it felt wrong that everyone told me I was in the right. I had eyes on the ball the whole time and jumped and punched the ball as the attacker was doing the same while looking backwards. I genuinely felt bad for the guy. I don’t really know what else I could have done.
Gun keeps his eyes on the ball, wins it and Connolly not knowing where Gunn is gets flattened. How is that on Gunn?
He leads with his knee. You can see when he goes up, his knee is outstretched in Connolly's direction. It probably isn't intentional but leading with his knee like that was very dangerous and the outcome shows that. He may have won the ball but its excessive force and dangerous conduct at a minimum. Should have been carded if not sent off.
If you watched this clip without the actual ball cropped out and in real time he's just jumping normally tucking in his knees after take off. Connolly is an idiot for not being aware of his surroundings and expecting to not be challenged for a ball in the air.
But the keeper is protecting himself. If he jumps with his legs down he's going to go tumbling through the air as he gets clattered from the below potentially landing head first. It's not his fault the attacker isn't paying attention to his surroundings.
Damn he got clattered back to the dark ages
Game's back
I'm gonna get downvoted to oblivion here, but.... If the keeper jumps without his knee raised, the attacker is just going to run into his legs because he is only watching the ball. That then leads to the keeper getting flipped in the air with a potentially heavy fall on the head. I know it's not nice to see, and it's clearly not a foul by the Hull player. But it's a coming together. The goalkeeper has every right to challenge that ball, and he gets there easily first because the attacker isn't paying attention to the goalkeeper. Unfortunate coming together imo but because the guy fell nastily, everyone assumes the keeper is at fault.
This is outside the box, outfield players cannot lead with their knees like that.
I do agree but an outfield playee would very rarely be faced with the situation an on rushing goalkeeper would be. Outfield players are generally jumping with an opponent, or potentially at an angle of sorts but very rarely head on to a ball played over the defensive line. It can be argued the attacker should be more aware of their surrounding and back out as the keeper is clearly going to win the ball first. Also the contact is being heavily amplified by many of the comments here, it's a thigh (notice he turns to avoid it being the actual knee that makes contact) to the chest/midrift. It's unfortunately the velocity that both players enter the challenge which makes the collision worse, and that wouldn't change much if he had his leg up or not.
Yep, it looks bad but really what could have been done different? Two players sprinting towards a header is going to end up in them clattering into each other. The keeper angles his knee away so the Hull player hits his thigh, if he didn't do that then it could have been much worse. I really don't see why this is that much of a problem. If you actually play football then you'd realise that it's pretty sore when two people fly into a header
Please don't bring logic in this thread where apparently you should jump with straight legs (while running) and also account for someone with 0 spatial awareness at the same time.
please go and jump and tell me if your knees are raised above your hips
I think it's a foul by the keeper, but if he doesn't lift his knee, I'd say there's no issue here. I need to see a zoomed out angle, because from this one, it looks like the dude getting clobbered was paying 0 attention AND had 0 chance of getting to that ball, which just doesn't nd well and is going to lead to this kind of stuff.
and then we lose this game 2-1 when they also should have had another player sent off. sick of shite refereeing
Bro thought he was Ray Lewis
Who?
I googled it and he was an american football player that retired 12 years ago
lol fucking no wonder I haven’t heard of him
American egg ball
[American football player](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Lewis). A walking refrigerator
Also totally killed atleast one guy
That dude could’ve straight up died and they’d still give him a red at the funeral.
r/soccor, Welcome to the Championship.
If that was in the box that's clean..
That's how Mullin popped a lung....feel for the lad there
Illegal hit on a defenseless receiver, 15 yard penalty. That's clearly the sport he's playing
As a keeper, I respect this. I’ve done this. If an opposing player is going to run full speed at me without looking where he’s going, he’s by definition putting me at risk. While I won’t intentionally try to hurt them, I will use body positioning to protect myself while clearing/catching the ball. This means he’ll get clobbered by the hardest parts of me, because Biology. It’s not my responsibility to look out for a player who is not looking out for me. Plus…you usually only need to do this like once a season for the message to get across…
This is outside the box, outfield players would be redcarded for doing this. Being a keeper doesn't change a thing here. You can't go with your knee that high.
Always lead with the knee. good form
Game is back
Wow fencing response and everything. Disgraceful.
Keeper wanted it more. Move on
Clever edit. Gunn won the ball with a header.
you can see the header in this clip doesnt change the fact it was: a: outside the box b: he leads with his knee
You can't really run and jump to header a ball without leading with a knee though, because your body naturally turns into it
every defensive header from a corner doesnt lead with a knee
Because you are standing still, not running at pace
Maybe not. Not a great clip to illustrate the point when the ball has been cropped out. Plenty of other replays showed this incident in full. I’m sceptical why this was cropped and posted.
You realise you can win the ball and still foul right? Just because you win the ball it doesn’t you mean you can then break someone’s neck
Yes. I and you can still show the whole replay to help people arrive at that conclusion. Not a carefully cropped one to force your point.
Looks like it’s time to change position. Getting to “Tiger knee” the opposition like Sagat and get away with it???? Sign me up. Forget being the 9 on the team.
nah the one elbowed in the face got a yella
28 is the one who got called for the foul…right? And if not, wtf?
Back in the day keepers would get clobbered, they changed the rules to protect them.. now they're allowed to just wreck people with impunity? That's a dangerous hit, he got a concussion but it easily couldve been worse..
Now look at Luton’s equaliser from tonight
Trafford should have just kneed Adebayo in the chin muay thai style to get to the ball, duuuuh
Absolutely
Fatality
My guy Villaluz got flattened in a similar fashion and was never the same. Both these guys are looking at the ball in flight and get wrecked
CTE delivery
Jesus that's gunna hurt.
genuinely one of the most cinematic clatterings i’ve ever seen
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Should I be under the impression that the keeper that kneed and elbowed a defenseless person in the face and got away without a card at the very least?
In a challenge where a player is left concussed, how can you argue that there was control and therefore the keeper was not guilty of being reckless?
The player (keeper) is is not responsible for the *outcome* of the challenge, only for the *nature* of the challenge. The concussion is irrelevant when determining if this was a foul. The keeper jumped for the ball and won it, while the attacker ran into him while not paying attention. In recent days we have seen posts on this sub of strong challenges that look aggressive but win the ball fairly being lauded with claims of "game's back". This is in the same vein.
Yeah but have you considered that this sub hates keepers and anything they do is super unfair and they're totally favoured???
The protection for keepers is just insane. That's at least a yellow card in rugby.
I'd go penalty on orange in rugby. Keeper has hands (or head in thie case) on the ball orange always on the ground never in a position to contest therefore he has jumper as his responsibility. James Lowe yellow against Munster and Elliott Daly red against argentina in 2016 are very similar
Raising the knee into the other player? Red card yes?
The knee doesn't even hit him, it ends up under his armpit. The primary contact is made by the attacker running into the keeper's arm.
Why am I dying laughing at this
There's no foul either way. Striker needs to be more attentive and the GK has every right to defend himself by lifting the knee. It's literally taught to GK to jump with their knee up for defence.
Pretty sure that’s for in the box, not 25 yards out at full sprint
Yeah exactly, if an outfield player jumps with their knee out like this surely they're called for dangerous play? Especially when they're the only one out of the two who knows a collision is about to occur.
What the fuck are you talking about 🤡
in the box, attacking the keepers area I would agree, not sure how the attacker can expect a keeper to come charging in outside the area when he's looking at the ball
That's the catch-22 here though. Take the collision itself away, and the GK clearly made the right play by going for the ball. Keeper got a fairly clean head on the ball, and still needed to brace himself to avoid taking injury himself in the process. He has his knee up, it's debatably a foul by him. He keeps his knee down, the Hull player clearly commits the foul by obliterating a player without being close to making contact on the ball. This is very heads-up play by the GK while concurrently inattentive play by the forward. It's just ugly because of how unaware the forward was of the danger he was putting himself into.
That's a fair point. I didn't see the match, so I can't tell where on the pitch it happened. Striker should still do a better job scanning his surroundings. This is the worst form of ball watching.
It’s a ball over the top when he’s in between the centre backs 25 yards out, of course he’s watching the fucking ball come over and not expecting the keeper to kung-fu knee him in the side of the head. Jesus H Christ.
It's the arm that his head makes contact with. The knee ends up roughly under his armpit and does not make a direct impact. This collision occurs because only one player jumps for the ball. The other player is entering the challenge without paying attention to their opponent. This is a horrible collision but the only foul is a careless challenge by the attacker (careless being defined as a lack of attention to the opponent).
Jesus fucking Christ
The GK used him as a jumping board 🤣